2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still

[Clyde_Style]

He's become either in service of a foreign government and/or a self aggrandizing pr*ck, who writes stuff because he's butthurt politics isn't going exactly the way he wants it.

He's suspect.

Besides the Hilary email stuff. It's like he's gone down a rabbit hole since then

Well, one, exposing the Hillary emails exposed a lot of corruption going on in the DNC and it was true. I have no problem with that. Comey's last minute shenanigans and reopening the investigation right before the election was more despicable and by a lot.

As for the rest of what you wrote, it sounds like you're more butthurt. I can tell you're pissed and don't like him but you'll have to give me more specifics about this "rabbit hole" stuff.

I think Greenwald was the most courageous journalist we had since he was the only one that put his neck on the line for Snowden.

His evidence is everything he's done since. It's public record.

How about "Likes to hang out and talk with Tucker Carlson regularly" agreeing with 3/4's of what he says?

Greenwald is courageous?

Peace out, I don't have time for that kind of nonsense

[thebuzzardman]

They most certainly do. Taibi went to the birds. It's a shame. Another talent lost to trolling.

This era has been very effective at liquidating the minds of those who were somehow compromised and not playing with a full deck or those whose porous sense of self made them vulnerable to disinfo repackaged as crappy pseudo-anti-capitalist logic.

Nothing pisses me off more than people passing off enemy campaigns as blows against the empire. I'm not even a particularly patriotic person normally, but I became one when I saw the cost to the body politic of bad reasoning pushed by marshmallow brained radicals.

I used to think Taibi was so in love with his own take on left wing populism that he embraced anything that vaguely supported it, to include right wing populism.

I think that's part of it. But I think it's darker than that. Greenwald I'd say falls into a similar category, behavior wise. They'd rather everything burn down than consider they might be slightly off base.

Their assurance when writing early on made them really good. Later, it just reduced them to raving egotists.

I don’t know about Taibi but Greenwald lives in Brazil so burning it down doesn’t affect him at all. In fact it’s usually the people who have the least the vulnerable (white, able bodied men, yes I know Greenwald is LGBT but remember Brazil) that always want to burn things down.

All the more reason Greenwald is reprehensible. He wants US politics to be a certain way, consequences for those of us who live here be damned.

[thebuzzardman]

And?

What was wrong with that? Snowden was right and Greenwald was right to back him. Snowden's a hero.

If you think it is a slam dunk that Snowden is right then I don't think you've really given it much deeper thought than security state surveillance bad, freedom good. It is a lot more nuanced than that and what Snowden did contributed to Putin's efforts at destabilizing our democracy. Look at where Eddie lives now. Gee, what a coincidence. Nah, he's not a hero. I hate the police state implications of our technologies as much as you do, but I'm not falling for this BS that Snowden was everyman fighting the power. He was a MFing spy and a traitor. If I'm going to support a spy at least I'm not going to back the guy who works for the opposition.

Or Snowden was righteous at first (also up for debate) but then got played by Putin after.

I'm not 100% against Greenwald or things he's written in the past, especially. I AM very wary of the axe he has to grind lately and his various motivations for that.

In a non black and white world, Greenwald (and Taibi) are shading ways I'm not comfortable with, in terms of them being honest brokers of the truth.

[thebuzzardman]

Wingo, do a deep dive reading Emptywheel.net. They are progressively liberal as all get out, but are no fans of Greenwald - or should I say "recent Greenwald"

[robillionaire]

I like a lot of the things greenwald has done over the years but it seems like he's lost his mind recently, but the intercept has put out some great articles. here's what they said about him leaving

[HarthorneWingo]

Well, one, exposing the Hillary emails exposed a lot of corruption going on in the DNC and it was true. I have no problem with that. Comey's last minute shenanigans and reopening the investigation right before the election was more despicable and by a lot.

As for the rest of what you wrote, it sounds like you're more butthurt. I can tell you're pissed and don't like him but you'll have to give me more specifics about this "rabbit hole" stuff.

I think Greenwald was the most courageous journalist we had since he was the only one that put his neck on the line for Snowden.

His evidence is everything he's done since. It's public record.

How about "Likes to hang out and talk with Tucker Carlson regularly" agreeing with 3/4's of what he says?

Greenwald is courageous?

Peace out, I don't have time for that kind of nonsense

[Clyde_Style]

What was wrong with that? Snowden was right and Greenwald was right to back him. Snowden's a hero.

If you think it is a slam dunk that Snowden is right then I don't think you've really given it much deeper thought than security state surveillance bad, freedom good. It is a lot more nuanced than that and what Snowden did contributed to Putin's efforts at destabilizing our democracy. Look at where Eddie lives now. Gee, what a coincidence. Nah, he's not a hero. I hate the police state implications of our technologies as much as you do, but I'm not falling for this BS that Snowden was everyman fighting the power. He was a MFing spy and a traitor. If I'm going to support a spy at least I'm not going to back the guy who works for the opposition.

Or Snowden was righteous at first (also up for debate) but then got played by Putin after.

I'm not 100% against Greenwald or things he's written in the past, especially. I AM very wary of the axe he has to grind lately and his various motivations for that.

In a non black and white world, Greenwald (and Taibi) are shading ways I'm not comfortable with, in terms of them being honest brokers of the truth.

That's my beef with them. They took their talent out to the woodshed and came back distorted and untrustworthy. They turned into axe grinders who sometimes push agendas that actually facilitate the enemies of our democracy.

[HarthorneWingo]

I like a lot of the things greenwald has done over the years but it seems like he's lost his mind recently, but the intercept has put out some great articles. here's what they said about him leaving

Spoiler:

I mean, he co-founded the business so for the business then to edit his pieces seems counterintuitive, but whatever. I haven't kept up with his work recently.

[HarthorneWingo]

If you think it is a slam dunk that Snowden is right then I don't think you've really given it much deeper thought than security state surveillance bad, freedom good. It is a lot more nuanced than that and what Snowden did contributed to Putin's efforts at destabilizing our democracy. Look at where Eddie lives now. Gee, what a coincidence. Nah, he's not a hero. I hate the police state implications of our technologies as much as you do, but I'm not falling for this BS that Snowden was everyman fighting the power. He was a MFing spy and a traitor. If I'm going to support a spy at least I'm not going to back the guy who works for the opposition.

Or Snowden was righteous at first (also up for debate) but then got played by Putin after.

I'm not 100% against Greenwald or things he's written in the past, especially. I AM very wary of the axe he has to grind lately and his various motivations for that.

In a non black and white world, Greenwald (and Taibi) are shading ways I'm not comfortable with, in terms of them being honest brokers of the truth.

That's my beef with them. They took their talent out to the woodshed and came back distorted and untrustworthy. They turned into axe grinders who sometimes push agendas that actually facilitate the enemies of our democracy.

Haha, because Hillary lost. That's what your push is all about. Why don't you just admit it.

[Clyde_Style]

Or Snowden was righteous at first (also up for debate) but then got played by Putin after.

I'm not 100% against Greenwald or things he's written in the past, especially. I AM very wary of the axe he has to grind lately and his various motivations for that.

In a non black and white world, Greenwald (and Taibi) are shading ways I'm not comfortable with, in terms of them being honest brokers of the truth.

That's my beef with them. They took their talent out to the woodshed and came back distorted and untrustworthy. They turned into axe grinders who sometimes push agendas that actually facilitate the enemies of our democracy.

Haha, because Hillary lost. That's what your push is all about. Why don't you just admit it.

this is one of the dumbest things I've seen posted in a while Wingo

[Pointgod]

Or Snowden was righteous at first (also up for debate) but then got played by Putin after.

I'm not 100% against Greenwald or things he's written in the past, especially. I AM very wary of the axe he has to grind lately and his various motivations for that.

In a non black and white world, Greenwald (and Taibi) are shading ways I'm not comfortable with, in terms of them being honest brokers of the truth.

That's my beef with them. They took their talent out to the woodshed and came back distorted and untrustworthy. They turned into axe grinders who sometimes push agendas that actually facilitate the enemies of our democracy.

Haha, because Hillary lost. That's what your push is all about. Why don't you just admit it.

So do you think the country would have worse off with Hillary than Trump? Because that’s the argument that Greenwald. Assange and his fellow axe grinders made in 2016. And keep in mind there was zero doubt the type of President Trump would be.

[stuporman]

You know how to trigger a useless centrist liberal? Not be like them.

[thebuzzardman]

You know how to trigger a useless centrist liberal? Not be like them.

No one here is being "a centrist".

You can acknowledge Greenwald's gone off the reservation without being a centrist.

[Clyde_Style]

You know how to trigger a useless centrist liberal? Not be like them.

No one here is being "a centrist".

You can acknowledge Greenwald's gone off the reservation without being a centrist.

Spoiler:

You're useless! (Trigger accomplished)

Yeah, it is about journalistic integrity and being able to trust a writer's account based on the "available" facts at their disposal. Greenwald has shown themselves more interested in settling scores than in finding out the actual truth.

It has nothing to do with what part of the political spectrum we're on. It has to do with whether or not people will condone shoddy journalism as long as the story fits their world view. Blindly endorsing Greenwald is escapism, not realism. Calling some centrist for opposing chitty journalism is what is useless.

[Pointgod]

You know how to trigger a useless centrist liberal? Not be like them.

No one here is being "a centrist".

You can acknowledge Greenwald's gone off the reservation without being a centrist.

It’s interesting to me how a certain segment of the left calls others that agree with them on 80% of policies Centrists just like Trump supporters call everyone who doesn’t support their cult leader Socialists. It’s meant to be an insult devoid of any type of logic or critical thinking.

[thebuzzardman]

You know how to trigger a useless centrist liberal? Not be like them.

No one here is being "a centrist".

You can acknowledge Greenwald's gone off the reservation without being a centrist.

It’s interesting to me how a certain segment of the left calls others that agree with them on 80% of policies Centrists just like Trump supporters call everyone who doesn’t support their cult leader Socialists. It’s meant to be an insult devoid of any type of logic or critical thinking.

I dig Weimar Republic USA. It's entertaining.

[Clyde_Style]

No one here is being "a centrist".

You can acknowledge Greenwald's gone off the reservation without being a centrist.

It’s interesting to me how a certain segment of the left calls others that agree with them on 80% of policies Centrists just like Trump supporters call everyone who doesn’t support their cult leader Socialists. It’s meant to be an insult devoid of any type of logic or critical thinking.

I dig Weimar Republic USA. It's entertaining.

[dakomish23]

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[Clyde_Style]

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Yep, Trump is ready to prod people to violence even before he loses so we should probably expect the worst from him after he does lose

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Da Da Dum(b)

Yeah, MAGA idiots are going to go crazy now and tell us that the fake person and fake intelligence firm is fake news

DERP!