2020 Draft & Free Agency

[Scoot McGroot]

I take the "weak draft" with a whole lot of salt. I think people are saying that because they don't see a superstar in the top 3. that does not mean that the whole draft is substandard.

as I remember, there are two teams that have additional picks low in the first. there are also high seconds. I think one of these could be bought for cash.

I'm not sure if the Stepien rule requires us to have our own first to trade next year's first. I think having anyone's first will do and so I'm not sure trading next year's first for a first this year before the draft is prohibited. in any event, I'd rather use cash.

I wonder what the plans, if any, are for Alize and Sampson? if both are back, I'm not sure what we'd do with a draftee unless the pick is low enough to use a two-way and send him to Fort Wayne.

There could be a great player at nearly any spot, think about some of the 2nd round picks who've become big time players like Jokic, Middleton, and Dre Green. BUT, it gets pretty dicey in the mid 50's to find a real NBA player. I like this big guy Omer Yurtseven he looked good at Georgetown, and may not even be there but if he is I'd take him.

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[stormi]

And I see 76ers holding #21. Would they value Doug more than whoever they can draft at #21?

I think the 76ers really regretted letting TJ McConnell leave last year. They need a good backup PG and he's only $3.5M. TJM for #21 would make sense for both teams.

I am also thinking several teams will try to trade for Aaron Holiday.

Nope. Would love TJ back, but that value is just too rich, especially with this draft with guys like Tre Jones, Grant Riller, Immanuel Quickley, Devon Dotson etc being ranked into the mid 2nd and us holding #34/#36/#49. Rumblings that the Sixers really like Tyrell Terry (who probably won't fall to 21) and Isaiah Joe. I think they'll be using 21 on someone that likes to shoot the ball a little bit more than TJ does.

[Wizop]

Yurtseven looks like Goga.2

My bottom of the draft/UndraftedFA is Butler's Baldwin. I'd gladly give him Naz's two way. I remain hopeful that we can buy a pick in the low first or high second to take a 4.

[Topofthekey]

And I see 76ers holding #21. Would they value Doug more than whoever they can draft at #21?

I think the 76ers really regretted letting TJ McConnell leave last year. They need a good backup PG and he's only $3.5M. TJM for #21 would make sense for both teams.

I am also thinking several teams will try to trade for Aaron Holiday.

Nope. Would love TJ back, but that value is just too rich, especially with this draft with guys like Tre Jones, Grant Riller, Immanuel Quickley, Devon Dotson etc being ranked into the mid 2nd and us holding #34/#36/#49. Rumblings that the Sixers really like Tyrell Terry (who probably won't fall to 21) and Isaiah Joe. I think they'll be using 21 on someone that likes to shoot the ball a little bit more than TJ does.

Someone like Doug McDermott?

[stormi]

I think the 76ers really regretted letting TJ McConnell leave last year. They need a good backup PG and he's only $3.5M. TJM for #21 would make sense for both teams.

I am also thinking several teams will try to trade for Aaron Holiday.

Nope. Would love TJ back, but that value is just too rich, especially with this draft with guys like Tre Jones, Grant Riller, Immanuel Quickley, Devon Dotson etc being ranked into the mid 2nd and us holding #34/#36/#49. Rumblings that the Sixers really like Tyrell Terry (who probably won't fall to 21) and Isaiah Joe. I think they'll be using 21 on someone that likes to shoot the ball a little bit more than TJ does.

Someone like Doug McDermott?

Love McBuckets but we already have Furkan for that role. 21 is really only getting moved to chase after a ballhandler like Paul or Jrue or in a deal with Horford going the other way. Not sure if you guys would be interested in that. Cheap cost controlled rookies are the most valuable thing to Philadelphia right now.

[MUpacersSIC]

Nope. Would love TJ back, but that value is just too rich, especially with this draft with guys like Tre Jones, Grant Riller, Immanuel Quickley, Devon Dotson etc being ranked into the mid 2nd and us holding #34/#36/#49. Rumblings that the Sixers really like Tyrell Terry (who probably won't fall to 21) and Isaiah Joe. I think they'll be using 21 on someone that likes to shoot the ball a little bit more than TJ does.

Someone like Doug McDermott?

Love McBuckets but we already have Furkan for that role. 21 is really only getting moved to chase after a ballhandler like Paul or Jrue or in a deal with Horford going the other way. Not sure if you guys would be interested in that. Cheap cost controlled rookies are the most valuable thing to Philadelphia right now.

Horford completely negates the cheap cost controlled rookie.

[stormi]

Someone like Doug McDermott?

Love McBuckets but we already have Furkan for that role. 21 is really only getting moved to chase after a ballhandler like Paul or Jrue or in a deal with Horford going the other way. Not sure if you guys would be interested in that. Cheap cost controlled rookies are the most valuable thing to Philadelphia right now.

Horford completely negates the cheap cost controlled rookie.

Exactly. The point is to navigate around the albatrosses currently on the books. Thank god for draft picks.

[Scoot McGroot]

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Looks like cap and tax will be same next year as this year. Cap at 109 and tax line at 132.

[Scoot McGroot]

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Manager of scouting for 8 years. Left the team a while back and just being released now.

Bit of a new regime here. Seems like maybe Pritchard is finally choosing his own people?

[Topofthekey]

I can't imagine "TJ Leaf over OG Anunoby and John Collins" looking good on the resume

[Moooose]

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Manager of scouting for 8 years. Left the team a while back and just being released now.

Bit of a new regime here. Seems like maybe Pritchard is finally choosing his own people?

Holy cow. I just read about the Dan Burke news and then this.

[Scoot McGroot]

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Looks like cap and tax will be same next year as this year. Cap at 109 and tax line at 132.

If tax does settle in at 132, Indy would be almost $7m under it with 3 roster spots to fill (Justin Holiday, Jakarr Sampson, and Alize Johnson). I would think we’d be priced out on Justin Holiday if we stay under the tax. If we sign our 2nd round pick, that’d be $900kish, each vet minimum counts as about $1.5m to the tax. Clearing TJ Leaf and his salary wild gain a little over $4m to the tax, but would also add another roster spot to fill.

[Pacers_Freak]

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Manager of scouting for 8 years. Left the team a while back and just being released now.

Bit of a new regime here. Seems like maybe Pritchard is finally choosing his own people?

Holy cow. I just read about the Dan Burke news and then this.

If you want Pritchard and new Nate to cook the dinner you gotta go let them pick the ingredients.

[pacers33granger]

If tax does settle in at 132, Indy would be almost $7m under it with 3 roster spots to fill (Justin Holiday, Jakarr Sampson, and Alize Johnson). I would think we’d be priced out on Justin Holiday if we stay under the tax. If we sign our 2nd round pick, that’d be $900kish, each vet minimum counts as about $1.5m to the tax. Clearing TJ Leaf and his salary wild gain a little over $4m to the tax, but would also add another roster spot to fill.

If we can get rid of Leaf I think we have enough to keep Justin. He's probably one of the many MLE level free agents who will be screwed out of some real money this summer and may take $4-5 mil again knowing he has a role here.

But I'm highly skeptical anyone will do us the favor of taking on Leaf without incentive we shouldn't give. So I think we're stuck with him and will end up with Jakarr back on a minimum and 2 of Alize, Bowen, and whoever we get in the draft. I'm kind of curious what Nate could do with Bowen given the Raptor staff track records with G-League guys.

[Wizop]

Bowen and pick 54 could [should] be 2 ways. 54 could also euro stash

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[basketballwacko2]

I can't imagine "TJ Leaf over OG Anunoby and John Collins" looking good on the resume

Who ever made that call should have been fired a long time ago! Anyone remember me going off like a nuke in a hurricane?

[Scoot McGroot]

Bowen and pick 54 could [should] be 2 ways. 54 could also euro stash

Sent from my phone.

Sure. But, if 54 turns out to be someone that is ready for the 15th spot, you can sign them for cheaper than the vet minimum since they were your draft pick. It’s around a $500k savings. That could be beneficial too.

[Scoot McGroot]

If tax does settle in at 132, Indy would be almost $7m under it with 3 roster spots to fill (Justin Holiday, Jakarr Sampson, and Alize Johnson). I would think we’d be priced out on Justin Holiday if we stay under the tax. If we sign our 2nd round pick, that’d be $900kish, each vet minimum counts as about $1.5m to the tax. Clearing TJ Leaf and his salary wild gain a little over $4m to the tax, but would also add another roster spot to fill.

If we can get rid of Leaf I think we have enough to keep Justin. He's probably one of the many MLE level free agents who will be screwed out of some real money this summer and may take $4-5 mil again knowing he has a role here.

But I'm highly skeptical anyone will do us the favor of taking on Leaf without incentive we shouldn't give. So I think we're stuck with him and will end up with Jakarr back on a minimum and 2 of Alize, Bowen, and whoever we get in the draft. I'm kind of curious what Nate could do with Bowen given the Raptor staff track records with G-League guys.

It really might be cash and a couple seconds, which would suck. Or it might be a stretch waive to save around $2m this year and stretch the cap hit over 3 years.

[pacers33granger]

If tax does settle in at 132, Indy would be almost $7m under it with 3 roster spots to fill (Justin Holiday, Jakarr Sampson, and Alize Johnson). I would think we’d be priced out on Justin Holiday if we stay under the tax. If we sign our 2nd round pick, that’d be $900kish, each vet minimum counts as about $1.5m to the tax. Clearing TJ Leaf and his salary wild gain a little over $4m to the tax, but would also add another roster spot to fill.

If we can get rid of Leaf I think we have enough to keep Justin. He's probably one of the many MLE level free agents who will be screwed out of some real money this summer and may take $4-5 mil again knowing he has a role here.

But I'm highly skeptical anyone will do us the favor of taking on Leaf without incentive we shouldn't give. So I think we're stuck with him and will end up with Jakarr back on a minimum and 2 of Alize, Bowen, and whoever we get in the draft. I'm kind of curious what Nate could do with Bowen given the Raptor staff track records with G-League guys.

It really might be cash and a couple seconds, which would suck. Or it might be a stretch waive to save around $2m this year and stretch the cap hit over 3 years.

If I were a fan of another team I'd balk at taking him on for 2nds and cash. If someone does it for that little I'd imagine it would be at the end of free agency too so I'm not sure it helps us all that much other than saving cash, though Justin and/or a few good vets could be left out and looking for a spot.

Any other year I'd say we could use a 2nd or two to dump him. I just don't see it with how strapped most teams will be and how little space is out there with numerous teams looking to dump money. If he were usable it'd be one thing, but he's probably an insta-cut for whoever would take him on.

I would understand if we stretched him but I absolutely hate the stretch provision. It's a good tool to have, but I'm always in favor of biting the bullet and paying it out. It irks me that we still have Monta's money on the books giving us issues years after he's been gone.

[Wizop]

I'm okay seeing what new coaches can do with Leaf. I think a lot of his problem is confidence. That and square peg in round hole. Bjorkgren talks the right talk for me.

Edit: if we are creative in playing Myles and Domas together, could the same scheme work with Goga and TJ?