The Lebron Thread | 2021 & Offseason

[Mos_Heat]

I doubt we would ruin 2021 for KCP

What do you mean? You won't have cap space for a max FA anyway

[MyUniBroDavis]

I doubt we would ruin 2021 for KCP

What do you mean? You won't have cap space for a max FA anyway

Yeah we will lol

[Mos_Heat]

I doubt we would ruin 2021 for KCP

What do you mean? You won't have cap space for a max FA anyway

Yeah we will lol

Lebron 41 mil
Davis ~ 35 mi
Deng 5 mil

Projected cap space ~ 115mil

You only have 34 millions under the cap, that's without roster spot cap holds, veteran max would be around 35mil, so no you won't

[MyUniBroDavis]

What do you mean? You won't have cap space for a max FA anyway

Yeah we will lol

Lebron 41 mil
Davis ~ 35 mi
Deng 5 mil

Projected cap space ~ 115mil

You only have 34 millions under the cap, that's without roster spot cap holds, veteran max would be around 35mil, so no you won't

Isnt lebron going back to cleveland? And the deng exceptions probably 50-50 at this point if it gets rejected or not

[Mos_Heat]

Yeah we will lol

Lebron 41 mil
Davis ~ 35 mi
Deng 5 mil

Projected cap space ~ 115mil

You only have 34 millions under the cap, that's without roster spot cap holds, veteran max would be around 35mil, so no you won't

Isnt lebron going back to cleveland? And the deng exceptions probably 50-50 at this point if it gets rejected or not

Why would Lebron go back to Cleveland in 2021?

As of now Deng's salary is on the books, but even without it with Lebron and AD on the roster you would be a couple of millions short

[nzahir]

What do you mean? You won't have cap space for a max FA anyway

Yeah we will lol

Lebron 41 mil
Davis ~ 35 mi
Deng 5 mil

Projected cap space ~ 115mil

You only have 34 millions under the cap, that's without roster spot cap holds, veteran max would be around 35mil, so no you won't

Lebron will opt out and I would bet if we could get a max guy, he would take a discount

Deng 5 mil may go our way as well

I could see Bron signing for under 30M if he needed to

[nzahir]

If we are going to lose Rondo and have no decent replacement and lose KCP unless we give him a big deal, I wouldn’t be opposed to cp3 (if it allows us to give KCP a 2 year deal worth 28M)

Not a cap expert though, but could we have
Cp3, KCP, Lebron, AD, Dwight (bae)
AC, THT?, Kuzma, Boogie (min) and the MLE?

Then go for 2022 FA, some really nice guys and even young/prime age guys.

How does that work? The stuff about Lakers landing another big name this offseason through trade is unrealistic. Lakers don't have the salary to send back until their players are signed and many of them should be asking for no-trade clauses if they even get the impression they are just going to be sent to Washington or Oklahoma once the ink is dry. After all they can get the same money in a city they actually want to be in

It works if Avery and Mcgee opt in I believe
If you opt in, how could you ask for a NTC? It isn't a new contract

If they don't like it, opt out

And I am not 100% sure on use of exceptions if we go for CP3. Which is why I asked if it is possible

[zimpy27]

What do you mean? You won't have cap space for a max FA anyway

Yeah we will lol

Lebron 41 mil
Davis ~ 35 mi
Deng 5 mil

Projected cap space ~ 115mil

You only have 34 millions under the cap, that's without roster spot cap holds, veteran max would be around 35mil, so no you won't

Yep, only way Lakers get another star player is by trade. It could be an FA wanting a sign and trade. But it will be a trade nonetheless. Maximum cap space Lakers could have is 23m (salary cap will be 113m in 2021) and that's if they get rid of everybody except Bron and AD. Far better for them to just trade out pieces.

[trickshot]

If we are going to lose Rondo and have no decent replacement and lose KCP unless we give him a big deal, I wouldn’t be opposed to cp3 (if it allows us to give KCP a 2 year deal worth 28M)

Not a cap expert though, but could we have
Cp3, KCP, Lebron, AD, Dwight (bae)
AC, THT?, Kuzma, Boogie (min) and the MLE?

Then go for 2022 FA, some really nice guys and even young/prime age guys.

How does that work? The stuff about Lakers landing another big name this offseason through trade is unrealistic. Lakers don't have the salary to send back until their players are signed and many of them should be asking for no-trade clauses if they even get the impression they are just going to be sent to Washington or Oklahoma once the ink is dry. After all they can get the same money in a city they actually want to be in

It works if Avery and Mcgee opt in I believe
If you opt in, how could you ask for a NTC? It isn't a new contract

If they don't like it, opt out

And I am not 100% sure on use of exceptions if we go for CP3. Which is why I asked if it is possible

you can't trade for a max player with just two guys who barely make 10m. The salaries don't match by about 20-30mil. Even including the likely opt-in FAs (bradley and mcgee) the Lakers barely have enough salary to make that deal work

[nzahir]

How does that work? The stuff about Lakers landing another big name this offseason through trade is unrealistic. Lakers don't have the salary to send back until their players are signed and many of them should be asking for no-trade clauses if they even get the impression they are just going to be sent to Washington or Oklahoma once the ink is dry. After all they can get the same money in a city they actually want to be in

It works if Avery and Mcgee opt in I believe
If you opt in, how could you ask for a NTC? It isn't a new contract

If they don't like it, opt out

And I am not 100% sure on use of exceptions if we go for CP3. Which is why I asked if it is possible

you can't trade for a max player with just two guys who barely make 10m. The salaries don't match by about 20-30mil. Even including the likely opt-in FAs (bradley and mcgee) the Lakers barely have enough salary to make that deal work

Did you bother to even pay attention to my depth chart?

Notice there is no DG,Cook and maybe others (THT and Kuzma)? That is because they are in the deal

[Mos_Heat]

Yeah we will lol

Lebron 41 mil
Davis ~ 35 mi
Deng 5 mil

Projected cap space ~ 115mil

You only have 34 millions under the cap, that's without roster spot cap holds, veteran max would be around 35mil, so no you won't

Lebron will opt out and I would bet if we could get a max guy, he would take a discount

Deng 5 mil may go our way as well

I could see Bron signing for under 30M if he needed to

It's funny that people keep thinking that the best player in the world would take 25% paycut. Like if he was without a ring in LA - maybe, but still doubtful. But now with the ring, with the season he had there's no way in hell he will do that. He might opt out, but just to get more guaranteed money at the max

[nzahir]

Lebron 41 mil
Davis ~ 35 mi
Deng 5 mil

Projected cap space ~ 115mil

You only have 34 millions under the cap, that's without roster spot cap holds, veteran max would be around 35mil, so no you won't

Lebron will opt out and I would bet if we could get a max guy, he would take a discount

Deng 5 mil may go our way as well

I could see Bron signing for under 30M if he needed to

It's funny that people keep thinking that the best player in the world would take 25% paycut. Like if he was without a ring in LA - maybe, but still doubtful. But now with the ring, with the season he had there's no way in hell he will do that. He might opt out, but just to get more guaranteed money at the max

What does an extra 10-20m mean for Lebron?

Seriously

It’s a lot of money, but he is a billionaire when you account for his Nike deal, investments, and money earned

What can he do with 10m more that he can’t already do?

I bet an extra ring or 2 is much more valuable to him

[Dupp]

That’s not the point though. The extra money is not much to him but it’s his worth and he’s not gonna devalue himself. At least that’s what he’s said. He said he’s never taking a discount again.


Not that he hasn’t flip flopped before but I imagine he’s gonna keep getting the max. Will be interesting if the time ever comes that he’s still playing and not worth the max.



Also AD and bron don’t need a third star just solid and well fitting role players.

[thebigbird]

That’s not the point though. The extra money is not much to him but it’s his worth and he’s not gonna devalue himself. At least that’s what he’s said. He said he’s never taking a discount again.


Not that he hasn’t flip flopped before but I imagine he’s gonna keep getting the max. Will be interesting if the time ever comes that he’s still playing and not worth the max.



Also AD and bron don’t need a third star just solid and well fitting role players.

Obviously it’s easy to spend someone else’s money, but I wish he would take a steep discount to help the Lakers’ title chances. A few more rings are worth more than anything the Lakers could pay him. He’ll be a billionaire when all is said and done.

[trickshot]

It works if Avery and Mcgee opt in I believe
If you opt in, how could you ask for a NTC? It isn't a new contract

If they don't like it, opt out

And I am not 100% sure on use of exceptions if we go for CP3. Which is why I asked if it is possible

you can't trade for a max player with just two guys who barely make 10m. The salaries don't match by about 20-30mil. Even including the likely opt-in FAs (bradley and mcgee) the Lakers barely have enough salary to make that deal work

Did you bother to even pay attention to my depth chart?

Notice there is no DG,Cook and maybe others (THT and Kuzma)? That is because they are in the deal

Yes I saw your depth chart. The trade still makes no sense on several levels. Those names will only likely only hold value to a team trying to clear capspace

[Baski]

I mean the fact that ADs run is good enough that duncan fans now hate him show how how good his run was lmao.

Wait is this a thing?

[kayess]

I know this'll be a long shot but:

Have any of you guys come across a wordpress (IIRC) site called "The Greatest Ever Project" or something like that (run by some David Friedman, Freedman I think)? It's basically this guy looking at GOAT contenders across all sports, and he had some very... questionable opinions back then. From time to time I'd check back in to see if he'd start eating crow about LeBron (or Federer, when he made the come back) but for the life of me can't find the website now. It might've migrated to something else, idk.

[Fadeaway_J]

I know this'll be a long shot but:

Have any of you guys come across a wordpress (IIRC) site called "The Greatest Ever Project" or something like that (run by some David Friedman, Freedman I think)? It's basically this guy looking at GOAT contenders across all sports, and he had some very... questionable opinions back then. From time to time I'd check back in to see if he'd start eating crow about LeBron (or Federer, when he made the come back) but for the life of me can't find the website now. It might've migrated to something else, idk.

He had a site called 20 Second Timeout. And I wouldn't hold my breath. He's probably still linking to his previous articles about LeBron quitting in the Finals to this day. I wasn't even a particular fan of LeBron, but the repetitiveness of his writing just started getting on my nerves after a while.

[kayess]

I know this'll be a long shot but:

Have any of you guys come across a wordpress (IIRC) site called "The Greatest Ever Project" or something like that (run by some David Friedman, Freedman I think)? It's basically this guy looking at GOAT contenders across all sports, and he had some very... questionable opinions back then. From time to time I'd check back in to see if he'd start eating crow about LeBron (or Federer, when he made the come back) but for the life of me can't find the website now. It might've migrated to something else, idk.

He had a site called 20 Second Timeout. And I wouldn't hold my breath. He's probably still linking to his previous articles about LeBron quitting in the Finals to this day. I wasn't even a particular fan of LeBron, but the repetitiveness of his writing just started getting on my nerves after a while.

Yes!! 20secondtimeout!! Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/979/

Yes, his writing style was grating. Shame because he had some great points to make at times. But just misguided overall (like picking Kobe > Duncan due to "no skill set weakness", because Tim was a worse free throw shooter)

[Fadeaway_J]

I know this'll be a long shot but:

Have any of you guys come across a wordpress (IIRC) site called "The Greatest Ever Project" or something like that (run by some David Friedman, Freedman I think)? It's basically this guy looking at GOAT contenders across all sports, and he had some very... questionable opinions back then. From time to time I'd check back in to see if he'd start eating crow about LeBron (or Federer, when he made the come back) but for the life of me can't find the website now. It might've migrated to something else, idk.

He had a site called 20 Second Timeout. And I wouldn't hold my breath. He's probably still linking to his previous articles about LeBron quitting in the Finals to this day. I wasn't even a particular fan of LeBron, but the repetitiveness of his writing just started getting on my nerves after a while.

Yes!! 20secondtimeout!! Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/979/

Yes, his writing style was grating. Shame because he had some great points to make at times. But just misguided overall (like picking Kobe > Duncan due to "no skill set weakness", because Tim was a worse free throw shooter)

He tended to hinge a lot of his arguments on very specific "facts" that were unlikely to change.

For example, I happen agree with him that Kobe had "no skill set weaknesses" (except shot selection if you consider that a skill) in the sense that there was no particular area of the game in which he simply wasn't capable of performing at a relatively high level. Of course that in itself doesn't mean he was better than anyone else who had some kind of obvious weakness; overall impact is what matters and there were others who had more of that than Kobe. However, it was highly unlikely that LeBron for instance would develop as many scoring moves as Kobe or develop into an 83% FT shooter, so Friedman could keep going back to that well whenever the comparison came up.

Similarly, if I recall correctly the crux of his Federer argument was that Federer couldn't be the GOAT when Nadal had such a major head-to-head advantage over Federer. Now of course most of that advantage was accumulated on clay where Nadal has been pretty much supernatural and was therefore more likely to meet someone like Federer in a tournament, so the rebuttal might be something like "if you could spread out their matchups across all surfaces Federer's more complete game would give him the edge" (and in fact Federer has a 14-10 advantage on other surfaces). Of course, in reality the greatest proportion of their matchups were always likely to occur on clay, meaning Friedman could continue being "right" in his mind.

I was initially drawn to his detailed game breakdowns, and as a Kobe fan it seemed like he was one of the few writers who actually appreciated and highlighted the completeness of Kobe's game. After a while though, his repetitive (and often biased) arguments started to become more and more irritating. I remember when he wrote a piece bashing PJ Carlesimo for using rookie KD at SG, and then proceeded to link this article at every opportunity as if he'd been the lone voice of reason arguing that KD was really a SF!