2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still

[robillionaire]

No one here is being "a centrist".

You can acknowledge Greenwald's gone off the reservation without being a centrist.

Do you realize that the phrase you used is considered racist by some but is probably insensitive to indigenous regardless?

I wasn't even referring to the Greedwald situation to be clear, I don't really know what it's all about anyway, you read that into it.

That would be spectacularly oversensitive. Way to try to change the topic though.

I’m kinda glad he pointed that out, I don’t know if I use that terminology without thinking about it but I’m going to try to be mindful not to going forward I’m sure there are better ways to express it, off the rails maybe

[thebuzzardman]

Do you realize that the phrase you used is considered racist by some but is probably insensitive to indigenous regardless?

I wasn't even referring to the Greedwald situation to be clear, I don't really know what it's all about anyway, you read that into it.

That would be spectacularly oversensitive. Way to try to change the topic though.

I’m kinda glad he pointed that out, I don’t know if I use that terminology without thinking about it but I’m going to try to be mindful not to going forward I’m sure there are better ways to express it, off the rails maybe

Insulting to railroad workers

[robillionaire]

I'm a firm believer in democracy. America gets the government it deserves each and every time.

Well we don’t even live in a democracy and we have unpopular leadership and representation based on gerrymandering and relics of slavery (the EC) so I don’t think we deserve it

[thebuzzardman]

I'm a firm believer in democracy. America gets the government it deserves each and every time.

Well we don’t even live in a democracy and we have unpopular leadership and representation based on gerrymandering and relics of slavery so I don’t think we deserve it

Absolutely we do.

We have a representative republic, which is a form of democratic government.

The things you mentioned? Gerrymandering? Relics of slavery? All exist because of low citizen interest in politics in general and those issues in specific.

It's sad, but true.

EVERYONE owns a piece of how the country got to where it is today. Some own a big piece, some a really tiny piece.

[thebuzzardman]

If the citizens cared enough about how awful the EC was, they would have changed it already. They didn't, maybe still don't, so it's still here.

[robillionaire]

I'm a firm believer in democracy. America gets the government it deserves each and every time.

Well we don’t even live in a democracy and we have unpopular leadership and representation based on gerrymandering and relics of slavery so I don’t think we deserve it

Absolutely we do.

We have a representative republic, which is a form of democratic government.

The things you mentioned? Gerrymandering? Relics of slavery? All exist because of low citizen interest in politics in general and those issues in specific.

It's sad, but true.

EVERYONE owns a piece of how the country got to where it is today. Some own a big piece, some a really tiny piece.

That’s true but it’s somewhat circular, they exist because we couldn’t win the vote at some point in the past and now we didn’t win elections in part because they exist. I just think it’s important to note that most people did not vote for this, and the majority of people who didn’t are in the role of oppressed in this country and I’m not gonna say they deserve this chit

[thebuzzardman]

Well we don’t even live in a democracy and we have unpopular leadership and representation based on gerrymandering and relics of slavery so I don’t think we deserve it

Absolutely we do.

We have a representative republic, which is a form of democratic government.

The things you mentioned? Gerrymandering? Relics of slavery? All exist because of low citizen interest in politics in general and those issues in specific.

It's sad, but true.

EVERYONE owns a piece of how the country got to where it is today. Some own a big piece, some a really tiny piece.

That’s true but it’s somewhat circular, they exist because we couldn’t win the vote at some point in the past and now we didn’t win elections in part because they exist. I just think it’s important to note that most people did not vote for this, and the majority of people who didn’t are in the role of oppressed in this country and I’m not gonna say they deserve this chit

I agree in part with this, but it's important to acknowledge a LOT - many - of the people in this country have a part in where we are today.

It could be any of us, doing pretty well in our jobs the last 5,10,15,20 years and sort of ignoring that things weren't going so swimmingly for the true working class, be they white, brown or whatever.

It's people across the political spectrum who don't vote. Don't get involved in politics. Couldn't tell you who their elected officials are.

The elitist bent of the "meritocracy" and the finger wagging superiority of much of the liberal media. Which, while I agree with 90% of what they say, certainly put a bunch of people not aligned with that on a cultural, political defensive.

Not valuing education enough to keep it being hollowed out by the conservatives, which leads to the lack of critical thinking that underpins so much of what is going on.

I mean, I could list the obvious things like money in politics, dark money, PACs, Citizens United, Right Wing think tanks etc. To mean, those are the obvious and known villains.

I'm talking about taking collective responsibility, acknowledging it, and then doing something about it.

You know. Stuff Americans used to be into. Kinda, sorta.

My list of people is by no means complete. It would take a book. Like several of them. Just giving the gist of it.

[spree2kawhi]

Absolutely we do.

We have a representative republic, which is a form of democratic government.

The things you mentioned? Gerrymandering? Relics of slavery? All exist because of low citizen interest in politics in general and those issues in specific.

It's sad, but true.

EVERYONE owns a piece of how the country got to where it is today. Some own a big piece, some a really tiny piece.

That’s true but it’s somewhat circular, they exist because we couldn’t win the vote at some point in the past and now we didn’t win elections in part because they exist. I just think it’s important to note that most people did not vote for this, and the majority of people who didn’t are in the role of oppressed in this country and I’m not gonna say they deserve this chit

I agree in part with this, but it's important to acknowledge a LOT - many - of the people in this country have a part in where we are today.

It could be any of us, doing pretty well in our jobs the last 5,10,15,20 years and sort of ignoring that things weren't going so swimmingly for the true working class, be they white, brown or whatever.

It's people across the political spectrum who don't vote. Don't get involved in politics. Couldn't tell you who their elected officials are.

The elitist bent of the "meritocracy" and the finger wagging superiority of much of the liberal media. Which, while I agree with 90% of what they say, certainly put a bunch of people not aligned with that on a cultural, political defensive.

Not valuing education enough to keep it being hollowed out by the conservatives, which leads to the lack of critical thinking that underpins so much of what is going on.

I mean, I could list the obvious things like money in politics, dark money, PACs, Citizens United, Right Wing think tanks etc. To mean, those are the obvious and known villains.

I'm talking about taking collective responsibility, acknowledging it, and then doing something about it.

You know. Stuff Americans used to be into. Kinda, sorta.

My list of people is by no means complete. It would take a book. Like several of them. Just giving the gist of it.

This is central to most problems in the world. Probably all, yet nobody cares.

[Pointgod]

I honestly think that conservatives are tanking this election to set themselves up for a better future. I dont imagine they want trump to be the face anymore and they've put alot of **** in place thats gonna make it really hard for the dems in the future. I think they'll be only too happy to blame biden for trumps economy 4 years from now. Unfortunately we have to concentrate on the now until such time as trump leaves the white house. Hopefully the dems work on immediately removing those minefields upon biden assuming office (provided that he wins).

People give Republicans too much credit. There is no master plan these guys are a dysfunctional group of idiots. Can anyone actually point to any legislation they passed the 2 years they had full control of Congress? The tax giveaway to corporations that led to record deficits, that’s it. It’s not surprising that the Party that runs on dismantling the government is a complete cluster ****.

The Republican Party is only viable because people don’t vote and there’s a rural bias in the Senate. Why else are Republicans trying to hard to keep people from voting? Naw they tied themselves to Trump and he’s taking down the party with them. The question is will the Democratic voters continue to show up and vote in every election from now for the next 2 decades or will they think that because Trump is gone their job is done? Look at California as an example of a former Republican state where the party was fully destroyed and will never recover

[Pointgod]

You know you're in a failed state when not all votes might be counted. This shouldn't even be a topic in the modern world. When the head of state openly promotes that (and provides no logical arguments, doesn't even attempt to), it's even worse than what you could possibly imagine. This is as bad as it gets anywhere you look around the world.

Four years later, the state of the USA is disastrous. This is a country in flames with basically no guaranteed human rights left. None. It really is that bad.

Take a step back, breathe and you realize: Civilization as a whole has been ripped down and eroded.

What you’re describing as the fall of a failed state is entirely the doing of the Republican Party. After the Supreme Court gutted the voting rights act it was Republicans that that enacted voter suppression on steroids. Before Trump, there was no talking of not counting votes, sending thugs to intimidate voters at the polls or that the results have to be called on election night. Republicans are the reason that the US is a failed state. Democrats are the only hope to make any changes. They want everyone to vote, they want people to vote safely, they want election security, they want make it easier to vote, go down the list and one party is directly responsible for driving the country down the path of destruction.

[Pointgod]

If the citizens cared enough about how awful the EC was, they would have changed it already. They didn't, maybe still don't, so it's still here.

Democrats are working on it.

https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/home

[spree2kawhi]

You know you're in a failed state when not all votes might be counted. This shouldn't even be a topic in the modern world. When the head of state openly promotes that (and provides no logical arguments, doesn't even attempt to), it's even worse than what you could possibly imagine. This is as bad as it gets anywhere you look around the world.

Four years later, the state of the USA is disastrous. This is a country in flames with basically no guaranteed human rights left. None. It really is that bad.

Take a step back, breathe and you realize: Civilization as a whole has been ripped down and eroded.

What you’re describing as the fall of a failed state is entirely the doing of the Republican Party. After the Supreme Court gutted the voting rights act it was Republicans that that enacted voter suppression on steroids. Before Trump, there was no talking of not counting votes, sending thugs to intimidate voters at the polls or that the results have to be called on election night. Republicans are the reason that the US is a failed state. Democrats are the only hope to make any changes. They want everyone to vote, they want people to vote safely, they want election security, they want make it easier to vote, go down the list and one party is directly responsible for driving the country down the path of destruction.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree, but nobody stopped them. There are also no consequences awaiting those who spread misinformation. FOX is criminal, but don't face any legal action. NY Post, Bannon etc.

There isn't even a threshold and that's actually the surprise. No regulations, no consequences, anything goes.

[E-Balla]

It's go time! Platinum Plan is poppin'.

Just read the horrors Trump is going to unleash on Black America

Are you trying to be funny? I think you are, but I'm not entirely sure

Jobs, Jobs, Jobs is what Trump said in 2016 and he has the worst economic rating of any president in the past half century.

He can't even create a job for his white base so WTF is he going to do for Black America?

That's some comedy gold you've got there

The real comedy gold is Wayne publicly saying for years that he doesn't believe racism is a problem but now we're supposed to believe his endorsement of Trump? The guy who said he doesn't care about BLM because it doesn't affect him and anyone that cares about it is stupid. Like sure he'll definitely get them on your side if "slavery was a choice" couldn't!

Now he needs to throw some bands at ASAP for the rapper endorsement trifecta lmao.

Also when will politicians (on both sides too because Biden has full 30 minute discussions with Cardi "darkskin women are monkeys and cockroaches" B about racism) realize we don't look to rappers for opinions? Like they're just trying to convince white voters they're not racist with this BS, I don't know any black people that care about their favorite rapper's political endorsements.

[E-Balla]

You know you're in a failed state when not all votes might be counted. This shouldn't even be a topic in the modern world. When the head of state openly promotes that (and provides no logical arguments, doesn't even attempt to), it's even worse than what you could possibly imagine. This is as bad as it gets anywhere you look around the world.

Four years later, the state of the USA is disastrous. This is a country in flames with basically no guaranteed human rights left. None. It really is that bad.

Take a step back, breathe and you realize: Civilization as a whole has been ripped down and eroded.

What you’re describing as the fall of a failed state is entirely the doing of the Republican Party. After the Supreme Court gutted the voting rights act it was Republicans that that enacted voter suppression on steroids. Before Trump, there was no talking of not counting votes, sending thugs to intimidate voters at the polls or that the results have to be called on election night. Republicans are the reason that the US is a failed state. Democrats are the only hope to make any changes. They want everyone to vote, they want people to vote safely, they want election security, they want make it easier to vote, go down the list and one party is directly responsible for driving the country down the path of destruction.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree, but nobody stopped them. There are also no consequences awaiting those who spread misinformation. FOX is criminal, but don't face any legal action. NY Post, Bannon etc.

There isn't even a threshold and that's actually the surprise. No regulations, no consequences, anything goes.

I mean FOX basically argued in court that no one in their right minds would believe Tucker Carlson is seriously news and honestly I think that was a strong argument and defense and that they're right. If you believe Tucker Carlson, whether or not he's on air you're not going to suddenly believe reputable news sources. You'll just have to look harder for your **** ones. It's not criminal that people want to be tricked into believing the most absurd and insane bull.

I mean look at The Intercept and all the absolutely bull stories they ran for years (with this Glen Grenwald stuff happening recently I'm actually shocked they're asking for sources for once but I guess following the Tara Reade fiasco they have to do that now). People will believe whatever nonsense helps them justify their beliefs and the "media" taking advantage of that for ratings is just the way capitalism goes.

[stuporman]

No one here is being "a centrist".

You can acknowledge Greenwald's gone off the reservation without being a centrist.

Do you realize that the phrase you used is considered racist by some but is probably insensitive to indigenous regardless?

I wasn't even referring to the Greedwald situation to be clear, I don't really know what it's all about anyway, you read that into it.

That would be spectacularly oversensitive. Way to try to change the topic though.

I would like to direct you to the second sentence in my reply, I think it may have slipped by your attention because of the hyper focus on the first sentence.

[spree2kawhi]

What you’re describing as the fall of a failed state is entirely the doing of the Republican Party. After the Supreme Court gutted the voting rights act it was Republicans that that enacted voter suppression on steroids. Before Trump, there was no talking of not counting votes, sending thugs to intimidate voters at the polls or that the results have to be called on election night. Republicans are the reason that the US is a failed state. Democrats are the only hope to make any changes. They want everyone to vote, they want people to vote safely, they want election security, they want make it easier to vote, go down the list and one party is directly responsible for driving the country down the path of destruction.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree, but nobody stopped them. There are also no consequences awaiting those who spread misinformation. FOX is criminal, but don't face any legal action. NY Post, Bannon etc.

There isn't even a threshold and that's actually the surprise. No regulations, no consequences, anything goes.

I mean FOX basically argued in court that no one in their right minds would believe Tucker Carlson is seriously news and honestly I think that was a strong argument and defense and that they're right. If you believe Tucker Carlson, whether or not he's on air you're not going to suddenly believe reputable news sources. You'll just have to look harder for your **** ones. It's not criminal that people want to be tricked into believing the most absurd and insane bull.

I mean look at The Intercept and all the absolutely bull stories they ran for years (with this Glen Grenwald stuff happening recently I'm actually shocked they're asking for sources for once but I guess following the Tara Reade fiasco they have to do that now). People will believe whatever nonsense helps them justify their beliefs and the "media" taking advantage of that for ratings is just the way capitalism goes.

I think you're already in too deep. These programmes shouldn't be on the air and elsewhere they aren't.

What I peoples was you all take a step back and view the situation without particular examples in mind. Literally everything's fcked.

Overall, I'd say the EC is the reason why American democracy took a fall. It should be abolished. It doesn't get any better as long as politicians are aiming at 270 instead of majority.

[EricAnderson]

I started following a lot of maga people on social media to hopefully see them meltdown on election night.

They think there is no way he can lose. There in their own echo chamber and can’t fathom that everyone doesn’t think the same way.

A lot of these people worship him and their identity is maga.

If he loses there gonna lose their **** and it’s will be glorious

[stuporman]

Do you realize that the phrase you used is considered racist by some but is probably insensitive to indigenous regardless?

I wasn't even referring to the Greedwald situation to be clear, I don't really know what it's all about anyway, you read that into it.

That would be spectacularly oversensitive. Way to try to change the topic though.

I’m kinda glad he pointed that out, I don’t know if I use that terminology without thinking about it but I’m going to try to be mindful not to going forward I’m sure there are better ways to express it, off the rails maybe

I live in the southwest so maybe that's why I have a higher awareness of the treatment of the indigenous peoples but I don't think it should be too much of a stretch to think anyone who lives here in the Americas and is non-indigenous would be aware of the history.

What's even more disgusting is the discrimination and ill treatment isn't even a thing of the past, it still is going on. So continuing to use a phrase that suggests they don't stay in their place is somehow akin to being 'crazy', or negative can be seen as offensive.

[E-Balla]

I wouldn't necessarily disagree, but nobody stopped them. There are also no consequences awaiting those who spread misinformation. FOX is criminal, but don't face any legal action. NY Post, Bannon etc.

There isn't even a threshold and that's actually the surprise. No regulations, no consequences, anything goes.

I mean FOX basically argued in court that no one in their right minds would believe Tucker Carlson is seriously news and honestly I think that was a strong argument and defense and that they're right. If you believe Tucker Carlson, whether or not he's on air you're not going to suddenly believe reputable news sources. You'll just have to look harder for your **** ones. It's not criminal that people want to be tricked into believing the most absurd and insane bull.

I mean look at The Intercept and all the absolutely bull stories they ran for years (with this Glen Grenwald stuff happening recently I'm actually shocked they're asking for sources for once but I guess following the Tara Reade fiasco they have to do that now). People will believe whatever nonsense helps them justify their beliefs and the "media" taking advantage of that for ratings is just the way capitalism goes.

I think you're already in too deep. These programmes shouldn't be on the air and elsewhere they aren't.

What I peoples was you all take a step back and view the situation without particular examples in mind. Literally everything's fcked.

Overall, I'd say the EC is the reason why American democracy took a fall. It should be abolished. It doesn't get any better as long as politicians are aiming at 270 instead of majority.

Elsewhere they're definitely on the air. Hell the biggest radio shows and podcasts in America are basically just as full of batty **** as Fox News is. If there's a market for the media people will capitalize on it.

[thebuzzardman]

That would be spectacularly oversensitive. Way to try to change the topic though.

I’m kinda glad he pointed that out, I don’t know if I use that terminology without thinking about it but I’m going to try to be mindful not to going forward I’m sure there are better ways to express it, off the rails maybe

I live in the southwest so maybe that's why I have a higher awareness of the treatment of the indigenous peoples but I don't think it should be too much of a stretch to think anyone who lives here in the Americas and is non-indigenous would be aware of the history.

What's even more disgusting is the discrimination and ill treatment isn't even a thing of the past, it still is going on. So continuing to use a phrase that suggests they don't stay in their place is somehow akin to being 'crazy', or negative can be seen as offensive.

Thanks, PC police