Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back)

[jason bourne]

If the Warriors can't find a trade down of the #2 pick they like before the draft, which players are the best in trade before the deadline?

LaMelo - Teams can see his potential as a ball dominant pass first PG. He should feed a lot of players on the run. The Warriors could start him with Steph moving to SG and Klay to SF. I think he'll be the best trade bait to the Knicks.

James Wiseman - He could come off the bench until he gets used to the NBA. Once he gets acclimated, then he could start without changing the SL.

Anthony Edwards - He's like Wiseman coming off the bench. However, he disrupts the team the most if he starts at SG. That could move Klay to SF and Wiggins to the bench. He could be the best out of the three, but it would need showcasing.

Obi Toppin (wild card #2 pick) - He could be another Anthony Davis as that is his role model. Likely, he would be more like Amare Stoudemire or Shane Marion. I think he'd be a good fit as he'll give a lot of rest for Draymond and hew on't have to play C. The Warriors would still need to get a big man to clog the paint, so Obi's best position is PF. A lot of teams could be looking for a stretch 4.

JMO. What do you think? Other players? This could be a scenario if the Warriors think they can get Giannis as Bucks do not seem to have a player they like, i.e. they screwed up not paying Malcolm Brogdon.

[tarantism]

Crowder's shooting cooled down. Heat needed him to shoot in the Finals like he did in the earlier rounds.

And he was a turnstile when defending Lebron.

This. Crowder is not a good defender. He has the "tough guy" reputation but he is too soft to guard bigger forwards and doesn't have the quickness to guard wings. Just not a very good player who has name recognition but won't move the needle. There are plenty of combo forwards who could do more for us than Jai Crowder.

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[DAWill1128]

I actually think I prefer Harkless to Crowder, just think a 6-9 guy with a 7-2 wingspan is more likely to disrupt shots. Harkless would be a little better disrupting passing lanes and shots.

Would you guys trade #2 for Charlottes #2 and #32?

Do you think Charlotte would trade Bridges + #3 in exchange for #2 and our two 2nd rounders?

If you got the #3 would you trade it to the Knicks for Robinson and the #8?

Probably sounds ridiculous but maybe we could parlay our way into getting Halliburton, Bridges, and Robinson off New York’s in LaMelo and Charlottes interest in Wiseman.

We would still have the 2021 picks, MLE, and TPE.

Just spit balling a wild leverage scenario.

[Little Digger]

Among the names that keep popping up is Phoenix Suns guard Kelly Oubre Jr., who the Warriors reportedly have interest in trying to acquire via trade, according to ESPN's Nick Friedell.

"The name that keeps popping up when you talk to people is Kelly Oubre," Friedell said Wednesday on "The Jump" (h/t Bleacher Report's Joseph Zucker) "Can they get him in? What would they have to give up? They have the trade exception for Andre Iguodala as well that expires here in a little bit."

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/nba-rumors-kelly-oubre-interests-warriors-potential-trade-target

[ChuckDurn]

I actually think I prefer Harkless to Crowder, just think a 6-9 guy with a 7-2 wingspan is more likely to disrupt shots. Harkless would be a little better disrupting passing lanes and shots.

Would you guys trade #2 for Charlottes #2 and #32?

Do you think Charlotte would trade Bridges + #3 in exchange for #2 and our two 2nd rounders?

If you got the #3 would you trade it to the Knicks for Robinson and the #8?

Probably sounds ridiculous but maybe we could parlay our way into getting Halliburton, Bridges, and Robinson off New York’s in LaMelo and Charlottes interest in Wiseman.

We would still have the 2021 picks, MLE, and TPE.

Just spit balling a wild leverage scenario.

Lots of good and interesting stuff here.

I think Harkless is under-rated and wouldn't mind seeing him be an MLE target. The biggest question with him is his 3-point shot.

I could see us doing a multiple trade-down approach to accumulate a number of assets. Unfortunately, I don't perceive Bridges to be a good enough asset on his own to trade down one spot. As I've noted on a couple of different threads, he looks the part, but he doesn't show as a consistent, positive player. It's a little bit of Wiggins-itis. So to trade down with Charlotte, I'd project going with a deal like the following:
Warriors gets: #3 + #32 picks in 2020 draft, + the rights to swap picks with Charlotte in 2021 (Charlotte's pick would be top-5 protected, and could be swapped with Golden State's pick, not the Minnesota pick)

Then I would definitely consider trading #3 for Robinson + #8. I'd even try to pressure New York to give up #27 this year or a protected #1 in the future (I'd happily trade away either or both of #48 and #51 to get that). If we did that, I'd try to make a deal with Miami to trade #27 + #32 (+ maybe some cash) for #20. Miami only has 1 pick in this draft, and might prefer getting 2 picks (and some money) to move down a bit.

Obviously this is all predicated on an assumption that Minnesota either takes Edwards at #1, or trades him to somebody else who does. (Or that something else very unexpected occurs.)

So in my "ultimate" scenario - which would almost certainly never happen - I'd have us parlaying the #2 pick into the following: Robinson, #8 (Okoro/Vassell/Haliburton), #20 (Bane/Pokusevski/Josh Green), + 2020 pick swap with Charlotte

Thoughts?

[wco81]

Among the names that keep popping up is Phoenix Suns guard Kelly Oubre Jr., who the Warriors reportedly have interest in trying to acquire via trade, according to ESPN's Nick Friedell.

"The name that keeps popping up when you talk to people is Kelly Oubre," Friedell said Wednesday on "The Jump" (h/t Bleacher Report's Joseph Zucker) "Can they get him in? What would they have to give up? They have the trade exception for Andre Iguodala as well that expires here in a little bit."

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/nba-rumors-kelly-oubre-interests-warriors-potential-trade-target

Thing with Oubre is he is going to be in a contract year. And last year, he had his highest PPG because he was getting more shots.

Will he settle for being the third or fourth option, taking scraps?

Or will he chuck in order to dress up his stats for the big contract?

Warriors likely wouldn't re-sign him unless he took a big step up, like shoot 45/40/85 or something on decent volume as well as being a great defender.

Wiggins has as good athletic tools if not better than KO. Of course he has a huge contract.

[jason bourne]

Among the names that keep popping up is Phoenix Suns guard Kelly Oubre Jr., who the Warriors reportedly have interest in trying to acquire via trade, according to ESPN's Nick Friedell.

"The name that keeps popping up when you talk to people is Kelly Oubre," Friedell said Wednesday on "The Jump" (h/t Bleacher Report's Joseph Zucker) "Can they get him in? What would they have to give up? They have the trade exception for Andre Iguodala as well that expires here in a little bit."

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/nba-rumors-kelly-oubre-interests-warriors-potential-trade-target

I think the Warriors would pull the trigger if they think that Isaac Okoro would still be there with the #10 pick, but that's a longshot now.

Oubre Jr. would have to be that special player to use the big TPE on. He may still have upside, but I don't know if the Warriors would take that chance since they have Wiggins.

Oubre is an expiring contract, so that's a consideration.

It's probably not enough, but what about:
Warriors get: Kelly Oubre Jr. + Ricky Rubio + #10 pick
Suns get: #2 pick LaMelo Ball, Andrew Wiggins, Ky Bowman, 2021 FRP

[jason bourne]

There's a lot of rumors involving the TPE and the draft, but likely it won't happen.

Backup PG has Ky Bowman at #3. Ricky Rubio is rumored for the Warriors as #2 for the TPE, but it's not certain what it would take to get him as he still has two years remaining with PHX. Even then, the Ws have prioritized a big man at C or PF so Draymond doesn't have to play C, can get more rest, and the team upgrades at the starting C. Trade targets would be Myles Turner and Joel Embiid. For the MLE, it could be Marc Gasol or Serge Ibaka.

The Twolves have the #1 pick, so there would be two remaining of the top 3 picks. The TWolves are already set at C and point guard, so most likely they want Anthony Edwards. One of the things Glen Taylor is doing is selling the team now, so they aren't going to take another C or PG, and wait for a subsequent trade. He wants to sell a known team. That means making a clean trade before the actual draft for the team. The other teams may not want to trade or give up much to move up even with the trade rumors. Still, both the TWolves and Ws don't know and have put out that want to trade down. The best deal for a C seems to be Myles Turner and TJ Warren of the Pacers for #2 pick and Andrew Wiggins to make the salaries balance for Indiana and Golden State, but this may already be a dead rumor.

Otherwise, the news is the Ws and TWolves won't be able to get that much in trade in a weak draft. For the Warriors, there is the extra issue of not going into luxury tax as repeat offenders. That limits the use of the TPE even more and the draft becomes even more important. There is news today of a trade with PHX, but it favors PHX in getting the #2 for Kelly Oubre Jr using their TPE and #10. Likely, that's just scuttlebutt.

Lucky for the Warriors, the player they need at C most likely will be available at #2 in James Wiseman, so a trade isn't necessary.

[Scoots1994]

Among the names that keep popping up is Phoenix Suns guard Kelly Oubre Jr., who the Warriors reportedly have interest in trying to acquire via trade, according to ESPN's Nick Friedell.

"The name that keeps popping up when you talk to people is Kelly Oubre," Friedell said Wednesday on "The Jump" (h/t Bleacher Report's Joseph Zucker) "Can they get him in? What would they have to give up? They have the trade exception for Andre Iguodala as well that expires here in a little bit."

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/nba-rumors-kelly-oubre-interests-warriors-potential-trade-target

Thing with Oubre is he is going to be in a contract year. And last year, he had his highest PPG because he was getting more shots.

Will he settle for being the third or fourth option, taking scraps?

Or will he chuck in order to dress up his stats for the big contract?

Warriors likely wouldn't re-sign him unless he took a big step up, like shoot 45/40/85 or something on decent volume as well as being a great defender.

Wiggins has as good athletic tools if not better than KO. Of course he has a huge contract.

I don't know how it would apply to KO but there are partial bird rights in trades and I think they can re-sign him at up to 175% of his current deal if they wanted to. It may be less than that, or maybe more ... not sure. But if they think he's their SF of the future then they trade Wiggins for some stud and get to use KO's contract to go even more over the cap

[NYG]

If Golden State simply can’t pay to use their TPE, would they prefer...

A) taking on a player into the TPE then using a top 20 protected 2021 1st that becomes 2 seconds if not conveyed to dump that player elsewhere and reset the TPE for another year.

B) let it expire and keep the conditional pick.

[tarantism]

There isn't any reason why they couldn't just use a portion of the TPE. There are plenty of under the radar players out there who could make an impact on the floor that they can acquire and not break the bank so much for.

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[Mylie10]

There isn't any reason why they couldn't just use a portion of the TPE. There are plenty of under the radar players out there who could make an impact on the floor that they can acquire and not break the bank so much for.

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I think that’s probably their plan, unless a name comes up that makes sense.

[jason bourne]

I actually think I prefer Harkless to Crowder, just think a 6-9 guy with a 7-2 wingspan is more likely to disrupt shots. Harkless would be a little better disrupting passing lanes and shots.

Would you guys trade #2 for Charlottes #2 and #32?

Do you think Charlotte would trade Bridges + #3 in exchange for #2 and our two 2nd rounders?

If you got the #3 would you trade it to the Knicks for Robinson and the #8?

Probably sounds ridiculous but maybe we could parlay our way into getting Halliburton, Bridges, and Robinson off New York’s in LaMelo and Charlottes interest in Wiseman.

We would still have the 2021 picks, MLE, and TPE.

Just spit balling a wild leverage scenario.

Lots of good and interesting stuff here.

I think Harkless is under-rated and wouldn't mind seeing him be an MLE target. The biggest question with him is his 3-point shot.

I could see us doing a multiple trade-down approach to accumulate a number of assets. Unfortunately, I don't perceive Bridges to be a good enough asset on his own to trade down one spot. As I've noted on a couple of different threads, he looks the part, but he doesn't show as a consistent, positive player. It's a little bit of Wiggins-itis. So to trade down with Charlotte, I'd project going with a deal like the following:
Warriors gets: #3 + #32 picks in 2020 draft, + the rights to swap picks with Charlotte in 2021 (Charlotte's pick would be top-5 protected, and could be swapped with Golden State's pick, not the Minnesota pick)

Then I would definitely consider trading #3 for Robinson + #8. I'd even try to pressure New York to give up #27 this year or a protected #1 in the future (I'd happily trade away either or both of #48 and #51 to get that). If we did that, I'd try to make a deal with Miami to trade #27 + #32 (+ maybe some cash) for #20. Miami only has 1 pick in this draft, and might prefer getting 2 picks (and some money) to move down a bit.

Obviously this is all predicated on an assumption that Minnesota either takes Edwards at #1, or trades him to somebody else who does. (Or that something else very unexpected occurs.)

So in my "ultimate" scenario - which would almost certainly never happen - I'd have us parlaying the #2 pick into the following: Robinson, #8 (Okoro/Vassell/Haliburton), #20 (Bane/Pokusevski/Josh Green), + 2020 pick swap with Charlotte

Thoughts?

Maybe you're right about Bridges, but I was going to point out he's only 21 and starts at SF for the Hornets. I got a conflict checking b-ball ref. He's improved his scoring, but his percentages have gone down. Yet, he was on the level with Jerami Grant and PJ Washington last season. What's weird is birthday. Will he be 22 or 23?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bridgmi02.html

That's a lot to ask for moving down one. They could just make the same offer to the TWolves. They could settle for LaMelo Ball to trade to the Knicks or Anthony Edwards. I think the TWolves have to be considering AntMan with #1 because of what happened to Beasley (His stolen firearm possession and mj charges were dropped. I'm not sure what happened, but it sounds like he's got trespassing problems, so he may want out.). Also, owner Glen Taylor wants to sell the team, so he doesn't want uncertainty, i.e. make a trade and a pick or just pick.

[jason bourne]

There isn't any reason why they couldn't just use a portion of the TPE. There are plenty of under the radar players out there who could make an impact on the floor that they can acquire and not break the bank so much for.

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I think that’s probably their plan, unless a name comes up that makes sense.

They're prolly holding the TPE out in case they need it for trading #2. It could be used after that.

It's too bad the season was cut short because other teams don't have enough to go on for Wiggins. If he improved like say Will Barton's level, then he may be wanted in trade or is a keeper. I mean Wiggins has improved on the Warriors, but not that much. He's still a mystery to us. I mean it could be what you see is what you get, but he could still go up a couple of notches.

[Little Digger]

De’Aaron Fox sold his house in Folsom

Where to?

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

My question is: Does the current CBA allow teams to use the TPE to package for draft picks? It’s customary to sign a player first, then they’d be eligible to be traded after like 90 days or something like that.

If that’s the case, we probably can’t use it for trade leverage to lure in a quality starter or even all star player in draft night.

[Scoots1994]

There isn't any reason why they couldn't just use a portion of the TPE. There are plenty of under the radar players out there who could make an impact on the floor that they can acquire and not break the bank so much for.

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I think that’s probably their plan, unless a name comes up that makes sense.

Yes, and the best chance for a new name coming up is the NBPA not agreeing to cap smoothing and a lower end team dumping salary.

[cdubbz]

We’ve got to get Robert Covington from the Rockets. Got to hope they want to save $$$. 48th pick, Damion Lee for Covington & Rivers.

Pipe dream. BUT with Westbrook’s and Harden on the team they just need “other guys” to fill the other positions. Lee and 48th pick. Hell even Throw in both 2nd rounders or Smailagic. Save Rockets $$

Curry/Rivers/Bowman
Klay/Poole
Wiggins/Covington
Draymond/Paschall/Smailagic
Wiseman/Quese/Looney

Still lacking the stretch big man looking at it. Size as well as veteran bigs lacking too - Green & Looney the only big vets.

[jason bourne]

We heard about Ben Simmons to the Warriors, but now I'm on board with the Tom Harerstroh deal. I'm not sure what the effect on the cap is as the other Warriors players weren't mentioned. Horford is 34 (will turn 35 in June 2021), but did better in 2020 than Wiggins. Ben is a year younger than Wiggins and would be a better Shaun Livingston.

Warriors get: Ben Simmons + Al Horford
Sixers get: 2020 #2 pick + Andrew Wiggins + fillers. No word on what players will be included or if any other picks will be exchanged.

The latter means is it's not even close to fruition, but would you do it if it's not outrageous? It means the Warriors would have to win a championship with this team:
PG - Steph, Ky Bowman, draft pick or FA with MLE
SG - Klay, DLee, Mulder
SF - Ben, Toscano-Anderson, Paschall (may need to use exception)
PF - Dray, Paschall, Toscano-Anderson
C - Al, Chriss, draft pick (Smiley is going G-League)

I would include Jordan Poole and Kevon. There has to be a trade made for the TPE for an expiring contract. Both players are way over the TPE. Ben fits nicely at point forward and while Al Horford doesn't clog the paint, he can play C. The question is if he has enough gas in his tank to fulfill his contract?

ETA: If Ws could get Dwight Howard, Serge Ibaka, or Marc Gasol, then it's better for the cap but may not be as productive as Horford but these guys can clog the paint. Without taking Horford's bad contract, I doubt we can get Simmons. I think Horford is hungry still for a championship, but he didn't get it done with the Celtics. Can Horford help get us another ship with Ben Simmons???!!!???!!!

[Chupchup]

Heck I'm thinking the Warriors will be the ones looking to cut salary.

The warriors are 16 mil over the lux tax threshold already. Meaning at least a 32 mil lux tax bill.
#2 pick gets around 7 mil a year! ... that means another 14 mil to the tax bill.
There's no way the warriors are going to add the full TPE 17 mil ... that would be another 34 mil to the tax bill.

This is with potentially a 72 to 50 game season with potentially no fans in chase center (ie their money maker).

If the warriors trade down to #8 pick, they could get a future 1st maybe. #8 pick gets around 4 mil a year. 3 mil less in contract per year and 6 mill less in lux tax.

Anyway I think the Warriors will trade down just to reduce their tax bill slightly. I don't see them using the full TPE.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/cap/

2020-21 Luxury Tax Totals
Denotes the Warriors current standing in terms of the luxury tax threshold. Teams that spend over the threshold pay fines (estimated below).
TYPE TOTALS
2020 NBA Luxury Tax Threshold $132,627,000
Total Taxable Salaries $148,884,768
Luxury Tax Space $-16,257,768
Est. Luxury Tax Bill $32,837,749