2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still

[omerome]

I think that really had more to do with the Democrat's continually believing in bipartisanship. It was probably my biggest criticism of Obama, even if he meant well. They wanted to still "reach across the aisle" and pass something both parties can agree to. We still see it today.

I hope now, after the damage that has been done, the Democrats finally stop being so "nice" and just get stuff done. The GOP made it clear that they don't care - at all. They lost any sense of credibility like Schumer said when the GOP confirmed Amy Coney Barrett to the SCOTUS.

So my question to you is do you really think they believe in bipartisanship? I personally don't believe a group of the most powerful people in the country would be that stupid to not notice something I noticed at the age of 14 when I first started paying attention to politics. I don't think I'm that smart.

They're not going to stop being so "nice" because what you call being "nice" is actually their earnest beliefs. They truly believe giving Republicans a say in things is the right way to govern and they truly don't care about winning because winning doesn't personally improve their lives at all.

Honestly, you probably were smarter than many of the politicians when you were at the age of 14. That's why I am glad many of the "career establishment" Democrats are getting voted out for people who actually plan on doing something for the American people. I'm glad the trend started by getting rid of people like Joe Crowley and hopefully continues by getting rid of people like Feinstein in the future.

You aren't going to get things done when you have people in your own party who still hold on to old values. Or values in which does not reflect what the majority wants - especially if they hold high influence like being a chair(wo)man of a committee.

This is why it's important to vote - not just in the presidential election, but in the mid-terms. You decide who represents you. Don't like what that particular congress(wo)man is doing, send them home by voting them out. This high turnout is an example that people are fed up with what's going on and they want things done. I am optimistic that if people keep this up, the Democratic party will start to reflect more of what the people want. Or those people will lose their jobs.

[Clyde_Style]

This is why people think centrist liberals are implicitly contributing just like right wing explicit bigotry to the problem and not really interested in addressing the systematic injustices and discrimination that permeates society because it's too much of an inconvenience to them to actually give a fuch about people's oppression and suffering.

When it comes to something as simple of being aware of how language can create a hostile environment for marginalized people and just choosing different words to communicate certain things some people rather attack those who bring awareness to it as the ones who are the problem and criticize them for doing so.

I look forward to your 'why I left the left' coming out video telling everyone how horrible it was for you to not be able to freely perpetuate the systematic abuses because someone pushes back on it. Don't forget to mention how it's destroying the country, society and traditional values but dammit how dare they censor muh freeze peach!

Whatever, mr lastwordman. You don't know jack about me or my politics and your sorry attempt at guessing to press your point is a fail.

I didn't attack you personally or call you names in how I brought up the phrase you used. I didn't try to condemn you because of it either, I just pointed out how it could be viewed that way by some.

You're reaction to it inspired my reaction to that but I'll try to examine my own conditioning and bias to make sure I don't project onto others things that aren't there. My apologies.

We all throw down in here so there is little room left to pretend any one of us is neutral. You've been baiting about useless centrist liberals for the past 24 hours. I don't even really care that much if you do. If I feel the need to say something, I say it. And I did.

I poke you and others too. So let's drop the facade of neutrality and just be honest with each other. You know what you were doing. Don't be disingenuous about your needling.

As far as your take on Buzz saying going off the rez, you're entitled to comment on its possible offense to native american sensibilities, but trying to extrapolate your take-down of vernacular terminologies as being a prime example of all that is wrong with liberals and the Democrats or whatever is just smushing together disparate ideas into a bad conclusion about Buzz or their character. Seriously, that's just lame. Say your thing, go for it, but a little less of the righteous pomp would be cool too.

[Fat Kat]

I started following a lot of maga people on social media to hopefully see them meltdown on election night.

They think there is no way he can lose. There in their own echo chamber and can’t fathom that everyone doesn’t think the same way.

A lot of these people worship him and their identity is maga.

If he loses there gonna lose their **** and it’s will be glorious

I will refrain from gloating to people in person just because it could be dangerous, but I'm fine with watching them melt down online. They've been posting Hindenburg photos and gloating about Trump winning by a landslide for so long that I have lost all empathy for them and the pain they will feel when their pathetic fantasy world collapses around them.

Sorry to interrupt

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1431616&start=1040

Trump is bringing pride back to a country where we've lost pride with a president who has pandered to everyone

As far as your "wounded little white boys" comment. Trump and his supporters ars simply not letting liberals paint the white guys are all evil narrative and liberals hate it.

These soft liberals love to bully people and label them homophobic racist or whatever whenever something even slightly off color is said even if it's in a joking manner

Now that trump and his supporters are telling them to F off and that their dumb labels liberals put on them doesn't effect them liberals don't know what to do anymore.

[omerome]

I started following a lot of maga people on social media to hopefully see them meltdown on election night.

They think there is no way he can lose. There in their own echo chamber and can’t fathom that everyone doesn’t think the same way.

A lot of these people worship him and their identity is maga.

If he loses there gonna lose their **** and it’s will be glorious

I will refrain from gloating to people in person just because it could be dangerous, but I'm fine with watching them melt down online. They've been posting Hindenburg photos and gloating about Trump winning by a landslide for so long that I have lost all empathy for them and the pain they will feel when their pathetic fantasy world collapses around them.

Sorry to interrupt

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1431616&start=1040

Trump is bringing pride back to a country where we've lost pride with a president who has pandered to everyone

As far as your "wounded little white boys" comment. Trump and his supporters ars simply not letting liberals paint the white guys are all evil narrative and liberals hate it.

These soft liberals love to bully people and label them homophobic racist or whatever whenever something even slightly off color is said even if it's in a joking manner

Now that trump and his supporters are telling them to F off and that their dumb labels liberals put on them doesn't effect them liberals don't know what to do anymore.

Got em.

Pulling the receipts. I love it.

[Pointgod]

I honestly think that conservatives are tanking this election to set themselves up for a better future. I dont imagine they want trump to be the face anymore and they've put alot of **** in place thats gonna make it really hard for the dems in the future. I think they'll be only too happy to blame biden for trumps economy 4 years from now. Unfortunately we have to concentrate on the now until such time as trump leaves the white house. Hopefully the dems work on immediately removing those minefields upon biden assuming office (provided that he wins).

I've actually considered this idea but have come to think it's not true. There are several large reasons why.

First, while some think that Biden is old and will be a caretaker, that discounts one of his best political attributes. He is a team player and he is the captain of the team. Remember when we were young and a bunch of us would play baseball? Usually the two best players would be on opposite sides, then each would select one of us in turn until the tems were all chosen. Definitely, Biden is chosing a great team. This team may accomplish a lot more than we have generally thought, and that could change the complexion of Washington (both in terms of ideology and literally color).

Second, Biden has a long term view of politics. He will make moves to strengthen the Democrats' hold on government long into the future, by supporting local redistricting to reduce gerymanders, supporting strong young candidates, and helping to remove the conservative political bias from textbooks, etc.

Third, many of the conservatives have been Trump sycophants and reporters I'm hoping a lot of us remember who they are and continue to hold a grudge.

There will likely be new safeguards agains the worst of Trump's abuses of government process.

The progressive wing of the Democtratic party is very likely to become idologically more a part of government policies and this could tend to strengthen not just the party but the country. If a Biden administration is successful, it is unlikely that people will turn towards the conservatives (and their failed government over the past four years) to undo the economic prosperity and other dividends of a good presidency.

Also, don't discount how true, principled conservatives have become marginalized in the Republican party compared to the far right wackos who make up so much of Trump's base. I'm not sure that the Republican party will survive as one party, or whether it will become two smaller parties going forward.

A lot can happen in 4 years, and I don't believe principled conservatives want to lose and take the risk they'll be marginalized out of politics.

Biden's administration can tangibly impact citizen's lives and show they are better off than with the GOP which completely turned its back on Americans. The partisan divide can weaken further by actually doing what he says he'll do, especially the capital investments in infrastructural change that can create new jobs. I think the economic recovery from covid will be different in that Trump's inaction wiped out lots of small businesses and many people will be living hand to mouth and starting over. Biden and his team can help many of those people survive and recover. They'll vote for you if they know why and how you helped them and this time I think the cause and effect between policies and their benefits will be more transparent than ever.

Trump is such an epic disaster, even a moderately competent administration will look good by comparison, but that's not enough. They really have to connect with and convince lifelong Republicans that they will do better with Democrats. It is obvious to us why that would be true, but it is up to them to make that case through both articulated reasons and deeds.

The beautiful thing is that Congress has already passed a lot of these bills that people want. All that needs to happen is to get control of the Senate to pass these legislations and Biden will sign off on it. I still don’t get how people don’t understand that Congress passes the laws, why is anyone acting like Biden would get in the way of any laws passed by Congress?

Coronavirus relief - check
Police reform - check
Election protection - check
Money out of politics - check
How many black people who claim Democrats won’t do anything for them have looked up the jobs and justice act ? - https://cbc.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=2228
LGBTQ rights - check

This has already been done and passed but progress can’t be made because of Mitch McConnell, Senate Republicans and Trump. It’s obvious to anyone where the roadblocks lie.

[Clyde_Style]

That would be true if you counted all the illegals but guess what? They can't vote! Texas will continue to be a Red state just like it has been 11 out of the last 12 elections.

I will welcome a party that can share different viewpoints without resorting to racism, cheating, bigotry, stealing, lying, and just being overall awful people. The Republican party in its current form is not it.

You know you just described the Democratic Party right? The party of "you ain't black unless you vote for me" and "poor kids are just as bright as white kids", party of authoritarianism, party of violent looters burning down cities, suppressing free speech, suppressing facts to push a bias. You are not standing with people of moral character. You are standing with the godless, lawless, science denying, hysteria driven, authoritarian, globalist elite war machine.

Didn't know you were such a poet

Could you please grow out your beard, don a potato sack and put that magificent screed on a sandwich board and march it in front of an abortion clinic, please?

You're going to do great. You're the next MAGA Star

[Oscirus]

I honestly think that conservatives are tanking this election to set themselves up for a better future. I dont imagine they want trump to be the face anymore and they've put alot of **** in place thats gonna make it really hard for the dems in the future. I think they'll be only too happy to blame biden for trumps economy 4 years from now. Unfortunately we have to concentrate on the now until such time as trump leaves the white house. Hopefully the dems work on immediately removing those minefields upon biden assuming office (provided that he wins).

People give Republicans too much credit. There is no master plan these guys are a dysfunctional group of idiots. Can anyone actually point to any legislation they passed the 2 years they had full control of Congress? The tax giveaway to corporations that led to record deficits, that’s it. It’s not surprising that the Party that runs on dismantling the government is a complete cluster ****.

The Republican Party is only viable because people don’t vote and there’s a rural bias in the Senate. Why else are Republicans trying to hard to keep people from voting? Naw they tied themselves to Trump and he’s taking down the party with them. The question is will the Democratic voters continue to show up and vote in every election from now for the next 2 decades or will they think that because Trump is gone their job is done? Look at California as an example of a former Republican state where the party was fully destroyed and will never recover

Problem is that procedures are being put into place to discourage a certain part of the populace from voting. Every election wont be like this one where we have an absolute disaster at the top and a huge majority wanting him out. Most elections will only take a nudge to get the other sides candidate out of the white house.

Combine that with their insane edge in the court system and its easy to see why the future has a bleak feeling to it. I also dont see the gerrymandering thats been happening being rectified anytime soon.

[Polk377]

I will welcome a party that can share different viewpoints without resorting to racism, cheating, bigotry, stealing, lying, and just being overall awful people. The Republican party in its current form is not it.

You know you just described the Democratic Party right? The party of "you ain't black unless you vote for me" and "poor kids are just as bright as white kids", party of authoritarianism, party of violent looters burning down cities, suppressing free speech, suppressing facts to push a bias. You are not standing with people of moral character. You are standing with the godless, lawless, science denying, hysteria driven, authoritarian, globalist elite war machine.

Didn't know you were such a poet

Could you please grow out your beard, don a potato sack and put that magificent screed on a sandwich board and march it in front of an abortion clinic, please?

You're going to do great. You're the next MAGA Star

Not the beard type. Prefer the Yankee way. Potato sack might allow for a nice breeze on a cool autumn night though. Thanks for the suggestion.

[Butch718]

Another case of Orange Man is no good so I am going to blindly say he is completely the opposite. Feeling nice and comfy in your own bubble there buddy?

all you guys is do is project.

Also, that's rich. Since you're the type of supporter he described when he said, "I could stand in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."

I have to project to get my voice over all this nonsense in here. I knew this Knicks fanbase was a bunch of doom and gloomers every year and now I know why

[Oscirus]

Somebody tell these rappers that taking publicity photos with trump isnt going to make him support your proposal any harder. He'll just tell you what you want to hear, take the photo and forget it on nov. 4

[Clyde_Style]

I think that really had more to do with the Democrat's continually believing in bipartisanship. It was probably my biggest criticism of Obama, even if he meant well. They wanted to still "reach across the aisle" and pass something both parties can agree to. We still see it today.

I hope now, after the damage that has been done, the Democrats finally stop being so "nice" and just get stuff done. The GOP made it clear that they don't care - at all. They lost any sense of credibility like Schumer said when the GOP confirmed Amy Coney Barrett to the SCOTUS.

So my question to you is do you really think they believe in bipartisanship? I personally don't believe a group of the most powerful people in the country would be that stupid to not notice something I noticed at the age of 14 when I first started paying attention to politics. I don't think I'm that smart.

They're not going to stop being so "nice" because what you call being "nice" is actually their earnest beliefs. They truly believe giving Republicans a say in things is the right way to govern and they truly don't care about winning because winning doesn't personally improve their lives at all.

I think you'll get your answer if the Dems do get their supermajority in place by inauguration day. Then they'll either enact meaningful, life changing legislation or not. There has been very few windows for that to happen, so if that window opens up soon you'll have your answer about whether the Dem leadership is with the people or completely with the fat cats.

[Clyde_Style]

I started following a lot of maga people on social media to hopefully see them meltdown on election night.

They think there is no way he can lose. There in their own echo chamber and can’t fathom that everyone doesn’t think the same way.

A lot of these people worship him and their identity is maga.

If he loses there gonna lose their **** and it’s will be glorious

I will refrain from gloating to people in person just because it could be dangerous, but I'm fine with watching them melt down online. They've been posting Hindenburg photos and gloating about Trump winning by a landslide for so long that I have lost all empathy for them and the pain they will feel when their pathetic fantasy world collapses around them.

Sorry to interrupt

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1431616&start=1040

Trump is bringing pride back to a country where we've lost pride with a president who has pandered to everyone

As far as your "wounded little white boys" comment. Trump and his supporters ars simply not letting liberals paint the white guys are all evil narrative and liberals hate it.

These soft liberals love to bully people and label them homophobic racist or whatever whenever something even slightly off color is said even if it's in a joking manner

Now that trump and his supporters are telling them to F off and that their dumb labels liberals put on them doesn't effect them liberals don't know what to do anymore.

That's why I asked them a couple of weeks ago "Weren't you a Trump supporter before?" and I didn't get an answer

But they clearly are not a Trump supporter now and that's definitely an improvement, so I didn't push it even if I was quite aware of their past comments

I'm not going to beat people over the head for once supporting Trump. I'd rather they support positive things and hope they don't backslide into that ooze of partisan corruption again

I will say though that now that you mention it I did nail it back in 2016 about what made Trump and MAGA supporters tick. That does stand the test of time

[Clyde_Style]

I've actually considered this idea but have come to think it's not true. There are several large reasons why.

First, while some think that Biden is old and will be a caretaker, that discounts one of his best political attributes. He is a team player and he is the captain of the team. Remember when we were young and a bunch of us would play baseball? Usually the two best players would be on opposite sides, then each would select one of us in turn until the tems were all chosen. Definitely, Biden is chosing a great team. This team may accomplish a lot more than we have generally thought, and that could change the complexion of Washington (both in terms of ideology and literally color).

Second, Biden has a long term view of politics. He will make moves to strengthen the Democrats' hold on government long into the future, by supporting local redistricting to reduce gerymanders, supporting strong young candidates, and helping to remove the conservative political bias from textbooks, etc.

Third, many of the conservatives have been Trump sycophants and reporters I'm hoping a lot of us remember who they are and continue to hold a grudge.

There will likely be new safeguards agains the worst of Trump's abuses of government process.

The progressive wing of the Democtratic party is very likely to become idologically more a part of government policies and this could tend to strengthen not just the party but the country. If a Biden administration is successful, it is unlikely that people will turn towards the conservatives (and their failed government over the past four years) to undo the economic prosperity and other dividends of a good presidency.

Also, don't discount how true, principled conservatives have become marginalized in the Republican party compared to the far right wackos who make up so much of Trump's base. I'm not sure that the Republican party will survive as one party, or whether it will become two smaller parties going forward.

A lot can happen in 4 years, and I don't believe principled conservatives want to lose and take the risk they'll be marginalized out of politics.

Biden's administration can tangibly impact citizen's lives and show they are better off than with the GOP which completely turned its back on Americans. The partisan divide can weaken further by actually doing what he says he'll do, especially the capital investments in infrastructural change that can create new jobs. I think the economic recovery from covid will be different in that Trump's inaction wiped out lots of small businesses and many people will be living hand to mouth and starting over. Biden and his team can help many of those people survive and recover. They'll vote for you if they know why and how you helped them and this time I think the cause and effect between policies and their benefits will be more transparent than ever.

Trump is such an epic disaster, even a moderately competent administration will look good by comparison, but that's not enough. They really have to connect with and convince lifelong Republicans that they will do better with Democrats. It is obvious to us why that would be true, but it is up to them to make that case through both articulated reasons and deeds.

The beautiful thing is that Congress has already passed a lot of these bills that people want. All that needs to happen is to get control of the Senate to pass these legislations and Biden will sign off on it. I still don’t get how people don’t understand that Congress passes the laws, why is anyone acting like Biden would get in the way of any laws passed by Congress?

Coronavirus relief - check
Police reform - check
Election protection - check
Money out of politics - check
How many black people who claim Democrats won’t do anything for them have looked up the jobs and justice act ? - https://cbc.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=2228
LGBTQ rights - check

This has already been done and passed but progress can’t be made because of Mitch McConnell, Senate Republicans and Trump. It’s obvious to anyone where the roadblocks lie.

There is the definite potential for this to be one of the most impactful first 100 days of a presidency in the history of this country. Pelosi has been holding the fort. I respect TF out of her and DGAF about all of the lame attacks on her. She worked hard for the blue waves of 2018 and 2020, recaptured the House, was a fierce resistance fighter and has set the table for Biden really well and will have tons of legislation ready to enact.

[Clyde_Style]

You know you just described the Democratic Party right? The party of "you ain't black unless you vote for me" and "poor kids are just as bright as white kids", party of authoritarianism, party of violent looters burning down cities, suppressing free speech, suppressing facts to push a bias. You are not standing with people of moral character. You are standing with the godless, lawless, science denying, hysteria driven, authoritarian, globalist elite war machine.

Didn't know you were such a poet

Could you please grow out your beard, don a potato sack and put that magificent screed on a sandwich board and march it in front of an abortion clinic, please?

You're going to do great. You're the next MAGA Star

Not the beard type. Prefer the Yankee way. Potato sack might allow for a nice breeze on a cool autumn night though. Thanks for the suggestion.

You're welcome

Good luck with your new career as a MAGA celebrity

[Clyde_Style]

INTERESTING FACT: Last week, Fox covered the NY Post's fake Hunter Biden story more than twice as much as surge in US coronavirus cases.

YESTERDAY: Hunter Biden dossier exposed as the product of a fake person working for a non-existent intelligence firm

YESTERDAY: 91,530 New Covid Cases, 1,047 New Covid Deaths

You gotta have your priorities, yo!

[Clyde_Style]

Don’t Sweat the Polls

Why the 2020 election won’t be a 2016 sequel.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/five-reasons-to-believe-2020-wont-be-a-2016-sequel/616896

I'd like to dedicate this post to Robillionaire

[Clyde_Style]

This is an absolutely fantastic must-see graphical demonstration of how covid is transmitted.

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-10-28/a-room-a-bar-and-a-class-how-the-coronavirus-is-spread-through-the-air.html

[Little Digger]

I stand with Pop

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[E-Balla]

I think that really had more to do with the Democrat's continually believing in bipartisanship. It was probably my biggest criticism of Obama, even if he meant well. They wanted to still "reach across the aisle" and pass something both parties can agree to. We still see it today.

I hope now, after the damage that has been done, the Democrats finally stop being so "nice" and just get stuff done. The GOP made it clear that they don't care - at all. They lost any sense of credibility like Schumer said when the GOP confirmed Amy Coney Barrett to the SCOTUS.

So my question to you is do you really think they believe in bipartisanship? I personally don't believe a group of the most powerful people in the country would be that stupid to not notice something I noticed at the age of 14 when I first started paying attention to politics. I don't think I'm that smart.

They're not going to stop being so "nice" because what you call being "nice" is actually their earnest beliefs. They truly believe giving Republicans a say in things is the right way to govern and they truly don't care about winning because winning doesn't personally improve their lives at all.

Honestly, you probably were smarter than many of the politicians when you were at the age of 14. That's why I am glad many of the "career establishment" Democrats are getting voted out for people who actually plan on doing something for the American people. I'm glad the trend started by getting rid of people like Joe Crowley and hopefully continues by getting rid of people like Feinstein in the future.

You aren't going to get things done when you have people in your own party who still hold on to old values. Or values in which does not reflect what the majority wants - especially if they hold high influence like being a chair(wo)man of a committee.

This is why it's important to vote - not just in the presidential election, but in the mid-terms. You decide who represents you. Don't like what that particular congress(wo)man is doing, send them home by voting them out. This high turnout is an example that people are fed up with what's going on and they want things done. I am optimistic that if people keep this up, the Democratic party will start to reflect more of what the people want. Or those people will lose their jobs.

Ehh... You say that but even with this high turnout we'll still end up with a ton of incumbents. The high turnout is the flip the WH well before any other reason unfortunately. Idk I've never had any hope in the electoral politics of America.

[E-Balla]

I think that really had more to do with the Democrat's continually believing in bipartisanship. It was probably my biggest criticism of Obama, even if he meant well. They wanted to still "reach across the aisle" and pass something both parties can agree to. We still see it today.

I hope now, after the damage that has been done, the Democrats finally stop being so "nice" and just get stuff done. The GOP made it clear that they don't care - at all. They lost any sense of credibility like Schumer said when the GOP confirmed Amy Coney Barrett to the SCOTUS.

So my question to you is do you really think they believe in bipartisanship? I personally don't believe a group of the most powerful people in the country would be that stupid to not notice something I noticed at the age of 14 when I first started paying attention to politics. I don't think I'm that smart.

They're not going to stop being so "nice" because what you call being "nice" is actually their earnest beliefs. They truly believe giving Republicans a say in things is the right way to govern and they truly don't care about winning because winning doesn't personally improve their lives at all.

I think you'll get your answer if the Dems do get their supermajority in place by inauguration day. Then they'll either enact meaningful, life changing legislation or not. There has been very few windows for that to happen, so if that window opens up soon you'll have your answer about whether the Dem leadership is with the people or completely with the fat cats.

They don't need a supermajority. Flat out if they don't remove the filibuster and stack the courts (they won't) they'll accomplish nothing.