2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

[ChuckDurn]

Haliburton looks long.

Livingston with range

I heard the rap on him is that he can't finish nor will he take it to the hoop.

Need more strength and need to be more physical when needed.

Livingston could finish.

A couple of other knocks against him (Haliburton) - he really couldn't get by his defender with the dribble (not enough quickness), and while he's "long", he's not "Livingston-long". I think the Livingston comparison isn't the best (though I don't have a good suggestion) - Haliburton has range which Livingston doesn't have, though it's a pretty slow shot, but he doesn't have the size that Livingston has, or ability to post up for points that Shaun did. And the size thing is important, as Haliburton probably won't be able to defend any front court players well (no bulk, and not massive length), and may even struggle with some 2's.

My conclusion is that Haliburton is a high-floor, low-ceiling player...... I put him in the 8-10 draft range, not at the top level of the draft.

[Mylie10]

Haliburton looks long.

Livingston with range

I heard the rap on him is that he can't finish nor will he take it to the hoop.

Need more strength and need to be more physical when needed.

Livingston could finish.

Probably a bit overblown. I wouldn’t let that hold me back from taking him, even if I believed that were true.

[Mylie10]

Livingston with range

I heard the rap on him is that he can't finish nor will he take it to the hoop.

Need more strength and need to be more physical when needed.

Livingston could finish.

A couple of other knocks against him (Haliburton) - he really couldn't get by his defender with the dribble (not enough quickness), and while he's "long", he's not "Livingston-long". I think the Livingston comparison isn't the best (though I don't have a good suggestion) - Haliburton has range which Livingston doesn't have, though it's a pretty slow shot, but he doesn't have the size that Livingston has, or ability to post up for points that Shaun did. And the size thing is important, as Haliburton probably won't be able to defend any front court players well (no bulk, and not massive length), and may even struggle with some 2's.

My conclusion is that Haliburton is a high-floor, low-ceiling player...... I put him in the 8-10 draft range, not at the top level of the draft.

No one is saying draft him at two buddy. No one.

[ChuckDurn]

I heard the rap on him is that he can't finish nor will he take it to the hoop.

Need more strength and need to be more physical when needed.

Livingston could finish.

A couple of other knocks against him (Haliburton) - he really couldn't get by his defender with the dribble (not enough quickness), and while he's "long", he's not "Livingston-long". I think the Livingston comparison isn't the best (though I don't have a good suggestion) - Haliburton has range which Livingston doesn't have, though it's a pretty slow shot, but he doesn't have the size that Livingston has, or ability to post up for points that Shaun did. And the size thing is important, as Haliburton probably won't be able to defend any front court players well (no bulk, and not massive length), and may even struggle with some 2's.

My conclusion is that Haliburton is a high-floor, low-ceiling player...... I put him in the 8-10 draft range, not at the top level of the draft.

No one is saying draft him at two buddy. No one.

Where did I say they did? But I’ve seen a bunch of folks (myself included at one point) put him in the 4-6 range, and I think that’s too high for him. I put all of Wiseman, Edwards, Ball, Vassell, Okoro, Okongwu above him, off the top of my head.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

I was trying to play some ideas with the Boston board involving Marcus Smart (But, he's a keeper for them), and they seem to want to get rid of Gordon Hayward + 2020 #14 for Wiggins + 2020 #2. I'd make them throw in their 2020 #26 pick or 2020 #30th pick, and we got ourselves a deal.

Gordon has PO (1 years @ $34 mil). He hasn't been the same with the injuries he sustained a couple years ago and this past season. But, I'd pull that trade off in a sec. And can draft Patrick Williams with #14 and either #26 or #30 pick for a backup PG or Stretch 4.

[Onus]

I was trying to play some ideas with the Boston board involving Marcus Smart (But, he's a keeper for them), and they seem to want to get rid of Gordon Hayward + 2020 #14 for Wiggins + 2020 #2. I'd make them throw in their 2020 #26 pick or 2020 #30th pick, and we got ourselves a deal.

Gordon has PO (1 years @ $34 mil). He hasn't been the same with the injuries he sustained a couple years ago and this past season. But, I'd pull that trade off in a sec. And can draft Patrick Williams with #14 and either #26 or #30 pick for a backup PG or Stretch 4.

Why? Seems like Hayward isn’t going to be able to play a whole season. So essentially you’re just dumping Wiggins and 2 for 14 and trash.

[Little Digger]

Very hot rumor rumbling around in my head

San Antonio will move up and draft Okoro

[Chupchup]

I was trying to play some ideas with the Boston board involving Marcus Smart (But, he's a keeper for them), and they seem to want to get rid of Gordon Hayward + 2020 #14 for Wiggins + 2020 #2. I'd make them throw in their 2020 #26 pick or 2020 #30th pick, and we got ourselves a deal.

Gordon has PO (1 years @ $34 mil). He hasn't been the same with the injuries he sustained a couple years ago and this past season. But, I'd pull that trade off in a sec. And can draft Patrick Williams with #14 and either #26 or #30 pick for a backup PG or Stretch 4.

Don't think the salaries will work.

Plus I'm pretty sure the Warriors don't want to increase salary. They already said it would take a special case to use the iggy tpe. If anything you could use the tpe for smart and swap the #2 with celtics picks w/o switching wiggins and gordon.

[Chupchup]

Anthony Edwards Pro Day Video.

Watch on YouTube

I watched the full workout and he started off shooting super flat and was short on a lot of shots but then got into a groove and starting hitting his catch and shoot 3's. I came away the same way I went in. If he goes 1st I hope the Warriors take Wiseman and if Wiseman goes 1st I hope they take Edwards. If Ball goes 1st I hope they take Wiseman. He has great footwork, his mechanics look good and he had the confidence to put on a pro day on national television with AD and LeBron in the building. Other Klutch guys were there too including Draymond, curious to see if he has anything to say about Edwards pro day.

Draymond was actually seen applauding after one of Edwards' dunk.

Maxie looks good too. I don't know if he's as explosive as Donovan Mitchell but seems to have good size and if he's a true 6-3 without shoes, he could be effective.

There was one claim that Edwards was only 6-3 without shoes and like 6-10 wingspan but this one said he's 6-5 and 7-0 WS.

Yeah I caught that commentary too. I thought he was 6'5" with a 6'9" wingspan.

With that being said, he seemed to score very effortlessly. I would pick him over Wiseman. So if Minny takes Ball, I would take Edwards.

If not trade down Knicks or Detroit to see if we can get Devin Vassel.

I may do Luke Kennard and #7 and maybe future swap pick for #2.

[Little Digger]

I watched the full workout and he started off shooting super flat and was short on a lot of shots but then got into a groove and starting hitting his catch and shoot 3's. I came away the same way I went in. If he goes 1st I hope the Warriors take Wiseman and if Wiseman goes 1st I hope they take Edwards. If Ball goes 1st I hope they take Wiseman. He has great footwork, his mechanics look good and he had the confidence to put on a pro day on national television with AD and LeBron in the building. Other Klutch guys were there too including Draymond, curious to see if he has anything to say about Edwards pro day.

Draymond was actually seen applauding after one of Edwards' dunk.

Maxie looks good too. I don't know if he's as explosive as Donovan Mitchell but seems to have good size and if he's a true 6-3 without shoes, he could be effective.

There was one claim that Edwards was only 6-3 without shoes and like 6-10 wingspan but this one said he's 6-5 and 7-0 WS.

Yeah I caught that commentary too. I thought he was 6'5" with a 6'9" wingspan.

With that being said, he seemed to score very effortlessly..

but there was no one guarding him

[jason bourne]

Livingston with range

I heard the rap on him is that he can't finish nor will he take it to the hoop.

Need more strength and need to be more physical when needed.

Livingston could finish.

A couple of other knocks against him (Haliburton) - he really couldn't get by his defender with the dribble (not enough quickness), and while he's "long", he's not "Livingston-long". I think the Livingston comparison isn't the best (though I don't have a good suggestion) - Haliburton has range which Livingston doesn't have, though it's a pretty slow shot, but he doesn't have the size that Livingston has, or ability to post up for points that Shaun did. And the size thing is important, as Haliburton probably won't be able to defend any front court players well (no bulk, and not massive length), and may even struggle with some 2's.

My conclusion is that Haliburton is a high-floor, low-ceiling player...... I put him in the 8-10 draft range, not at the top level of the draft.

The Warriors trading for Oubre and the #10 (probably where Haliburton will be) for the #2 makes it a bad trade.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

I was trying to play some ideas with the Boston board involving Marcus Smart (But, he's a keeper for them), and they seem to want to get rid of Gordon Hayward + 2020 #14 for Wiggins + 2020 #2. I'd make them throw in their 2020 #26 pick or 2020 #30th pick, and we got ourselves a deal.

Gordon has PO (1 years @ $34 mil). He hasn't been the same with the injuries he sustained a couple years ago and this past season. But, I'd pull that trade off in a sec. And can draft Patrick Williams with #14 and either #26 or #30 pick for a backup PG or Stretch 4.

Why? Seems like Hayward isn’t going to be able to play a whole season. So essentially you’re just dumping Wiggins and 2 for 14 and trash.

Gordon's owed $34 mil if he exercises his Play Option for just one-more season. We can use him as a 1-year rental (We can let him walk since we know he's in for his next big contract) and we can draft either Patrick Williams or Saddiq Bey with the 14th pick -- Which both should still be available. Once Hayward walks, we will have Patrick Williams or Saddiq Bey to continue to develop into the 2021 - 2022 season. Celtics board are making it known that Marcus Smart is not available, and this draft is a crapshoot, anyways. Do we play it safe by drafting Wiseman or try to get creative and maximize our potential to win by getting pieces that fit?

I thought the whole idea is to shed enough dead weight in salary to avoid the luxury tax and preserve cap space (We won't have much, but having Wiggins is going to prevent us to use exceptions and what have you).

What did you have in mind then?

[jason bourne]

I was trying to play some ideas with the Boston board involving Marcus Smart (But, he's a keeper for them), and they seem to want to get rid of Gordon Hayward + 2020 #14 for Wiggins + 2020 #2. I'd make them throw in their 2020 #26 pick or 2020 #30th pick, and we got ourselves a deal.

Gordon has PO (1 years @ $34 mil). He hasn't been the same with the injuries he sustained a couple years ago and this past season. But, I'd pull that trade off in a sec. And can draft Patrick Williams with #14 and either #26 or #30 pick for a backup PG or Stretch 4.

smh. You don't get a chance to draft an All-Star or Superstar too often in the NBA (albeit there is risk of drafting a Bust).

It's such a trashy deal based on thinking you're getting one of these in the mid and lower rounds. That usually doesn't happen. Hayward is old now and injury prone. His one All-Star year is over and he's living on his memories. He wants a multi-year contract or he opts out, so what's the point of trading a young, athletic potential deep threat and somewhat of a defensive player (albeit with a huge contract) for old feces? The only players worth dealing the #2 on the Celtics are Smart and Brown. They are likely 2021 All-Stars.

[ChuckDurn]

I heard the rap on him is that he can't finish nor will he take it to the hoop.

Need more strength and need to be more physical when needed.

Livingston could finish.

A couple of other knocks against him (Haliburton) - he really couldn't get by his defender with the dribble (not enough quickness), and while he's "long", he's not "Livingston-long". I think the Livingston comparison isn't the best (though I don't have a good suggestion) - Haliburton has range which Livingston doesn't have, though it's a pretty slow shot, but he doesn't have the size that Livingston has, or ability to post up for points that Shaun did. And the size thing is important, as Haliburton probably won't be able to defend any front court players well (no bulk, and not massive length), and may even struggle with some 2's.

My conclusion is that Haliburton is a high-floor, low-ceiling player...... I put him in the 8-10 draft range, not at the top level of the draft.

The Warriors trading for Oubre and the #10 (probably where Haliburton will be) for the #2 makes it a bad trade.

I agree - with likelihood that Oubre will cost something like $60-70M in actual cost (due to the luxury tax penalty) and only be a 1-year rental, I wouldn’t give Phoenix much back for him - and certainly not #2 for #10.

[DevinVassell]

I was trying to play some ideas with the Boston board involving Marcus Smart (But, he's a keeper for them), and they seem to want to get rid of Gordon Hayward + 2020 #14 for Wiggins + 2020 #2. I'd make them throw in their 2020 #26 pick or 2020 #30th pick, and we got ourselves a deal.

Gordon has PO (1 years @ $34 mil). He hasn't been the same with the injuries he sustained a couple years ago and this past season. But, I'd pull that trade off in a sec. And can draft Patrick Williams with #14 and either #26 or #30 pick for a backup PG or Stretch 4.

smh. You don't get a chance to draft an All-Star or Superstar too often in the NBA (albeit there is risk of drafting a Bust).

It's such a trashy deal based on thinking you're getting one of these in the mid and lower rounds. That usually doesn't happen. Hayward is old now and injury prone. His one All-Star year is over and he's living on his memories. He wants a multi-year contract or he opts out, so what's the point of trading a young, athletic potential deep threat and somewhat of a defensive player (albeit with a huge contract) for old feces? The only players worth dealing the #2 on the Celtics are Smart and Brown. They are likely 2021 All-Stars.

Agree, don't want Hayward under any circumstances. He is never on the court... and honestly, his eyes are a little to close together.

[jason bourne]

Weird comment by potential pick at #2 Anthony Edwards. Just think if he interviews like it ???!!!???!!! He'll fall and Obi will rise .

Read on Twitter

https://fadeawayworld.net/2020/10/30/anthony-edwards-makes-baffling-comments-on-coronavirus-pandemic/

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

I was trying to play some ideas with the Boston board involving Marcus Smart (But, he's a keeper for them), and they seem to want to get rid of Gordon Hayward + 2020 #14 for Wiggins + 2020 #2. I'd make them throw in their 2020 #26 pick or 2020 #30th pick, and we got ourselves a deal.

Gordon has PO (1 years @ $34 mil). He hasn't been the same with the injuries he sustained a couple years ago and this past season. But, I'd pull that trade off in a sec. And can draft Patrick Williams with #14 and either #26 or #30 pick for a backup PG or Stretch 4.

smh. You don't get a chance to draft an All-Star or Superstar too often in the NBA (albeit there is risk of drafting a Bust).

It's such a trashy deal based on thinking you're getting one of these in the mid and lower rounds. That usually doesn't happen. Hayward is old now and injury prone. His one All-Star year is over and he's living on his memories. He wants a multi-year contract or he opts out, so what's the point of trading a young, athletic potential deep threat and somewhat of a defensive player (albeit with a huge contract) for old feces? The only players worth dealing the #2 on the Celtics are Smart and Brown. They are likely 2021 All-Stars.

It's another contract year for Hayward, so he'll most likely play his socks off this upcoming season. I don't care if he walks next season because, like you said, he's becoming too injury-prone and getting older. And it'll be a good feeling to shed some dead weight aka Wiggins 3 year at nearly $95 mil left on his contract. I thought the idea was to give us cap flexibility the next 2-3 years to remain competitive and avoid the luxury tax? Did everyone have a change of heart?

Trust me and you already know this: There aren't many takers for Wiggins and our #2 pick. Otherwise, we wouldn't have this debate. But, suppose we can wait leading up to the draft.

[jason bourne]

I was trying to play some ideas with the Boston board involving Marcus Smart (But, he's a keeper for them), and they seem to want to get rid of Gordon Hayward + 2020 #14 for Wiggins + 2020 #2. I'd make them throw in their 2020 #26 pick or 2020 #30th pick, and we got ourselves a deal.

Gordon has PO (1 years @ $34 mil). He hasn't been the same with the injuries he sustained a couple years ago and this past season. But, I'd pull that trade off in a sec. And can draft Patrick Williams with #14 and either #26 or #30 pick for a backup PG or Stretch 4.

smh. You don't get a chance to draft an All-Star or Superstar too often in the NBA (albeit there is risk of drafting a Bust).

It's such a trashy deal based on thinking you're getting one of these in the mid and lower rounds. That usually doesn't happen. Hayward is old now and injury prone. His one All-Star year is over and he's living on his memories. He wants a multi-year contract or he opts out, so what's the point of trading a young, athletic potential deep threat and somewhat of a defensive player (albeit with a huge contract) for old feces? The only players worth dealing the #2 on the Celtics are Smart and Brown. They are likely 2021 All-Stars.

It's another contract year for Hayward, so he'll most likely play his socks off this upcoming season. I don't care if he walks next season because, like you said, he's becoming too injury-prone and getting older. It's just a good feeling to shed some dead weight aka Wiggins 3 year at nearly $95 mil left on his contract. I thought the idea was to give us cap flexibility the next 2-3 years to remain competitive and avoid the luxury tax? Did everyone have a change of heart?

Trust me: There aren't many takers for Wiggins and our #2 pick. Otherwise, we wouldn't have this debate. But, suppose we can wait leading up to the draft.

Huh? The discussion was to use the TPE + #2 for an impact player with the Celtics like Marcus Smart for the TPE + #2. If not, then get someone like Rudy Gay or James Johnson for just the TPE so their expiring contracts can be used as trade before the deadline. These players would also help fill backup roles. Hayward doesn't even fit the largest TPE. Certainly, Andrew Wiggins is worth more than way overpaying for a one-year rental who may not even be able to complete the season as backup.

ETA: The Celtics waiting for his decision. If he opts out, then it's fine with them. I don't think they're planning on bringing him back. If he opts in, then he's trade fodder as a large expiring. Hayward knows that, but he's thinking he can get a multi-year deal elsewhere, so may opt out. That would be a hurrible decision for him.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

smh. You don't get a chance to draft an All-Star or Superstar too often in the NBA (albeit there is risk of drafting a Bust).

It's such a trashy deal based on thinking you're getting one of these in the mid and lower rounds. That usually doesn't happen. Hayward is old now and injury prone. His one All-Star year is over and he's living on his memories. He wants a multi-year contract or he opts out, so what's the point of trading a young, athletic potential deep threat and somewhat of a defensive player (albeit with a huge contract) for old feces? The only players worth dealing the #2 on the Celtics are Smart and Brown. They are likely 2021 All-Stars.

It's another contract year for Hayward, so he'll most likely play his socks off this upcoming season. I don't care if he walks next season because, like you said, he's becoming too injury-prone and getting older. It's just a good feeling to shed some dead weight aka Wiggins 3 year at nearly $95 mil left on his contract. I thought the idea was to give us cap flexibility the next 2-3 years to remain competitive and avoid the luxury tax? Did everyone have a change of heart?

Trust me: There aren't many takers for Wiggins and our #2 pick. Otherwise, we wouldn't have this debate. But, suppose we can wait leading up to the draft.

Huh? The discussion was to use the TPE + #2 for an impact player with the Celtics like Marcus Smart for the TPE + #2. If not, then get someone like Rudy Gay or James Johnson for just the TPE so their expiring contracts can be used as trade before the deadline. These players would also help fill backup roles. Hayward doesn't even fit the largest TPE. Certainly, Andrew Wiggins is worth more than way overpaying for a one-year rental who may not even be able to complete the season as backup.

There are conflicting reports that says that our TPE had already expired on 10/24. Haven’t heard or read about an official league deadline extension to use the TPE. Then again, free agency doesn’t start until sometime after the draft is over.

[Onus]

Windhorst apparently said wiseman won’t interview with Minnesota ...