Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread

[OrlChamps2030]

Like I mentioned before in a different thread: There are a lot of flags about his shooting because he only shoots pull-ups. He doesn't have a great rate of shooting different shots. Many of the draft heads consider Nesmith to be a better shooter because while he doesn't have the same throughput as Terry, he is comfortable with every kind of non-layup shot. That isn't to mention the defensive side of the ball.

That isn't to say I don't want Terry or that he isn't going to be a legendary shooter, but it is troubling to a lot of the draft guys and for good reason. Second round seems totally impossible. If he is in the 20s, the Magic need to make a move.

I just don't understand the hype around Terry. Everyone should be wary when someone rises up mock drafts in the off-season based on things like IQ and physical development. Remember when Bamba was talked about as potentially going first overall because of how well he did in interviews and how intelligent he was? The tape on Terry hasn't gotten better. The similarities to Trae or Steph are illusory. He doesn't have the game to support that, not even close. I'm not saying he can't develop those other skills, but you can dream on any prospect about what skills they could develop. The fact is, they just aren't there at this point in time. I think his agent has been working hard this summer.

Of course he doesnt have Steph or Trae potential. If he did he wouldnt be in the running at 15. For the record Trae didnt have that potential either according to alot people. I remember alot of doubters on his game. Expectations need to be tamperd a bit. Its possible we get a all star at 15 but its not likley. Terry looks to be a guy who can be a solid contributer but at the same time has some high upside too. I wouldnt be shocked if a team takes a gamble on him before we pick

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True. Expectations seem to be all over the place for our pick.

I agree with you. I think at a minimum Terry’s skill set gives him a nice floor of a solid contributor (Shooting ability, off the ball movement, BBIQ,secondary playmaker) with a small nonzero chance of becoming a McCollum type.

I find his potential fit next to Fultz interesting. With Fultz playing the 2 on defense while being the primary ball handler on offense.

[zaymon]

Second round targers:
1.Riller
2.Tillie
3. T. Bey
4. Reed

I for one am quite curious what Orlando does with #45. At one level this pick could replace Frazier's roster slot. Said player would almost certainly be sent to Lakeland to develop. Orlando will need PG depth next year, so perhaps Tre Jones, Malachi Flynn, or Payton Pritchard make sense (these are all in the 40s range on mocks).

Second round is pure magic I think most of the teams will feel they got a first round talent. There are so many guard prospects one of them will fall for sure. Thing is i like Dj and i love MCW. I dont know if i like any of guards outside Riller more than Dj. If we draft for Lakeland it almost have to be wing/forward.

[Xatticus]

Like I mentioned before in a different thread: There are a lot of flags about his shooting because he only shoots pull-ups. He doesn't have a great rate of shooting different shots. Many of the draft heads consider Nesmith to be a better shooter because while he doesn't have the same throughput as Terry, he is comfortable with every kind of non-layup shot. That isn't to mention the defensive side of the ball.

That isn't to say I don't want Terry or that he isn't going to be a legendary shooter, but it is troubling to a lot of the draft guys and for good reason. Second round seems totally impossible. If he is in the 20s, the Magic need to make a move.

I just don't understand the hype around Terry. Everyone should be wary when someone rises up mock drafts in the off-season based on things like IQ and physical development. Remember when Bamba was talked about as potentially going first overall because of how well he did in interviews and how intelligent he was? The tape on Terry hasn't gotten better. The similarities to Trae or Steph are illusory. He doesn't have the game to support that, not even close. I'm not saying he can't develop those other skills, but you can dream on any prospect about what skills they could develop. The fact is, they just aren't there at this point in time. I think his agent has been working hard this summer.

Of course he doesnt have Steph or Trae potential. If he did he wouldnt be in the running at 15. For the record Trae didnt have that potential either according to alot people. I remember alot of doubters on his game. Expectations need to be tamperd a bit. Its possible we get a all star at 15 but its not likley. Terry looks to be a guy who can be a solid contributer but at the same time has some high upside too. I wouldnt be shocked if a team takes a gamble on him before we pick

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Let me put it another way... I don't see a guy with enough offensive potential to make up for his defensive shortcomings. It seems dead certain that he will be a liability at the defensive end. His offensive game isn't dynamic enough to make him a high-volume scorer and he doesn't have the skills to run an offense. His function seems way too situational for me to take him with our first-round pick. I see a guy with the upside of a rotational player. I don't see someone that projects to start. If you see point-guard skills, then I can understand the disagreement. I see a guy that is built like a point guard, but that will have to share the floor with an actual point guard. It's also worth nothing that Stanford did not have a good offense and Terry wasn't their best offensive player.

[Knightro]

Let me put it another way... I don't see a guy with enough offensive potential to make up for his defensive shortcomings. It seems dead certain that he will be a liability at the defensive end. His offensive game isn't dynamic enough to make him a high-volume scorer and he doesn't have the skills to run an offense. His function seems way too situational for me to take him with our first-round pick. I see a guy with the upside of a rotational player. I don't see someone that projects to start. If you see point-guard skills, then I can understand the disagreement. I see a guy that is built like a point guard, but that will have to share the floor with an actual point guard. It's also worth nothing that Stanford did not have a good offense and Terry wasn't their best offensive player.

This is a fair take.

I actually don't think Terry fits all that well on every team for a lot of the reasons you mentioned.

The case even could be made that Terry has more of a shooting guard game (although I think he has good passing ability) in a point guard body which doesn't appeal to everyone.

But I could actually envision a Terry/Fultz pairing working well together. Terry defends PGs, but plays off the ball offensively with Fultz remaining the primary ball handler. Plus anything the Magic can do to get Fultz out of 1/5 ball screens seems like it might be beneficial to the Magic as a whole.

Basically you're looking at what the Fultz/Augustin pairing *should* have been minus DJ's insistence on pounding the air out of the ball.

[jezzerinho]

Let me put it another way... I don't see a guy with enough offensive potential to make up for his defensive shortcomings. It seems dead certain that he will be a liability at the defensive end. His offensive game isn't dynamic enough to make him a high-volume scorer and he doesn't have the skills to run an offense. His function seems way too situational for me to take him with our first-round pick. I see a guy with the upside of a rotational player. I don't see someone that projects to start. If you see point-guard skills, then I can understand the disagreement. I see a guy that is built like a point guard, but that will have to share the floor with an actual point guard. It's also worth nothing that Stanford did not have a good offense and Terry wasn't their best offensive player.

This is a fair take.

I actually don't think Terry fits all that well on every team for a lot of the reasons you mentioned.

The case even could be made that Terry has more of a shooting guard game (although I think he has good passing ability) in a point guard body which doesn't appeal to everyone.

But I could actually envision a Terry/Fultz pairing working well together. Terry defends PGs, but plays off the ball offensively with Fultz remaining the primary ball handler. Plus anything the Magic can do to get Fultz out of 1/5 ball screens seems like it might be beneficial to the Magic as a whole.

Basically you're looking at what the Fultz/Augustin pairing *should* have been minus DJ's insistence on pounding the air out of the ball.

This is my thinking too with Terry

[IllMagic04]

Let me put it another way... I don't see a guy with enough offensive potential to make up for his defensive shortcomings. It seems dead certain that he will be a liability at the defensive end. His offensive game isn't dynamic enough to make him a high-volume scorer and he doesn't have the skills to run an offense. His function seems way too situational for me to take him with our first-round pick. I see a guy with the upside of a rotational player. I don't see someone that projects to start. If you see point-guard skills, then I can understand the disagreement. I see a guy that is built like a point guard, but that will have to share the floor with an actual point guard. It's also worth nothing that Stanford did not have a good offense and Terry wasn't their best offensive player.

This is a fair take.

I actually don't think Terry fits all that well on every team for a lot of the reasons you mentioned.

The case even could be made that Terry has more of a shooting guard game (although I think he has good passing ability) in a point guard body which doesn't appeal to everyone.

But I could actually envision a Terry/Fultz pairing working well together. Terry defends PGs, but plays off the ball offensively with Fultz remaining the primary ball handler. Plus anything the Magic can do to get Fultz out of 1/5 ball screens seems like it might be beneficial to the Magic as a whole.

Basically you're looking at what the Fultz/Augustin pairing *should* have been minus DJ's insistence on pounding the air out of the ball.

Exactly. Fit matters. We could let DJ go and sign back MCW for more defensive versitility too. Hes def not a perfect prospect and I dont expect one at 15. Everyone is asumming hes gonna be trash on defense. Im saying put him on our team with our coach and culture and lets see where he is 2 or 3 years from now defensivly. Theres some toughness there that makes me think he wont be as awfull as yall think he will be on defense if we draft him. Seth Curry has been the popular comp for him and I think thats about right. Thats solid value at 15. Ultimitally we just gotta see how it plays out. Ive zero'd in on him cause I think he will be a good fit and I think he might be on the board. Alot of the players people are talking about are not going to be there at 15. And I dont love anyone enough to move up for them

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[Knightro]

Exactly. Fit matters. We could let DJ go and sign back MCW for more defensive versitility too. Hes def not a perfect prospect and I dont expect one at 15. Everyone is asumming hes gonna be trash on defense. Im saying put him on our team with our coach and culture and lets see where he is 2 or 3 years from now defensivly. Theres some toughness there that makes me think he wont be as awfull as yall think he will be on defense if we draft him. Seth Curry has been the popular comp for him and I think thats about right. Thats solid value at 15. Ultimitally we just gotta see how it plays out. Ive zero'd in on him cause I think he will be a good fit and I think he might be on the board. Alot of the players people are talking about are not going to be there at 15. And I dont love anyone enough to move up for them.

I think Terry is a better and more natural passer, but it's not a bad comparison. I do think if he doesn't improve his ball handling (which IMO is difficult to improve) that Terry is much more of a shooting guard with some secondary playmaking skills who has to guard PGs than a full blown point guard.

Curry was the 7th man on a 53-win team and the 6th man on a 47-win team with a positive RPM the last two seasons.

The Magic could do a whole lot worse than that with the 15th overall pick.

[Magicfanatic82]

I would not mind taking a shot at Cole Anthony if our guy isnt there at 15. NBA pedigree/family, will be a pro from day 1. We need scoring and shot creation. He will also be more fun to watch instead of Dj pounding the rock.

[yoyojw17]

I would not mind taking a shot at Cole Anthony if our guy isnt there at 15. NBA pedigree/family, will be a pro from day 1. We need scoring and shot creation. He will also be more fun to watch instead of Dj pounding the rock.

He wasn't exactly in the best of situations... and health didn't help either. I wouldn't hold that against him as much either. could be a blessing if he falls too low. If the organization loves him... i'm down too.

[jonbob17]

I would not mind taking a shot at Cole Anthony if our guy isnt there at 15. NBA pedigree/family, will be a pro from day 1. We need scoring and shot creation. He will also be more fun to watch instead of Dj pounding the rock.

He wasn't exactly in the best of situations... and health didn't help either. I wouldn't hold that against him as much either. could be a blessing if he falls too low. If the organization loves him... i'm down too.

I find the he had no one around him argument pretty stale. People make it out that UNC doesn't have any shooters or nba prospects around him that he didn't have a chance, it's still unc. I mean did Grant Riller have anybody around him? Trae when he was at Oklahoma? Most of these non elite schools don't have any talented players.

I am not saying Cole Anthony isn't good, but sure seems like a lot these draftniks are making a lot of excuses for him. He has a lot of talent, and could end up being the best player in this whole draft. It's such a small sample size for some of these injured guys, Cole, Nesmith, Hampton, i wouldn't draw too many conclusions, one way or the other.

[yoyojw17]

I would not mind taking a shot at Cole Anthony if our guy isnt there at 15. NBA pedigree/family, will be a pro from day 1. We need scoring and shot creation. He will also be more fun to watch instead of Dj pounding the rock.

He wasn't exactly in the best of situations... and health didn't help either. I wouldn't hold that against him as much either. could be a blessing if he falls too low. If the organization loves him... i'm down too.

I find the he had no one around him argument pretty stale. People make it out that UNC doesn't have any shooters or nba prospects around him that he didn't have a chance, it's still unc. I mean did Grant Riller have anybody around him? Trae when he was at Oklahoma? Most of these non elite schools don't have any talented players.

I am not saying Cole Anthony isn't good, but sure seems like a lot these draftniks are making a lot of excuses for him. He has a lot of talent, and could end up being the best player in this whole draft. It's such a small sample size for some of these injured guys, Cole, Nesmith, Hampton, i wouldn't draw too many conclusions, one way or the other.

lemme clarify... I'm not actively looking at him.... from what i see... it is a possibility... and if the organization through all of their due diligence determines that there is much more to him than what was shown.... i'll accept it, be happy about it and hope it all comes to fruition.

at the end of the day... all of us are just speculating... and therefore there is room for anything to go in any direction.

[Bensational]

Exactly. Fit matters. We could let DJ go and sign back MCW for more defensive versitility too. Hes def not a perfect prospect and I dont expect one at 15. Everyone is asumming hes gonna be trash on defense. Im saying put him on our team with our coach and culture and lets see where he is 2 or 3 years from now defensivly. Theres some toughness there that makes me think he wont be as awfull as yall think he will be on defense if we draft him. Seth Curry has been the popular comp for him and I think thats about right. Thats solid value at 15. Ultimitally we just gotta see how it plays out. Ive zero'd in on him cause I think he will be a good fit and I think he might be on the board. Alot of the players people are talking about are not going to be there at 15. And I dont love anyone enough to move up for them.

I think Terry is a better and more natural passer, but it's not a bad comparison. I do think if he doesn't improve his ball handling (which IMO is difficult to improve) that Terry is much more of a shooting guard with some secondary playmaking skills who has to guard PGs than a full blown point guard.

Curry was the 7th man on a 53-win team and the 6th man on a 47-win team with a positive RPM the last two seasons.

The Magic could do a whole lot worse than that with the 15th overall pick.

Swapping DJ for Terry actually gives us a better backcourt partner for Fultz since their limitations complement each other. No more Fultz camped in a corner.

In the long term I think Terry's handles will be fine. He won't be elite, but good enough to get to his spots. His jumper will help him the most in keeping defenders honest, and he seems smart enough to figure out how to use fakes.

[UnFadeable21]

Watch on YouTube

Maxey and Edwards workout.

Maxey is first, Edwards starts at 14:00 min mark. Watched the entire thing during lunch break.

Maxey should be the pick for the Magic at 15. He can slash, has great change of direction speeds & good shooter.

[zaymon]

Exactly. Fit matters. We could let DJ go and sign back MCW for more defensive versitility too. Hes def not a perfect prospect and I dont expect one at 15. Everyone is asumming hes gonna be trash on defense. Im saying put him on our team with our coach and culture and lets see where he is 2 or 3 years from now defensivly. Theres some toughness there that makes me think he wont be as awfull as yall think he will be on defense if we draft him. Seth Curry has been the popular comp for him and I think thats about right. Thats solid value at 15. Ultimitally we just gotta see how it plays out. Ive zero'd in on him cause I think he will be a good fit and I think he might be on the board. Alot of the players people are talking about are not going to be there at 15. And I dont love anyone enough to move up for them.

I think Terry is a better and more natural passer, but it's not a bad comparison. I do think if he doesn't improve his ball handling (which IMO is difficult to improve) that Terry is much more of a shooting guard with some secondary playmaking skills who has to guard PGs than a full blown point guard.

Curry was the 7th man on a 53-win team and the 6th man on a 47-win team with a positive RPM the last two seasons.

The Magic could do a whole lot worse than that with the 15th overall pick.

Swapping DJ for Terry actually gives us a better backcourt partner for Fultz since their limitations complement each other. No more Fultz camped in a corner.

In the long term I think Terry's handles will be fine. He won't be elite, but good enough to get to his spots. His jumper will help him the most in keeping defenders honest, and he seems smart enough to figure out how to use fakes.

I dont know about the fit. Until Fultz starts to shoot you need someone who can handle the ball, becouse its impossible for Fultz to create offense on ball consistently. Thats why pairing with Dj was so effective during regular season.
Who you think compliments Fultz better offensively and defensively, Terry or Fournier ?

[basketballRob]

Watch on YouTube

Maxey and Edwards workout.

Maxey is first, Edwards starts at 14:00 min mark. Watched the entire thing during lunch break.

Maxey should be the pick for the Magic at 15. He can slash, has great change of direction speeds & good shooter.

If he falls to 15 they should take him.

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[Ducklett]

Watch on YouTube

Maxey and Edwards workout.

Maxey is first, Edwards starts at 14:00 min mark. Watched the entire thing during lunch break.

Maxey should be the pick for the Magic at 15. He can slash, has great change of direction speeds & good shooter.

If he falls to 15 they should take him.

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Most recent draft heads have him at 8-10 now. RIP.

[Knightro]

Most recent draft heads have him at 8-10 now. RIP.

Good.

[Bensational]

I think Terry is a better and more natural passer, but it's not a bad comparison. I do think if he doesn't improve his ball handling (which IMO is difficult to improve) that Terry is much more of a shooting guard with some secondary playmaking skills who has to guard PGs than a full blown point guard.

Curry was the 7th man on a 53-win team and the 6th man on a 47-win team with a positive RPM the last two seasons.

The Magic could do a whole lot worse than that with the 15th overall pick.

Swapping DJ for Terry actually gives us a better backcourt partner for Fultz since their limitations complement each other. No more Fultz camped in a corner.

In the long term I think Terry's handles will be fine. He won't be elite, but good enough to get to his spots. His jumper will help him the most in keeping defenders honest, and he seems smart enough to figure out how to use fakes.

I dont know about the fit. Until Fultz starts to shoot you need someone who can handle the ball, becouse its impossible for Fultz to create offense on ball consistently. Thats why pairing with Dj was so effective during regular season.
Who you think compliments Fultz better offensively and defensively, Terry or Fournier ?

I think we're ready to sink or swim by Fultz's ability. We need to know what he's capable of a year out from his rookie extension. He can create just fine on his own, as far as being someone who can keep the ball live and or moving. He needs work on his PnR game, and obviously needs to keep shooting until he gets back to form.

Terry gives us DJ's shooting, without his need to dominate a ball. Especially in year 1, alongside Fultz, Terry will be an off-ball weapon. I could see him moving like JJ to get open. If he's on the ball, we know he's good to her his own shot off from a pick, and if defenders play him tight then we just need to figure that out - do we try teach him to beat his man, or send a baseline cutter for the backdoor?

Who's better between Fournier and Terry? Fournier is more experienced, which means better chance at winning right now maybe, but if Terry can become a big shot maker and volume scorer for us, he might be the better long term option.

If I had to choose between the two I take Terry for sure, but I'm also influenced by wanting to see something new and fresh in the backcourt.

[Knightro]

I dont know about the fit. Until Fultz starts to shoot you need someone who can handle the ball, becouse its impossible for Fultz to create offense on ball consistently. Thats why pairing with Dj was so effective during regular season.
Who you think compliments Fultz better offensively and defensively, Terry or Fournier ?

It's time for Fultz to grow up.

The Magic afforded him the opportunity to get physically and mentally healthy in a low pressure environment and it appears he to have accomplished that which is that's great.

But now he's set to make 28.25M over the next two seasons and the Magic simply need more out of him.

I'm not even talking about the three-point shooting, although that obviously needs to improve as well. I'm talking about his assertiveness. I'm talking about his ability to take control of the situation around him.

He needs to take a step forward this year.

[pepe1991]

Maxey to me is execlly type of guard Magic don't need.