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MagicMatic wrote:zaymon wrote:pepe1991 wrote:
Shocking
7th year player, $18M a year, comming of worst season since 2016-17, abysmal shooting splits, 0,00 BPM, adding negative 68 points by shots taken, having negative on-off court value, comming off in every single advanced stats as below average ---- has low trade value?
Even if you look at his statistical projection
Things don't look too great.
Making points like " he would thrive with Nets" really means nothing. Who wouldn't ? Put DJ Augustin on Lakers and he looks like starting PG. Playing behind few superstars really isn't that hard. It's actually so easy that even Alex Caruso from time to time looks like nba player. There was period of time where Mathew Dillawidova looked like good player, mainly because he played behind Lebron.
Being very good player on your own and being valuable player in specific situation are two different things. Gordon is 3rd option on mediocre team. If you change Vuc and Evan for Durant and Irving, Gordon will still be mediocre 3rd option, but now, no longer it will be so obvious how medicore he is. Instad he will get WIDEEE open looks and wide open dunks, but also won't shoot 12 times on 21% usage a game but 9-10 times a game, on 15% usage and spend most of the possessions standing in corner.
Just like Kuzma went from 19ppg/ 15.5 shots, to and delusional fanboys called him future star, to 12 points/11 shots and same fanboys started petition to not give him championship ring, because he was that awful.
Maybe Morris twins are even better example, Marcus went from 20 ppg to 10 ppg going from Knicks to Clippers over span of 5 days. He was still very,very ,very average player on Knicks but somebody had to take shots.
(This doesn't mean Vuc or Evan should be 1# or 2# options by any streach of imagination, this post is my attemp to show how people deflate Gordon issues, by pointing out how he would look like with superstars, while ignoring what he is as stand alone nba player, and ignoring how everybody looks fine if you tag them along 2 allstar- superstar player ).
I really dont know why we didnt trade Gordon last year. We knew what player he is. We knew his value is propably inflated after playoffs. I hope we still get some assets for him.
This logic applies to Vuc as well pre- 4/$100m.
MagicMatic wrote:zaymon wrote:pepe1991 wrote:
Shocking
7th year player, $18M a year, comming of worst season since 2016-17, abysmal shooting splits, 0,00 BPM, adding negative 68 points by shots taken, having negative on-off court value, comming off in every single advanced stats as below average ---- has low trade value?
Even if you look at his statistical projection
Things don't look too great.
Making points like " he would thrive with Nets" really means nothing. Who wouldn't ? Put DJ Augustin on Lakers and he looks like starting PG. Playing behind few superstars really isn't that hard. It's actually so easy that even Alex Caruso from time to time looks like nba player. There was period of time where Mathew Dillawidova looked like good player, mainly because he played behind Lebron.
Being very good player on your own and being valuable player in specific situation are two different things. Gordon is 3rd option on mediocre team. If you change Vuc and Evan for Durant and Irving, Gordon will still be mediocre 3rd option, but now, no longer it will be so obvious how medicore he is. Instad he will get WIDEEE open looks and wide open dunks, but also won't shoot 12 times on 21% usage a game but 9-10 times a game, on 15% usage and spend most of the possessions standing in corner.
Just like Kuzma went from 19ppg/ 15.5 shots, to and delusional fanboys called him future star, to 12 points/11 shots and same fanboys started petition to not give him championship ring, because he was that awful.
Maybe Morris twins are even better example, Marcus went from 20 ppg to 10 ppg going from Knicks to Clippers over span of 5 days. He was still very,very ,very average player on Knicks but somebody had to take shots.
(This doesn't mean Vuc or Evan should be 1# or 2# options by any streach of imagination, this post is my attemp to show how people deflate Gordon issues, by pointing out how he would look like with superstars, while ignoring what he is as stand alone nba player, and ignoring how everybody looks fine if you tag them along 2 allstar- superstar player ).
I really dont know why we didnt trade Gordon last year. We knew what player he is. We knew his value is propably inflated after playoffs. I hope we still get some assets for him.
This logic applies to Vuc as well pre- 4/$100m.
zaymon wrote:MagicMatic wrote:zaymon wrote:
I really dont know why we didnt trade Gordon last year. We knew what player he is. We knew his value is propably inflated after playoffs. I hope we still get some assets for him.
This logic applies to Vuc as well pre- 4/$100m.
I think Vucevic value is the highest right now. He proved himself in the playoffs (at least on the surface), also skilled big man are more and more appreciated these days. Defensively there is a trend to involve 3 and 4 more in protecting the paint which lessens the defensive burden on centers.
With regard to our young core development Vucevic and Gordon are on the opposite side of the spectrum. Vucevic provides spacing and playmaking while Gordon makes life harder for everyone involved, especially Fultz and Isaac.
I cant see how those cases are similar.
Topofthekey wrote:I think the issue with AG is one of expectations
AG isn't going to be the type of player who can carry a team. He's never going to be a superstar; one may even argue that he's not even star material
Invariably, people get disappointed when they expect AG to "dominate" or "explode" but it never happened
What AG can be though, is an elite role player on a contender
So either start building a contender, or trade him to a contender where he can be useful
Rainwater wrote:Per GB GSW pursuing kelly Obure, guess AG wasn't the only option.
Ducklett wrote:If you guys think AG is bad, go look at Oubre's stats. Let's ignore that PHX in the bubble looked like a playoff team by subtraction of his play. Statistically, it is really rough.
Bensational wrote:Rainwater wrote:Per GB GSW pursuing kelly Obure, guess AG wasn't the only option.
Oubre + #10 for #2?
Who does Phoenix want that bad who would fit a young, playoff hopeful team? Is Edwards a fit? Ball looks too wild, be maybe? Haliburton would give them instant reliability.
Or do they try flip the #2 for something?
basketballRob wrote:Phoenix just went 8-0 without Oubre. Plus rumors are they want to cut salary. Not sure the Warriors would give up the 2, they're doing them a favor by taking his salary with the TPE.
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thelead wrote:Gross
Bensational wrote:If all you wanted for Gordon was expirings and a mid first then may as well trade him to Portland for Ariza + Simmons + their pick.
Wolves would have to include Culver instead of Spellman for my liking.