Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread

basketballRob · Post #1961 » by **basketballRob** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 1:42 am

If he falls, i could see us drafting Precious Achiuwa. He goes to the basket like a young Amare Stoudamire.

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MagicFan101 · Post #1962 » by **MagicFan101** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:49 am

I’m comparing the scouting profiles from a particular draft site for Deni Avdija to the one they did on Luka Doncic.

... It is strikingly similar.

Can someone tell me why we aren’t talking about about this guy as a dream trade up target?

I mean, if we are going to compare Edwards and Hayes and Ball and Wiseman ... then why not Avdija?

Post #1963 » by **Bensational** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:08 am

MagicFan101 wrote:I’m comparing the scouting profiles from a particular draft site for Deni Avdija to the one they did on Luka Doncic.

... It is strikingly similar.

Can someone tell me why we aren’t talking about about this guy as a dream trade up target?

I mean, if we are going to compare Edwards and Hayes and Ball and Wiseman ... then why not Avdija?

When I watch Deni I see much more Mario or AG than I do Luka. He plays quick and borderline out of control, but keeps it in check. Does well on the break and whilst defenses are still in transition, but isn't an ISO guy. Would be interesting to see what he could do with some PnRs.

What I like about him more than Mario, though, is that he seems like he has the head to figure it out. Good work ethic, isn't afraid of a spotlight or (national) pressure, can handle and pass, good help defender on blocks. Sketchy 3, and unrefined game around the basket, but I think he figures those things out.

It would be a mistake to pick him thinking Luka. But AG with less defense but a better chance at a 3? I can see that.

Xatticus · Post #1964 » by **Xatticus** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:31 am

MagicFan101 wrote:I’m comparing the scouting profiles from a particular draft site for Deni Avdija to the one they did on Luka Doncic.

... It is strikingly similar.

Can someone tell me why we aren’t talking about about this guy as a dream trade up target?

I mean, if we are going to compare Edwards and Hayes and Ball and Wiseman ... then why not Avdija?

He isn't Doncic. Doncic was the best player in Europe. He won the EuroLeague MVP. Avdija was just a rotation guy that averaged 4 ppg in EuroLeague. Doncic averaged 22 points, 7 rebounds, and 6 assists per 36 minutes in his last EuroLeague season. Avdija averaged 10 points, 7 rebounds, and 3 assists per 36 minutes this past EuroLeague season.

If I'm his agent, I'm throwing out sentences including his name and Luka Doncic's at every opportunity.

He is an average athlete. The shot is a question mark. He is a sub 60% free throw shooter. That's concerning. He has solid feel, can finish around the rim, can pick out a pass, and can handle the ball a bit. That's fine for a guy of his size, but it's nothing special. He seems to be smart and he plays hard.

Everyone labels him a secondary ball handler. Pretty much anyone that can dribble a bit but can't run an offense is a secondary ball handler. He can probably run the pick and roll a bit. Maybe you can get some mileage from that. He won't be a creator otherwise though. I doubt he is a top-10 pick in next year's draft.

It's fine to like him for what he is. Comparisons to Doncic are baseless though.

pepe1991 · Post #1965 » by **pepe1991** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 9:48 am

I see Avdija being more versitale Cedi Osman.
Ofc he is hard working, high character kid , former yugoslavia national team member son. But his ceiling will go from " potential allstar" to " average starter" depending on what he does with his jumpshot.

That thing really needs work right now.
His playmaking needs to be less telegraphed as well.
His left hand needs LOT of work.

Post #1966 » by **Knightro** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 1:39 pm

Based on the combination of current roster construction and the front office's unwillingness to alleviate said roster crunches, I just don't see how the Magic could justify picking another big. Especially when it's unlikely that a 4 or 5 will be the clear cut BPA at 15 or in a trade up situation.

If Weltman and Hammond are actually willing to move veterans in trades this offseason, then that opens up many more possibilities. But until that actually happens, color me skeptical that it will actually happen.

zaymon · Post #1967 » by **zaymon** » Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:59 pm

Knightro wrote:
zaymon wrote:I dont know about the fit. Until Fultz starts to shoot you need someone who can handle the ball, becouse its impossible for Fultz to create offense on ball consistently. Thats why pairing with Dj was so effective during regular season.
Who you think compliments Fultz better offensively and defensively, Terry or Fournier ?

It's time for Fultz to grow up.

The Magic afforded him the opportunity to get physically and mentally healthy in a low pressure environment and it appears he to have accomplished that which is that's great.

But now he's set to make 28.25M over the next two seasons and the Magic simply need more out of him.

I'm not even talking about the three-point shooting, although that obviously needs to improve as well. I'm talking about his assertiveness. I'm talking about his ability to take control of the situation around him.

He needs to take a step forward this year.

I agree, giving Fultz a chance seems to be our best choice right now. We have little to lose.
I understand this as surrounding him with players who compliment him, but doesnt cost us much assets. Resigning veterans was the cheapest option available.
Given Fultz limitations (shooting, feel for the game after long absence), its hard to find a better compliment than Vucevic at center. Right now its Fultz lack of shooting limiting Vucevic potential.
Pairing Fultz with rookie Terry seems like setting both for failure. Markelle is not a particulary good defender right now, Fournier is tasked to guard opponents lead ball handlers. Terry cant do that.
Fultz needs a lot of help with ball handling. Terry cant do that.
Terry is also very bad option for our bench unless we get rid of Dj and MCW returns to play pg which limits his versatility.
If we want Fultz to grow Fournier is a better option than Terry, propably both short and long term.
If we trade our best basketball players and shooters its doing Fultz a big disservice. Its not that anyone is blocking his way

basketballRob · Post #1968 » by **basketballRob** » Sun Nov 1, 2020 1:35 am

Maxey, Lewis, or Bey.

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Post #1969 » by **Knightro** » Sun Nov 1, 2020 12:20 pm

Read on Twitter

I’m not a fan of this Bey, but if you’re looking for a potential 2nd rounder that fits Weltman and Hammond’s long boi mold, this is the guy.

pepe1991 · Post #1970 » by **pepe1991** » Sun Nov 1, 2020 2:41 pm

Almost every year some nobody dominates combine...

jonbob17 · Post #1971 » by **jonbob17** » Sun Nov 1, 2020 3:05 pm

Xatticus wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:I’m comparing the scouting profiles from a particular draft site for Deni Avdija to the one they did on Luka Doncic.

... It is strikingly similar.

Can someone tell me why we aren’t talking about about this guy as a dream trade up target?

I mean, if we are going to compare Edwards and Hayes and Ball and Wiseman ... then why not Avdija?

He isn't Doncic. Doncic was the best player in Europe. He won the EuroLeague MVP. Avdija was just a rotation guy that averaged 4 ppg in EuroLeague. Doncic averaged 22 points, 7 rebounds, and 6 assists per 36 minutes in his last EuroLeague season. Avdija averaged 10 points, 7 rebounds, and 3 assists per 36 minutes this past EuroLeague season.

If I'm his agent, I'm throwing out sentences including his name and Luka Doncic's at every opportunity.

He is an average athlete. The shot is a question mark. He is a sub 60% free throw shooter. That's concerning. He has solid feel, can finish around the rim, can pick out a pass, and can handle the ball a bit. That's fine for a guy of his size, but it's nothing special. He seems to be smart and he plays hard.

Everyone labels him a secondary ball handler. Pretty much anyone that can dribble a bit but can't run an offense is a secondary ball handler. He can probably run the pick and roll a bit. Maybe you can get some mileage from that. He won't be a creator otherwise though. I doubt he is a top-10 pick in next year's draft.

It's fine to like him for what he is. Comparisons to Doncic are baseless though.

It's as bad as people comparing Tyrell Terry to Steph Curry.

IllMagic04 · Post #1972 » by **IllMagic04** » Sun Nov 1, 2020 5:29 pm

zaymon wrote:
Knightro wrote:
zaymon wrote:I dont know about the fit. Until Fultz starts to shoot you need someone who can handle the ball, becouse its impossible for Fultz to create offense on ball consistently. Thats why pairing with Dj was so effective during regular season.
Who you think compliments Fultz better offensively and defensively, Terry or Fournier ?

It's time for Fultz to grow up.

The Magic afforded him the opportunity to get physically and mentally healthy in a low pressure environment and it appears he to have accomplished that which is that's great.

But now he's set to make 28.25M over the next two seasons and the Magic simply need more out of him.

I'm not even talking about the three-point shooting, although that obviously needs to improve as well. I'm talking about his assertiveness. I'm talking about his ability to take control of the situation around him.

He needs to take a step forward this year.

I agree, giving Fultz a chance seems to be our best choice right now. We have little to lose.
I understand this as surrounding him with players who compliment him, but doesnt cost us much assets. Resigning veterans was the cheapest option available.
Given Fultz limitations (shooting, feel for the game after long absence), its hard to find a better compliment than Vucevic at center. Right now its Fultz lack of shooting limiting Vucevic potential.
Pairing Fultz with rookie Terry seems like setting both for failure. Markelle is not a particulary good defender right now, Fournier is tasked to guard opponents lead ball handlers. Terry cant do that.
Fultz needs a lot of help with ball handling. Terry cant do that.
Terry is also very bad option for our bench unless we get rid of Dj and MCW returns to play pg which limits his versatility.
If we want Fultz to grow Fournier is a better option than Terry, propably both short and long term.
If we trade our best basketball players and shooters its doing Fultz a big disservice. Its not that anyone is blocking his way

I agree on short term but I gotta push back on long term. We have no idea the improvements both players could make long term. Any senerio that involves bringing Fournier back past next year is something I cant get behind. We cant keep spending money on a 8th seed core. At some point you gotta shake something up. I also dont understand the assumption that the 15th pick in a weaker draft is gonna be a starter. I would see Terry as the back up PG that plays some experimental spot minutes with Fultz. I would see Lewis Jr the same way. We've played Fultz and DJ together already.

Lets also look at it like this. Im not sure Fultz is our answer at PG. Im not gonna pass on a player just cause he might be a bad fit with Fultz. This team needs offensive fire power no matter what position or body type its in. Im not saying it has to be Terry. Im not sure if hes def gonna be on the board. But it needs to be a guy walking in the door with actual basketball skills.

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MasterGMer · Post #1973 » by **MasterGMer** » Sun Nov 1, 2020 6:27 pm

We need someone who can shoot at 2. That should be the focus of the draft

zaymon · Post #1974 » by **zaymon** » Sun Nov 1, 2020 7:07 pm

IllMagic04 wrote:
zaymon wrote:
Knightro wrote:
It's time for Fultz to grow up.

The Magic afforded him the opportunity to get physically and mentally healthy in a low pressure environment and it appears he to have accomplished that which is that's great.

But now he's set to make 28.25M over the next two seasons and the Magic simply need more out of him.

I'm not even talking about the three-point shooting, although that obviously needs to improve as well. I'm talking about his assertiveness. I'm talking about his ability to take control of the situation around him.

He needs to take a step forward this year.

I agree, giving Fultz a chance seems to be our best choice right now. We have little to lose.
I understand this as surrounding him with players who compliment him, but doesnt cost us much assets. Resigning veterans was the cheapest option available.
Given Fultz limitations (shooting, feel for the game after long absence), its hard to find a better compliment than Vucevic at center. Right now its Fultz lack of shooting limiting Vucevic potential.
Pairing Fultz with rookie Terry seems like setting both for failure. Markelle is not a particulary good defender right now, Fournier is tasked to guard opponents lead ball handlers. Terry cant do that.
Fultz needs a lot of help with ball handling. Terry cant do that.
Terry is also very bad option for our bench unless we get rid of Dj and MCW returns to play pg which limits his versatility.
If we want Fultz to grow Fournier is a better option than Terry, propably both short and long term.
If we trade our best basketball players and shooters its doing Fultz a big disservice. Its not that anyone is blocking his way
I agree on short term but I gotta push back on long term. We have no idea the improvements both players could make long term. Any senerio that involves bringing Fournier back past next year is something I cant get behind. We cant keep spending money on a 8th seed core. At some point you gotta shake something up. I also dont understand the assumption that the 15th pick in a weaker draft is gonna be a starter. I would see Terry as the back up PG that plays some experimental spot minutes with Fultz. I would see Lewis Jr the same way. We've played Fultz and DJ together already.

Lets also look at it like this. Im not sure Fultz is our answer at PG. Im not gonna pass on a player just cause he might be a bad fit with Fultz. This team needs offensive fire power no matter what position or body type its in. Im not saying it has to be Terry. Im not sure if hes def gonna be on the board. But it needs to be a guy walking in the door with actual basketball skills.

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I cant agree that resigning Fournier on a team friendly deal is bad move. 6'7 wings who shoot 40% from 3 and can handle the ball dont grow on trees. For example this draft has not even one player with those tools and abilities. You can have #1 pick and you wont draft tall shooter who can be secondary ball handler.
Fournier is not taking minutes away from ANY of our young players, why dump him exactly ? Yes he had two bad series, but this year we were shorthanded, he was coming from illness and he was guarded by elite defender in Matthews.

I am not all in on Fultz. We should draft bpa. I dont see it with Terry. From guards i like Lewis more.

KillMonger · Post #1975 » by **KillMonger** » Sun Nov 1, 2020 7:20 pm

Tyrell Terry

RJ Hampton

Kira Lewis Jr.

Tyrese Maxey

basketballRob · Post #1976 » by **basketballRob** » Sun Nov 1, 2020 7:54 pm

zaymon wrote:
IllMagic04 wrote:
zaymon wrote:
I agree, giving Fultz a chance seems to be our best choice right now. We have little to lose.
I understand this as surrounding him with players who compliment him, but doesnt cost us much assets. Resigning veterans was the cheapest option available.
Given Fultz limitations (shooting, feel for the game after long absence), its hard to find a better compliment than Vucevic at center. Right now its Fultz lack of shooting limiting Vucevic potential.
Pairing Fultz with rookie Terry seems like setting both for failure. Markelle is not a particulary good defender right now, Fournier is tasked to guard opponents lead ball handlers. Terry cant do that.
Fultz needs a lot of help with ball handling. Terry cant do that.
Terry is also very bad option for our bench unless we get rid of Dj and MCW returns to play pg which limits his versatility.
If we want Fultz to grow Fournier is a better option than Terry, propably both short and long term.
If we trade our best basketball players and shooters its doing Fultz a big disservice. Its not that anyone is blocking his way
I agree on short term but I gotta push back on long term. We have no idea the improvements both players could make long term. Any senerio that involves bringing Fournier back past next year is something I cant get behind. We cant keep spending money on a 8th seed core. At some point you gotta shake something up. I also dont understand the assumption that the 15th pick in a weaker draft is gonna be a starter. I would see Terry as the back up PG that plays some experimental spot minutes with Fultz. I would see Lewis Jr the same way. We've played Fultz and DJ together already.

Lets also look at it like this. Im not sure Fultz is our answer at PG. Im not gonna pass on a player just cause he might be a bad fit with Fultz. This team needs offensive fire power no matter what position or body type its in. Im not saying it has to be Terry. Im not sure if hes def gonna be on the board. But it needs to be a guy walking in the door with actual basketball skills.

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I cant agree that resigning Fournier on a team friendly deal is bad move. 6'7 wings who shoot 40% from 3 and can handle the ball dont grow on trees. For example this draft has not even one player with those tools and abilities. You can have #1 pick and you wont draft tall shooter who can be secondary ball handler.
Fournier is not taking minutes away from ANY of our young players, why dump him exactly ? Yes he had two bad series, but this year we were shorthanded, he was coming from illness and he was guarded by elite defender in Matthews.

I am not all in on Fultz. We should draft bpa. I dont see it with Terry. From guards i like Lewis more.

Fournier can barely dunk, so i think his height is irrelevant.

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MasterGMer · Post #1977 » by **MasterGMer** » Sun Nov 1, 2020 8:26 pm

How does everybody think about RJ Hampton at 15? He could have the highest ceiling among all prospects we looking at. Quick and explosive plus good frame. He could play 1 and 2. Shooting needs work but if we want to pair someone with Fultz. I like RJ at 2.

Skin · Post #1978 » by **Skin** » Sun Nov 1, 2020 9:10 pm

MasterGMer wrote:How does everybody think about RJ Hampton at 15? He could have the highest ceiling among all prospects we looking at. Quick and explosive plus good frame. He could play 1 and 2. Shooting needs work but if we want to pair someone with Fultz. I like RJ at 2.

Won't be mad. He offers us some hope. How high is that ceiling? How low is that floor? Sometimes he reminds me of Westbrook other times Exum.

Xatticus · Post #1979 » by **Xatticus** » Sun Nov 1, 2020 9:43 pm

MasterGMer wrote:How does everybody think about RJ Hampton at 15? He could have the highest ceiling among all prospects we looking at. Quick and explosive plus good frame. He could play 1 and 2. Shooting needs work but if we want to pair someone with Fultz. I like RJ at 2.

I think he is a decent upside pick due to his frame and athleticism. I think he is a bad fit for us. He's raw. I don't know what our roster will look like next year, but he wouldn't find a spot in our rotation right now. Our guard rotation isn't good as is, so it's difficult for me to envision him carving out a substantial role on next year's team. I don't think he is someone that Clifford is going to want to play. He'd give him a specific role that would minimize his offensive touches. In two years' time, we'd be having discussions about whether or not it is worth picking up his option due to his limited opportunities to demonstrate anything.

Ducklett · Post #1980 » by **Ducklett** » Sun Nov 1, 2020 9:47 pm

MasterGMer wrote:How does everybody think about RJ Hampton at 15? He could have the highest ceiling among all prospects we looking at. Quick and explosive plus good frame. He could play 1 and 2. Shooting needs work but if we want to pair someone with Fultz. I like RJ at 2.

If he is there in the late 20s, I would be fine making a trade to get him. I think 15 for a guy that can't shoot when you could get a Terry or Nesmith would be foolish.

What kind of player do you think we need most?