Who's the G.O.A.T. ?

[OdomFan]

LOL

Wade and Davis are both way better players than Pippen ever was.

But way way better.

No way they were way better than prime Pippen.. Pippen was just a lesser version of Bron.. Wade and Davis were their best playing with Lebron. Wade is overrated... Lebron is goat he would have made Jordan better

Wade won a title and fmvp as the man.
Before Lebron he was averaging
25ppg 5rpg 7apg 2spg 1bpg @48%fg 29%3pt 77%ft
Per25.7, 56%ts, ows45.6, dws24.1, ws69.8, ws48, .189 obpm5.3, dbpm1.4, bpm6.7, vorp38.6.

But sure he is worse then prime Pippen.
The disrepect Lebron stans show his teammates is unbelivable.
Wade is at worst top5 Sg ever.
Lebron, bird, kd, kawhi and Dr J are all better then Pippen ever was.
Also Lebron would make Jordan better. But Jordan would also make Lebron better.
But he also would have better record than 4-10 if he played with Jordan.

Heck, many people had Grant Hill over Pippen for most of the 90s as well. If only he didn't get that injury his legacy would be remembered even more.

[twyzted]

MJ GOAT cult be like this after they see Lebron facts

Watch on YouTube

Arent you the only one still in this thread trying to make a case for Lebron.
And you refuse to answer when your points get refuted.
Because you dont understand.

319 voted Jordan
155 voted Lebron.

Case closed/

[twyzted]

No way they were way better than prime Pippen.. Pippen was just a lesser version of Bron.. Wade and Davis were their best playing with Lebron. Wade is overrated... Lebron is goat he would have made Jordan better

Wade won a title and fmvp as the man.
Before Lebron he was averaging
25ppg 5rpg 7apg 2spg 1bpg @48%fg 29%3pt 77%ft
Per25.7, 56%ts, ows45.6, dws24.1, ws69.8, ws48, .189 obpm5.3, dbpm1.4, bpm6.7, vorp38.6.

But sure he is worse then prime Pippen.
The disrepect Lebron stans show his teammates is unbelivable.
Wade is at worst top5 Sg ever.
Lebron, bird, kd, kawhi and Dr J are all better then Pippen ever was.
Also Lebron would make Jordan better. But Jordan would also make Lebron better.
But he also would have better record than 4-10 if he played with Jordan.

Heck, many people had Grant Hill over Pippen for most of the 90s as well. If only he didn't get that injury his legacy would be remembered even more.

Yes he was better he was talked about as "heir to Jordans Crown" when Jordan would retire.
He finished 3rd in 97 mvp after Malone and Jordan.

[Drakeem]

Does anyone say "I wanna be like Lebron." Nope. Never heard at the gym or anywhere tbh. I heard curry, kobe, and "like mike". Tells you alot tbh.

Because those other players have shots or moves that the normal person can replicate and practice (the fadeaway, footwork, bombing 3s, etc) which were their signature moves. You can't really teach the normal person to be 6'8", 270 pounds and to barrel into all defenders and finish with contact. Its a move, and an effective one, but not something the 12 year old kid can do in his playground.

[Wolveswin]

No way they were way better than prime Pippen.. Pippen was just a lesser version of Bron.. Wade and Davis were their best playing with Lebron. Wade is overrated... Lebron is goat he would have made Jordan better

Wade won a title and fmvp as the man.
Before Lebron he was averaging
25ppg 5rpg 7apg 2spg 1bpg @48%fg 29%3pt 77%ft
Per25.7, 56%ts, ows45.6, dws24.1, ws69.8, ws48, .189 obpm5.3, dbpm1.4, bpm6.7, vorp38.6.

But sure he is worse then prime Pippen.
The disrepect Lebron stans show his teammates is unbelivable.
Wade is at worst top5 Sg ever.
Lebron, bird, kd, kawhi and Dr J are all better then Pippen ever was.
Also Lebron would make Jordan better. But Jordan would also make Lebron better.
But he also would have better record than 4-10 if he played with Jordan.

Heck, many people had Grant Hill over Pippen for most of the 90s as well. If only he didn't get that injury his legacy would be remembered even more.

I don't think anyone can debate who had better teammates. James and its not even close.

Even if one conceded the argument Pippen was the 2nd best player of the overall group (which is highly arguable and I think not true), the next like 3-5 players on the list are James teammates.

James:
Davis
Wade
Bosh
Irving
Love
Allen

Jordan:
Pippen
Rodman
Grant
Harper
Kukoc
Kerr

To the point, look how well accomplished James teammates were before James. Not ring winners (outside of Wade), but well established stud NBA players. MJ's cast was only something because of him. Only argument against, is Rodman as one trick pony or Kukoc in his Euro play.

[westcider]

So it isn't even a discussion anymore. Jordan didn't play one team which was better than worst team Lebron played in the Finals -

anybody got the efficiency numbers for LeBron and MJ's teams in those runs?

[lazybatman]

Le Crybaby didnt play with a top 25 player? Wade was a fmvp and carried that Heat team to the finals that beat my Mavs. How many fmvp does Pippen have? Wade and Davis are both superior to Pippen. And how did Le Crybaby play against tougher finals competition when they just beat the Heat with Butler, injured Bam, Hero, and Duncan Robinson as their starting 5. Jordans Bulls also beat my Mavs in 6 in 2011. Quit making crap up. And Iggy in the HOF? Lol how long have you been watching the nba? Great post man

Wade's ranked 26 in the NBA all time rankings released last year. He was the best player Lebron ever played with. FMVP and Champion. AD may get there in the top 10-20, but nothing he's done yet qualifies him. Scottie was an elite defender and playmaker on a team where Jordan used to hog the possession. None of them are better.

Iggy is an FMVP, 3 time champ as a core member of the Warriors Dynasty, 6 time NBA finalist. Worse players with ZERO accomplishments are in the the NBA Tom, Dick and Harry HOF. I could name a few, but you prolly got 10 fingers and internet too.

Do you have a real argument about my post except this childish little rant? Ignorance is bliss though, so maybe just stand pat.

Let me break it down for you. Pippen was an awesome Robin to Jordan who was clearly the Alpha dog. Wade was an Alpha, he wasnt second fiddle to anyone. Old Shaq rode his coattails in Miami. Pippen just wasnt an alpha and wasnt the player prime Wade was. That was still Wades team in 2010 when your boy joined him. Jordan didnt ever play second fiddle to anyone, he didnt have too. Le Bron needed Wade more than Jordan needed Pippen. And just stop with Iggy. Dude played with Curry, Thompson, Green, and KD. Iggy is not a hof player. And why am i making childish comments? You wont come off the le bron thing. Fine, do you. But most people who watched 80s and 90s nba have jordan over him. Deal with it

Most people also think either Trump or Biden are gonna heal America.. It's called herd mentality, not being right.

Mike just sucked *ss without Pippen dude - that's a fact and you know it! You can stuff it with the 'Alpha dog', 'That look in his eye' or the 'Killer Instinct' bs all you like, it's not gonna change facts. Mike just needed a lot of help to win. Without Pip and Phil and Krause and Rodman / Grant, Mike was and is an absolute stat padder loooooooser worse than even Harden, who could never even drive his team to a .500 record.

Lebron won before and after playing with Wade(2 60+ win season with the pre-2010 Cavs with 1 ECF Crown). Lebron was the best player in the league before he joined Wade. Like him, his fans are not insecure about admitting that he choked at the sight of finally being able to win the finals for the first time in 2011.

Y'all just chumps in denial man.

[Petergrifindor]

No way they were way better than prime Pippen.. Pippen was just a lesser version of Bron.. Wade and Davis were their best playing with Lebron. Wade is overrated... Lebron is goat he would have made Jordan better

They are not just better than Pippen, they are much much better.

It's so obvious that kids here just pretend to have seen this guys play, but never didn't.

A lesser Lebron.

[twyzted]

Wade's ranked 26 in the NBA all time rankings released last year. He was the best player Lebron ever played with. FMVP and Champion. AD may get there in the top 10-20, but nothing he's done yet qualifies him. Scottie was an elite defender and playmaker on a team where Jordan used to hog the possession. None of them are better.

Iggy is an FMVP, 3 time champ as a core member of the Warriors Dynasty, 6 time NBA finalist. Worse players with ZERO accomplishments are in the the NBA Tom, Dick and Harry HOF. I could name a few, but you prolly got 10 fingers and internet too.

Do you have a real argument about my post except this childish little rant? Ignorance is bliss though, so maybe just stand pat.

Let me break it down for you. Pippen was an awesome Robin to Jordan who was clearly the Alpha dog. Wade was an Alpha, he wasnt second fiddle to anyone. Old Shaq rode his coattails in Miami. Pippen just wasnt an alpha and wasnt the player prime Wade was. That was still Wades team in 2010 when your boy joined him. Jordan didnt ever play second fiddle to anyone, he didnt have too. Le Bron needed Wade more than Jordan needed Pippen. And just stop with Iggy. Dude played with Curry, Thompson, Green, and KD. Iggy is not a hof player. And why am i making childish comments? You wont come off the le bron thing. Fine, do you. But most people who watched 80s and 90s nba have jordan over him. Deal with it

Most people also think either Trump or Biden are gonna heal America.. It's called herd mentality, not being right.

Mike just sucked *ss without Pippen dude - that's a fact and you know it! You can stuff it with the 'Alpha dog', 'That look in his eye' or the 'Killer Instinct' bs all you like, it's not gonna change facts. Mike just needed a lot of help to win. Without Pip and Phil and Krause and Rodman / Grant, Mike was and is an absolute stat padder loooooooser worse than even Harden, who could never even drive his team to a .500 record.

Lebron won before and after playing with Wade(2 60+ win season with the pre-2010 Cavs with 1 ECF Crown). Lebron was the best player in the league before he joined Wade. Like him, his fans are not insecure about admitting that he choked at the sight of finally being able to win the finals for the first time in 2011.

Y'all just chumps in denial man.

lebron chocked in 07.
Choked in game 6 in 09.
He also choked a 2-1 lead in 10.
He also choked in 11.
He almost choked in 13 finals 43% 31% 73% 22ppg
then in game 6 he shot 43% 20% 75% 10 11 6 32 -1
Allen absolutly saved him with the 3.
He has 2 worst showing of "goat" candidate in finals of any sport.
Hes the goat choker

[AgentGreen]

This thread didn't age well for the Lebron stans.

[Infinite Llamas]

This thread didn't age well for the Lebron stans.

I mean, tbh, after watching lose 6 out of 10 Finals, they’ve gotten pretty comfortable taking the L

[lazybatman]

No way they were way better than prime Pippen.. Pippen was just a lesser version of Bron.. Wade and Davis were their best playing with Lebron. Wade is overrated... Lebron is goat he would have made Jordan better

They are not just better than Pippen, they are much much better.

It's so obvious that kids here just pretend to have seen this guys play, but never didn't.

A lesser Lebron.

Why do you assume, anyone who likes Lebron is not old enough to have watched Mike play. I watched them both(Mike - post 1992), and just think Lebron's better, and it's not an anomaly.

[lazybatman]

This thread didn't age well for the Lebron stans.

Aged pretty well for fans who can read. I figure Mike fans are not ageing well seeing their 6/6 / 30 ppg argument shrinking everyday.

[Mulhollanddrive]

LeBron fans slowly morphing into someone else's talking about rigged voting and conspiracy theories.

[Magic Is Magic]

LeBron has all the playoff records and Jordan never came close and even though MJ held the #1 spot for a lot of these categories he has now been passed up by James in the following: Points, Steals, Game Winners, Win Shares and as we know the list goes on and on. They are nearly unbreakable records so good luck to anyone that wants to give it a go.

[Magic Is Magic]

Wade won a title and fmvp as the man.
Before Lebron he was averaging
25ppg 5rpg 7apg 2spg 1bpg @48%fg 29%3pt 77%ft
Per25.7, 56%ts, ows45.6, dws24.1, ws69.8, ws48, .189 obpm5.3, dbpm1.4, bpm6.7, vorp38.6.

But sure he is worse then prime Pippen.
The disrepect Lebron stans show his teammates is unbelivable.
Wade is at worst top5 Sg ever.
Lebron, bird, kd, kawhi and Dr J are all better then Pippen ever was.
Also Lebron would make Jordan better. But Jordan would also make Lebron better.
But he also would have better record than 4-10 if he played with Jordan.

Heck, many people had Grant Hill over Pippen for most of the 90s as well. If only he didn't get that injury his legacy would be remembered even more.

I don't think anyone can debate who had better teammates. James and its not even close.

Even if one conceded the argument Pippen was the 2nd best player of the overall group (which is highly arguable and I think not true), the next like 3-5 players on the list are James teammates.

James:
Davis
Wade
Bosh
Irving
Love
Allen

Jordan:
Pippen
Rodman
Grant
Harper
Kukoc
Kerr

To the point, look how well accomplished James teammates were before James. Not ring winners (outside of Wade), but well established stud NBA players. MJ's cast was only something because of him. Only argument against, is Rodman as one trick pony or Kukoc in his Euro play.

Completely False. Jordan had the better teammates by far. I get surprised when people don't know this.

MJ had 15 teammates make an All NBA or All Defensive selections.
LBJ had 7 teammates make an All NBA or All Defensive selection.

It's not close.

[Infinite Llamas]

Heck, many people had Grant Hill over Pippen for most of the 90s as well. If only he didn't get that injury his legacy would be remembered even more.

I don't think anyone can debate who had better teammates. James and its not even close.

Even if one conceded the argument Pippen was the 2nd best player of the overall group (which is highly arguable and I think not true), the next like 3-5 players on the list are James teammates.

James:
Davis
Wade
Bosh
Irving
Love
Allen

Jordan:
Pippen
Rodman
Grant
Harper
Kukoc
Kerr

To the point, look how well accomplished James teammates were before James. Not ring winners (outside of Wade), but well established stud NBA players. MJ's cast was only something because of him. Only argument against, is Rodman as one trick pony or Kukoc in his Euro play.

Completely False. Jordan had the better teammates by far. I get surprised when people don't know this.

MJ had 15 teammates make an All NBA or All Defensive selections.
LBJ had 7 teammates make an All NBA or All Defensive selection.

It's not close.

Jordan stood by Pippen. Lebron ditches Wade is all that stat you listed tells me.

[lambchop]

Does anyone say "I wanna be like Lebron." Nope. Never heard at the gym or anywhere tbh. I heard curry, kobe, and "like mike". Tells you alot tbh.

Because those other players have shots or moves that the normal person can replicate and practice (the fadeaway, footwork, bombing 3s, etc) which were their signature moves. You can't really teach the normal person to be 6'8", 270 pounds and to barrel into all defenders and finish with contact. Its a move, and an effective one, but not something the 12 year old kid can do in his playground.

This. Also lebron's other qualities, like courtvision, can't be taught. Not saying Jordan couldn't see the game ahead the way bron does, but passing wasn't a staple of his game.

That said, all things considered, MJ should be the goat imo. Lebron was just a reliable midrange game away from more dominance, a better finals record and possibly being the goat. Even Paul pierce's pull up jumper would have been enough.

[AgentGreen]

This thread didn't age well for the Lebron stans.

Aged pretty well for fans who can read. I figure Mike fans are not ageing well seeing their 6/6 / 30 ppg argument shrinking everyday.

Keep on chasing the ghost.

[Wolveswin]

Heck, many people had Grant Hill over Pippen for most of the 90s as well. If only he didn't get that injury his legacy would be remembered even more.

I don't think anyone can debate who had better teammates. James and its not even close.

Even if one conceded the argument Pippen was the 2nd best player of the overall group (which is highly arguable and I think not true), the next like 3-5 players on the list are James teammates.

James:
Davis
Wade
Bosh
Irving
Love
Allen

Jordan:
Pippen
Rodman
Grant
Harper
Kukoc
Kerr

To the point, look how well accomplished James teammates were before James. Not ring winners (outside of Wade), but well established stud NBA players. MJ's cast was only something because of him. Only argument against, is Rodman as one trick pony or Kukoc in his Euro play.

Completely False. Jordan had the better teammates by far. I get surprised when people don't know this.

MJ had 15 teammates make an All NBA or All Defensive selections.
LBJ had 7 teammates make an All NBA or All Defensive selection.

It's not close.

There is no case, not even remote case for saying Jordan had better teammates. Like not even worth a response.

Of your “stats” how many were without Jordan? How many of Jordan’s teammates had a ring without him?

James has always partnered with top end players that were elite even without James. And partnered together became championship level players. How many of Jordan’s teammate were accomplished before teaming with him? Or if they never partnered with Jordan we would even know their names? Everyone of James teammates were well accomplished despite James affect.