2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

[The-Power]

What I like about him is he attacks the rim hard. We need more of that.

He really doesn't though. % of FGA at the rim and FTr are very underwhelming for an athletic Guard prospect like him, he was content just chucking up jumpers a lot of the time.

[cdubbz]

What I like about him is he attacks the rim hard. We need more of that.

He really doesn't though. % of FGA at the rim and FTr are very underwhelming for an athletic Guard prospect like him, he was content just chucking up jumpers a lot of the time.

I guess I mean when he goes to the rim he goes hard and has potential to in the NBA.

I hate college basketball for a lot of reasons and one of them is spacing.

[Onus]

Windhorst apparently said wiseman won’t interview with Minnesota ...

is there a link for this?


Cant find anything.....

Windhorst said it on his podcast on Thursday.

[Onus]

https://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/nba-draft-sleepers-killian-tillie-paul-reed/565890
1. Tillie
Tillie has two strikes against him – his age and his injury history. As a four-year player at Gonzaga, the French forward is already 22 years old. That can be a red flag if you’re discussing a player who hasn’t produced at a high level. Despite playing in crowded frontcourts his entire career at Gonzaga, Tillie has been the anchor of Mark Few’s defensive schemes and a key cog on the offensive end of the court. Tillie’s ability to score on the block and hit 44 percent of his 3-point attempts opened the court for so much of what the Zags were aiming to do.

That only happened when Tillie was on the court. He missed 22 games in the 2018-19 season and nine games in 2019-20 to injuries, leading to a disappointing back half of his career. If he had entered the draft after his sophomore year, he’d have been a first-round pick. Deep down, Tillie is still the same high IQ, high motor, versatile big man that teams once loved. If he can stay healthy, he clearly has value at the next level.

2. Reed
Like Tillie, Reed is on the older side at 21, having played three years at DePaul. Unlike Tillie, who flashed as a freshman and sophomore, Reed was more of a late bloomer. He didn’t produce in a meaningful way until the middle of his sophomore season. That can be a red flag for NBA scouts. Did the prospect improve or was he simply beating up younger, less experienced players?

In Reed’s case, there’s a strong argument for legitimate progress. More importantly, his production as a junior came in areas that translate well to the next level. His scoring increased, but he didn’t become a scoring machine unexpectedly. Instead, Reed dominated the glass and was a defensive menace. He posted 19 double-digit rebounding efforts this past season. Defensively, he nearly broke boxscores with some performances, including seven steals in 29 minutes against Xavier and eight blocks at Minnesota.

There are times I feel like I would trade 2 for 14 26 and 30 straight up just so we can get these 2 or Xavier Tillman with the late 1st

[Little Digger]

look at the projected top 60 ..which players belong on the Uber-Competitive list ?

Which guys come close to making that list?

[The-Power]

What I like about him is he attacks the rim hard. We need more of that.

He really doesn't though. % of FGA at the rim and FTr are very underwhelming for an athletic Guard prospect like him, he was content just chucking up jumpers a lot of the time.

I guess I mean when he goes to the rim he goes hard and has potential to in the NBA.

I hate college basketball for a lot of reasons and one of them is spacing.

The key word is potential. But let's not blame college basketball for his pedestrian free throw rate and relatively low frequency of finishing at the rim. That's entirely on him. Lots of his peers have managed higher rates and attacked the rim more despite weaker physical tools. It's just not Edwards mentality to look for chances to attack the rim constantly, and I find it hard to believe that this is going to be fundamentally different at the NBA level. He has been like this everywhere he played – HS, AAU, NCAA. Way too much chucking, often low-percentage jump shots without any intention to try to create a better shot.

And since it's not just his scoring but also his defense and – albeit less extreme in college – his off-ball movement where he displays laziness regularly, I'm not optimistic it will click for him. Compared to him, Wiggins had a big-time motor when it comes to attacking (37% to 27% shots at the rim; 0.54 to 0.34 FTr). He could do so much more to use his athleticism – bulk, speed, leaping ability – to his advantage but he doesn't, never has really. That's not because of the NCAA environment but because of who he is, and people are too caught up in what could be if he'd just be different in his approach.

Sure, there's potential but I think history has taught us that we shouldn't expect players to simply overcome bad habits such as laziness, or lack of basketball IQ, and all of a sudden turn it around once they are in the NBA. Can it happen? Sure. Would I bet on a player like that with the 2nd overall pick? Hell no. Players like him – where people see glimpses of what could be and really want to hope that they somehow put it together – come through every year and more often than not disappoint; because the underlying attitude isn't simply going to disappear. Heck, even when already in the NBA players like him sometimes have fans waiting for years that it all comes together because of flashes they display every now and then, until fans ultimately give up and turn on them.

[Little Digger]

LD’s Big Board update

1. Okoro (Okoro, Toppin and Edwards are the only guys I feel I have a solid take on)
2. Advija
3. Wiseman
4. Ball
5. Williams
6. Vassell
7. Haliburton
8. Edwards
9. Pokusevski
10. Okongwu
11.Hayes
12. Saddiq Bey
13. Toppin
14. Hampton
15. Smith

Mostly talking out of my a**..just like all of you..but I know who Okoro is

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[Little Digger]

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[Coxy]

LD’s Big Board update

1. Okoro (Okoro, Toppin and Edwards are the only guys I feel I have a solid take on)
2. Wiseman
3. Ball
4. Avdija
5. Vassell
6. Williams
7. Haliburton
8. Edwards
9. Pokusevski
10. Okongwu
11.Hayes
12. Saddiq Bey
13. Toppin
14. Hampton
15. Smith

Mostly talking out of my a**..just like all of you..but I know who Okoro is

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Good to see Patrick Williams climbing your board. I think that guy is going to be the steal of the draft. He reminds me of Gerald Wallace.

[Little Digger]

For me picks 2 thru around 18 are a total crap shoot..I won’t be surprised at all if the #15, #16 and #17 picks + a couple 2nd rounders hit doubles and triples while picks #1 #2 #3 #4 hit one single, one foul out, one hit batsman and one caught looking.

Only lock is Okoro and he might go 11th..

[ShayDee]

Some 2nd round options

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[Scoots1994]

LD’s Big Board update

1. Okoro (Okoro, Toppin and Edwards are the only guys I feel I have a solid take on)
2. Wiseman
3. Ball
4. Avdija
5. Vassell
6. Williams
7. Haliburton
8. Edwards
9. Pokusevski
10. Okongwu
11.Hayes
12. Saddiq Bey
13. Toppin
14. Hampton
15. Smith

Mostly talking out of my a**..just like all of you..but I know who Okoro is

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Good to see Patrick Williams climbing your board. I think that guy is going to be the steal of the draft. He reminds me of Gerald Wallace.

Gerald Wallace was a good player but hardly a star to target in the draft. I like Williams' potential, but he's going to take some serious work to get there.

[northoakland510]

Trying to validate the Windhorst claim about Wiseman not wanting to interview with Minnesota and ended up on the Timberwolves board.

Those guys are cracking me up as they are pissed he doesn't want to play there and are saying to draft him anyway. I wonder back in 2009 if they said the hell with Curry not wanting to play here, we'll draft two other PGs before he gets picked to teach him a lesson!

I listened to that podcast and I recall the Doogie guy saying that. But I was just skimming through the podcast and could have missed the Windhorst part.

[northoakland510]

Windhorst apparently said wiseman won’t interview with Minnesota ...

is there a link for this?


Cant find anything.....

The podcast link is below. I remember the Doogie guy saying it in the first 10 minutes or so.

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cDovL2ZlZWRzLmh1YmJhcmRwb2RjYXN0cy5jb20vMTUwMGVzcG4vcG9kY2FzdC90aGVzY29vcA/episode/OTg0ZGIyZWUtNjYxNy00OGNkLWI5MTktYjZkNWJlODZjMTZk?hl=en&ved=2ahUKEwi7nZ7O3-HsAhXCoFsKHcRyATwQieUEegQIDhAF&ep=6

[wco81]

Only lock is Okoro and he might go 11th..

If he never develops a jump shot, he's a lock to be a minimum salary player.

[GQ Hot Dog]

Only lock is Okoro and he might go 11th..

If he never develops a jump shot, he's a lock to be a minimum salary player.

If he never develops a jump shot, he'll be a bigger, stronger, more athletic Tony Allen which seems like a solid addition to any contender's bench.

I'll still take Patrick Williams first but I have Okoro in my top-5.

[wco81]

Yeah ask Stanley Johnson, MKG and RHJ how that worked out.

They're athletic wings who can defend but can't hit shots so they're on marginal contracts barely staying in the league.

Every year, you get young, athletic wings entering the league. Teams are going to take chances on those rather than giving players, including lotto players, a chance to show they can make shots after not making shots for the first 4 or 5 years of their career.

Make or miss league, with heavy competition and new blood coming in all the time. You got your rookie contract to show what you can do. Wait until players come into the league directly from high school.

[Little Digger]

This what I like to hear friends my prospects..guys like Wiseman , Edwards and Ball scare me..they seem to avoid competition..


“There was a choice to either rest before the draft and just workout or play,” Avdija told Yahoo Sports. “Me, I’m competitive. I couldn’t leave my teammates and my coaches so I thought I needed to fight, and I wanted to win this championship to go off in a good and positive way.”

“I hope to show teams how big of a competitor I am. How I love to win and how I’ll always challenge myself,” Avdija said. “I just want to show them it’s just me being me, playing my game, practicing as hard as I can, shooting the ball, rebounding, playmaking, things I usually do well and we’ll see how it goes.”


https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-draft-the-next-luka-deni-avdija-ready-for-his-own-legacy-212955586.html

[wco81]

BTW, something I hadn't heard before. Myers was Dunleavy's agent, hence Dunleavy has a front office job.

I hope he turns out to be a great talent evaluator but doesn't have too much influence until he's had a few drafts to prove he'd good.

[Warriors Analyst]

BTW, something I hadn't heard before. Myers was Dunleavy's agent, hence Dunleavy has a front office job.

I hope he turns out to be a great talent evaluator but doesn't have too much influence until he's had a few drafts to prove he'd good.

Dunleavy went to go see Paschall practice with Villanova. I remember this because what Dun said about the experience is that he came away from it convinced Paschall could do more in the ball with his hands than he was asked to do in games. Connor LeTourneau seems to be the guy who has the most info on Dunleavy and his role. In a podcast a while back he mentioned that Dunleavy is a big adherent to positionless basketball and that he’s not one to put a huge priority on 7 footers.