Who's the G.O.A.T. ?

[KGtabake]

This thread didn't age well for the Lebron stans.

Aged pretty well for fans who can read. I figure Mike fans are not ageing well seeing their 6/6 / 30 ppg argument shrinking everyday.

15 seasons with 5 MVPs, 6FMVPs, 1 DPOY >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 17 seasons with 4 MVPs, 4 FMVPs, 0 DPOY.
(although this "debate"(lol) should have ended by what these two had accomplished in their 13th season respectively-----but hey, you don't want that, do you?)

Oh...at age 20 MJ was also an Olympic Champion.
LeBron at age 21 came 3rd in the Olympics without even seeing the court.....2 years later he finished 3rd again in the World Championships...greatness my man!

As you can see there are quite a few arguments that someone can post.

[lazybatman]

Heck, many people had Grant Hill over Pippen for most of the 90s as well. If only he didn't get that injury his legacy would be remembered even more.

I don't think anyone can debate who had better teammates. James and its not even close.

Even if one conceded the argument Pippen was the 2nd best player of the overall group (which is highly arguable and I think not true), the next like 3-5 players on the list are James teammates.

James:
Davis
Wade
Bosh
Irving
Love
Allen

Jordan:
Pippen
Rodman
Grant
Harper
Kukoc
Kerr

To the point, look how well accomplished James teammates were before James. Not ring winners (outside of Wade), but well established stud NBA players. MJ's cast was only something because of him. Only argument against, is Rodman as one trick pony or Kukoc in his Euro play.

Completely False. Jordan had the better teammates by far. I get surprised when people don't know this.

MJ had 15 teammates make an All NBA or All Defensive selections.
LBJ had 7 teammates make an All NBA or All Defensive selection.

It's not close.

The MJ sexuals don't realize Mike had all of them together - on one team, with Phil Jackson and Jerry Krause.

Is 34k points greater than 30 ppg ffs?

[lazybatman]

This thread didn't age well for the Lebron stans.

Aged pretty well for fans who can read. I figure Mike fans are not ageing well seeing their 6/6 / 30 ppg argument shrinking everyday.

15 seasons with 5 MVPs, 6FMVPs, 1 DPOY >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 17 seasons with 4 MVPs, 4 FMVPs, 0 DPOY.
(although this "debate"(lol) should have ended by what these two had accomplished in their 13th season respectively-----but hey, you don't want that, do you?)

Oh...at age 20 MJ was also an Olympic Champion.
LeBron at age 21 came 3rd in the Olympics without even seeing the court.....2 years later he finished 3rd again in the World Championships...greatness my man!

As you can see there are quite a few arguments that someone can post.

Aw, we going to the Mickey Mouse Olympics now? How about Super Mario Bros?

[lazybatman]

This thread didn't age well for the Lebron stans.

Aged pretty well for fans who can read. I figure Mike fans are not ageing well seeing their 6/6 / 30 ppg argument shrinking everyday.

Keep on chasing the ghost.

Funny you didn't post the entire vote. Are we supposed to take this seriously -

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Some more suggested categories -
- Who had the shinier head?
- Who was born on Jupiter?

One dude brought up the Olympics, and now this joke of a vote.. really shrinking out there for the Cult hate brigade.

[lazybatman]

On the subject of One-On-One, all of you old heads who claim to have watched basketball for multiple lifetimes, explain to me how a smaller, less athletic, weaker player wins in one-to-one without help D from Scottie & Dennis/Horace?

On offense, Lebron backs him down under the rim and finishes with either hand or just drives through with about a 100 lb extra on Mike. Michael will wriggle and squeak, but nothing much he can really do. No jumpers or any weak*ss BS. Just live at the rim and get 80-90% guaranteed without help defense.

On defense -
pre hand check era - Lebron hand checks him to the half court line(ooh did that hurt to think of)
post hand check era - swats his lame layup attempts disrespectfully. All Mike has left is the fadeaways. As great as that shot was, it's not yielding more than 50% on a good day(if you did in fact watch the games, and not some insecure docuseries), if that. Once he misses, it's OVER!! It's not close. Mike's losing like 21-4 or something like that. Lebron's gonna crush his balls and ego slowly and surgically.

I can imagine a few takes like "but Mike would never miss", "Mike's killer instinct / mental strength would prevail", "Mike will get that look in his eye", etc, but all of that is your glorified perception of the perfect human being that Mike was, far from the truth. Mike could / would do nothing more or less than what he did in his career.

[lazybatman]

Almost starting to feel bad for the cult now. Sorry fellows. At least you have Santa Clause at Christmas

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[ElectricMayhem]

Did I seriously just read 19 pages of GOAT conversation without a single mention of Jonas Jerebko?

[OdomFan]

Heck, many people had Grant Hill over Pippen for most of the 90s as well. If only he didn't get that injury his legacy would be remembered even more.

I don't think anyone can debate who had better teammates. James and its not even close.

Even if one conceded the argument Pippen was the 2nd best player of the overall group (which is highly arguable and I think not true), the next like 3-5 players on the list are James teammates.

James:
Davis
Wade
Bosh
Irving
Love
Allen

Jordan:
Pippen
Rodman
Grant
Harper
Kukoc
Kerr

To the point, look how well accomplished James teammates were before James. Not ring winners (outside of Wade), but well established stud NBA players. MJ's cast was only something because of him. Only argument against, is Rodman as one trick pony or Kukoc in his Euro play.

Completely False. Jordan had the better teammates by far. I get surprised when people don't know this.

MJ had 15 teammates make an All NBA or All Defensive selections.
LBJ had 7 teammates make an All NBA or All Defensive selection.

It's not close.

How does that make them individually better though? you have to remember that these are players from completely different era.
Let me put it this way.

If you have Jordans teammates and Lebrons teammates in the same era playing exactly the same way they played throughout those seasons that each player were selected All NBA or All Defensive selection in, who do you think would get more in that scenario? The only ones on MJs side that would stand a chance would be Pippen and Rodman. Davis, Wade, Irving, Bosh, and Love are all more talented players than anyone Jordan ever played alongside. Those guys were all star athletes before Lebron ever played with them ffs. They were established with out him.

The only Jordan teammates that were established starting caliber players in the NBA without him was Robert Parish, Dennis Rodman and Ron Harper. All of which were past their primes (or close to it) by the time they came over to join Michael Jordan.

Let's face it. When it comes down to it Lebron Ball is a major reason why many great players that Lebron has played with's number went down when they played with him. They all came over and instantly became catch and shoot players within that Point Forward system of his where as with Jordan and the Bulls the whole triangle offense WAS the playmaker in itself. This giving more people opportunities to create plays for each other, and that's how they were able to accomplish so much like the 72 and 10 record, the two 3 peats, etc. They had the greatest player ever leading the way, but they also had the privilege of playing within one of the greatest offensive systems of all time which ended up helping Jordan along with them.

[lazybatman]

One of them still got called The Goat, FMVP & Champion that year..

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4 points in 36 minutes for the greatest scorer ever

[lazybatman]

Lebron haters Cult be like this now

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[twyzted]

LeBron has all the playoff records and Jordan never came close and even though MJ held the #1 spot for a lot of these categories he has now been passed up by James in the following: Points, Steals, Game Winners, Win Shares and as we know the list goes on and on. They are nearly unbreakable records so good luck to anyone that wants to give it a go.

Playoffs
Most points in a playoff game
63 by Michael Jordan, Chicago Bulls

Most field goals made in a game.
24 by Michael Jordan, Chicago Bulls scored 55 of 106 bulls points in a win.

Most consecutive field goals made in a game playoffs and finals record
13 by Michael Jordan, Chicago Bulls vs. Los Angeles Lakers on June 5, 1991

Most free throws made in a quarter
13 by Michael Jordan, Chicago Bulls vs. Detroit Pistons on May 21, 1991

3-game series
Most points - 135 by Michael Jordan, Chicago Bulls (vs. Miami Heat), 1992 (45.0 ppg)

Most field goals made - 53 by Michael Jordan, Chicago Bulls (vs. Miami Heat), 1992 (53/87, 60.9%)
Highest free throw percentage (min. 15 attempts) - 100% by Michael Jordan, Chicago Bulls (vs. Washington Bullets), 1997 (15/15)

5-game series
Most points - 226 by Michael Jordan, Chicago Bulls (vs. Cleveland Cavaliers), 1988 (45.2 ppg

Most field goals made - 86 by Michael Jordan, Chicago Bulls (vs. Philadelphia 76ers), 1990

Most field goals made - 101 by Michael Jordan, Chicago Bulls (vs. Phoenix Suns), 1993

Most points
759 by Michael Jordan, Chicago Bulls, 1992

Highest points per game average (min. 25 games)
33.45 by Michael Jordan (179 games)

Most 50-point games
8 by Michael Jordan - Lebron has 1.

Most 40-point games
38 by Michael Jordan - Lebron has 27

Only player to score 15+ points in every game (min. 25 games) Michael Jordan (179 games)
Lebron will never beat this

Only player to record consecutive 50-point games
Michael Jordan scored 50 and 55 points in Games 1 and 2 of the 1988 Eastern Conference First Round (Chicago Bulls vs. Cleveland Cavaliers).

Most consecutive 45-point games
3 by Michael Jordan (May 9–13, 1990)

Most consecutive 20-point games
60 by Michael Jordan (June 2, 1989 – May 11, 1993)
lebron will never break
Most consecutive 15-point games
179 by Michael Jordan. This streak entails every playoff game of Jordan's career.
Lebron wont break

Most consecutive 10-point games
179 by Michael Jordan. This streak entails every playoff game of Jordan's career
lebron cant break it

Highest Player Efficiency Rating
28.60 by Michael Jordan

Finals
Most points in a half
35 by Michael Jordan, Chicago Bulls

Most field goals made in a half
14 by Isiah Thomas, Detroit Pistons June 19, 1988
14 by Michael Jordan, Chicago Bulls June 3, 1992
14 by Michael Jordan, Chicago Bulls June 16, 1993

Most points per game in an NBA Championship series
41.0 by Michael Jordan, Chicago Bulls (vs. Phoenix Suns), 1993

Only players to score at least 30 points in every game
Michael Jordan, Chicago Bulls (vs. Phoenix Suns), 1993 (6 games) elgin bayler, shaq, durant, rick barry and hakeem also did it.

Most steals - 14 by Michael Jordan, Chicago Bulls (vs. Los Angeles Lakers), 1991 (2.8 spg) 5 game serie.

6-game series
Most points - 246 by Michael Jordan, Chicago Bulls 1993 (41.0 ppg)
Most field goals made - 101 by Michael Jordan, Chicago Bulls 1993

Most consecutive 40 point games
4 by Michael Jordan (June 11–18, 1993)

Only player to score 20+ points in all games
(min. 15 games)
Michael Jordan (35 games)
lebron cant break it

40-point scoring duos
41 by LeBron James and Kyrie Irving, Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden State Warriors on June 13, 2016

Most games
260 by LeBron James

Most minutes
10,049 by LeBron James

Most points
6,911 by LeBron James

Most 30-point games
110 by LeBron James

Most 20-point games
214 by LeBron James

Most 10-point games
237 by LeBron James

Most field goals made
2,457 by LeBron James

Most field goals attempted
5,006 by LeBron James

Most field goals missed
2,549 by LeBron James

Most free throws made
1,627 by LeBron James

Most steals
419 by LeBron James

Most turnovers
866 by LeBron James.

Finals

40-point scoring duos
41 by LeBron James and Kyrie Irving, Cleveland Cavaliers vs. Golden State Warriors on June 13, 2016

Most points by a duo in a loss
77 by LeBron James (39) and Kyrie Irving (38), Cleveland Cavaliers June 7, 2017

Most points by a trio in a loss
93 by LeBron James (39), Kyrie Irving (38), and J.R. Smith (16), Cleveland Cavaliers June 7, 2017

LeBron James (39), Kyrie Irving (38), Cleveland Cavaliers and Kevin Durant (31), Klay Thompson (30), Golden State Warriors on June 7, 2017

LeBron James (39), Kyrie Irving (38), Cleveland Cavaliers on June 7, 2017 and Kyrie Irving (40), LeBron James (31), Cleveland Cavaliers on June 9, 2017

Triple-double per game average in the NBA Finals
LeBron James: 33.6 points, 12.0 rebounds, and 10.0 assists, Cleveland Cavaliers ,2017

Most defensive rebounds
395 by LeBron James

Most turnovers
196 by LeBron James (he in fact does not have the most assists)

Most triple-doubles
10 by LeBron James

Jordan has 30 records

Lebron has 22.

So no lebron does not have all the records.


i think this is the 5th time i post this but you still go around spewing this bs

[twyzted]

One of them still got called The Goat, FMVP & Champion that year..

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4 points in 36 minutes for the greatest scorer ever

Thats a lie.
But since you want to take 3 game sample
Lebron in his first 9 finals
Avg 7points in the 4th with 1turnover and 1 assist

Jordan in his last 2 finals
10 points in the 4th 2 assists with .3 turnovers.

But this is a great example of Living Rent Free.
You have been working overtime in looking for cherrypicked tweets.

"Not counting free throws"
I wonder why...
Lebron in the last 3 games of 11 finals shot a total of
drum roll
ZERO FREE THROWS

[KGtabake]

Aged pretty well for fans who can read. I figure Mike fans are not ageing well seeing their 6/6 / 30 ppg argument shrinking everyday.

15 seasons with 5 MVPs, 6FMVPs, 1 DPOY >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 17 seasons with 4 MVPs, 4 FMVPs, 0 DPOY.
(although this "debate"(lol) should have ended by what these two had accomplished in their 13th season respectively-----but hey, you don't want that, do you?)

Oh...at age 20 MJ was also an Olympic Champion.
LeBron at age 21 came 3rd in the Olympics without even seeing the court.....2 years later he finished 3rd again in the World Championships...greatness my man!

As you can see there are quite a few arguments that someone can post.

Aw, we going to the Mickey Mouse Olympics now? How about Super Mario Bros?

We can go anywhere you like but the fact remains.
You can't debate because the facts cannot be ignored.
NBA, FIBA....anywhere.
The sooner you accept it, the better for your mental health.

[lazybatman]

15 seasons with 5 MVPs, 6FMVPs, 1 DPOY >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 17 seasons with 4 MVPs, 4 FMVPs, 0 DPOY.
(although this "debate"(lol) should have ended by what these two had accomplished in their 13th season respectively-----but hey, you don't want that, do you?)

Oh...at age 20 MJ was also an Olympic Champion.
LeBron at age 21 came 3rd in the Olympics without even seeing the court.....2 years later he finished 3rd again in the World Championships...greatness my man!

As you can see there are quite a few arguments that someone can post.

Aw, we going to the Mickey Mouse Olympics now? How about Super Mario Bros?

We can go anywhere you like but the fact remains.
You can't debate because the facts cannot be ignored.
NBA, FIBA....anywhere.
The sooner you accept it, the better for your mental health.

You got me all aroused at the mention of the word 'facts', so let me respond.

Shaq, Kobe, T-Mac and KG didn't go to those Olympics. Lebron was a 20 year old who played for a total of 17 minutes in the 3 elimination games. Averaged 27-7-7 for the season in NBA though, closing the season with a .500+ record with that Cavs team.

Do you know where MJ was when he was 20? Sucking his mom's tits in NCAA averaging 20 ppg. Without Scottie, he has only had a .500 record twice - 2013-14 and 2015-16 with Charlotte Hornets. Even they suck since he became owner.

At 21, Lebron had 31-7-7 season @ 48% FG. MJ still sucking his mum's tits.

Feel like retiring for mental health issues like your supreme leader?

[KGtabake]

Aw, we going to the Mickey Mouse Olympics now? How about Super Mario Bros?

We can go anywhere you like but the fact remains.
You can't debate because the facts cannot be ignored.
NBA, FIBA....anywhere.
The sooner you accept it, the better for your mental health.

You got me all aroused at the mention of the word 'facts', so let me respond.

Shaq, Kobe, T-Mac and KG didn't go to those Olympics. Lebron was a 20 year old who played for a total of 17 minutes in the 3 elimination games. Averaged 27-7-7 for the season in NBA though, closing the season with a .500+ record with that Cavs team.

Do you know where MJ was when he was 20? Sucking his mom's tits in NCAA averaging 20 ppg. Without Scottie, he has only had a .500 record twice - 2013-14 and 2015-16 with Charlotte Hornets. Even they suck since he became owner.

Feel like retiring for mental health issues like your supreme leader?

MJ in 1984, at the age of 20 won a gold medal with the US, leading the team's scoring.
He also had won an NCAA title by the age of 18.

Shaq, Kobe and KG didn't go in 2004??? And?
Neither Magic, Bird, Moses, Dr. J etc. went in 1984.
Duncan, Iverson, Marbury, Stoudemire, Marion along with his peers Melo, Wade went in 2004 though.

And 2 years later? In 2006?
What happened then? LeBron lost to this guy:



It was only after Kobe decided to give a hand in 2008, that LeBron became a winner with TeamUSA.

And yes, the Hornets suck and MJ sucks as an owner.
And?

You guys look hopeless...

[Lukeem]

One of them still got called The Goat, FMVP & Champion that year..

Read on Twitter

4 points in 36 minutes for the greatest scorer ever

Thats a lie.
But since you want to take 3 game sample
Lebron in his first 9 finals
Avg 7points in the 4th with 1turnover and 1 assist

Jordan in his last 2 finals
10 points in the 4th 2 assists with .3 turnovers.

But this is a great example of Living Rent Free.
You have been working overtime in looking for cherrypicked tweets.

"Not counting free throws"
I wonder why...
Lebron in the last 3 games of 11 finals shot a total of
drum roll
ZERO FREE THROWS

Read your last two posts here, see the hypocrisy yet? Or you just going to keep on trucking with your blinders on ?

[AgentGreen]

Aged pretty well for fans who can read. I figure Mike fans are not ageing well seeing their 6/6 / 30 ppg argument shrinking everyday.

Keep on chasing the ghost.

Funny you didn't post the entire vote. Are we supposed to take this seriously -

Read on Twitter

Some more suggested categories -
- Who had the shinier head?
- Who was born on Jupiter?

One dude brought up the Olympics, and now this joke of a vote.. really shrinking out there for the Cult hate brigade.

Hard to digest isn't it when the player attributes votes according to NBA followers are against you. I know it is quite tough for you to realise that the NBA exists way longer than your King has played in this leage. And that there was a guy who did everything even better i.e. has a 100% winning percentage in the NBA Finals, 10X scoring Champion in a tougher defensive era. Who for most of us NBA followers, according to the votes as well, is the true GOAT.

[twyzted]

One of them still got called The Goat, FMVP & Champion that year..

Read on Twitter

4 points in 36 minutes for the greatest scorer ever

Thats a lie.
But since you want to take 3 game sample
Lebron in his first 9 finals
Avg 7points in the 4th with 1turnover and 1 assist

Jordan in his last 2 finals
10 points in the 4th 2 assists with .3 turnovers.

But this is a great example of Living Rent Free.
You have been working overtime in looking for cherrypicked tweets.

"Not counting free throws"
I wonder why...
Lebron in the last 3 games of 11 finals shot a total of
drum roll
ZERO FREE THROWS

Read your last two posts here, see the hypocrisy yet? Or you just going to keep on trucking with your blinders on ?

I posted their playoff records.
And it is a lie that Jordan only scored 4 points.
No hypocrisy in it
Only facts who are easy to check up.

But you sure do stan hard for the guy you dont even like

[twyzted]

LeBron fans slowly morphing into someone else's talking about rigged voting and conspiracy theories.

This 100%
Herd mentality.
Jordan sexuals.
Cultists.
Old heads.
You dont see the light.
Im so woke.
Its a techinque used by people who run out of material to debate against someone. They resort to name calling, taking thing out of context or just ignore the comment and keep on trucking.

[lazybatman]

Hard to digest isn't it when the player attributes votes according to NBA followers are against you. I know it is quite tough for you to realise that the NBA exists way longer than your King has played in this leage. And that there was a guy who did everything even better i.e. has a 100% winning percentage in the NBA Finals, 10X scoring Champion in a tougher defensive era. Who for most of us NBA followers, according to the votes as well, is the true GOAT.

Not at all.. Potatoes and stupidity have always been in abundance in this world.