The Lebron Thread | 2021 & Offseason

[70sFan]

I mean the fact that ADs run is good enough that duncan fans now hate him show how how good his run was lmao.

Saying that Davis didn't play as well as peak Duncan isn't the same as hating him. It just means that we don't see this comparison in the same way.

Who among Duncan fans really hate Davis? I don't see anyone doing that on PC Board.

[MyUniBroDavis]

I mean the fact that ADs run is good enough that duncan fans now hate him show how how good his run was lmao.

Saying that Davis didn't play as well as peak Duncan isn't the same as hating him. It just means that we don't see this comparison in the same way.

Who among Duncan fans really hate Davis? I don't see anyone doing that on PC Board.

I wasnt talking about u lol altho i get why ud think so

I got warned for mentionjng another poster so i wont but theres a guy pretty salted lol

[70sFan]

I mean the fact that ADs run is good enough that duncan fans now hate him show how how good his run was lmao.

Saying that Davis didn't play as well as peak Duncan isn't the same as hating him. It just means that we don't see this comparison in the same way.

Who among Duncan fans really hate Davis? I don't see anyone doing that on PC Board.

I wasnt talking about u lol altho i get why ud think so

I got warned for mentionjng another poster so i wont but theres a guy pretty salted lol

Maybe I missed him/her then

[MyUniBroDavis]

Saying that Davis didn't play as well as peak Duncan isn't the same as hating him. It just means that we don't see this comparison in the same way.

Who among Duncan fans really hate Davis? I don't see anyone doing that on PC Board.

I wasnt talking about u lol altho i get why ud think so

I got warned for mentionjng another poster so i wont but theres a guy pretty salted lol

Maybe I missed him/her then

Prolly did lol, im suprised u thought i was talkjng about u i agree with u 90% of the time lmfao

[kayess]

He had a site called 20 Second Timeout. And I wouldn't hold my breath. He's probably still linking to his previous articles about LeBron quitting in the Finals to this day. I wasn't even a particular fan of LeBron, but the repetitiveness of his writing just started getting on my nerves after a while.

Yes!! 20secondtimeout!! Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/979/

Yes, his writing style was grating. Shame because he had some great points to make at times. But just misguided overall (like picking Kobe > Duncan due to "no skill set weakness", because Tim was a worse free throw shooter)

He tended to hinge a lot of his arguments on very specific "facts" that were unlikely to change.

For example, I happen agree with him that Kobe had "no skill set weaknesses" (except shot selection if you consider that a skill) in the sense that there was no particular area of the game in which he simply wasn't capable of performing at a relatively high level. Of course that in itself doesn't mean he was better than anyone else who had some kind of obvious weakness; overall impact is what matters and there were others who had more of that than Kobe. However, it was highly unlikely that LeBron for instance would develop as many scoring moves as Kobe or develop into an 83% FT shooter, so Friedman could keep going back to that well whenever the comparison came up.

Similarly, if I recall correctly the crux of his Federer argument was that Federer couldn't be the GOAT when Nadal had such a major head-to-head advantage over Federer. Now of course most of that advantage was accumulated on clay where Nadal has been pretty much supernatural and was therefore more likely to meet someone like Federer in a tournament, so the rebuttal might be something like "if you could spread out their matchups across all surfaces Federer's more complete game would give him the edge" (and in fact Federer has a 14-10 advantage on other surfaces). Of course, in reality the greatest proportion of their matchups were always likely to occur on clay, meaning Friedman could continue being "right" in his mind.

I was initially drawn to his detailed game breakdowns, and as a Kobe fan it seemed like he was one of the few writers who actually appreciated and highlighted the completeness of Kobe's game. After a while though, his repetitive (and often biased) arguments started to become more and more irritating. I remember when he wrote a piece bashing PJ Carlesimo for using rookie KD at SG, and then proceeded to link this article at every opportunity as if he'd been the lone voice of reason arguing that KD was really a SF!

Yeah that's pretty much it. It's the "Carmelo's a more well rounded scorer than Shaq" argument. Yeah he has more moves... But Shaq just did more with his "lesser" moves.

The Nadal stuff was really grating too, obviously. I mean, they start playing on faster surfaces and suddenly Federer is DESTROYING Nadal, wow, what a coincidence. Federer benefited from the homogeneity of surface speeds too, but he won Wimbledon when it was super fast AND slow, Australia too, and is basically invincible in indoor fast hard courts (ie, the most-bubble like tennis gets; it's purely down to shotmaking). I can understand him thinking Bjorg could've been GOAT or was, but Nadal? lol

[kayess]

I mean the fact that ADs run is good enough that duncan fans now hate him show how how good his run was lmao.

Saying that Davis didn't play as well as peak Duncan isn't the same as hating him. It just means that we don't see this comparison in the same way.

Who among Duncan fans really hate Davis? I don't see anyone doing that on PC Board.

I wasnt talking about u lol altho i get why ud think so

I got warned for mentionjng another poster so i wont but theres a guy pretty salted lol

Oh **** I hope it wasn't me. I mentioned something about that peak thread making me re-evaluate things but I don't think I even concluded it haha

[MyUniBroDavis]

Saying that Davis didn't play as well as peak Duncan isn't the same as hating him. It just means that we don't see this comparison in the same way.

Who among Duncan fans really hate Davis? I don't see anyone doing that on PC Board.

I wasnt talking about u lol altho i get why ud think so

I got warned for mentionjng another poster so i wont but theres a guy pretty salted lol

Oh **** I hope it wasn't me. I mentioned something about that peak thread making me re-evaluate things but I don't think I even concluded it haha

Lmao it wasnt lol de

[D.Brasco]

A 22 year old kid dragging one of the worst supporting casts ever to the NBA finals, can't believe some people still try to hold this against LeBron

[KTM_2813]

A 22 year old kid dragging one of the worst supporting casts ever to the NBA finals, can't believe some people still try to hold this against LeBron

I was perusing the stats for that series the other day and realized a couple of things: One, each game was actually somewhat respectable, with the last two being basically even; and two, Larry Hughes missed two games of the series. Even though it was a sweep, it wasn't a complete massacre. I feel like the Heat got drubbed worse in 2014 than the Cavs did in 2007, but my memory is also pretty spotty.

[TheGOATRises007]

A 22 year old kid dragging one of the worst supporting casts ever to the NBA finals, can't believe some people still try to hold this against LeBron

After going back and checking the series stats a while back, not sure if I'd use the word "drag."

Lebron did way way more dragging in 2018 than in 2007.

[D.Brasco]

This goes against too commonly held assumptions

[nzahir]

This goes against too commonly held assumptions

Anyone verify these numbers?

[xb3at band1tx]

Rumor has it LA is gonna try to get Ibaka. I doubt they get him with his price tag being high, but man he'd be perfect next to Davis.

[D.Brasco]

[Dupp]

Say you could get gallo or Ibaka for full mle which one do you take?

[frica]

Justin Gatlin at 38 is still the #2 rated sprinter in the world.
He received his first 100m sprint gold in 2004, last in 2017. Surely Lebron's longevity isn't anything special compared to *that*.

And Justin doesn't have extreme skill and passing to fall back on, his sport is determined purely by athleticism.

[andyhop]

Justin Gatlin at 38 is still the #2 rated sprinter in the world.
He received his first 100m sprint gold in 2004, last in 2017. Surely Lebron's longevity isn't anything special compared to *that*.

And Justin doesn't have extreme skill and passing to fall back on, his sport is determined purely by the drugs you take.

fyp

[Baski]

Say you could get gallo or Ibaka for full mle which one do you take?

Ibaka. Ibaka provides shooting and defense. Gallo provides better shooting than Ibaka. They may need more shooting but you can never have too much defense.

[The Master]

Say you could get gallo or Ibaka for full mle which one do you take?

Gallo easily, he's not as big liability on D as people think he is - and his offensive contribution would be crucial for Lakers, he averaged over 4 OBPM and 31PTS/100 possessions on 62 TS% last two seasons. I'm very confident Lakers would still be elite on D.

Ibaka would be good pickup as well, but I don't think Lakers that much need another frontcourt addition to spend full MLE for it, especially in context of postseason where AD played lot of minutes as a center.

I'm afraid Lakers won't get none of them though.

[Mazter]

This goes against too commonly held assumptions

Anyone verify these numbers?

It's kinda funny you had to ask. I mean, there is tons of data missing from before 1996. So once in a while some "stat geek" decides to rack up some stats, probably by re-watching the tapes, and the results are not always in favor of "the eye test" or the narrative there is based mainly on raw stats. Leaving people baffled and wondering whether the data is correct. The LeBron (a 3PA and 2 FTA missing) and Kobe (the 2004 FG stats missing) stats are close enough. The 97-98 stats of Jordan are on par with his complete stats, so it might as well be true.