Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIX

[TGW]

Second on Jones. He's a bulldog. the Wizards need that on this soft ass team.

[WizarDynasty]

just want to go on record and say that I would gamble and trade beal for anthony edwards and wiggins. Getting a guy like Andrew won't come around again for another 20 years and Beal is already gone. He already brought a house out in california. Leonsis needs to get ahead of this quickly.

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just want to go on record and say that I would gamble and trade beal for anthony edwards and wiggins. Getting a guy like Andrew won't come around again for another 20 years and Beal is already gone. He already brought a house out in california. Leonsis needs to get ahead of this quickly.

Every player on a team should be available to trade -- it depends on what you get for the guy. Period.

I take it you are suggesting we trade Beal to GS for the #2 pick in this draft & Andrew Wiggins. Then draft Anthony Edwards (assuming he doesn't go #1). That's enough to get for him. Because, I guess...

...you really like Anthony Edwards a lot & think he's going to become an outstanding NBA player -- is that right?

...& you think Andrew Wiggins is so good that the chance to get a player as good as he is only comes one time every 20 years -- is that right?

Now, since we got both Wall & Beal within the last ten years, not twenty, both of them not just one of them, I take it you think that Andrew Wiggins is better than Wall & Beal combined -- is that right?

[WizarDynasty]

...& you think Andrew Wiggins is so good that the chance to get a player as good as he is only comes one time every 20 years -- is that right?

AWiggins is horrible. But I would rather have him and Andrew than 1 year of Beal. Beal is a scorer, not a two way player, and Andrew can fill his shoes, and has much less wear and tear. Now if I new that Beal was committed to Wizards, then I wouldn't do the trade. But you don't just buy a house on the other side of the country.
If you get a chance at top 3 shooting guard in the league for years to come versus loosing your shooting guard for nothing, then be smart like New Orleans did. Beal is telling you he is leaving politely and he doesn't have the same value as Anthony Davis.

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...& you think Andrew Wiggins is so good that the chance to get a player as good as he is only comes one time every 20 years -- is that right?

AWiggins is horrible. But I would rather have him and Andrew than 1 year of Beal....

Ok... I think "him and Andrew" is telling me that you mean the other guy: Anthony Edwards is that rare "once in a while" talent you meant -- not "Andrew" (i.e. Wiggins).

You'd rather roll the dice on Anthony Edwards (the cost of which would be to take on Wiggins' contract) than risk losing Beal for nothing. I.e....

...If you get a chance at top 3 shooting guard in the league for years to come versus losing your shooting guard for nothing, then be smart ....

That guy being Anthony Edwards -- & of course it's definitely "a chance," in that he might not turn out as great as his talent would make possible...

Got it. I don't disagree with your thinking on this.

[Ruzious]

Reports are that OrlandO is looking to trade into the lottery to get a point guard. They have the 15th pick. Any chance they offer 15 and Bomba for 9 (Hayes or Haliburton) and Wagner and Robinson? We use 15 on S Bey or Nesmith.

[pcbothwel]

Reports are that OrlandO is looking to trade into the lottery to get a point guard. They have the 15th pick. Any chance they offer 15 and Bomba for 9 (Hayes or Haliburton) and Wagner and Robinson? We use 15 on S Bey or Nesmith.

Aminu, Bamba, 15, 47 for Ish, Wagner, Robinson, 9

Value wise its great, but I would worry about Precious and Jalen Smith both falling, and we simply cant have Bryant, Bamba, and Smith on the team... too many assets spent on single position players (And the least important).

Thought Hampton at 15 would REALLY hard to turn down.

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Aminu has been an underrated player; he's had a really good career. OTOH, his numbers & his minutes both fell off a cliff this season -- was he injured?

The trade would move Smith, so he wouldn't be on the team as you seem to be suggesting. It also moves 1 Center (Wagner) & brings another in (Bamba), so we're not really changing by much the assets we spend on Center.

[WizarDynasty]

Aminu has been an underrated player; he's had a really good career. OTOH, his numbers & his minutes both fell off a cliff this season -- was he injured?

The trade would move Smith, so he wouldn't be on the team as you seem to be suggesting. It also moves 1 Center (Wagner) & brings another in (Bamba), so we're not really changing by much the assets we spend on Center.

Big problem with Aminu is he can't maintain deep hip bend extended duration offensively while dribbling. He can only move in straight line offensively and he is usually out of control. It's all related to not being able to maintain a deep hip bend. Otherwise, decent option. He was guy I support a while back.

[nate33]

Reports are that OrlandO is looking to trade into the lottery to get a point guard. They have the 15th pick. Any chance they offer 15 and Bomba for 9 (Hayes or Haliburton) and Wagner and Robinson? We use 15 on S Bey or Nesmith.

Aminu, Bamba, 15, 47 for Ish, Wagner, Robinson, 9

Value wise its great, but I would worry about Precious and Jalen Smith both falling, and we simply cant have Bryant, Bamba, and Smith on the team... too many assets spent on single position players (And the least important).

Thought Hampton at 15 would REALLY hard to turn down.

You could do the same deal, but leave out Aminu and Robinson. It still works. I'd rather have Robinson's smaller, shorter contract. I'd probably try and resign Napier in this scenario. Even if we drafted a PG in the 2nd round like Pritchard, I'm uncomfortable with only one rookie PG to back up Wall.

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That's pretty sensible, nate -- not that Robinson seems likely to stick but that our moves should be longer term. &, yes, re-sign Napier in that case.

[dckingsfan]

Reports are that OrlandO is looking to trade into the lottery to get a point guard. They have the 15th pick. Any chance they offer 15 and Bomba for 9 (Hayes or Haliburton) and Wagner and Robinson? We use 15 on S Bey or Nesmith.

Aminu, Bamba, 15, 47 for Ish, Wagner, Robinson, 9

Value wise its great, but I would worry about Precious and Jalen Smith both falling, and we simply cant have Bryant, Bamba, and Smith on the team... too many assets spent on single position players (And the least important).

Though Hampton at 15 would REALLY hard to turn down.

You could do the same deal, but leave out Aminu and Robinson. It still works. I'd rather have Robinson's smaller, shorter contract. I'd probably try and resign Napier in this scenario. Even if we drafted a PG in the 2nd round like Pritchard, I'm uncomfortable with only one rookie PG to back up Wall.

Yeah, I do either of those trades and resign Napier. And if Orlando gets the PG they want it would be win/win. I like a Bamba/Bertans combo both on offense and defense. Bamba/Bryant, Rui/Bertans would be interesting...

[Ruzious]

Reports are that OrlandO is looking to trade into the lottery to get a point guard. They have the 15th pick. Any chance they offer 15 and Bomba for 9 (Hayes or Haliburton) and Wagner and Robinson? We use 15 on S Bey or Nesmith.

Aminu, Bamba, 15, 47 for Ish, Wagner, Robinson, 9

Value wise its great, but I would worry about Precious and Jalen Smith both falling, and we simply cant have Bryant, Bamba, and Smith on the team... too many assets spent on single position players (And the least important).

Thought Hampton at 15 would REALLY hard to turn down.

You could do the same deal, but leave out Aminu and Robinson. It still works. I'd rather have Robinson's smaller, shorter contract. I'd probably try and resign Napier in this scenario. Even if we drafted a PG in the 2nd round like Pritchard, I'm uncomfortable with only one rookie PG to back up Wall.

Yeah, with Aminu coming off a knee injury and being 30, I wouldn't expect him to be the same player - and paying him $10 mil a year for 2 seasons, he's not worth that risk, imo. Plus, look at the roster - how would we get him adequate playing time - assuming no injuries - particularly to him? I guess if that's what it takes (Aminu's 2nd year) to get Orlando to make the trade, I'd consider it, but we might regret that next offseason.

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Ruz's original version of this trade was #9, Wagner & Robinson for #15 & Bamba. Nate's refinement of pcb's version of the trade substitutes Ish for Robinson, & we also get the #45 pick (not #47).

We save $2.3m in salary in this version. Plus we get a pick which, had we bought it, would have cost @$2m. So... financially it's much better.

OTOH, as nate points out, Ish being gone means we'd likely want to re-sign Napier. I assume he could be re-signed for something around $4m...? That evens things out financially.

So, we'd have Napier & a rookie rather than Ish. On their careers & on last season's numbers overall, Napier & Ish look to be fairly close, with Napier slightly better. Since he's also 3 years younger than Ish, & (presumably) we'd have an option on him for next year, I'd rather have Napier.

The problem comes when you ask: would you rather have Napier & Robinson? Or Ish?

[Ruzious]

Ruz's original version of this trade was #9, Wagner & Robinson for #15 & Bamba. Nate's refinement of pcb's version of the trade substitutes Ish for Robinson, & we also get the #45 pick (not #47).

We save $2.3m in salary in this version. Plus we get a pick which, had we bought it, would have cost @$2m. So... financially it's much better.

OTOH, as nate points out, Ish being gone means we'd likely want to re-sign Napier. I assume he could be re-signed for something around $4m...? That evens things out financially.

So, we'd have Napier & a rookie rather than Ish. On their careers & on last season's numbers overall, Napier & Ish look to be fairly close, with Napier slightly better. Since he's also 3 years younger than Ish, & (presumably) we'd have an option on him for next year, I'd rather have Napier.

The problem comes when you ask: would you rather have Napier & Robinson? Or Ish?

I'd rather have box # 3 - just Napier, thank you.

[TGW]

Is Beal for #1, #10, #17, and #33 a fair trade on paper?

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Is Beal for #1, #10, #17, and #33 a fair trade on paper?

A man after my own heart!!

Plus, if we followed up with that radical set of trades-down I proposed a month or so ago -- we could easily wind up with 11 or 12 rookies!

To be serious for a moment, or try to anyway, it would be almost impossible to assess the "fairness" of a move like that. It could turn out to be a disaster, or it could turn out to be one of the great trades in history -- everything would depend on how those 4 guys (whoever they were) turned out.

The T-Wolves do have 3 of those picks -- but the Suns have #10. So how would you arrange it?

[pcbothwel]

Is Beal for #1, #10, #17, and #33 a fair trade on paper?

Yes, the value is enough, but we need a premium pick in 21/22... so it depends on what another team would give us for 1.

[TGW]

Is Beal for #1, #10, #17, and #33 a fair trade on paper?

A man after my own heart!!

Plus, if we followed up with that radical set of trades-down I proposed a month or so ago -- we could easily wind up with 11 or 12 rookies!

To be serious for a moment, or try to anyway, it would be almost impossible to assess the "fairness" of a move like that. It could turn out to be a disaster, or it could turn out to be one of the great trades in history -- everything would depend on how those 4 guys (whoever they were) turned out.

The T-Wolves do have 3 of those picks -- but the Suns have #10. So how would you arrange it?

LOL--the amount of rookies would be ridiculous, but it's a message board...and I'm bored.

Essentially, the deal would be booker to minny, beal and culver to suns, #1, #10, #17, #33 to Wiz or something to that affect. We would have a bunch of rookies and second/third year players, but at least it's a jumpstart on the rebuild.

[Ruzious]

Is Beal for #1, #10, #17, and #33 a fair trade on paper?

A man after my own heart!!

Plus, if we followed up with that radical set of trades-down I proposed a month or so ago -- we could easily wind up with 11 or 12 rookies!

To be serious for a moment, or try to anyway, it would be almost impossible to assess the "fairness" of a move like that. It could turn out to be a disaster, or it could turn out to be one of the great trades in history -- everything would depend on how those 4 guys (whoever they were) turned out.

The T-Wolves do have 3 of those picks -- but the Suns have #10. So how would you arrange it?

And then of course you'd trade down from 1 to get 3 more picks.