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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1401 » by whatisacenter » Mon Nov 2, 2020 2:03 am

The-Power wrote:Okoro is a good defensive prospect but people who paint him as the second coming of Scottie Pippen on that end are way off. Okoro is not nearly as disruptive as most good defensive wings were in college already. And yeah, his inability to shoot is definitely a big deal.

I like the kid, but some of you guys are going way overboard with him (with pointless redundancy (or obsession even), I'd like to add).


I agree, I like him but worry about his shot and I wouldn’t use a top 2 pick on him. Yes he has motor and defensive instincts but I worry that his length is not enough to be as effective in the nba when he is matched up against elite players that are as athletic as he is and longer.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1402 » by Little Digger » Mon Nov 2, 2020 2:20 am

When I go on and on about Okoro on this draft thread, it’s all comparatively speaking..

Oh also if you guys have had enough of my talking him up, there’s a easy access ignore button on here..Please use ..I actually love the idea of being ignored by some of you..
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1403 » by Little Digger » Mon Nov 2, 2020 2:25 am

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The-Power wrote:Okoro is a good defensive prospect but people who paint him as the second coming of Scottie Pippen on that end are way off. Okoro is not nearly as disruptive as most good defensive wings were in college already. And yeah, his inability to shoot is definitely a big deal.

I like the kid, but some of you guys are going way overboard with him (with pointless redundancy (or obsession even), I'd like to add).


I agree, I like him but worry about his shot and I wouldn’t use a top 2 pick on him. Yes he has motor and defensive instincts but I worry that his length is not enough to be as effective in the nba when he is matched up against elite players that are as athletic as he is and longer.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1404 » by xdrta+ » Mon Nov 2, 2020 2:27 am

Little Digger wrote:When I go on and on about Okoro on this draft thread, it’s all comparatively speaking..

Oh also if you guys have had enough of my talking him up, there’s a easy access ignore button on here..Please use ..I actually love the idea of being ignored by some of you..


Works both ways if you love it that much.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1405 » by Little Digger » Mon Nov 2, 2020 2:33 am

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Little Digger wrote:When I go on and on about Okoro on this draft thread, it’s all comparatively speaking..

Oh also if you guys have had enough of my talking him up, there’s a easy access ignore button on here..Please use ..I actually love the idea of being ignored by some of you..


Works both ways if you love it that much.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1406 » by wco81 » Mon Nov 2, 2020 2:55 am

Little Digger wrote:Also could imply he’s once again avoiding competition..I’m not sold on Wiseman..Yet..


Or he wants to start from day 1 but with KAT there and his huge contract, he'd be lucky to get 20-25 minutes a game.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1407 » by Little Digger » Mon Nov 2, 2020 3:16 am

wco81 wrote:
Little Digger wrote:Also could imply he’s once again avoiding competition..I’m not sold on Wiseman..Yet..


Or he wants to start from day 1 but with KAT there and his huge contract, he'd be lucky to get 20-25 minutes a game.
I doubt he’ll get more than 25 minutes a game here
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1408 » by HiRez » Mon Nov 2, 2020 3:16 am

Little Digger wrote:When I go on and on about Okoro on this draft thread, it’s all comparatively speaking..

Oh also if you guys have had enough of my talking him up, there’s a easy access ignore button on here..Please use ..I actually love the idea of being ignored by some of you..

I may not always agree with you (although I am a big fan of Okoro), but you shouldn't feel bad about advocating for someone you feel strongly about, I don't know why anyone would mute someone over such an "offense". If someone kept advocating Aaron Nesmith or RJ Hampton for the #2 pick, I would laugh at it, but I wouldn't mute them over it, that's silly.

On another topic, I'm curious if Ball is going to fall in the draft, as many draft boards show him recently, and if so how far. And if the Warriors traded down to let's say #4 or #8 or something, at would point would they convince themselves they had to take him (maybe as trade bait) even if they weren't enamored?
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Post#1409 » by Little Digger » Mon Nov 2, 2020 3:24 am

Ya HiRez I’ve been thinking about those scenarios too..It’s a very fascinating draft..Sure is keeping me entertained

What if Edwards and Ball dropped?
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1410 » by Coxy » Mon Nov 2, 2020 3:36 am

It's so good to be really engaged into a draft again. For those of us that go way back, the days of legendary draft threads were so much fun. Looks like here we are here again.

Definitely a fascinating draft. Now so more than ever, scouts and front offices need to really earn their money during the draft. So fun and entertaining having a high pick in a draft like this.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1411 » by Coxy » Mon Nov 2, 2020 3:47 am

Not sure if this had been posted, but a good unbiased look at Deni as a prospect.

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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1412 » by whatisacenter » Mon Nov 2, 2020 4:14 am

HiRez wrote:
Little Digger wrote:When I go on and on about Okoro on this draft thread, it’s all comparatively speaking..

Oh also if you guys have had enough of my talking him up, there’s a easy access ignore button on here..Please use ..I actually love the idea of being ignored by some of you..

I may not always agree with you (although I am a big fan of Okoro), but you shouldn't feel bad about advocating for someone you feel strongly about, I don't know why anyone would mute someone over such an "offense". If someone kept advocating Aaron Nesmith or RJ Hampton for the #2 pick, I would laugh at it, but I wouldn't mute them over it, that's silly.

On another topic, I'm curious if Ball is going to fall in the draft, as many draft boards show him recently, and if so how far. And if the Warriors traded down to let's say #4 or #8 or something, at would point would they convince themselves they had to take him (maybe as trade bait) even if they weren't enamored?


Yeah, I may make an argument against a prospect but I have no problem with another poster being passionate about a player. Heck, I like Edwards more than most folks here and enjoy hearing opposing viewpoints on him. I like a bunch of players in the draft and hope the Warriors make a smart move for short term/long term wether they use/keep the pick or not. It's been a nice distraction geeking out and changing my mind on the prospects in this draft over and over.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1413 » by whatisacenter » Mon Nov 2, 2020 4:22 am

Little Digger wrote:
whatisacenter wrote:
The-Power wrote:Okoro is a good defensive prospect but people who paint him as the second coming of Scottie Pippen on that end are way off. Okoro is not nearly as disruptive as most good defensive wings were in college already. And yeah, his inability to shoot is definitely a big deal.

I like the kid, but some of you guys are going way overboard with him (with pointless redundancy (or obsession even), I'd like to add).


I agree, I like him but worry about his shot and I wouldn’t use a top 2 pick on him. Yes he has motor and defensive instincts but I worry that his length is not enough to be as effective in the nba when he is matched up against elite players that are as athletic as he is and longer.
same measurements as Jimmy Buckets..same toughness..same bball IQ..Same athleticism..Same abilty to finish inside..same competitive desire..and at 19 Jimmy Butler couldn’t hit the side of a barn from 10 feet


He has the tools, if he can shoot he will be great.

I also would like to add that I was agreeing more with his assessment of Okoro than the bolded part above.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1414 » by whocurrz » Mon Nov 2, 2020 8:25 am

Coxy wrote:It's so good to be really engaged into a draft again. For those of us that go way back, the days of legendary draft threads were so much fun. Looks like here we are here again.

Definitely a fascinating draft. Now so more than ever, scouts and front offices need to really earn their money during the draft. So fun and entertaining having a high pick in a draft like this.


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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1415 » by Little Digger » Mon Nov 2, 2020 9:57 am

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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1416 » by B-King » Mon Nov 2, 2020 10:46 am

whatisacenter wrote:
HiRez wrote:
Little Digger wrote:When I go on and on about Okoro on this draft thread, it’s all comparatively speaking..

Oh also if you guys have had enough of my talking him up, there’s a easy access ignore button on here..Please use ..I actually love the idea of being ignored by some of you..

I may not always agree with you (although I am a big fan of Okoro), but you shouldn't feel bad about advocating for someone you feel strongly about, I don't know why anyone would mute someone over such an "offense". If someone kept advocating Aaron Nesmith or RJ Hampton for the #2 pick, I would laugh at it, but I wouldn't mute them over it, that's silly.

On another topic, I'm curious if Ball is going to fall in the draft, as many draft boards show him recently, and if so how far. And if the Warriors traded down to let's say #4 or #8 or something, at would point would they convince themselves they had to take him (maybe as trade bait) even if they weren't enamored?


Yeah, I may make an argument against a prospect but I have no problem with another poster being passionate about a player. Heck, I like Edwards more than most folks here and enjoy hearing opposing viewpoints on him. I like a bunch of players in the draft and hope the Warriors make a smart move for short term/long term wether they use/keep the pick or not. It's been a nice distraction geeking out and changing my mind on the prospects in this draft over and over.


I think Edwards is the most explosive physically and wouldn’t mind if we went that route too. Because I am old school I favor Wiseman. With the TPE and MLE we can go multiple directions. Unless we get an excellent offer, I hope we keep the pick and blowout the luxury tax.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1417 » by The-Power » Mon Nov 2, 2020 1:39 pm

Mylie10 wrote:He was pretty disruptive in college.

3.3 STOCKS per 100 in college is not indicative of a disruptive defensive player at all. That's also not surprising considering his built and pedestrian length, most disruptive defensive players are much longer and they tend to be leaner (i.e. not as strong, but more agile). As a man-to-man defender against wings – especially those that like to drive – I like him a lot, though, and I do believe he has really solid potential as a switch-defender. Still, while I see potential for becoming a good defensive wing with few concerns that he'll underwhelm on defense, I don't see an elite defensive wing.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1418 » by jason bourne » Mon Nov 2, 2020 3:09 pm

Of the top ten (whole draft is ok), which players do you like in terms of personality or their attitude when interviewing or being seen on tv? It could be during a game. Who don't you like?

I like LaMelo. Not sure if I trust Wiseman. Neutral on Edwards. Okoro seems like a good guy whom I hang with.
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1419 » by Onus » Mon Nov 2, 2020 3:10 pm

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I agree with him. True centers aren’t valuable. They have to be able to defend the perimeter like ad is capable of doing.

Can wiseman do that? Idk
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Re: 2020 Draft Thread, Part 2 

Post#1420 » by jason bourne » Mon Nov 2, 2020 3:19 pm

Don't draft by hand size? Except there's this one guy...

https://hoopshype.com/lists/biggest-hands-ever-draft-combine/
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