Top 50 Averaged Out Rankings (Givony, Vecenie, CBS Sports, SI.com and NBADraft.net)

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Re: Top 50 Averaged Out Rankings (Givony, Vecenie, CBS Sports, SI.com and NBADraft.net) 

Post#21 » by Kalela » Mon Nov 2, 2020 3:34 pm

13. Precious Achiuwa
47. Paul Reed Jr.


This does not make sense to me at all. I am a big Precious Achiuwa fan but I can't really see why he is rated so much higher than Paul Reed.
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Post#22 » by Alonzo_Morning » Mon Nov 2, 2020 10:45 pm

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Post#23 » by God Squad » Tue Nov 3, 2020 9:26 am

Kalela wrote:
13. Precious Achiuwa
47. Paul Reed Jr.


This does not make sense to me at all. I am a big Precious Achiuwa fan but I can't really see why he is rated so much higher than Paul Reed.

He really shouldnt be. IMO

Achiuwa
Reed
Jalen Smith

Are bigs close to each other imo.
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Post#24 » by azizx » Fri Nov 6, 2020 10:27 am

Guess this is a popular opinion here, but LaMelo Ball isn't convincing me as a talent. A team lower down in the draft might take a swing, and even then, does his upside really outweigh the risk?

Prospects I've liked recently: JJJ, Ayton, Fultz, Tatum, Knox, both Bridges, MPJ, Doncic. What I got wrong: undersold Doncic’s ceiling but got his floor right; completely misread Knox; Fultz imo was just a really weird situation. Players I should've believed in more: Trae, Mitchell, maybe SGA, Fox, Anunoby.
Jury's still out on a few of those players imo. I didn't mention any of the 2019 class because I need to see another season, but the one player I really liked going into the draft was Culver.
I’d say my opinions err a bit too much on the side of caution, no real outrageous predictions.

Hence, a player like LaMelo just doesn't cut it. I'm not gonna knock his physicals (they're not a plus tho) or his shooting efficiency, it's more that he plays loose/sloppy and his decision-making isn't exactly great. Sure, he has a "feel" for the game and reads the court decently, but he's so unconventional (like Lonzo) that I'm not entirely sure it'll fly in the NBA.
Tbh a lot of the play-making LaMelo attempts reminds me of Trae Young, but he has none of the volume/efficiency ratio in the scoring department.
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Post#25 » by No-Man » Fri Nov 6, 2020 10:39 am

Ball's physicals are absolutely a plus, and his decision making is pretty great, he really isn't unconventional
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Post#26 » by BostonCouchGM » Tue Nov 10, 2020 5:07 am

azizx wrote:Guess this is a popular opinion here, but LaMelo Ball isn't convincing me as a talent. A team lower down in the draft might take a swing, and even then, does his upside really outweigh the risk?

Prospects I've liked recently: JJJ, Ayton, Fultz, Tatum, Knox, both Bridges, MPJ, Doncic. What I got wrong: undersold Doncic’s ceiling but got his floor right; completely misread Knox; Fultz imo was just a really weird situation. Players I should've believed in more: Trae, Mitchell, maybe SGA, Fox, Anunoby.
Jury's still out on a few of those players imo. I didn't mention any of the 2019 class because I need to see another season, but the one player I really liked going into the draft was Culver.
I’d say my opinions err a bit too much on the side of caution, no real outrageous predictions.

Hence, a player like LaMelo just doesn't cut it. I'm not gonna knock his physicals (they're not a plus tho) or his shooting efficiency, it's more that he plays loose/sloppy and his decision-making isn't exactly great. Sure, he has a "feel" for the game and reads the court decently, but he's so unconventional (like Lonzo) that I'm not entirely sure it'll fly in the NBA.
Tbh a lot of the play-making LaMelo attempts reminds me of Trae Young, but he has none of the volume/efficiency ratio in the scoring department.


A handful of years ago the NBA clearly began ignoring rules on offense to promote scoring and these type of players benefit the most from it because they're so high usage which allows their offense to somewhat negate their negatives. Before then, if you weren't athletic, couldn't shoot, and couldn't defend, you weren't seeing the floor. Now, with carries, travels, push offs and illegal moving screens forcing switches, these types of players i.e. ball handlers with size, good BBIQ and passing ability, began thriving. It's a hard thing to reconcile when you've watched NBA basketball for 40+ years. I think 10 years ago Ball doesn't get drafted in the lottery and never sees the floor enough to negate his weaknesses through high usage offense. Now? He's probably going to be like Luka with bad shooting, high turnovers, awful defense, but with the ball in his hands all the time he'll put up big numbers and be a star. If he's drafted by a team that hands him the keys to the Kingdom, he's going to be a star. Where he goes and how much they support him will determine his success. He has to be THE man. Everything has to flow through him and you have to live with his inefficiency, bad shooting and bad defense. I think CHA would be the perfect fit because he'd have two guards who can shoot plus switchable wings who can defend and shoot surrounding him. He could just be the guy handing out assists and making splash plays and become the face of their franchise. DET and NY also make a lot of sense. CLE should too but they're so clueless they probably still think Sexton can be their main guy.
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Post#27 » by NYG » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:34 am

Revised Top 50 as per most recent rankings...

1. LaMelo Ball
2. Anthony Edwards
3. James Wiseman
4. Onyeka Okongwu
5. Obi Toppin
6. Killian Hayes
7. Tyrese Haliburton
8. Deni Avdija
9. Isaac Okoro
10. Patrick Williams
11. Devin Vassell
12. Aaron Nesmith
13. Tyrese Maxey
14. Precious Achiuwa
15. Kira Lewis
16. RJ Hampton
17. Saddiq Bey
18. Cole Anthony
19. Aleksej Pokusevski
20. Tyrell Terry
21. Theo Maledon
22. Jalen Smith
23. Josh Green
24. Leandro Bolmaro
25. Jaden McDaniels
26. Isaiah Stewart
27. Desmond Bane
28. Nico Mannion
29. Malachi Flynn
30. Grant Riller
31. Tre Jones
32. Jahmi'us Ramsey
33. Tyler Bey
34. Xavier Tillman Sr.
35. Zeke Nnaji
36. Vernon Carey
37. Daniel Oturu
38. Cassius Winston
39. Robert Woodard II
40. Isaiah Joe
41. Cassius Stanley
42. Devon Dotson
43. Elijah Hughes
44. Immanuel Quickley
45. Payton Pritchard
46. Jordan Nwora
47. Paul Reed Jr.
48. Udoka Azubuike
49. Reggie Perry
50. Skylar Mays

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