Official 2020 Nba Draft Thread

[flow]

Lazarus' "educated speculation" was insightful.

1. Pistons have 0 interest in Lamelo. Wouldn't take him at 7.

2. Pistons like Haliburton.

https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2020/11/1/21541839/rumors-nba-draft-2020-detroit-pistons-speculation-tyrese-haliburton

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[LaSheed]

I see why people like Ball. Im just not sold. One thing that I actually like hearing was Lavar saying he wants him to go to Detroit or NY.

[LaSheed]

Would be nice if Ball was there at #7 and fleece NY to move up one spot to ensure they get their star.

[stylesofpunk]

Would be nice if Ball was there at #7 and fleece NY to move up one spot to ensure they get their star.

Legit was just coming here to post that

7/blake for 8/randle/38

[LaSheed]

Would be nice if Ball was there at #7 and fleece NY to move up one spot to ensure they get their star.

Legit was just coming here to post that

7/blake for 8/randle/38

Lol dont think we could attach blake but if we could get like #27 and Knox that would be ideal imo.

[LaSheed]

Worst case scenario imo.

1. Edwards
2. Ball (likely trade guessing NY)
3. Wiseman
4. Haliburton
5. Okoro
6. Hayes
7.???

2. The price won't be all that steep so I think Knicks move up and get Ball.

4. I like Haliburton in Chicago. He fits perfectly with White and Lavine. His spot up shooting compliments them very nicely.

5. Just read Okoro canceled meetings and its believed Cleveland gave him a promise. Fits their roster pretty well.

6. Atlanta has their choice. With Okongwu/Toppin/Avdija/Hayes and the 3&D wings all available i think they could get a nice haul in a trade. If they take Hayes here or if someone moves in front of us to get him im trading back most likely.

7. Vasell/Williams are intriguing here but if the right deal is offered im ok with trading back.

[ducler]

Worst case scenario imo.

1. Edwards
2. Ball (likely trade guessing NY)
3. Wiseman
4. Haliburton
5. Okoro
6. Hayes
7.???

2. The price won't be all that steep so I think Knicks move up and get Ball.

4. I like Haliburton in Chicago. He fits perfectly with White and Lavine. His spot up shooting compliments them very nicely.

5. Just read Okoro canceled meetings and its believed Cleveland gave him a promise. Fits their roster pretty well.

6. Atlanta has their choice. With Okongwu/Toppin/Avdija/Hayes and the 3&D wings all available i think they could get a nice haul in a trade. If they take Hayes here or if someone moves in front of us to get him im trading back most likely.

7. Vasell/Williams are intriguing here but if the right deal is offered im ok with trading back.

In that case we take Avdija and call it a day.

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[LaSheed]

Worst case scenario imo.

1. Edwards
2. Ball (likely trade guessing NY)
3. Wiseman
4. Haliburton
5. Okoro
6. Hayes
7.???

2. The price won't be all that steep so I think Knicks move up and get Ball.

4. I like Haliburton in Chicago. He fits perfectly with White and Lavine. His spot up shooting compliments them very nicely.

5. Just read Okoro canceled meetings and its believed Cleveland gave him a promise. Fits their roster pretty well.

6. Atlanta has their choice. With Okongwu/Toppin/Avdija/Hayes and the 3&D wings all available i think they could get a nice haul in a trade. If they take Hayes here or if someone moves in front of us to get him im trading back most likely.

7. Vasell/Williams are intriguing here but if the right deal is offered im ok with trading back.

In that case we take Avdija and call it a day.

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Oops forgot he was there in my own post. Yes take Deni and run. I agree.

[Canadafan]

Lazarus' "educated speculation" was insightful.

1. Pistons have 0 interest in Lamelo. Wouldn't take him at 7.

2. Pistons like Haliburton.

Thank. God. Hope hes right I just dont see it in Ball.
Wish we could move up and get Edwards

[stylesofpunk]

Would be nice if Ball was there at #7 and fleece NY to move up one spot to ensure they get their star.

Legit was just coming here to post that

7/blake for 8/randle/38

Lol dont think we could attach blake but if we could get like #27 and Knox that would be ideal imo.

I mean they did say they were willing to take on a bad deal. We just make them do it and the incentive is them getting lamelo with us playing hard ball and telling them we are gonna take lamelo. Just spitballing. If we did this I would want us to take vassell or Nesmith and then maybe trade kennard and 38 to move back up into the top 15 and get Cole Anthony

[BJK1]

Whether we wind up agreeing or disagreeing with the Pistons decision at 7 (or in a trade scenario), I believe Weaver’s comment about “drafting the person, not the player” is going to be the theme of the selection. With that in mind, I think the Pistons ideally want Tyrese Haliburton or Killian Hayes. And I’m starting to think it would be in that order. But my guess is that they’re preparing for one or both of those guys to already be gone by 7.

Interesting to think that LaMelo Ball could actually wind up being the wildcard in the lottery. Funny how perceptions change. Or maybe that’s how he’s actually been viewed this whole time by league people, but sports media is just catching up. It’s typically said that there are rarely any “risers” or “sliders” at this point in the draft process of any sport, it’s just that the media is starting to catch up.

[chrbal]

Would be nice if Ball was there at #7 and fleece NY to move up one spot to ensure they get their star.

Legit was just coming here to post that

7/blake for 8/randle/38

No way they take Blake. You basically would have to bluff them into thinking we’re interested and try to fleece 27 or 38 out of them. Then pick who you were going to pick anyway at 8 and then pick a bonus guy later

[thesack12]

I guess its just me, because I'm failing to see how Troy Weaver is carrying the reputation of being some kind of great talent evaluator.

Thunder draft history:

2008: Westbrook @ 4, Ibaka @ 24, traded a trio of 2nds to Detroit to get DJ White @ 30
2009: Harden @ 3
2010: Eric Bledsoe @ 18, Craig Brackins @ 21, Quincy Pondexter @ 29, Magnum Rolle @ 51
2011: Reggie Jackson @ 24
2012: Perry Jones @ 28
2013: Steven Adams @ 13, Archie Goodwin @ 29, Alex Abrines @ 32
2014: Mitch McGary @ 21, Josh Huestis @ 29
2015: Cameron Payne @ 14, Dakari Johnson @ 48
2016: No picks
2017: Terrance Ferguson @ 21
2018: Devon Hall @ 53, Kevin Hervey @ 57
2019: Brandon Clarke @ 21

Obviously Westbrook and Harden were great picks, but they were also top 4 picks. Its significantly easier to hit on picks when you draft that high up.

To me, the Ibaka pick was the best one on that entire list.

Reggie Jackson @ 24, and Steven Adams @ 13 were rock solid picks. Bledsoe was immediately traded to LAC, so he doesn't count.

Other than that, its a big giant pile of nothingness. Which means that the Thunder haven't made a meaningful draft pick since 2013.

While its worth being mentioned that OKC haven't had a pick higher 14 since 2013, going 7 seasons without getting any substance from your draft picks is not good. This is one of the factors that played into Durant's decision to leave, because there just wasn't any talent around him and Westbrook.

Weaver was Utah's head scout from 2004-2007, so let's look at their draft history during that time:

2004: Kris Humphries @ 14, Kirk Snyder @ 16, Pavel Podkolzine @ 21
2005: Deron Williams @ 3, CJ Miles @ 34, Robert Whaley @ 51
2006: Ronnie Brewer @ 14, Dee Brown @ 46, Paul Milsap @ 47
2007: Morris Almond @ 25, Herbert Hill @ 55

2004 was a complete whiff despite having 3 1sts
2005: Very, very good draft. Williams was a great player for a good while and Miles was a super solid 2nd round pick
2006: Brewer was a solid player for awhile, and the Milsap was an absolute home run of a pick
2007: Nothing to see here

So overall, this draft history shows out better. However, again I will say its significantly easier high higher picks (Williams @ 3.) And we have no idea how much input Weaver had towards any of these picks.

So as I took this little dive into Weaver's talent evalaution prowess, it appears that from 2005-2010 he was building up an impressive overall track record and it appears he can score big with top 3-4 picks. However, as the years have gone by without any top picks to buoy his resume its been 7 years since he has actually been a part in making a solid draft pick.

So in conclusion, I will again say that maybe its just me but I am not seeing anything to suggest Weaver has some great eye for talent. If anything it appears, he has been regressing in that regard for many years. But who knows, perhaps the last 7 years were all Sam Presti.

[vic]

I've been hearing more that the Pistons are interested in Patrick Williams...

I'd be happy with Williams if Okoro isn't available. He has a little more upside and strength than Vassell.

As long as they get the most talented wing available i'll be happy.

[BJK1]

John Calipari warns NBA teams not to pass on Tyrese Maxey:

https://www.yoursportsedge.com/2020/10/29/john-calipari-warns-nba-teams-not-to-pass-on-tyrese-maxey/

I could definitely see Maxey being a consideration for the Pistons, particularly if Haliburton and Hayes are gone before 7. By all accounts, this kid loves the game and has a grinding work ethic (a 4:30 am riser, at the gym by 6:00 am guy). If you get a chance, watch his interview with Mike Schmitz from DX/ESPN. Maxey’s positive attitude and energy jump off the screen. Comes back to the Weaver, “We draft the person” statement.

[Kilo]

I guess its just me, because I'm failing to see how Troy Weaver is carrying the reputation of being some kind of great talent evaluator.

Thunder draft history:

2008: Westbrook @ 4, Ibaka @ 24, traded a trio of 2nds to Detroit to get DJ White @ 30
2009: Harden @ 3
2010: Eric Bledsoe @ 18, Craig Brackins @ 21, Quincy Pondexter @ 29, Magnum Rolle @ 51
2011: Reggie Jackson @ 24
2012: Perry Jones @ 28
2013: Steven Adams @ 13, Archie Goodwin @ 29, Alex Abrines @ 32
2014: Mitch McGary @ 21, Josh Huestis @ 29
2015: Cameron Payne @ 14, Dakari Johnson @ 48
2016: No picks
2017: Terrance Ferguson @ 21
2018: Devon Hall @ 53, Kevin Hervey @ 57
2019: Brandon Clarke @ 21

Obviously Westbrook and Harden were great picks, but they were also top 4 picks. Its significantly easier to hit on picks when you draft that high up.

To me, the Ibaka pick was the best one on that entire list.

Reggie Jackson @ 24, and Steven Adams @ 13 were rock solid picks. Bledsoe was immediately traded to LAC, so he doesn't count.

Other than that, its a big giant pile of nothingness. Which means that the Thunder haven't made a meaningful draft pick since 2013.

While its worth being mentioned that OKC haven't had a pick higher 14 since 2013, going 7 seasons without getting any substance from your draft picks is not good. This is one of the factors that played into Durant's decision to leave, because there just wasn't any talent around him and Westbrook.

Weaver was Utah's head scout from 2004-2007, so let's look at their draft history during that time:

2004: Kris Humphries @ 14, Kirk Snyder @ 16, Pavel Podkolzine @ 21
2005: Deron Williams @ 3, CJ Miles @ 34, Robert Whaley @ 51
2006: Ronnie Brewer @ 14, Dee Brown @ 46, Paul Milsap @ 47
2007: Morris Almond @ 25, Herbert Hill @ 55

2004 was a complete whiff despite having 3 1sts
2005: Very, very good draft. Williams was a great player for a good while and Miles was a super solid 2nd round pick
2006: Brewer was a solid player for awhile, and the Milsap was an absolute home run of a pick
2007: Nothing to see here

So overall, this draft history shows out better. However, again I will say its significantly easier high higher picks (Williams @ 3.) And we have no idea how much input Weaver had towards any of these picks.

So as I took this little dive into Weaver's talent evalaution prowess, it appears that from 2005-2010 he was building up an impressive overall track record and it appears he can score big with top 3-4 picks. However, as the years have gone by without any top picks to buoy his resume its been 7 years since he has actually been a part in making a solid draft pick.

So in conclusion, I will again say that maybe its just me but I am not seeing anything to suggest Weaver has some great eye for talent. If anything it appears, he has been regressing in that regard for many years. But who knows, perhaps the last 7 years were all Sam Presti.

Only Cam Payne is the absolute whiff. I guess Perry Jones as well, but at 28 you're going to miss there.

[BJK1]

If you guys get a chance, watch the Draft Combine interviews of Tyrese Haliburton, Killian Hayes, and LaMelo Ball. The contrast between Haliburton and Hayes versus Ball is...eye opening (to say the least). Based on his Combine video, I believe the rumors of Ball doing poorly in team interviews are very well founded. On the other hand Haliburton especially, but Hayes as well, were excellent in their interviews. Smart, confident, knowledgeable, but humble. Both project the part of the “Face of the Franchise” type. To be blunt, Ball’s interview was awful. I was actually almost embarrassed for him watching it. The only question he was able to provide a somewhat complete answer to was what music he listens to.

[stylesofpunk]

Keep watching hayes videos and he keeps reminding me of Stephen curry light.

[thesack12]

I guess its just me, because I'm failing to see how Troy Weaver is carrying the reputation of being some kind of great talent evaluator.

Thunder draft history:

2008: Westbrook @ 4, Ibaka @ 24, traded a trio of 2nds to Detroit to get DJ White @ 30
2009: Harden @ 3
2010: Eric Bledsoe @ 18, Craig Brackins @ 21, Quincy Pondexter @ 29, Magnum Rolle @ 51
2011: Reggie Jackson @ 24
2012: Perry Jones @ 28
2013: Steven Adams @ 13, Archie Goodwin @ 29, Alex Abrines @ 32
2014: Mitch McGary @ 21, Josh Huestis @ 29
2015: Cameron Payne @ 14, Dakari Johnson @ 48
2016: No picks
2017: Terrance Ferguson @ 21
2018: Devon Hall @ 53, Kevin Hervey @ 57
2019: Brandon Clarke @ 21

Obviously Westbrook and Harden were great picks, but they were also top 4 picks. Its significantly easier to hit on picks when you draft that high up.

To me, the Ibaka pick was the best one on that entire list.

Reggie Jackson @ 24, and Steven Adams @ 13 were rock solid picks. Bledsoe was immediately traded to LAC, so he doesn't count.

Other than that, its a big giant pile of nothingness. Which means that the Thunder haven't made a meaningful draft pick since 2013.

While its worth being mentioned that OKC haven't had a pick higher 14 since 2013, going 7 seasons without getting any substance from your draft picks is not good. This is one of the factors that played into Durant's decision to leave, because there just wasn't any talent around him and Westbrook.

Weaver was Utah's head scout from 2004-2007, so let's look at their draft history during that time:

2004: Kris Humphries @ 14, Kirk Snyder @ 16, Pavel Podkolzine @ 21
2005: Deron Williams @ 3, CJ Miles @ 34, Robert Whaley @ 51
2006: Ronnie Brewer @ 14, Dee Brown @ 46, Paul Milsap @ 47
2007: Morris Almond @ 25, Herbert Hill @ 55

2004 was a complete whiff despite having 3 1sts
2005: Very, very good draft. Williams was a great player for a good while and Miles was a super solid 2nd round pick
2006: Brewer was a solid player for awhile, and the Milsap was an absolute home run of a pick
2007: Nothing to see here

So overall, this draft history shows out better. However, again I will say its significantly easier high higher picks (Williams @ 3.) And we have no idea how much input Weaver had towards any of these picks.

So as I took this little dive into Weaver's talent evalaution prowess, it appears that from 2005-2010 he was building up an impressive overall track record and it appears he can score big with top 3-4 picks. However, as the years have gone by without any top picks to buoy his resume its been 7 years since he has actually been a part in making a solid draft pick.

So in conclusion, I will again say that maybe its just me but I am not seeing anything to suggest Weaver has some great eye for talent. If anything it appears, he has been regressing in that regard for many years. But who knows, perhaps the last 7 years were all Sam Presti.

Only Cam Payne is the absolute whiff. I guess Perry Jones as well, but at 28 you're going to miss there.

Only considering the 1st rounders since 2012:

Perry Jones washed out of the league in 3 seasons
Mitch Mcgary washed out of the league in 2 seasons
Josh Huestis washed out of the league in 3 seasons
Cameron Payne has a career 6.2 PPG in 161 games (5 seasons)
Terrance Ferguson has a career 4.8 PPG in 191 games (3 seasons)

I would would classify all those guys as 100% unwantedness, but that's just me.

Again, Steven Adams (#13 in 2013) is the only legitimate draft pick OKC has made in the last 8 years.

[LaSheed]

I guess its just me, because I'm failing to see how Troy Weaver is carrying the reputation of being some kind of great talent evaluator.

Thunder draft history:

2008: Westbrook @ 4, Ibaka @ 24, traded a trio of 2nds to Detroit to get DJ White @ 30
2009: Harden @ 3
2010: Eric Bledsoe @ 18, Craig Brackins @ 21, Quincy Pondexter @ 29, Magnum Rolle @ 51
2011: Reggie Jackson @ 24
2012: Perry Jones @ 28
2013: Steven Adams @ 13, Archie Goodwin @ 29, Alex Abrines @ 32
2014: Mitch McGary @ 21, Josh Huestis @ 29
2015: Cameron Payne @ 14, Dakari Johnson @ 48
2016: No picks
2017: Terrance Ferguson @ 21
2018: Devon Hall @ 53, Kevin Hervey @ 57
2019: Brandon Clarke @ 21

Obviously Westbrook and Harden were great picks, but they were also top 4 picks. Its significantly easier to hit on picks when you draft that high up.

To me, the Ibaka pick was the best one on that entire list.

Reggie Jackson @ 24, and Steven Adams @ 13 were rock solid picks. Bledsoe was immediately traded to LAC, so he doesn't count.

Other than that, its a big giant pile of nothingness. Which means that the Thunder haven't made a meaningful draft pick since 2013.

While its worth being mentioned that OKC haven't had a pick higher 14 since 2013, going 7 seasons without getting any substance from your draft picks is not good. This is one of the factors that played into Durant's decision to leave, because there just wasn't any talent around him and Westbrook.

Weaver was Utah's head scout from 2004-2007, so let's look at their draft history during that time:

2004: Kris Humphries @ 14, Kirk Snyder @ 16, Pavel Podkolzine @ 21
2005: Deron Williams @ 3, CJ Miles @ 34, Robert Whaley @ 51
2006: Ronnie Brewer @ 14, Dee Brown @ 46, Paul Milsap @ 47
2007: Morris Almond @ 25, Herbert Hill @ 55

2004 was a complete whiff despite having 3 1sts
2005: Very, very good draft. Williams was a great player for a good while and Miles was a super solid 2nd round pick
2006: Brewer was a solid player for awhile, and the Milsap was an absolute home run of a pick
2007: Nothing to see here

So overall, this draft history shows out better. However, again I will say its significantly easier high higher picks (Williams @ 3.) And we have no idea how much input Weaver had towards any of these picks.

So as I took this little dive into Weaver's talent evalaution prowess, it appears that from 2005-2010 he was building up an impressive overall track record and it appears he can score big with top 3-4 picks. However, as the years have gone by without any top picks to buoy his resume its been 7 years since he has actually been a part in making a solid draft pick.

So in conclusion, I will again say that maybe its just me but I am not seeing anything to suggest Weaver has some great eye for talent. If anything it appears, he has been regressing in that regard for many years. But who knows, perhaps the last 7 years were all Sam Presti.

Only Cam Payne is the absolute whiff. I guess Perry Jones as well, but at 28 you're going to miss there.

I thought Perry Jones was gonna be so good lol