Nuggets Trades

[skywalker33]

What about this one:

WAS trades Troy Brown Jr, Isaac Bonga and #37
DEN trades Plumlee (S&T 3yr $17M)

WAS selects Isaac Okoro at 9, upgrades Bonga's SF spot and they need some size at C which Plumlee can fill
DEN picks up Brown to play at SG, can waive or trade Bonga, while picking up a 2nd

[The Rebel]

Does Plumlee bring 2 young players on cheap contracts that can fill roles we need? Also Dedmon is a locker room cancer because he was promised a role and than the team changed his role and what they wanted from him? IF that is the case is Barton not a locker room cancer then? He has complained in the media about being a starter, that is worse than Dedmon did in Sacremento.

Well, you speak as if this

Will Barton for Dedmon, Huerter, and the 6th overall pick? Would you prefer Reddish over the 6th pick? Would Atlanta do it?

is a done deal. I think Atl would hang up the phone.

That is a different discussion than what we are having though? Is it not? Why are you avoiding the Barton questions?

Do you realize that including the playoffs we were 1 game over 500 from the Beasley/juancho trade through the end of the playoffs?

To the end of playoffs? So you're counting those weird pre-PO lineups, Jokic resting etc as something meaningful? Why on earth...?

If the game counted why would we not add them into the conversation? That was 3 games, and most teams with finals aspirations use their reserves for a few games heading into the season. Either way a team that was on pace to win 56 games dropped to a 43 win pace and you think that is great?

Wait you want Cousins, but don't want to take Dedmon with assets because of Dedmon's issues in Sacramento? You cannot be serious?

That trade has zero chance of happening. Cousins on cheap money could be low risk-high reward kind of thing since he still likes Malone, but agree it's not very likely to happen.

Once again trying to change the conversation to avoid a direct question. So Dedmon with assets is a problem but you want Cousins?

The real issue with this team is we took a huge downgrade in talent at the deadline, and from that point on we were not the same team. We went from arguably the best bench in the league to 1 of the worsts, because we lost our shooting and off ball movement when we lost Beasley and Juancho.

The Nuggets dodged a big one with Beasley considered he was stupid enough to get arrested with guns and a kilo of weed not to mention that fight with an NFL scrub while still in Denver. The Nuggets lost their shooting because Juancho left? The guy who was shooting 25% from three and averaging 3 pts until that point? Thanks for the laughs.

I would be laughing at my own embarrassment if I was you too. I guess you missed the part where I said off ball movement? You cannot be stupid enough to try to argue that Juancho was not constantly moving off the ball and forcing teams to cover him can you? I know you have problems getting past 2 sentences, but it is not that hard.

Also what does what happened with Beasley have to do with this conversation? How does the trouble he got into change the fact that our bench fell apart directly after him and Juancho were traded?

I get that you realized that you have no arguments but admit it instead of trying to totally change the conversation and making yourself look foolish.

[The Rebel]

What about this one:

WAS trades Troy Brown Jr, Isaac Bonga and #37
DEN trades Plumlee (S&T 3yr $17M)

WAS selects Isaac Okoro at 9, upgrades Bonga's SF spot and they need some size at C which Plumlee can fill
DEN picks up Brown to play at SG, can waive or trade Bonga, while picking up a 2nd

Free agency happens after the draft so the 2nd would have to be a future pick.

I think this depends heavily on what the Wizards think of Wagner. They seem to love Bryant (I don't blame them), but with Mahinmi expiring that is their only backup. I think they would rather keep Brown or at least one of Brown and Bonga as those are their only 2 SFS on the roster. If we could do it though I would rather keep Bonga, he is a young guy who was a PG that has SF size. He did well defensively against guards, but struggled against larger forwards. He may not be a bad guy to see what a year in our system brings out of him.

[skywalker33]

What about this one:

WAS trades Troy Brown Jr, Isaac Bonga and #37
DEN trades Plumlee (S&T 3yr $17M)

WAS selects Isaac Okoro at 9, upgrades Bonga's SF spot and they need some size at C which Plumlee can fill
DEN picks up Brown to play at SG, can waive or trade Bonga, while picking up a 2nd

Free agency happens after the draft so the 2nd would have to be a future pick.

I think this depends heavily on what the Wizards think of Wagner. They seem to love Bryant (I don't blame them), but with Mahinmi expiring that is their only backup. I think they would rather keep Brown or at least one of Brown and Bonga as those are their only 2 SFS on the roster. If we could do it though I would rather keep Bonga, he is a young guy who was a PG that has SF size. He did well defensively against guards, but struggled against larger forwards. He may not be a bad guy to see what a year in our system brings out of him.

My goal in this trade is Brown, Bonga was mainly to add cap balance in the trade. I like Bonga too and he can hold value, as I suggested maybe we can flip him for more value. As for the 2nd, we could arrange the trade before the draft, have WAS make the pick for us and complete is when available.

[Richard Miller]

That is a different discussion than what we are having though? Is it not?

Wait you want Cousins, but don't want to take Dedmon with assets because of Dedmon's issues in Sacramento? You cannot be serious?

Once again trying to change the conversation to avoid a direct question. So Dedmon with assets is a problem but you want Cousins?

There is no conversation in the first place. At first I thought it's Deadmon (plus someone) for Barton, but actually you meant #6, Deadmon and assets, all that for Barton who didn't play since March and it's not known when he's coming back? When I understood you were actually not kidding, it was time to move on, you know, it's not a video-game after all, maybe in 2k21 such trade would work.

If the game counted why would we not add them into the conversation?

I risk losing some brain cells if I have to recap each of those bubble games and why they were different.

I would be laughing at my own embarrassment if I was you too. I guess you missed the part where I said off ball movement? You cannot be stupid enough to try to argue that Juancho was not constantly moving off the ball and forcing teams to cover him can you? I know you have problems getting past 2 sentences, but it is not that hard.

Also what does what happened with Beasley have to do with this conversation? How does the trouble he got into change the fact that our bench fell apart directly after him and Juancho were traded?

I get that you realized that you have no arguments but admit it instead of trying to totally change the conversation and making yourself look foolish.

Yea totally they wouldn't have lost -30 to Clippers if Juancho was still there. Beas would've been fine if he took the money that was offered. It was never reported how much he wanted (obviously way more than 3/30), but if it's starter money, then imo he's not worth it. Don't think we are going to find out what's he really worth anyway, since now nobody is going to touch him with a 10 foot pole.

[skywalker33]

Gotta say my two favorite trade targets are Chandler Hutchison from the Bulls and the Wizards Troy Brown Jr, both seem to be good on the defensive end while having the ability to score in a supportive role. I see both as upgrades to Torrey Craig, sad he never panned out on the offensive side of the ball.

[The Rebel]

That is a different discussion than what we are having though? Is it not?

Wait you want Cousins, but don't want to take Dedmon with assets because of Dedmon's issues in Sacramento? You cannot be serious?

Once again trying to change the conversation to avoid a direct question. So Dedmon with assets is a problem but you want Cousins?

There is no conversation in the first place. At first I thought it's Deadmon (plus someone) for Barton, but actually you meant #6, Deadmon and assets, all that for Barton who didn't play since March and it's not known when he's coming back? When I understood you were actually not kidding, it was time to move on, you know, it's not a video-game after all, maybe in 2k21 such trade would work.

Still avoiding the questions and trying to attack me. Once again if Dedmon is a head case, what does that make Barton and Cousins? Why no on Dedmon and yes on Cousins and Barton? I know you have trouble reading whole posts, but this is the 3rd time I have asked you.

If the game counted why would we not add them into the conversation?

I risk losing some brain cells if I have to recap each of those bubble games and why they were different.

Okay, let's talk about after the trade deadline through the shutdown, we had a losing record after the trade.

I would be laughing at my own embarrassment if I was you too. I guess you missed the part where I said off ball movement? You cannot be stupid enough to try to argue that Juancho was not constantly moving off the ball and forcing teams to cover him can you? I know you have problems getting past 2 sentences, but it is not that hard.

Also what does what happened with Beasley have to do with this conversation? How does the trouble he got into change the fact that our bench fell apart directly after him and Juancho were traded?

I get that you realized that you have no arguments but admit it instead of trying to totally change the conversation and making yourself look foolish.

Yea totally they wouldn't have lost -30 to Clippers if Juancho was still there. Beas would've been fine if he took the money that was offered. It was never reported how much he wanted (obviously way more than 3/30), but if it's starter money, then imo he's not worth it. Don't think we are going to find out what's he really worth anyway, since now nobody is going to touch him with a 10 foot pole.

Maybe we don't lose a single game with beasley and Juancho, after all our bench went from top 3 to one of the worst in the league. But you still do what you can to avoid the questions I am seeing.

[The Rebel]

Gotta say my two favorite trade targets are Chandler Hutchison from the Bulls and the Wizards Troy Brown Jr, both seem to be good on the defensive end while having the ability to score in a supportive role. I see both as upgrades to Torrey Craig, sad he never panned out on the offensive side of the ball.

I agree with those 2 as Craig replacements, I like them both and think they would be good fits if we can get them cheap enough.

[skywalker33]

Gotta say my two favorite trade targets are Chandler Hutchison from the Bulls and the Wizards Troy Brown Jr, both seem to be good on the defensive end while having the ability to score in a supportive role. I see both as upgrades to Torrey Craig, sad he never panned out on the offensive side of the ball.

I agree with those 2 as Craig replacements, I like them both and think they would be good fits if we can get them cheap enough.

Reportedly, the Wizards are wanting to move up in the draft, wondering if we can get TBJ + future pick for #22
and Plumlee S&T (or some variations)

[THE J0KER]

Gotta say my two favorite trade targets are Chandler Hutchison from the Bulls and the Wizards Troy Brown Jr, both seem to be good on the defensive end while having the ability to score in a supportive role. I see both as upgrades to Torrey Craig, sad he never panned out on the offensive side of the ball.

I agree with those 2 as Craig replacements, I like them both and think they would be good fits if we can get them cheap enough.

Reportedly, the Wizards are wanting to move up in the draft, wondering if we can get TBJ + future pick for #22
and Plumlee S&T (or some variations)

Why would Washington gave up from their former #15 pick for our #22 pick (and even send to us an extra future pick) after he showed in Orlando bubble with 15-7-5 breakthrough type of stats that he is worthy TOP15 pick?

[skywalker33]

I agree with those 2 as Craig replacements, I like them both and think they would be good fits if we can get them cheap enough.

Reportedly, the Wizards are wanting to move up in the draft, wondering if we can get TBJ + future pick for #22
and Plumlee S&T (or some variations)

Why would Washington gave up from their former #15 pick for our #22 pick (and even send to us an extra future pick) after he showed in Orlando bubble with 15-7-5 breakthrough type of stats that he is worthy TOP15 pick?

Fair question, let me see if I can help you with my thought process. Please remember, this is something called SPECULATION. First, by your logic, seems we could NEVER trade Jokic for more than a mid 2nd, stupid logic IMO. As of right now, TBJ is a backup, behind either Beal or Bonga. He did show well in the bubble, but if you want to throw out stats, he only averaged 10.6ppg in the regular season. And if you read correctly, I was also offering Plumlee, never speculated what future pics WAS was offering (I would guess a 2nd or two). WAS doesn't have a lot of size so I surmised Plumlee could represent some value there. Another assumption to my proposal is that a team willing to trade down might prefer two picks (9+22) if they wanted to select their own players, perhaps wishful thinking but are you telling me it's impossible ??

[stoo]

If it's possible, would you give Harris, Barton, MPJ and 1-2 first rounders for Paul George?

[skywalker33]

While I HATE trading within the division, how about this one:

DEN trades Barton + 22
POR trade 16 (SF Saddiq Bey) + 46 (SG Jay Scrubb)

POR uses one of it TPE's to absorb Barton's salary
DEN moves up to get two high-quality draft picks (IMO) for a player who had no impact during the playoffs

[NuggetsWY]

If it's possible, would you give Harris, Barton, MPJ and 1-2 first rounders for Paul George?

Nope - I like George but he didn't impress me as a superstar during the playoffs and I'm hopefully Porter can exceed George someday.

[NuggetsWY]

While I HATE trading within the division, how about this one:

DEN trades Barton + 22
POR trade 16 (SF Saddiq Bey) + 46 (SG Jay Scrubb)

POR uses one of it TPE's to absorb Barton's salary
DEN moves up to get two high-quality draft picks (IMO) for a player who had no impact during the playoffs

I'd like it but I'm not confident Portland would like it. Bey would fit in their rotation.

[skywalker33]

While I HATE trading within the division, how about this one:

DEN trades Barton + 22
POR trade 16 (SF Saddiq Bey) + 46 (SG Jay Scrubb)

POR uses one of it TPE's to absorb Barton's salary
DEN moves up to get two high-quality draft picks (IMO) for a player who had no impact during the playoffs

I'd like it but I'm not confident Portland would like it. Bey would fit in their rotation.

But they LOVE Barton....

[skywalker33]

If it's possible, would you give Harris, Barton, MPJ and 1-2 first rounders for Paul George?

Nope - I like George but he didn't impress me as a superstar during the playoffs and I'm hopefully Porter can exceed George someday.

Plus he's on the wrong side of 30yo

[stoo]

If it's possible, would you give Harris, Barton, MPJ and 1-2 first rounders for Paul George?

Nope - I like George but he didn't impress me as a superstar during the playoffs and I'm hopefully Porter can exceed George someday.

Plus he's on the wrong side of 30yo

yes, but what would Denver say if clippers approach them and say they want to trade PG for Harris, Barton, MPJ and this year pick?

[The Rebel]

Nope - I like George but he didn't impress me as a superstar during the playoffs and I'm hopefully Porter can exceed George someday.

Plus he's on the wrong side of 30yo

yes, but what would Denver say if clippers approach them and say they want to trade PG for Harris, Barton, MPJ and this year pick?

They likely say hell no. A lot of people do not realize it but we had a deal basically done to bring George in while he was in Indiana, but the Nuggets pulled out of the deal when he said that he only wanted to play in LA. With George having an opt out after this year there is no way I would take that risk even for Kawhi, and I like Kawhi a hell of a lot more than George.

[The Rebel]

While I HATE trading within the division, how about this one:

DEN trades Barton + 22
POR trade 16 (SF Saddiq Bey) + 46 (SG Jay Scrubb)

POR uses one of it TPE's to absorb Barton's salary
DEN moves up to get two high-quality draft picks (IMO) for a player who had no impact during the playoffs

I'd like it but I'm not confident Portland would like it. Bey would fit in their rotation.

But they LOVE Barton....

Barton fits exactly what they need at SF, plus they remember the hustle player with a good attitude that he was when he got there. They still have to add salary to send back, they do not have the cap room for Barton, and I still think you can get Collins for taking back their filler contracts which are all bad.