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2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#961 » by BallSacBounce » Mon Nov 2, 2020 5:56 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
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RShahNyC89 wrote:
Yes the higher your age and the more comorbidities you have, the lower your survival rate. That is not unique to COVID-19, it's for everything. However, underlying health issues is a crutch to make it seem like it isn't as dangerous as it is.

Over 65 - Appx 50 million
Smokers - Appx 35 million
Hypertension - Appx 110 million
Diabetics - Appx 35 million
Asthma/COPD - Appx 25 million+

All of these people have pre-existing conditions. That doesn't even account for people with autoimmune conditions that are on immunosuppressives, people that don't know they have those conditions because of a lack of healthcare and various other things that health insurance categorize as having a pre-existing condition.

There are estimates that show pre-existing conditions are present in 1/2 american adults.

I took care of nothing but COVID-19 patients from end of March to end of May here in Manhattan. The majority of my deaths were in the elderly, but we had deaths in younger patients and we had severe illnesses that did not result in deaths in many more.

Anecdotally an example is a late 30s year old father of 2 that had a history of childhood asthma (someone that didn't even have an asthma pump anymore) had a 20 day hospitalization that resulted in being discharge on oxygen. This guy's life is forever changed. But he doesn't count as a death and this **** is embarrassing that it's politicized.

People went from thanking frontline workers to trying to discredit us on TV to support their political idealogies. Trying to make it sound like people are lying (despite things that are starting back up) and that we do it for money?

Well these Trump supporters at these massive rallies should be dropping like flies then. How come they're not?


https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/11/01/study-trump-rallies-linked-to-over-700-covid-19-coronavirus-deaths-here-are-the-caveats/?sh=e7ba7b06064f

Derp! Typical of you to nonchalantly ignore the facts

Trump rallies have left 700+ dead, 30,000+ infected and spreading to countless new victims

Fantastic! Now do all the studies and experts showing all the deaths and illnesses caused by the Antifa/BLM protests.

Betcha can't find any. Because it's **** POLITICS!
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#963 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Nov 2, 2020 6:05 pm

BallSacBounce wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:Well these Trump supporters at these massive rallies should be dropping like flies then. How come they're not?


https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/11/01/study-trump-rallies-linked-to-over-700-covid-19-coronavirus-deaths-here-are-the-caveats/?sh=e7ba7b06064f

Derp! Typical of you to nonchalantly ignore the facts

Trump rallies have left 700+ dead, 30,000+ infected and spreading to countless new victims

Fantastic! Now do all the studies and experts showing all the deaths and illnesses caused by the Antifa/BLM protests.

Betcha can't find any. Because it's **** POLITICS!


So when you are busted you never show the courage to admit you are wrong.

As always, your cowardice shines through everything you do

This is definitely the pinnacle of your inept posting

Your pathetic Nazi panic is stinking up the joint
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#964 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Nov 2, 2020 6:10 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/11/01/study-trump-rallies-linked-to-over-700-covid-19-coronavirus-deaths-here-are-the-caveats/?sh=e7ba7b06064f

Derp! Typical of you to nonchalantly ignore the facts

Trump rallies have left 700+ dead, 30,000+ infected and spreading to countless new victims

Fantastic! Now do all the studies and experts showing all the deaths and illnesses caused by the Antifa/BLM protests.

Betcha can't find any. Because it's **** POLITICS!


So when you are busted you never show the courage to admit you are wrong.

As always, your cowardice shines through everything you do

This is definitely the pinnacle of your inept posting

Your pathetic Nazi panic is stinking up the joint


@BallSac there are no numbers from the protests bc WE ... WORE ... MASKS!

You already know this bc if you had numbers showing virus spread from the protests you would have posted them. You’ll also notice that the police also didn’t have virus spread from the protests. Ugh
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#965 » by Synciere » Mon Nov 2, 2020 6:12 pm

All these companies boarding up their stores around the city.... are they preparing for riots if Trump wins, or if he loses??
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#966 » by Dranae » Mon Nov 2, 2020 6:15 pm

Synciere wrote:All these companies boarding up their stores around the city.... are they preparing for riots if Trump wins, or if he loses??
Both.

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#967 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Nov 2, 2020 6:15 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:Fantastic! Now do all the studies and experts showing all the deaths and illnesses caused by the Antifa/BLM protests.

Betcha can't find any. Because it's **** POLITICS!


So when you are busted you never show the courage to admit you are wrong.

As always, your cowardice shines through everything you do

This is definitely the pinnacle of your inept posting

Your pathetic Nazi panic is stinking up the joint


@BallSac there are no numbers from the protests bc WE ... WORE ... MASKS!

You already know this bc if you had numbers showing virus spread from the protests you would have posted them. You’ll also notice that the police also didn’t have virus spread from the protests. Ugh


You call this guy your friend? They are a fascist thug, yet you treat them like they have redeeming qualities. Do they amuse you? They're gross and humorless. You're now his token lefty which he tries to use to get just a slight bit of credibility which isn't working. I don't get it.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#968 » by omerome » Mon Nov 2, 2020 6:16 pm

Synciere wrote:All these companies boarding up their stores around the city.... are they preparing for riots if Trump wins, or if he loses??

Both. It will be a crazy couple of days thanks to the goblin in the White House.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#969 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Nov 2, 2020 6:18 pm

Dranae wrote:
Synciere wrote:All these companies boarding up their stores around the city.... are they preparing for riots if Trump wins, or if he loses??
Both.

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Probably both

Trump will declare victory on election night regardless of the results so tensions between his supporters and the rest of the country may boil over at any time in the next week

The vote total will not be fully validated for several days in some key states and Trump is going to use this window to sow his seeds of hatred among his followers

It is not a good situation even with Biden winning, because Trump is so anti-democracy in his conduct
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#970 » by Boss_ » Mon Nov 2, 2020 6:30 pm

I cant wait for this all to be over so we can go back to our normal lives, and for this forum to go back to some Knicks basketball talk..
in..December?
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#971 » by Pointgod » Mon Nov 2, 2020 6:32 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
Dranae wrote:
Synciere wrote:All these companies boarding up their stores around the city.... are they preparing for riots if Trump wins, or if he loses??
Both.

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Probably both

Trump will declare victory on election night regardless of the results so tensions between his supporters and the rest of the country may boil over at any time in the next week

The vote total will not be fully validated for several days in some key states and Trump is going to use this window to sow his seeds of hatred among his followers

It is not a good situation even with Biden winning, because Trump is so anti-democracy in his conduct


Trump could put any thoughts of violence to an end if he came out and said that all votes should be counted and neither party should postpone declaring victory till a result is clear. The problem is Donald Trump. It’s always been Donald Trump, there’s been no problem with accepting election results or legitimacy until he came along (Bush v Gore was not about legitimacy). Of course he’s a piece of **** and thriving on the chaos and possible violence.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#972 » by EnigmatiC » Mon Nov 2, 2020 6:32 pm

Boss_ wrote:I cant wait for this all to be over so we can go back to our normal lives, and for this forum to go back to some Knicks basketball talk..
in..December?


yes so instead of talking about 2 losers we can talk about 15 losers :D
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#973 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Nov 2, 2020 6:36 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
So when you are busted you never show the courage to admit you are wrong.

As always, your cowardice shines through everything you do

This is definitely the pinnacle of your inept posting

Your pathetic Nazi panic is stinking up the joint


@BallSac there are no numbers from the protests bc WE ... WORE ... MASKS!

You already know this bc if you had numbers showing virus spread from the protests you would have posted them. You’ll also notice that the police also didn’t have virus spread from the protests. Ugh


You call this guy your friend? They are a fascist thug, yet you treat them like they have redeeming qualities. Do they amuse you? They're gross and humorless. You're now his token lefty which he tries to use to get just a slight bit of credibility which isn't working. I don't get it.


Hey, I never said “friend.” And I’m sure he would not use that term to describe the nature of our relationship either. What I said was that we could debate without engaging in ad hominem attacks and he occasionally would have concessions. Remember, this was all pre/Trump.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#974 » by Pointgod » Mon Nov 2, 2020 6:40 pm

omerome wrote:What pisses me off is not the mountain of lies this guy in the White House makes each day. Not the fact that over 230k people have passed away from COVID and there is no plan in sight from his administration other than just wishing it went away like a miracle. Not the fact that he is a misogynistic, bigoted racist that only cares about himself. Not the fact that he cheats on his taxes and to this day still can't show us his tax returns. Not the fact that we still don't know the whereabouts of over 500 children by his policies. Not the fact that he has to be shamed into disavowing white nationalists (which he still doesn't really disavow). Not the fact that his family is working in the White House simply because they are related to him and yet wants us to pretend it isn't happening. Not the fact that the GOP couldn't care less about helping anyone but the rich and powerful and staying in power. Not the fact that he is the most corrupt and evil person to hold the office.

All of these things are horrible. But what really pisses me off is over 40% of people in this country are not only okay with it, but they are willing to go through it for another term. Lighting yourself on fire so the smoke and ash can make your neighbor cough is just bringing harm to yourself and then someone else has to take care of the problem. That spite is literally getting people killed. Why are those people okay with this?

We may not share political ideologies and that's fine, but we're still all Americans. We should all want each other to do well and succeed. We should still care about each other's well-being. And instead, from the top, we have an angry president who has from day one divided this country into two categories - his following vs. everyone else. And last I checked, he is not just the president of his following; but of the entire United States. If he wanted to simply be the former, he should have started a fan club and let the adults run for public office. We should not look at our neighbors and co-workers are enemies. We shouldn't stop talking to family members, but sadly, here we are. And it's thanks to not only him, but people who blindly go along with it.

The past four years truly have felt like you've been tied to a chair while a toddler is holding a gun AND his parents are recording the video on TikTok.

By the way, the world is also watching.


40% of the country would rather see it burn to the ground just to satisfy their own selfishness and tribalism. This is not surprising, this is how authoritarianism grows and flourishes. This is how Putin gets to a 90% approval in Russia and wins 90% of the vote. It’s already started, once you go down the path of authoritarianism there is no recovery. Tuesday is the last chance for Democracy. The good thing is that a lot of the 40% isn’t completely lost, but Trump is the cancer that fans the flames and reinforces their work instincts.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#975 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Nov 2, 2020 6:42 pm

Let us not forget that the Republican Party has only recently been released from a 35 year federal consent decree whereby they agreed to not harass voters at the ballot box.

https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/550052/
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#976 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Nov 2, 2020 6:43 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
@BallSac there are no numbers from the protests bc WE ... WORE ... MASKS!

You already know this bc if you had numbers showing virus spread from the protests you would have posted them. You’ll also notice that the police also didn’t have virus spread from the protests. Ugh


You call this guy your friend? They are a fascist thug, yet you treat them like they have redeeming qualities. Do they amuse you? They're gross and humorless. You're now his token lefty which he tries to use to get just a slight bit of credibility which isn't working. I don't get it.


Hey, I never said “friend.” And I’m sure he would not use that term to describe the nature of our relationship either. What I said was that we could debate without engaging in ad hominem attacks and he occasionally would have concessions. Remember, this was all pre/Trump.


Well, you did post "that's why I love you" recently when you were chuckling about something they wrote. It has seemed rather buddy-like to me. Not pre-Trump, this is now.

Look, I'm not here to tell you who to fraternize with. That's your choice.

But the chumminess you've displayed when they are clearly a Nazi and don't deserve any respect whatsoever with their constant outpouring of lies is puzzling. They are the absolute worst troll constantly agitating with bad faith reasoning and doctored data so I simply do not get it. Pal'ing around with Nazis makes me nauseous, but you do what you want.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#977 » by Boss_ » Mon Nov 2, 2020 6:50 pm

EnigmatiC wrote:
Boss_ wrote:I cant wait for this all to be over so we can go back to our normal lives, and for this forum to go back to some Knicks basketball talk..
in..December?


yes so instead of talking about 2 losers we can talk about 15 losers :D


At least thats something we can all agree on
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Post#978 » by omerome » Mon Nov 2, 2020 6:58 pm

Pointgod wrote:
omerome wrote:What pisses me off is not the mountain of lies this guy in the White House makes each day. Not the fact that over 230k people have passed away from COVID and there is no plan in sight from his administration other than just wishing it went away like a miracle. Not the fact that he is a misogynistic, bigoted racist that only cares about himself. Not the fact that he cheats on his taxes and to this day still can't show us his tax returns. Not the fact that we still don't know the whereabouts of over 500 children by his policies. Not the fact that he has to be shamed into disavowing white nationalists (which he still doesn't really disavow). Not the fact that his family is working in the White House simply because they are related to him and yet wants us to pretend it isn't happening. Not the fact that the GOP couldn't care less about helping anyone but the rich and powerful and staying in power. Not the fact that he is the most corrupt and evil person to hold the office.

All of these things are horrible. But what really pisses me off is over 40% of people in this country are not only okay with it, but they are willing to go through it for another term. Lighting yourself on fire so the smoke and ash can make your neighbor cough is just bringing harm to yourself and then someone else has to take care of the problem. That spite is literally getting people killed. Why are those people okay with this?

We may not share political ideologies and that's fine, but we're still all Americans. We should all want each other to do well and succeed. We should still care about each other's well-being. And instead, from the top, we have an angry president who has from day one divided this country into two categories - his following vs. everyone else. And last I checked, he is not just the president of his following; but of the entire United States. If he wanted to simply be the former, he should have started a fan club and let the adults run for public office. We should not look at our neighbors and co-workers are enemies. We shouldn't stop talking to family members, but sadly, here we are. And it's thanks to not only him, but people who blindly go along with it.

The past four years truly have felt like you've been tied to a chair while a toddler is holding a gun AND his parents are recording the video on TikTok.

By the way, the world is also watching.


40% of the country would rather see it burn to the ground just to satisfy their own selfishness and tribalism. This is not surprising, this is how authoritarianism grows and flourishes. This is how Putin gets to a 90% approval in Russia and wins 90% of the vote. It’s already started, once you go down the path of authoritarianism there is no recovery. Tuesday is the last chance for Democracy. The good thing is that a lot of the 40% isn’t completely lost, but Trump is the cancer that fans the flames and reinforces their work instincts.

It's stories like this that just make me sad. Families literally breaking apart because of who you voted for. I remember Bush Jr., but never did I ever consider cutting someone out of my life because they voted for him. He may have done some bad things, but that pales in comparison to the current occupant's resume.

When lifelong Democrat Mayra Gomez told her 21-year-old son five months ago that she was voting for Donald Trump in Tuesday’s presidential election, he cut her out of his life.

“He specifically told me, ‘You are no longer my mother, because you are voting for Trump’,” Gomez, 41, a personal care worker in Milwaukee, told Reuters. Their last conversation was so bitter that she is not sure they can reconcile, even if Trump loses his re-election bid.

“The damage is done. In people’s minds, Trump is a monster. It’s sad. There are people not talking to me anymore, and I’m not sure that will change,” said Gomez, who is a fan of Trump’s crackdown on illegal immigrants and handling of the economy.

Gomez is not alone in thinking the bitter splits within families and among friends over Trump’s tumultuous presidency will be difficult, if not impossible, to repair, even after he leaves office - whenever that is.

In interviews with 10 voters - five Trump supporters and five backing Democratic candidate Joe Biden - few could see the wrecked personal relationships caused by Trump’s tenure fully healing, and most believed them destroyed forever.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-families/you-are-no-longer-my-mother-a-divided-america-will-struggle-to-heal-after-trump-era-idUSKBN27I16E

Thanks to his extremely divisive messaging, this is not surprising. The resident in the White House has made anyone who doesn't support him the enemy. And if you go along with that message, you should not be surprised when everyone else looks at you the same.

I hope enough people can see him for the "man" he truly is and returns this country on the path it needs to go so we can be better. Because we are better than this. We can't afford to fail. Or we will be failing not only ourselves but for future generations too. Your vote is for your unborn relative. Please let it be one they can live with - literally.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#979 » by BallSacBounce » Mon Nov 2, 2020 6:58 pm

omerome wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:
RShahNyC89 wrote:
Yes the higher your age and the more comorbidities you have, the lower your survival rate. That is not unique to COVID-19, it's for everything. However, underlying health issues is a crutch to make it seem like it isn't as dangerous as it is.

Over 65 - Appx 50 million
Smokers - Appx 35 million
Hypertension - Appx 110 million
Diabetics - Appx 35 million
Asthma/COPD - Appx 25 million+

All of these people have pre-existing conditions. That doesn't even account for people with autoimmune conditions that are on immunosuppressives, people that don't know they have those conditions because of a lack of healthcare and various other things that health insurance categorize as having a pre-existing condition.

There are estimates that show pre-existing conditions are present in 1/2 american adults.

I took care of nothing but COVID-19 patients from end of March to end of May here in Manhattan. The majority of my deaths were in the elderly, but we had deaths in younger patients and we had severe illnesses that did not result in deaths in many more.

Anecdotally an example is a late 30s year old father of 2 that had a history of childhood asthma (someone that didn't even have an asthma pump anymore) had a 20 day hospitalization that resulted in being discharge on oxygen. This guy's life is forever changed. But he doesn't count as a death and this **** is embarrassing that it's politicized.

People went from thanking frontline workers to trying to discredit us on TV to support their political idealogies. Trying to make it sound like people are lying (despite things that are starting back up) and that we do it for money?

Well these Trump supporters at these massive rallies should be dropping like flies then. How come they're not?

They may not be dropping like flies, but thanks to these rallies (which are superspreader events), this virus is getting opportunities to mutate. And because of this mutation, the virus may become more contagious.

A study involving more than 5,000 COVID-19 patients in Houston finds that the virus that causes the disease is accumulating genetic mutations, one of which may have made it more contagious. This mirrors a study published in July that found that around the world, viral strains with the same genetic mutation quickly outcompeted other strains.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/10/201030142123.htm

Is this another example of, "if I don't see it, it doesn't exist" logic I keep seeing?

Generally speaking, not always but generally, when they mutate they become less deadly. It's not good for spreading if they kill the host. The Spanish Flu was one very notable exception.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#980 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Nov 2, 2020 7:08 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
You call this guy your friend? They are a fascist thug, yet you treat them like they have redeeming qualities. Do they amuse you? They're gross and humorless. You're now his token lefty which he tries to use to get just a slight bit of credibility which isn't working. I don't get it.


Hey, I never said “friend.” And I’m sure he would not use that term to describe the nature of our relationship either. What I said was that we could debate without engaging in ad hominem attacks and he occasionally would have concessions. Remember, this was all pre/Trump.


Well, you did post "that's why I love you" recently when you were chuckling about something they wrote. It has seemed rather buddy-like to me. Not pre-Trump, this is now.

Look, I'm not here to tell you who to fraternize with. That's your choice.

But the chumminess you've displayed when they are clearly a Nazi and don't deserve any respect whatsoever with their constant outpouring of lies is puzzling. They are the absolute worst troll constantly agitating with bad faith reasoning and doctored data so I simply do not get it. Pal'ing around with Nazis makes me nauseous, but you do what you want.


He probably conceded on a point at issue. Perhaps you should read my OP again above where I called him out (which I’ve done numerous times) and now you’re chastising me for not calling him derogatory names? Really? I’m also trying - albeit unsuccessfully - to reason with him, Grasshopper.

If you want to call him names and get all angry, please be my guest. I’m having a relaxing day.

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