2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

[Little Digger]

Okoro is a good defensive prospect but people who paint him as the second coming of Scottie Pippen on that end are way off. Okoro is not nearly as disruptive as most good defensive wings were in college already. And yeah, his inability to shoot is definitely a big deal.

I like the kid, but some of you guys are going way overboard with him (with pointless redundancy (or obsession even), I'd like to add).

the same critical line over and over without first contributing anything of interest or building any type of rapport with me..

Adios..Have a good life..I wish it was this easy to ignore in my high stakes poker games

The Okoro love fest will not be deterred..

Okoro is not nearly as disruptive as most good defensive wings were in college already? I’m certainly going to miss out on your talent evaluation expertise ..oh well..Eventually I’ll learn to live without it..

[Mylie10]

I watched quite a few Okoro college games and he’s plenty disruptive. I really don’t care what some snot nosed nerdy analytics dude says who probably never bounced a basketball.

Those defensive stats have a ton of noise and are held hostage by the people logging the stats.

For instance, one guy watching film sees a guy teach into a passing lane and gets a finger tip on a ball. But the stats nerd didn’t put context into his decision to realize that the snot nosed kid who threw the pass, threw a totally horrible pass that just happened to get tipped by the defensive player. Great.......that stat means nothing to me.

Okoro is big and strong. Defense and finishing is his current calling card. His shot looks ok, but obviously the results aren’t there. So that’s why you get the Stanley Johnson comparison. But to me Okoro is a winner, and that means a ton to me when looking at guys.

[lars_rosenberg]

Only lock is Okoro and he might go 11th..

If he never develops a jump shot, he's a lock to be a minimum salary player.

If he never develops a jump shot, he'll be a bigger, stronger, more athletic Tony Allen which seems like a solid addition to any contender's bench.

Or he will be Michael Kidd-Gilchrist.

[Onus]

I watched quite a few Okoro college games and he’s plenty disruptive. I really don’t care what some snot nosed nerdy analytics dude says who probably never bounced a basketball.

Those defensive stats have a ton of noise and are held hostage by the people logging the stats.

For instance, one guy watching film sees a guy teach into a passing lane and gets a finger tip on a ball. But the stats nerd didn’t put context into his decision to realize that the snot nosed kid who threw the pass, threw a totally horrible pass that just happened to get tipped by the defensive player. Great.......that stat means nothing to me.

Okoro is big and strong. Defense and finishing is his current calling card. His shot looks ok, but obviously the results aren’t there. So that’s why you get the Stanley Johnson comparison. But to me Okoro is a winner, and that means a ton to me when looking at guys.

His shot does not look ok. He has a hitch in his shot at the top. Can it be fixed sure but it’ll be a while before it’s good.

I think Avdija is a similar percentage shooter as okoro but I buy his shot improving over okoro.

[Chupchup]

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I agree with him. True centers aren’t valuable. They have to be able to defend the perimeter like ad is capable of doing.

Can wiseman do that? Idk

Yeah same thoughts here. Wiseman might be able to do it but really wish there was more college video. If he can't guard or shoot from the perimeter then it becomes tough. The issue is he overlaps with draymond. At least the old 3 point shooting draymond...When draymond plays the five it unlocks our offense and leaves the paint open for cuts, lane drives etc. So with Draymond playing 14 mins at the 5. Looney playing 15 mins at the 5. How much do we really want to invest in a 5 man to cover the rest of the minutes.

[Little Digger]

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[Little Digger]

OK after watching that video I’ve decided I’ll be happy with Edwards..not so much from a basketball perspective , but because he’s such a good kid with a tough upbringing..and he’s so talented..maybe the warriors culture will be enough

[TB]

Schmitz hinting at alot of what I was saying a few pages back. The difference between Edwards and Okoro path from a team standpoint is almost complete opposite.

Edwards has been on awful, young teams that he pretty much had to be the Kobe for that team, and he simply doesn't have the skill or maturity yet to do it. However when he's on and keeping games close, he looks amazing on both ends. But he loses confidence and interest when things go bad.

Okoro has been on great, veteran teams, and has learned to play smart team ball while not being needed to develop a go-to scorer mentality. I mean he had 5 points in a win vs Edwards high school team while Edwards had over 30.

I probably lean towards Okoro because he reminds me of Leonard, who also played with a good older college team and just had to learn winning ball. Then he did the same in San Antonio until he developed that go-to mentality.

But I can't deny that Edwards has crazy potential if he gets to a team thats good and everyone sees that he has no problem competing when he's on a team capable of showing him the way.

[wco81]

Team needs someone like Okoro more, to be the top dog to take on the best player on the opponent.

Far more than a shot creator, even if that guy may have the potential to be a big time scorer.

Just question if Okoro can be more effective than Thybulle was in his rookie season.

[TB]

Team needs someone like Okoro more, to be the top dog to take on the best player on the opponent.

Far more than a shot creator, even if that guy may have the potential to be a big time scorer.

Just question if Okoro can be more effective than Thybulle was in his rookie season.

Thybulle is just a really unique player. He might be the best off-ball defensive prospect I can recall. The ultimate instinct player and disruptor who stacks up insane steals and blocks. Then on offense he just doesn't attack at all, but has proven to be a capable shooter (college FT indicator proven correct that he could improve).

Okoro will not cause that type of disruption on defense, it's just not possible. He's going to be more like Jrue Holiday. Solid steal/block numbers but not mind-blowing. Yet he's strong, smart, and makes everything difficult for the offense. A little like Klay in that regard as well.

On offense, he's got an elite ability to score/get fouled attacking. He doesn't do it a ton, but he's incredibly efficient. He's just got way more offensive potential than Thybulle because of how lethal he can be if he ever gets to 35% from 3. Where as Thybulle is what he is (in a good way because it looks like he will be able to hit 3s in the NBA).

[ShayDee]

Would you guys be willing to trade Paschall if it means we getting Toppin? They basically the same player, Toppin will make more money obviously, but He is taller, longer, can rebound better, bette rplaymaker and better shooter than Paschall. Also he fits our offense better

[tarantism]

Would you guys be willing to trade Paschall if it means we getting Toppin? They basically the same player, Toppin will make more money obviously, but He is taller, longer, can rebound better, bette rplaymaker and better shooter than Paschall. Also he fits our offense better

Is this a hypothetical where we keep the #2 pick and trade EP to get back into the high lottery?? Because if that's somehow possible then sign me up.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

https://www.sfchronicle.com/warriors/article/Warriors-undecided-on-James-Wiseman-s-potential-15689891.php

Guess our NBA scouts' guesses are as good as ours (For those skeptical of Wiseman). Spot on about his inability to make plays and shooting consistently. Biggest advocates of Wiseman are ShayDee, Coxy, and Mylie10. Your guys' thoughts?

I'm growing more comfortable with either Edwards or Avdija being our guy (Or trade down for Patrick Williams or Saddiq Bey).

[Hopper15]

Conner digging a deeper hole.

[Chupchup]

https://www.sfchronicle.com/warriors/article/Warriors-undecided-on-James-Wiseman-s-potential-15689891.php

Guess our NBA scouts' guesses are as good as ours (For those skeptical of Wiseman). Spot on about his inability to make plays and shooting consistently. Biggest advocates of Wiseman are ShayDee, Coxy, and Mylie10. Your guys' thoughts?

I'm growing more comfortable with Edwards being our guy.

The Warriors are pushing out a lot of fake news. Likely to prevent people from jumping up to number 1 and taking whoever they want.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

https://www.sfchronicle.com/warriors/article/Warriors-undecided-on-James-Wiseman-s-potential-15689891.php

Guess our NBA scouts' guesses are as good as ours (For those skeptical of Wiseman). Spot on about his inability to make plays and shooting consistently. Biggest advocates of Wiseman are ShayDee, Coxy, and Mylie10. Your guys' thoughts?

I'm growing more comfortable with Edwards being our guy.

The Warriors are pushing out a lot of fake news. Likely to prevent people from jumping up to number 1 and taking whoever they want.

There are tangible evidence of who Wiseman is as a player right now. The only thing revealing is his workouts in Miami that either impresses exes or not, and future workouts and the Combine. Could be a smokescreen to allow for other teams eyeing someone they want that high at #2.

[Chupchup]

https://www.sfchronicle.com/warriors/article/Warriors-undecided-on-James-Wiseman-s-potential-15689891.php

Guess our NBA scouts' guesses are as good as ours (For those skeptical of Wiseman). Spot on about his inability to make plays and shooting consistently. Biggest advocates of Wiseman are ShayDee, Coxy, and Mylie10. Your guys' thoughts?

I'm growing more comfortable with either Edwards or Avdija being our guy (Or trade down for Patrick Williams or Saddiq Bey).

I sure hope it's not Avdija at number 2... The guy currently can't shoot. Is a bad free throw shooter. Not projected to be a great defender...

[Coxy]

I'm bored, so I just spent 3 hours looking at videos of the top guys in the draft. I have a new big board with comparison players of who they remind me of.

Coxy's draft big board comparible players - 3/11/2020

1. James Wiseman - David Robinson
2. Killian Hayes - Manu Ginobili
3. Anthony Edwards - Victor Oladipo
4. Obi Toppin - Amare Stoudemire
5. Isaac Okoro - Andre Iguodala
6. Deni Avdija - Wally Szczerbiak
7. Patrick Williams - Gerald Wallace
8. Saddiq Bey - Robert Covington
9. Onyeka Okongwu - Antonio McDyess
10. Jalen Smith - Marcus Camby
11. Tyrese Haliburton - Michael Carter-Williams
12. LaMello Ball - Jason Williams
13. Devin Vassell - Raja Bell
14. Precious Achiuwa - Kenneth Farried

Come at me bro.

[vvoland]

https://www.sfchronicle.com/warriors/article/Warriors-undecided-on-James-Wiseman-s-potential-15689891.php

Guess our NBA scouts' guesses are as good as ours (For those skeptical of Wiseman). Spot on about his inability to make plays and shooting consistently. Biggest advocates of Wiseman are ShayDee, Coxy, and Mylie10. Your guys' thoughts?

I'm growing more comfortable with either Edwards or Avdija being our guy (Or trade down for Patrick Williams or Saddiq Bey).

Huge Wiseman fan, not sure who else can contribute at a high level for us this season. Wiseman as a pick and dive big man will give us what mcgee gave us at his pick. as will his rim protection. We have no other bigs with real length to even bother A.D., Jokic, etc (no one will stop 'em, but just get in their line of sight). There's a real chance his shot is legit but we've not seen it because of the 3 game college season. Athletically, he looks like David Robinson, and the Dubs would get a great fit for their current roster. If he can shoot, he has real start potential.

[northoakland510]

Conner digging a deeper hole.

Conner really doesn't like Wiseman.