2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still

[omerome]

Well these Trump supporters at these massive rallies should be dropping like flies then. How come they're not?

They may not be dropping like flies, but thanks to these rallies (which are superspreader events), this virus is getting opportunities to mutate. And because of this mutation, the virus may become more contagious.

A study involving more than 5,000 COVID-19 patients in Houston finds that the virus that causes the disease is accumulating genetic mutations, one of which may have made it more contagious. This mirrors a study published in July that found that around the world, viral strains with the same genetic mutation quickly outcompeted other strains.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/10/201030142123.htm

Is this another example of, "if I don't see it, it doesn't exist" logic I keep seeing?

Generally speaking, not always but generally, when they mutate they become less deadly. It's not good for spreading if they kill the host. The Spanish Flu was one very notable exception.

The point is, it shouldn't be spreading as it has in the first place.

If this administration actually implemented from the very beginning stringent policies about wearing masks and socially distancing instead of literally doing the opposite, just how many lives could have been saved? And how many fewer opportunities this virus would have a chance to mutate. We don't know if it becomes less deadly. What if it does? What if it doesn't? Why is this even acceptable behavior to you?

[GEOLINK]

Manhattan is getting boarded the fu*k up.

[Clyde_Style]

Hey, I never said “friend.” And I’m sure he would not use that term to describe the nature of our relationship either. What I said was that we could debate without engaging in ad hominem attacks and he occasionally would have concessions. Remember, this was all pre/Trump.

Well, you did post "that's why I love you" recently when you were chuckling about something they wrote. It has seemed rather buddy-like to me. Not pre-Trump, this is now.

Look, I'm not here to tell you who to fraternize with. That's your choice.

But the chumminess you've displayed when they are clearly a Nazi and don't deserve any respect whatsoever with their constant outpouring of lies is puzzling. They are the absolute worst troll constantly agitating with bad faith reasoning and doctored data so I simply do not get it. Pal'ing around with Nazis makes me nauseous, but you do what you want.

He probably conceded on a point at issue. Perhaps you should read my OP again above where I called him out (which I’ve done numerous times) and now you’re chastising me for not calling him derogatory names? Really? I’m also trying - albeit unsuccessfully - to reason with him, Grasshopper.

If you want to call him names and get all angry, please be my guest. I’m having a relaxing day.

I did not chastise you for not calling him derogatory names. I said you were chummy which is puzzling

As far as trying to reason with them: WHY BOTHER?

You know they are not reasonable. They squandered all benefit of the doubt aeons ago

[Clyde_Style]

They may not be dropping like flies, but thanks to these rallies (which are superspreader events), this virus is getting opportunities to mutate. And because of this mutation, the virus may become more contagious.


https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/10/201030142123.htm

Is this another example of, "if I don't see it, it doesn't exist" logic I keep seeing?

Generally speaking, not always but generally, when they mutate they become less deadly. It's not good for spreading if they kill the host. The Spanish Flu was one very notable exception.

The point is, it shouldn't be spreading as it has in the first place.

If this administration actually implemented from the very beginning stringent policies about wearing masks and socially distancing instead of literally doing the opposite, just how many lives could have been saved? And how many fewer opportunities this virus would have a chance to mutate. We don't know if it becomes less deadly. What if it does? What if it doesn't? Why is this even acceptable behavior to you?

The superspreading behavior is turning the American population into a petri dish for the virus to mutate in. It is happening. The new mutations are way more infectious. The arrogance and disregard for basic science of Trumpers is off the hook at this point. I will be wearing a mask far longer than I would have had to because they simply do not GAF about anyone. I see someone in the store not wearing the mask and I see the enemy. These people truly suck. There are so many of them.

[RShahNyC89]

The usual natural course of a virus is to mutate to ensure survivability. More surviving hosts + more contagious + more spreading is natural so I do hope that the mortality (in terms of per person, not in the total population) goes down over time. That being said, any discussion re: mortality can't happen in a vacuum. Resource allocation and a fixed amount of resources/man power is a real issue that we faced at it's worst in NYC. We never took people OFF vents here thankfully, but ICU space and ventilator concerns were real. If we get to a tipping point (and I personally think that we were lucky that the virus peaked here in March into April as opposed to December/January), things could get back to as bad as it was if not worse moving forward.

I don't even get this whole debate about the virus, why not prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

The thought progress with Trump has been A) Its not that bad B) Its getting better C) Well....who could've predicted that?

[HarthorneWingo]

Well, you did post "that's why I love you" recently when you were chuckling about something they wrote. It has seemed rather buddy-like to me. Not pre-Trump, this is now.

Look, I'm not here to tell you who to fraternize with. That's your choice.

But the chumminess you've displayed when they are clearly a Nazi and don't deserve any respect whatsoever with their constant outpouring of lies is puzzling. They are the absolute worst troll constantly agitating with bad faith reasoning and doctored data so I simply do not get it. Pal'ing around with Nazis makes me nauseous, but you do what you want.

He probably conceded on a point at issue. Perhaps you should read my OP again above where I called him out (which I’ve done numerous times) and now you’re chastising me for not calling him derogatory names? Really? I’m also trying - albeit unsuccessfully - to reason with him, Grasshopper.

If you want to call him names and get all angry, please be my guest. I’m having a relaxing day.

I did not chastise you for not calling him derogatory names. I said you were chummy which is puzzling

As far as trying to reason with them: WHY BOTHER?

You know they are not reasonable. They squandered all benefit of the doubt aeons ago

I don't know, I'm bored I guess. You respond to you too. The difference is you get angry at him and I don't. Okay, okay, no more fraternizing with the enemy.

[BallSacBounce]

Fantastic! Now do all the studies and experts showing all the deaths and illnesses caused by the Antifa/BLM protests.

Betcha can't find any. Because it's **** POLITICS!

So when you are busted you never show the courage to admit you are wrong.

As always, your cowardice shines through everything you do

This is definitely the pinnacle of your inept posting

Your pathetic Nazi panic is stinking up the joint

@BallSac there are no numbers from the protests bc WE ... WORE ... MASKS!

You already know this bc if you had numbers showing virus spread from the protests you would have posted them. You’ll also notice that the police also didn’t have virus spread from the protests. Ugh

Jeezus, really? We have a lot of work to do educating people.

Masks are proven to be of little to no use in stopping the spread.

U.S. Surgeon General explains why CDC recommends public does not wear masks

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6145988945001#sp=show-clips

Mar. 31, 2020 - 3:07 - U.S. Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams explains why the CDC and WHO do not recommend the general public wear masks and how doing so could increase your virus risk

Masks were a no ni before they were a yes yes. The science didn't change. It's political kabuki theater.

An Evidence Based Scientific Analysis of Why Masks are Ineffective, Unnecessary, and Harmful

https://www.meehanmd.com/blog/2020-10-10-an-evidence-based-scientific-analysis-of-why-masks-are-ineffective-unnecessary-and-harmful/

Key Points
Decades of the highest-level scientific evidence (meta-analyses of multiple randomized controlled trials) overwhelmingly conclude that medical masks are ineffective at preventing the transmission of respiratory viruses, including SAR-CoV-2.

Those arguing for masks are relying on low-level evidence (observational retrospective trials and mechanistic theories), none of which are powered to counter the evidence, arguments, and risks of mask mandates.

The majority of the population is at very low to almost no risk of severe or lethal disease from CoVID-19.

Children are at an extraordinarily low risk of dying from CoVID-19. Based on CDC published data, 99.99815% of children that contract CoVID-19 survive.

Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 among children in schools and daycares is very rare.

Masks worn properly are well documented to cause harm to their wearers.

Masks worn improperly, re-used, or contaminated are dangerous.Any reasonable risk to benefit analysis of medical masks concludes that the risks overwhelmingly outweigh the benefits.

Children are at imminent risk of harm from mask mandates.

[Clyde_Style]

He probably conceded on a point at issue. Perhaps you should read my OP again above where I called him out (which I’ve done numerous times) and now you’re chastising me for not calling him derogatory names? Really? I’m also trying - albeit unsuccessfully - to reason with him, Grasshopper.

If you want to call him names and get all angry, please be my guest. I’m having a relaxing day.

I did not chastise you for not calling him derogatory names. I said you were chummy which is puzzling

As far as trying to reason with them: WHY BOTHER?

You know they are not reasonable. They squandered all benefit of the doubt aeons ago

I don't know, I'm bored I guess. You respond to you too. The difference is you get angry at him and I don't. Okay, okay, no more fraternizing with the enemy.

I appreciate that. Just FYI, my concern is for you too, because I do feel they are using you to maintain some semblance of connection to the community. An unreasonable troll like this craves the attention of someone giving them credibility and I do feel they were currying favor with you to attain that. I don't think there was a shred of sincerity to any of it, but that is just my take on it

[HarthorneWingo]

I did not chastise you for not calling him derogatory names. I said you were chummy which is puzzling

As far as trying to reason with them: WHY BOTHER?

You know they are not reasonable. They squandered all benefit of the doubt aeons ago

I don't know, I'm bored I guess. You respond to you too. The difference is you get angry at him and I don't. Okay, okay, no more fraternizing with the enemy.

I appreciate that. Just FYI, my concern is for you too, because I do feel they are using you to maintain some semblance of connection to the community. An unreasonable troll like this craves the attention of someone giving them credibility and I do feel they were currying favor with you to attain that. I don't think there was a shred of sincerity to any of it, but that is just my take on it

LOL, I can handle myself just fine, thank you. But I think if you go back and look at my posts you will see that I am The Iron Fist in the Velvet Glove.

[Clyde_Style]

I don't know, I'm bored I guess. You respond to you too. The difference is you get angry at him and I don't. Okay, okay, no more fraternizing with the enemy.

I appreciate that. Just FYI, my concern is for you too, because I do feel they are using you to maintain some semblance of connection to the community. An unreasonable troll like this craves the attention of someone giving them credibility and I do feel they were currying favor with you to attain that. I don't think there was a shred of sincerity to any of it, but that is just my take on it

LOL, I can handle myself just fine, thank you. But I think if you go back and look at my posts you will see that I am The Iron Fist in the Velvet Glove.

was that the one co-starring Marilyn Chambers?

[BKlutch]

I did not chastise you for not calling him derogatory names. I said you were chummy which is puzzling

As far as trying to reason with them: WHY BOTHER?

You know they are not reasonable. They squandered all benefit of the doubt aeons ago

I don't know, I'm bored I guess. You respond to you too. The difference is you get angry at him and I don't. Okay, okay, no more fraternizing with the enemy.

I appreciate that. Just FYI, my concern is for you too, because I do feel they are using you to maintain some semblance of connection to the community. An unreasonable troll like this craves the attention of someone giving them credibility and I do feel they were currying favor with you to attain that. I don't think there was a shred of sincerity to any of it, but that is just my take on it

I did not want to encourage them and waste my time, so I put them on ignore and I've never looked back. There is little enough time to spend on good things.

[BallSacBounce]

He probably conceded on a point at issue. Perhaps you should read my OP again above where I called him out (which I’ve done numerous times) and now you’re chastising me for not calling him derogatory names? Really? I’m also trying - albeit unsuccessfully - to reason with him, Grasshopper.

If you want to call him names and get all angry, please be my guest. I’m having a relaxing day.

I did not chastise you for not calling him derogatory names. I said you were chummy which is puzzling

As far as trying to reason with them: WHY BOTHER?

You know they are not reasonable. They squandered all benefit of the doubt aeons ago

I don't know, I'm bored I guess. You respond to you too. The difference is you get angry at him and I don't. Okay, okay, no more fraternizing with the enemy.

Sometimes I identify as a female. From now on I'll put up a capital F at the beginning of my posts so you can use the proper pronoun.

[BallSacBounce]

They may not be dropping like flies, but thanks to these rallies (which are superspreader events), this virus is getting opportunities to mutate. And because of this mutation, the virus may become more contagious.


https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/10/201030142123.htm

Is this another example of, "if I don't see it, it doesn't exist" logic I keep seeing?

Generally speaking, not always but generally, when they mutate they become less deadly. It's not good for spreading if they kill the host. The Spanish Flu was one very notable exception.

The point is, it shouldn't be spreading as it has in the first place.

If this administration actually implemented from the very beginning stringent policies about wearing masks and socially distancing instead of literally doing the opposite, just how many lives could have been saved? And how many fewer opportunities this virus would have a chance to mutate. We don't know if it becomes less deadly. What if it does? What if it doesn't? Why is this even acceptable behavior to you?

We did the masks, we did the social distancing and it didn't stop ****. It never was. It never was intended to, if you remember. The virus will run its course whatever we do. It was supposed to be about giving two weeks for the hospitals to get a buffer so they weren't overwhelmed.

We are way past that point and all supplies are at hand. Time to open things up.

How many people are in depression, becoming alcoholics or drug abusers or committing suicide because they lost their jobs and businesses?

How about all the people with treatable health risks dying because they weren't diagnosed because every thing was in lockdown? What would be the costs of closing down again? How come no one is figuring that?

[Fairview4Life]

Generally speaking, not always but generally, when they mutate they become less deadly. It's not good for spreading if they kill the host. The Spanish Flu was one very notable exception.

The point is, it shouldn't be spreading as it has in the first place.

If this administration actually implemented from the very beginning stringent policies about wearing masks and socially distancing instead of literally doing the opposite, just how many lives could have been saved? And how many fewer opportunities this virus would have a chance to mutate. We don't know if it becomes less deadly. What if it does? What if it doesn't? Why is this even acceptable behavior to you?

We did the masks, we did the social distancing...

Did we?

[dakomish23]

Suck it, Texas GOP

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[Capn'O]

Let's just get him out, K?

[KNIXFAN_83]

The point is, it shouldn't be spreading as it has in the first place.

If this administration actually implemented from the very beginning stringent policies about wearing masks and socially distancing instead of literally doing the opposite, just how many lives could have been saved? And how many fewer opportunities this virus would have a chance to mutate. We don't know if it becomes less deadly. What if it does? What if it doesn't? Why is this even acceptable behavior to you?

We did the masks, we did the social distancing...

Did we?

They simply can not address the incompetence lol.

[Pointgod]

What pisses me off is not the mountain of lies this guy in the White House makes each day. Not the fact that over 230k people have passed away from COVID and there is no plan in sight from his administration other than just wishing it went away like a miracle. Not the fact that he is a misogynistic, bigoted racist that only cares about himself. Not the fact that he cheats on his taxes and to this day still can't show us his tax returns. Not the fact that we still don't know the whereabouts of over 500 children by his policies. Not the fact that he has to be shamed into disavowing white nationalists (which he still doesn't really disavow). Not the fact that his family is working in the White House simply because they are related to him and yet wants us to pretend it isn't happening. Not the fact that the GOP couldn't care less about helping anyone but the rich and powerful and staying in power. Not the fact that he is the most corrupt and evil person to hold the office.

All of these things are horrible. But what really pisses me off is over 40% of people in this country are not only okay with it, but they are willing to go through it for another term. Lighting yourself on fire so the smoke and ash can make your neighbor cough is just bringing harm to yourself and then someone else has to take care of the problem. That spite is literally getting people killed. Why are those people okay with this?

We may not share political ideologies and that's fine, but we're still all Americans. We should all want each other to do well and succeed. We should still care about each other's well-being. And instead, from the top, we have an angry president who has from day one divided this country into two categories - his following vs. everyone else. And last I checked, he is not just the president of his following; but of the entire United States. If he wanted to simply be the former, he should have started a fan club and let the adults run for public office. We should not look at our neighbors and co-workers are enemies. We shouldn't stop talking to family members, but sadly, here we are. And it's thanks to not only him, but people who blindly go along with it.

The past four years truly have felt like you've been tied to a chair while a toddler is holding a gun AND his parents are recording the video on TikTok.

By the way, the world is also watching.

40% of the country would rather see it burn to the ground just to satisfy their own selfishness and tribalism. This is not surprising, this is how authoritarianism grows and flourishes. This is how Putin gets to a 90% approval in Russia and wins 90% of the vote. It’s already started, once you go down the path of authoritarianism there is no recovery. Tuesday is the last chance for Democracy. The good thing is that a lot of the 40% isn’t completely lost, but Trump is the cancer that fans the flames and reinforces their work instincts.

It's stories like this that just make me sad. Families literally breaking apart because of who you voted for. I remember Bush Jr., but never did I ever consider cutting someone out of my life because they voted for him. He may have done some bad things, but that pales in comparison to the current occupant's resume.

When lifelong Democrat Mayra Gomez told her 21-year-old son five months ago that she was voting for Donald Trump in Tuesday’s presidential election, he cut her out of his life.

“He specifically told me, ‘You are no longer my mother, because you are voting for Trump’,” Gomez, 41, a personal care worker in Milwaukee, told Reuters. Their last conversation was so bitter that she is not sure they can reconcile, even if Trump loses his re-election bid.

“The damage is done. In people’s minds, Trump is a monster. It’s sad. There are people not talking to me anymore, and I’m not sure that will change,” said Gomez, who is a fan of Trump’s crackdown on illegal immigrants and handling of the economy.

Gomez is not alone in thinking the bitter splits within families and among friends over Trump’s tumultuous presidency will be difficult, if not impossible, to repair, even after he leaves office - whenever that is.

In interviews with 10 voters - five Trump supporters and five backing Democratic candidate Joe Biden - few could see the wrecked personal relationships caused by Trump’s tenure fully healing, and most believed them destroyed forever.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-families/you-are-no-longer-my-mother-a-divided-america-will-struggle-to-heal-after-trump-era-idUSKBN27I16E

Thanks to his extremely divisive messaging, this is not surprising. The resident in the White House has made anyone who doesn't support him the enemy. And if you go along with that message, you should not be surprised when everyone else looks at you the same.

I hope enough people can see him for the "man" he truly is and returns this country on the path it needs to go so we can be better. Because we are better than this. We can't afford to fail. Or we will be failing not only ourselves but for future generations too. Your vote is for your unborn relative. Please let it be one they can live with - literally.

I completely get it. My own family is not immune from this and I don’t even live in the U.S. Now here’s the thing that baffles me from the perspective of a Trump supporter, okay you voted for him in 2016 but after seeing all the anger, chaos and hate with Trump AS PRESIDENT, if you don’t want further violence and don’t actual hate your neighbors because of political beliefs then why would you want 4 more years. I hear people bemoan that the country is divided, well the main cause of that is Trump! Wouldn’t it logically make sense to try something new because obviously what’s happening now isn’t working. And it’s not a Republican thing. Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush supporters weren’t attacking people at their rallies, they didn’t have Neo Nazis singing their praises. It’s crazy people forget this has been a problem since 2015 and it all started with Trump. If someone truly cares about violence and the direction of the country, then just vote Biden.

[Pointgod]

So when you are busted you never show the courage to admit you are wrong.

As always, your cowardice shines through everything you do

This is definitely the pinnacle of your inept posting

Your pathetic Nazi panic is stinking up the joint

@BallSac there are no numbers from the protests bc WE ... WORE ... MASKS!

You already know this bc if you had numbers showing virus spread from the protests you would have posted them. You’ll also notice that the police also didn’t have virus spread from the protests. Ugh

Jeezus, really? We have a lot of work to do educating people.

Masks are proven to be of little to no use in stopping the spread.

U.S. Surgeon General explains why CDC recommends public does not wear masks

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6145988945001#sp=show-clips

Mar. 31, 2020 - 3:07 - U.S. Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams explains why the CDC and WHO do not recommend the general public wear masks and how doing so could increase your virus risk

Masks were a no ni before they were a yes yes. The science didn't change. It's political kabuki theater.

An Evidence Based Scientific Analysis of Why Masks are Ineffective, Unnecessary, and Harmful

https://www.meehanmd.com/blog/2020-10-10-an-evidence-based-scientific-analysis-of-why-masks-are-ineffective-unnecessary-and-harmful/

Key Points
Decades of the highest-level scientific evidence (meta-analyses of multiple randomized controlled trials) overwhelmingly conclude that medical masks are ineffective at preventing the transmission of respiratory viruses, including SAR-CoV-2.

Those arguing for masks are relying on low-level evidence (observational retrospective trials and mechanistic theories), none of which are powered to counter the evidence, arguments, and risks of mask mandates.

The majority of the population is at very low to almost no risk of severe or lethal disease from CoVID-19.

Children are at an extraordinarily low risk of dying from CoVID-19. Based on CDC published data, 99.99815% of children that contract CoVID-19 survive.

Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 among children in schools and daycares is very rare.

Masks worn properly are well documented to cause harm to their wearers.

Masks worn improperly, re-used, or contaminated are dangerous.Any reasonable risk to benefit analysis of medical masks concludes that the risks overwhelmingly outweigh the benefits.

Children are at imminent risk of harm from mask mandates.

Before you conveniently change subjects, shouldn’t you provide some evidence of black lives matter protests spreading coronavirus if you’re trying to prove that makes don’t work?

[MavCarter]

No matter who wins tomorrow unfortunately progressives still lose

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