Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory

[drsd]

When Weltman took over he said that we'd have to make the playoffs to get players value up. Right now Vuc will never have higher value. Will Weltman practice what he preaches and sell high?

This is a reason why teams like the Nets and the Warriors are rumored to consider Vučević.

[pepe1991]

When Weltman took over he said that we'd have to make the playoffs to get players value up. Right now Vuc will never have higher value. Will Weltman practice what he preaches and sell high?

This is a reason why teams like the Nets and the Warriors are rumored to consider Vučević.

Imo Warriors are just doing bunch of smoke screens that's why leak how blown away they are with Wiseman or any other projected top 10 pick they have practice with.
Craziest thing Warriors can do is trade pick and recive player worth $17M without giving ANYTHING in return due their trade exception.

Now, i'm not sure can they combine trade exception+ player to get somebody like, for example, pick, trade exception and Green. If they can, things get scary and amount of potential trade partners for them is unlimited. That type of trades allow them to add guys like Gobert, Kawhi, Embiid, Booker, Siakam oooor... Ben Simmons. Witch is pretty much perfect fit for team like them and replacment for Green.

That type of scenario would allow them to trade for both Evan and Gordon(and even third filler like Birch) by just moving Draymoond Green and pick. They would still have Wiggins and look elsewhere to dump him.


https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/10/various-ways-warriors-could-use-trade-exception.html


here is full article, Warriors can offer Magic nothing but pick and filler and still add Gordon.

[zaymon]

When Weltman took over he said that we'd have to make the playoffs to get players value up. Right now Vuc will never have higher value. Will Weltman practice what he preaches and sell high?

This is a reason why teams like the Nets and the Warriors are rumored to consider Vučević.

Imo Warriors are just doing bunch of smoke screens that's why leak how blown away they are with Wiseman or any other projected top 10 pick they have practice with.
Craziest thing Warriors can do is trade pick and recive player worth $17M without giving ANYTHING in return due their trade exception.

Now, i'm not sure can they combine trade exception+ player to get somebody like, for example, pick, trade exception and Green. If they can, things get scary and amount of potential trade partners for them is unlimited. That type of trades allow them to add guys like Gobert, Kawhi, Embiid, Booker, Siakam oooor... Ben Simmons. Witch is pretty much perfect fit for team like them and replacment for Green.

That type of scenario would allow them to trade for both Evan and Gordon(and even third filler like Birch) by just moving Draymoond Green and pick. They would still have Wiggins and look elsewhere to dump him.


https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/10/various-ways-warriors-could-use-trade-exception.html


here is full article, Warriors can offer Magic nothing but pick and filler and still add Gordon.

Gordon contract is too big for their tpe. I hope GSW end up with Wiseman and Wiggins. According to their fans its a wonderful duo.

[Knightro]

You can't force trades. Period.

You can't force trades, no.

But any player in the league, including every single player on the Magic, can be traded if the team doing the trading is motivated enough to do it.

It all depends on what the desired outcome is.

Could the Magic dump Vucevic right now for a pupu platter that likely make them a little/a lot worse on the court this upcoming year? Of course they could.

And if they were inclined to rebuild/retool/have a year where they take a step backwards or whatever you want to call it, these sorts of deals are absolutely out there.

[jonbob17]

I mean what trade value is that people think Vuc has? He is a very good center, getting paid like a very good center. His contract is basically, like a team signing him for a fair value contract in free agency. There is not a lot of value. What could we get? I mean maybe some sort of sign and trade for like a Fred Van Vleet, if Toronto wanted to address center. Or we are taking back money.

Trades in this league that get good returns are teams dumping salary or players with a lot of excess contract value. Those could be guys that are out playing the contract, or max guys that are just worth more than the max deal dollars, the top 20 guys in the league.

We don't have any of those guys. AG's contract is ok. JI was worth significantly more than his rookie deal, but obviously won't be playing again on that contract.

The FO should be looking to make this team as good as possible at a specific point in time in the future. Is a likely declining Vuc going to help the team 3 years from now with the rest of the guys might be realizing their potential. Highly unlikely. They should be planning for that point in time, not next May in game one of the 1vs8 seed playoff game.

Should they trade Vuc? I don't know, it's probably about as questionable as signing him to begin with. He isn't bringing back a ton. They should absolutely be looking to trade AG, and getting future players as much playing time as possible. Yah, the Magic could probably be an 6-10 seed for a very long time. You can always sign good enough guys to compete, and spend your money on the now rather than the future. If that is the goal of this FO and ownership count me out. I expect more.

[pepe1991]

This is a reason why teams like the Nets and the Warriors are rumored to consider Vučević.

Imo Warriors are just doing bunch of smoke screens that's why leak how blown away they are with Wiseman or any other projected top 10 pick they have practice with.
Craziest thing Warriors can do is trade pick and recive player worth $17M without giving ANYTHING in return due their trade exception.

Now, i'm not sure can they combine trade exception+ player to get somebody like, for example, pick, trade exception and Green. If they can, things get scary and amount of potential trade partners for them is unlimited. That type of trades allow them to add guys like Gobert, Kawhi, Embiid, Booker, Siakam oooor... Ben Simmons. Witch is pretty much perfect fit for team like them and replacment for Green.

That type of scenario would allow them to trade for both Evan and Gordon(and even third filler like Birch) by just moving Draymoond Green and pick. They would still have Wiggins and look elsewhere to dump him.


https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/10/various-ways-warriors-could-use-trade-exception.html


here is full article, Warriors can offer Magic nothing but pick and filler and still add Gordon.

Gordon contract is too big for their tpe. I hope GSW end up with Wiseman and Wiggins. According to their fans its a wonderful duo.

Not gonna lie, Wiggins, Bamba, Fultz and Lamelo would be epic to watch. It would be "The room" with Tommy Wiseau of basketball. Worst basketball roster ever assembled. They might would even achive impossible and go winless whole year.

[MagicFan101]

Imo Warriors are just doing bunch of smoke screens that's why leak how blown away they are with Wiseman or any other projected top 10 pick they have practice with.
Craziest thing Warriors can do is trade pick and recive player worth $17M without giving ANYTHING in return due their trade exception.

Now, i'm not sure can they combine trade exception+ player to get somebody like, for example, pick, trade exception and Green. If they can, things get scary and amount of potential trade partners for them is unlimited. That type of trades allow them to add guys like Gobert, Kawhi, Embiid, Booker, Siakam oooor... Ben Simmons. Witch is pretty much perfect fit for team like them and replacment for Green.

That type of scenario would allow them to trade for both Evan and Gordon(and even third filler like Birch) by just moving Draymoond Green and pick. They would still have Wiggins and look elsewhere to dump him.


https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/10/various-ways-warriors-could-use-trade-exception.html


here is full article, Warriors can offer Magic nothing but pick and filler and still add Gordon.

Gordon contract is too big for their tpe. I hope GSW end up with Wiseman and Wiggins. According to their fans its a wonderful duo.

Not gonna lie, Wiggins, Bamba, Fultz and Lamelo would be epic to watch. It would be "The room" with Tommy Wiseau of basketball. Worst basketball roster ever assembled. They might would even achive impossible and go winless whole year.

If someone can tell me that this roster ultimately earns us a top 2 (preferably #1) pick in the 2021 draft after the lottery selection is determined then sign me up.

[zaymon]

Gordon contract is too big for their tpe. I hope GSW end up with Wiseman and Wiggins. According to their fans its a wonderful duo.

Not gonna lie, Wiggins, Bamba, Fultz and Lamelo would be epic to watch. It would be "The room" with Tommy Wiseau of basketball. Worst basketball roster ever assembled. They might would even achive impossible and go winless whole year.

If someone can tell me that this roster ultimately earns us a top 2 (preferably #1) pick in the 2021 draft after the lottery selection is determined then sign me up.

Tommy Wiseau was polish so i feel obligated to perform this revolutionary operation. Hinkie will look like a pinkie next to me.

[nymets1]

A co worker at work today told me about Lake Mary Sports Complex. I'm going to have to try that Saturday as Westmonte park is definetly my favorite outdoor basketball court. The problem with Westmonte park is as soon as it gets dark, play is over as there's no lights for the basketball court. But Lake Mary Sports Complex has lights for the basketball court.

I've missed you.

i got out of work early today so i went to the Lake Mary sports complex and was disapointed. There was people there to play basketball with and I got to play my favorite basketball game with them (King of the court), which I/We play with 1 shot and 3 dribbles or less. But the bathrooms/water fountain are far from the basketball court and the Men's restroom was out of order. But I don't plan on going back there. Westmonte Park is clearly the best outdoor park/ outdoor recreational center that I been to. I still have Westmonte park ranked #1 easily followed by Trotwood park and Wes Crile Park.

[Jiwol]

Not gonna lie, Wiggins, Bamba, Fultz and Lamelo would be epic to watch. It would be "The room" with Tommy Wiseau of basketball. Worst basketball roster ever assembled. They might would even achive impossible and go winless whole year.

If someone can tell me that this roster ultimately earns us a top 2 (preferably #1) pick in the 2021 draft after the lottery selection is determined then sign me up.

Tommy Wiseau was polish so i feel obligated to perform this revolutionary operation. Hinkie will look like a pinkie next to me.

You're Polish? I was under the impression you were Croatian like Pepe for some reason

[zaymon]

If someone can tell me that this roster ultimately earns us a top 2 (preferably #1) pick in the 2021 draft after the lottery selection is determined then sign me up.

Tommy Wiseau was polish so i feel obligated to perform this revolutionary operation. Hinkie will look like a pinkie next to me.

You're Polish? I was under the impression you were Croatian like Pepe for some reason

We had this conversation, you must have forgot

[BadMofoPimp]

A co worker at work today told me about Lake Mary Sports Complex. I'm going to have to try that Saturday as Westmonte park is definetly my favorite outdoor basketball court. The problem with Westmonte park is as soon as it gets dark, play is over as there's no lights for the basketball court. But Lake Mary Sports Complex has lights for the basketball court.

I've missed you.

i got out of work early today so i went to the Lake Mary sports complex and was disapointed. There was people there to play basketball with and I got to play my favorite basketball game with them (King of the court), which I/We play with 1 shot and 3 dribbles or less. But the bathrooms/water fountain are far from the basketball court and the Men's restroom was out of order. But I don't plan on going back there. Westmonte Park is clearly the best outdoor park/ outdoor recreational center that I been to. I still have Westmonte park ranked #1 easily followed by Trotwood park and Wes Crile Park.

I used to go to the RDV. Sure, they charge for the courts but best gym and pickup games around. Heck, even Scott Anez played there for a while Sunday mornings.

[Jiwol]

Tommy Wiseau was polish so i feel obligated to perform this revolutionary operation. Hinkie will look like a pinkie next to me.

You're Polish? I was under the impression you were Croatian like Pepe for some reason

We had this conversation, you must have forgot

Really?! I'm sorry, don't remember that at all. I think it just show how impassionate I became about this team lately. What happens on the board used to be very important part of my online life. For a few years it's been an afterthought. That or I just got old

[Knightro]

Five players the Magic could target using their mid-level exception. Slim pickings.

-Jordan Clarkson
-Wesley Matthews
-Aron Baynes
-Austin Rivers
-Justin Holiday

https://orlandomagicdaily.com/2020/10/31/orlando-magic-free-agency-five-targets-for-the-mid-level-exception/

[zaymon]

Five players the Magic could target using their mid-level exception

-Jordan Clarkson
-Wesley Matthews
-Aron Baynes
-Austin Rivers
-Justin Holiday

https://orlandomagicdaily.com/2020/10/31/orlando-magic-free-agency-five-targets-for-the-mid-level-exception/

I dont see much upside with them, especially not for full mle. Matthews would give us the most versatility but mle is kind of overpay and i doubt he would want to sign with us.

[Bensational]

Spending the MLE feels like a good way to ruin future cap flexibility on a mediocre player. I'd rather get Aminu off the books first and have WeHam spend on min deals to try find some more Birch/Clark/MCW types to fill out the bench. Although TLC has been a name I've been interested in via FA and he might be worth the full MLE just to try price him out of Brooklyn's range.

Also, it feels like some kind of unspoken narrative is developing that the Magic are moving on from DJ. Are we? That doesn't feel like a WeHam move given how highly they and Clifford speak of him. I would imagine they'd only move on from him if he wanted to go chase a ring somewhere.

[zaymon]

Spending the MLE feels like a good way to ruin future cap flexibility on a mediocre player. I'd rather get Aminu off the books first and have WeHam spend on min deals to try find some more Birch/Clark/MCW types to fill out the bench. Although TLC has been a name I've been interested in via FA and he might be worth the full MLE just to try price him out of Brooklyn's range.

Also, it feels like some kind of unspoken narrative is developing that the Magic are moving on from DJ. Are we? That doesn't feel like a WeHam move given how highly they and Clifford speak of him. I would imagine they'd only move on from him if he wanted to go chase a ring somewhere.

It will be interesting to observe what we do with Dj and MCW. I like both players but we have limited roster space. #45 this year also should produce a potential rotational player (most likely pg).
Dj seems like this teams vocal leader and it will be hard emotionally to move on from him this year. MCW on the other hand is the more undervalued player. Second lineup od MCW/Bane/Ross/Okeke/Bamba could be so fun to watch !!! Outside dropping Bamba its more or less capable of switching everything with more shooting than we saw since 2010. (switch MCW with DJ and we have less defense but 5 out offense,)

[Xatticus]

Five players the Magic could target using their mid-level exception. Slim pickings.

-Jordan Clarkson
-Wesley Matthews
-Aron Baynes
-Austin Rivers
-Justin Holiday

https://orlandomagicdaily.com/2020/10/31/orlando-magic-free-agency-five-targets-for-the-mid-level-exception/

Yuck.

[pepe1991]

i highly doubt guy like Baynes or Mattews will come to rebuilding team

Baynes is really,really above average backup C who brings A LOT ,but once again, he will be much better fit to somebody like Celtics than Magic. I mean you get him, he is everything Bamba isn't he will push him to G league. He knows how to set picks, he even learned how to shoot 3s and will be as physical as it's possible.

[Bensational]

Spending the MLE feels like a good way to ruin future cap flexibility on a mediocre player. I'd rather get Aminu off the books first and have WeHam spend on min deals to try find some more Birch/Clark/MCW types to fill out the bench. Although TLC has been a name I've been interested in via FA and he might be worth the full MLE just to try price him out of Brooklyn's range.

Also, it feels like some kind of unspoken narrative is developing that the Magic are moving on from DJ. Are we? That doesn't feel like a WeHam move given how highly they and Clifford speak of him. I would imagine they'd only move on from him if he wanted to go chase a ring somewhere.

It will be interesting to observe what we do with Dj and MCW. I like both players but we have limited roster space. #45 this year also should produce a potential rotational player (most likely pg).
Dj seems like this teams vocal leader and it will be hard emotionally to move on from him this year. MCW on the other hand is the more undervalued player. Second lineup od MCW/Bane/Ross/Okeke/Bamba could be so fun to watch !!! Outside dropping Bamba its more or less capable of switching everything with more shooting than we saw since 2010. (switch MCW with DJ and we have less defense but 5 out offense,)

I love MCW. I hope we keep him around forever. He's easily one of the most influential players on this roster in terms of how much he can motivate an entire team's defense. His lineup numbers are all quite strong too. MCW is like our Marcus Smart, not as good but not as expensive. I would love to see a matured lineup of Bamba/Isaac/Okeke/MCW/Fultz in the future, just for the defensive potential. I often enjoy watching defense more than offense.

In terms of affordable veteran presence I don't think the team can do much better than MCW.