2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still

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Carville should get back in the saddle and take the role that the Dems abdicated to the Lincoln Project because he is smart, he's savage and he's on our side

And I'll take Carville's read on the situation over the MSM. I agree with him. I pretty much expect we will know enough about Biden's electoral edge to call the outcome by midnight tomorrow

He was wrong about the blue wave in 2018. He said there wasn't on election night but it turns out that it was a few weeks later when it was ofically tallied. I do agree with him that Dems are trying to think that there has to be some sort of protocol and norm. While Republicans are here to play to win. There's only 1 winner and the rest are LOOOOOSERs. Dems need to think like that.

I'll side with Bill Maher when he calls Dems "losers".

2018 didn't necessarily poll as a blue wave until it happened. It was hoped for, but not certain.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/415375-carville-its-not-going-to-be-a-wave-election

As you can see in that article, he was going off the numbers he had, but he did hedge about a blue wave by saying "Hopefully the Democrats get the House back," when it was not yet clear if that was possible.

In 2020, the numbers and polling are way more dense and tabulated across thousands of polls and data points that have shown historical strength for Biden's campaign. It is not a surprise Carville is saying this. In 2018, he didn't expect a blue wave based on the data, but he didn't deny the possibility. This time is more certain so if he's going to have egg on his face it will be from 2020, not 2018

[Clyde_Style]

It's ironic to me that you guys call Trump an Authoritarian and Dictator but when he doesn't declare an authoritarian mandate on lockdowns and masking he is not authoritarian enough. He did everything that is required at a federal level. Imposed travel bans early, made sure masks, testing and ventilators were made available to all that needed them quickly. It is not up to the President or federal government to dictate what individual states do. That is not the way this government works. We still have an overwhelming amount of states rights which was designed to NOT allow a Authoritarian to have complete control on their say of the country as a protection. No one told Cuomo to put sick people in nursing homes or tell the people to continue as normal until it got out of hand and then backtracked and blamed Trump for it.

Trump is a malicious idiot who wouldn't understand federalism and state rights if it bit him on the ass. He has clearly demonstrated the only state's whose rights he respects are the ones run by people who suck him off. If you oppose him in any way you can kiss your state's rights away. Trump has loudly announced multiple times that he is only the president of the red states and everyone else can go F themselves. He's not a president. He's a gang leader.

You are absolutely right! When the Mayor of of Seattle completely lost control of his city and CHAZ took over city property, Trump rushed in with the military within hours and broke it up. Oh wait, noooo he didn't do that......

He has stayed out of state affairs on numerus accounts but he has the right to tell them when they are doing a terrible job. Which just so happens to be a lot of these Democrat run cities and states.

You forgot the part out how right I was that he declared himself as the president of the red states only, but yeah you go girl

[Jeffrey]

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Carville should get back in the saddle and take the role that the Dems abdicated to the Lincoln Project because he is smart, he's savage and he's on our side

And I'll take Carville's read on the situation over the MSM. I agree with him. I pretty much expect we will know enough about Biden's electoral edge to call the outcome by midnight tomorrow

He was wrong about the blue wave in 2018. He said there wasn't on election night but it turns out that it was a few weeks later when it was ofically tallied. I do agree with him that Dems are trying to think that there has to be some sort of protocol and norm. While Republicans are here to play to win. There's only 1 winner and the rest are LOOOOOSERs. Dems need to think like that.

I'll side with Bill Maher when he calls Dems "losers".

2018 didn't necessarily poll as a blue wave until it happened. It was hoped for, but not certain.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/415375-carville-its-not-going-to-be-a-wave-election

As you can see in that article, he was going off the numbers he had, but he did hedge about a blue wave by saying "Hopefully the Democrats get the House back," when it was not yet clear if that was possible.

In 2020, the numbers and polling are way more dense and tabulated across thousands of polls and data points that have shown historical strength for Biden's campaign. It is not a surprise Carville is saying this. In 2018, he didn't expect a blue wave based on the data, but he didn't deny the possibility. This time is more certain so if he's going to have egg on his face it will be from 2020, not 2018

He didn't think it was a blue wave on November 3rd. There were still votes coming on and I believe it was one of the biggest Dems flip in the House. Did he think it wasn't a wave because Dems could breakthrough the Senate as well?

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I'm just speaking in general and towards no one specific. If you don't vote by tomorrow, then why should you comment on politics? Why should I listen to you, hear you bit.ch and wh.ne if you didn't vote. Is it because you really don't have a candidate that supports your thoughts 100%? Who does?!I support all but 1 of Trump's policies and I support all of Biden's policies but a few.

You just set yourself up for the George Carlin monologue on voting.

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Spoiler:

I voted by mail weeks ago, btw...

Carlin is a master and I still love him, but boy he got that one wrong. He's right about the root of it all, but wrong about the voting part. It's sad when an articulate guy like him who has such persuasive powers comes to the wrong conclusions, because right there in that clip is the genesis of America's slide into its current morass of trivial Both-Sides-Isms and false relativism. He actually dumbed down the conversation with his powers of persuasion.

If I were the Biden campaign, I'd take that clip and target every Republican on FB with it and get them to say fukit and stay home

[GONYK]

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[Clyde_Style]

He was wrong about the blue wave in 2018. He said there wasn't on election night but it turns out that it was a few weeks later when it was ofically tallied. I do agree with him that Dems are trying to think that there has to be some sort of protocol and norm. While Republicans are here to play to win. There's only 1 winner and the rest are LOOOOOSERs. Dems need to think like that.

I'll side with Bill Maher when he calls Dems "losers".

2018 didn't necessarily poll as a blue wave until it happened. It was hoped for, but not certain.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/415375-carville-its-not-going-to-be-a-wave-election

As you can see in that article, he was going off the numbers he had, but he did hedge about a blue wave by saying "Hopefully the Democrats get the House back," when it was not yet clear if that was possible.

In 2020, the numbers and polling are way more dense and tabulated across thousands of polls and data points that have shown historical strength for Biden's campaign. It is not a surprise Carville is saying this. In 2018, he didn't expect a blue wave based on the data, but he didn't deny the possibility. This time is more certain so if he's going to have egg on his face it will be from 2020, not 2018

He didn't think it was a blue wave on November 3rd. There were still votes coming on and I believe it was one of the biggest Dems flip in the House. Did he think it wasn't a wave because Dems could breakthrough the Senate as well?

I don't know. I was just referencing an article so we'd have something to talk about. Anyway, I suspect he is correct that we'll know if Biden got over 270 by sometime tomorrow night.

[HarthorneWingo]

I'm just speaking in general and towards no one specific. If you don't vote by tomorrow, then why should you comment on politics? Why should I listen to you, hear you bit.ch and wh.ne if you didn't vote. Is it because you really don't have a candidate that supports your thoughts 100%? Who does?!I support all but 1 of Trump's policies and I support all of Biden's policies but a few.

You think people should lose their Constitutional right to free speech if they choose to exercise their Constitutional right not to vote?

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[Kampuchea]

Current betting odds:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting_odds/2020_president/

Betting Odds.........Nov 2nd
Joe Biden (D).......64.0
Donald Trump (R)..35.0

[Polk377]

Trump is a malicious idiot who wouldn't understand federalism and state rights if it bit him on the ass. He has clearly demonstrated the only state's whose rights he respects are the ones run by people who suck him off. If you oppose him in any way you can kiss your state's rights away. Trump has loudly announced multiple times that he is only the president of the red states and everyone else can go F themselves. He's not a president. He's a gang leader.

You are absolutely right! When the Mayor of of Seattle completely lost control of his city and CHAZ took over city property, Trump rushed in with the military within hours and broke it up. Oh wait, noooo he didn't do that......

He has stayed out of state affairs on numerus accounts but he has the right to tell them when they are doing a terrible job. Which just so happens to be a lot of these Democrat run cities and states.

You forgot the part out how right I was that he declared himself as the president of the red states only, but yeah you go girl

Show me a video or audio of that coming out of his mouth.

[HarthorneWingo]

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I'm just speaking in general and towards no one specific. If you don't vote by tomorrow, then why should you comment on politics? Why should I listen to you, hear you bit.ch and wh.ne if you didn't vote. Is it because you really don't have a candidate that supports your thoughts 100%? Who does?!I support all but 1 of Trump's policies and I support all of Biden's policies but a few.

You just set yourself up for the George Carlin monologue on voting.

Watch on YouTube

Spoiler:

I voted by mail weeks ago, btw...

Carlin is a master and I still love him, but boy he got that one wrong. He's right about the root of it all, but wrong about the voting part. It's sad when an articulate guy like him who has such persuasive powers comes to the wrong conclusions, because right there in that clip is the genesis of America's slide into its current morass of trivial Both-Sides-Isms and false relativism. He actually dumbed down the conversation with his powers of persuasion.

If I were the Biden campaign, I'd take that clip and target every Republican on FB with it and get them to say fukit and stay home

Carlin went through a change towards the end where became, admittedly, less invested emotionally in politics and in our future as a human race. He came to the epiphany that this is just a big shyt show and he was here strictly now as an observer making fun of it all.

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@ 3:00 Carlin talks about how he's no longer invested in society and watches it from a distance.

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[Clyde_Style]

You are absolutely right! When the Mayor of of Seattle completely lost control of his city and CHAZ took over city property, Trump rushed in with the military within hours and broke it up. Oh wait, noooo he didn't do that......

He has stayed out of state affairs on numerus accounts but he has the right to tell them when they are doing a terrible job. Which just so happens to be a lot of these Democrat run cities and states.

You forgot the part out how right I was that he declared himself as the president of the red states only, but yeah you go girl

Show me a video or audio of that coming out of his mouth.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/02/trump-states-rights-education-sanctuary-drilling-492784

I normally do not take orders from MAGA demanding links since that is the game you love to play so much, but here's one. Don't ask for more. I'll just ignore it

[Capn'O]

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I'm just speaking in general and towards no one specific. If you don't vote by tomorrow, then why should you comment on politics? Why should I listen to you, hear you bit.ch and wh.ne if you didn't vote. Is it because you really don't have a candidate that supports your thoughts 100%? Who does?!I support all but 1 of Trump's policies and I support all of Biden's policies but a few.

You just set yourself up for the George Carlin monologue on voting.

Watch on YouTube

Spoiler:

I voted by mail weeks ago, btw...

Carlin is a master and I still love him, but boy he got that one wrong. He's right about the root of it all, but wrong about the voting part. It's sad when an articulate guy like him who has such persuasive powers comes to the wrong conclusions, because right there in that clip is the genesis of America's slide into its current morass of trivial Both-Sides-Isms and false relativism. He actually dumbed down the conversation with his powers of persuasion.

If I were the Biden campaign, I'd take that clip and target every Republican on FB with it and get them to say fukit and stay home

I like to think that he was aware of the logical fallacies in that sketch. He spoke more straightly about his concerns with the process around this same period of his life in interviews and while clearly disillusioned about the entirety of the political spectrum he did not dive into relativism.

In any event, I dropped that more as a wink response to Jeffrey's question.

[Pointgod]

Clyde this one is for you buddy. I still think Trump wins Florida despite your best efforts but this is encouraging.

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[Pointgod]

40% of the country would rather see it burn to the ground just to satisfy their own selfishness and tribalism. This is not surprising, this is how authoritarianism grows and flourishes. This is how Putin gets to a 90% approval in Russia and wins 90% of the vote. It’s already started, once you go down the path of authoritarianism there is no recovery. Tuesday is the last chance for Democracy. The good thing is that a lot of the 40% isn’t completely lost, but Trump is the cancer that fans the flames and reinforces their work instincts.

It's stories like this that just make me sad. Families literally breaking apart because of who you voted for. I remember Bush Jr., but never did I ever consider cutting someone out of my life because they voted for him. He may have done some bad things, but that pales in comparison to the current occupant's resume.

When lifelong Democrat Mayra Gomez told her 21-year-old son five months ago that she was voting for Donald Trump in Tuesday’s presidential election, he cut her out of his life.

“He specifically told me, ‘You are no longer my mother, because you are voting for Trump’,” Gomez, 41, a personal care worker in Milwaukee, told Reuters. Their last conversation was so bitter that she is not sure they can reconcile, even if Trump loses his re-election bid.

“The damage is done. In people’s minds, Trump is a monster. It’s sad. There are people not talking to me anymore, and I’m not sure that will change,” said Gomez, who is a fan of Trump’s crackdown on illegal immigrants and handling of the economy.

Gomez is not alone in thinking the bitter splits within families and among friends over Trump’s tumultuous presidency will be difficult, if not impossible, to repair, even after he leaves office - whenever that is.

In interviews with 10 voters - five Trump supporters and five backing Democratic candidate Joe Biden - few could see the wrecked personal relationships caused by Trump’s tenure fully healing, and most believed them destroyed forever.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-families/you-are-no-longer-my-mother-a-divided-america-will-struggle-to-heal-after-trump-era-idUSKBN27I16E

Thanks to his extremely divisive messaging, this is not surprising. The resident in the White House has made anyone who doesn't support him the enemy. And if you go along with that message, you should not be surprised when everyone else looks at you the same.

I hope enough people can see him for the "man" he truly is and returns this country on the path it needs to go so we can be better. Because we are better than this. We can't afford to fail. Or we will be failing not only ourselves but for future generations too. Your vote is for your unborn relative. Please let it be one they can live with - literally.

Honestly if you stop talking to a family member or close friend because of who they voted for you’re an absolute foo a dumbass realy

So you don’t think it’s reasonable for someone who’s Mexican or of Mexican heritage to stop talking to their in-laws who voted for the one guy out of 20 running that called Mexicans rapists and criminals?

[Polk377]

You forgot the part out how right I was that he declared himself as the president of the red states only, but yeah you go girl

Show me a video or audio of that coming out of his mouth.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/02/trump-states-rights-education-sanctuary-drilling-492784

I normally do not take orders from MAGA demanding links since that is the game you love to play so much, but here's one. Don't ask for more. I'll just ignore it

soooo not only does that not have an actual quote from him saying anything of the sort about only being President of the Red States, you actually provided proof to my point that Trump is all about state rights and not about being a Dictator or Supreme Authoritarian? The spin you guys put on things that are clear as day is extraordinary.

[Clyde_Style]

Show me a video or audio of that coming out of his mouth.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/02/trump-states-rights-education-sanctuary-drilling-492784

I normally do not take orders from MAGA demanding links since that is the game you love to play so much, but here's one. Don't ask for more. I'll just ignore it

soooo not only does that not have an actual quote from him saying anything of the sort about only being President of the Red States, you actually provided proof to my point that Trump is all about state rights and not about being a Dictator or Supreme Authoritarian? The spin you guys put on things that are clear as day is extraordinary.

You didn't even read it. We're done

[Polk377]

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/02/trump-states-rights-education-sanctuary-drilling-492784

I normally do not take orders from MAGA demanding links since that is the game you love to play so much, but here's one. Don't ask for more. I'll just ignore it

soooo not only does that not have an actual quote from him saying anything of the sort about only being President of the Red States, you actually provided proof to my point that Trump is all about state rights and not about being a Dictator or Supreme Authoritarian? The spin you guys put on things that are clear as day is extraordinary.

You didn't even read it. We're done

I asked for a direct quote and you gave me none. I could care less what the writers opinion is based off "sources" and second hand word manipulation.

[Boss_]

Your own flesh and blood? nah

Inlaws? Hell, im always looking for reasons to bail on them anyway

[Clyde_Style]

Clyde this one is for you buddy. I still think Trump wins Florida despite your best efforts but this is encouraging.

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I think the Villages turning on Trump was ominous for him. It is hard to break the spell on the over 70 crowd, but it broke hard. There are still lots of seniors voting Trump, but he couldn't afford to lose any of them. Plus, Florida has good turnout, so like other states it is getting lots of the votes of people who sat out last time thinking Hillary had it in the bag. I think it is close, so I don't think it is worth predicting here. If Trump wins, it will probably be by a tiny margin. If Biden wins, it could small or it could be 3-5%. No way of knowing yet. Biden does not have to win FL, but Trump clearly does. We'll probably know the outcome of FL tomorrow night.