NBA Trade Thread #2

[sco]

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2020/10/30/this-bulls-grizzlies-trade-pairs-up-zach-lavine-ja-morant/4/

This is a potential trade scenario involves trading Zach Lavine to Memphis Grizzlies for Jaren Jackson Jr and Dillon Brooks.

Generally I was against trading Zach, but I like this trade a lot. What are your thoughts on this trade?

I'd only do it if somehow we landed Edwards. I think Zach is a better player right now than JJJ, but JJJ has more upside. We'd probably need to also move one whichever one of Lauri/WCJ (probably to move up for Edwards).

Generally, I see this as a lateral move with a timeline step back that only makes sense if AKME don't see Zach as a core piece.

I have always been under the impression that having a dominant 2 way big man makes building around him easier. I'm not certain that we need to trade either Lauri or Wendell. Having 4 big men on rosters around the league have multiple big guys.

But, if you want to trade up with Golden State using only Wendell and a 2 future 2nd round picks. With the number 2 draft Dani. The Bulls then could turn around and it trade the 4th pick to Boston for their 3 1st round picks.

Other teams will offer a lot more. Maybe Lauri and WCJ get you in the running for #2. Maybe WCJ and Otto get you there if you take back Wiggins' toxic deal, but I doubt it.

[dpucane]

I'd only do it if somehow we landed Edwards. I think Zach is a better player right now than JJJ, but JJJ has more upside. We'd probably need to also move one whichever one of Lauri/WCJ (probably to move up for Edwards).

Generally, I see this as a lateral move with a timeline step back that only makes sense if AKME don't see Zach as a core piece.

I have always been under the impression that having a dominant 2 way big man makes building around him easier. I'm not certain that we need to trade either Lauri or Wendell. Having 4 big men on rosters around the league have multiple big guys.

But, if you want to trade up with Golden State using only Wendell and a 2 future 2nd round picks. With the number 2 draft Dani. The Bulls then could turn around and it trade the 4th pick to Boston for their 3 1st round picks.

Other teams will offer a lot more. Maybe Lauri and WCJ get you in the running for #2. Maybe WCJ and Otto get you there if you take back Wiggins' toxic deal, but I doubt it.

JJJ is a better asset than anyone you take at 2. Special 3 & D big.

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[Chi town]

Anyone willing to trade #4 for...

Fox
RJ Barrett
SGA
MPJ

[Dez]

Anyone willing to trade #4 for...

Fox
RJ Barrett
SGA
MPJ

Fox - Absolutely but not even the Kings are that dumb.
Barrett - No.
SGA - Absolutely but why in the hell would the Thunder do that?
MPJ - No, still don't trust his back.

[Southpaw]

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2020/10/30/this-bulls-grizzlies-trade-pairs-up-zach-lavine-ja-morant/4/

This is a potential trade scenario involves trading Zach Lavine to Memphis Grizzlies for Jaren Jackson Jr and Dillon Brooks.

Generally I was against trading Zach, but I like this trade a lot. What are your thoughts on this trade?

I'm with you, I like this trade a lot. JJJ has higher upside than our current bigs and I think Brooks is a starter level player. Only problem is our glut of bigs and teams will probably lowball us into trading one of Lauri or Wendell.

But a core of:

PG: White
SG: Brooks
SF:
PF: JJJ/Lauri
C: Carter/JJJ

Together with our 4th pick is a better core but we still lack a playmaker.

[ZOMG]

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2020/10/30/this-bulls-grizzlies-trade-pairs-up-zach-lavine-ja-morant/4/

This is a potential trade scenario involves trading Zach Lavine to Memphis Grizzlies for Jaren Jackson Jr and Dillon Brooks.

Generally I was against trading Zach, but I like this trade a lot. What are your thoughts on this trade?

I'm with you, I like this trade a lot. JJJ has higher upside than our current bigs and I think Brooks is a starter level player. Only problem is our glut of bigs and teams will probably lowball us into trading one of Lauri or Wendell.

But a core of:

PG: White
SG: Brooks
SF:
PF: JJJ/Lauri
C: Carter/JJJ

Together with our 4th pick is a better core but we still lack a playmaker.

The overrating of JJJ here continues to boggle the mind. This is a super long 7 footer with a 4.6 career rebounding average. (Not that I think defensive rebounding is as important as it used to be, but that's still awful). He also doesn't get to the line at all and averages more turnovers than assists.

JJJ's projection for the rest of his career is strictly a floor spacer and shot blocker. That's fine, but please - let's not make him into some super prospect.

[PhilLeotardo]

I dunno what’s more hilarious, the idea that DAaron Fox is some sort of otherworldly prospect that cant be had for a high lotto pick, or that RJ Barrett isn’t & is that much worse

Anyways, yeah, uh, of course you trade the 4th pick for RJ Barrett lmao. He’s a way more competent Edwards-esque player who would be going #1 overall in this sad draft, without question. The Knicks would be dumber than a bag of bird sh*t to do that deal, and Thibs would never ever allow it to go down

You can tell lots of folks here don’t watch other teams play. Triple J isn’t what people here are making him out to be, and he hasn’t shown anything that would indicate that he’ll become that. Not even close, actually

Also, Fox regressed last year, and no one knows what the new Kangz brass thinks about him. So Perhaps he could be had, who knows; he certainly hasn’t shown anything that would deem him untouchable lol

[sco]

I'm still thinking our best chance to add a meaningfully better player to the roster is get Collins from ATL, who isn't happy about paying him a max deal.

Lauri, Sato + #4 would work for me.

[gobullschi]

I'm still thinking our best chance to add a meaningfully better player to the roster is get Collins from ATL, who isn't happy about paying him a max deal.

Lauri, Sato + #4 would work for me.

Like the Bulls, ATL has a bunch of young talent and wants to make the playoffs. If they don’t want to pay Collins, why should the Bulls want him?

[weneeda2guard]

Anyone willing to trade #4 for...

Fox
RJ Barrett
SGA
MPJ

I'd trade it for everyone on the list except barrett. Proven commodities are always more reliable than potential in the draft unless the guy coming in the draft is a generational talent which that doesn't appear to be the case in this draft.

I dont trust mpj back but if it does happen to hold up your looking at a potential superstar with a ceiling no one in this draft appears to have.

[TheSuzerain]

You don't trade #4 for anyone on that list except maybe Fox.

[leo921]

Im really liking the Fox deal, think something like Fox/12th pick/Parker(filler) and another small filler
for
Lavine/4th pick

Can see the Kings going for that as they have a new GM and are looking to shake up the roster

Think this could be a good deal for us, we would have the fastest backcourt in Fox and White, love to see how the coaches use our spacing, shooting and passing with Fox/White/Otto/Lauri/Carter. With the 12th pick depending on who is available I like Kira Lewis, Saddiq Bey, Aaron Nesmith would be great options to pick up and build good young depth.

[Grodoboldo]

I just don't understand why on earth would Sacramento give Fox up? By all accounts they view him as a franchise player, he's well liked by their FO and coaching staff and hasn't ever complained about anything publicly. They have trouble attracting top tier talent, why would they give that up?
If they really like Lavine that much I could see them offering Hield+12th for him (which I wouldn't accept), but not more than that. I would prefer trying to swap Markannen for the 12th pick, but I honestly have a hard time seeing them accepting it.

[Andi Obst]

I just don't understand why on earth would Sacramento give Fox up? By all accounts they view him as a franchise player, he's well liked by their FO and coaching staff and hasn't ever complained about anything publicly. They have trouble attracting top tier talent, why would they give that up?

I think the Fox thing is just based on him selling his house, which almost certainly means absolutely nothing.

[Grodoboldo]

I just don't understand why on earth would Sacramento give Fox up? By all accounts they view him as a franchise player, he's well liked by their FO and coaching staff and hasn't ever complained about anything publicly. They have trouble attracting top tier talent, why would they give that up?

I think the Fox thing is just based on him selling his house, which almost certainly means absolutely nothing.

That and those articles by the media with "30 trades that could happen", which are always writers throwing **** to the wall to see what sticks.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Chicago trades: 4 pick, Satoransky, 44 pick
Chicago receives: 10 pick, 17 pick, 33 pick, Johnson

Why for Chicago: Chicago moves back in the draft to get 2 shots at good players that AK wants. With a glut of point guards, Chicago ships Sato off to make room for White to start. Johnson is salary filler, and the Bulls move up in the 2nd round as well.

Phoenix trades: 10, Oubre
Phoenix receives: 4 pick, 44 pick

Phoenix moves up in the draft to get one last shot at a top tier player because their playoff push begins. Unlikely to resign Oubre, the Suns have good wing players that will absorb his playing time in Bridges and Johnson.

Minnesota trades: 17 pick, 33 pick, Johnson
Minnesota receives: Oubre, Satoransky

Minnesota has to look to push for the playoffs with their 2021 pick out. With the bad news around Beasley, getting Oubre can help fill his potential opening and provide another playmaker for this team. Bringing in 3 rookies this year isn't feasible given their goals, so they flip the two less desirable picks for win now talent.


I like this deal a lot for all teams. For the Bulls, with 10 they take Vassell at 10, Terry at 17, and Paul Reed at 33.

White, Terry, Arcidiacono
Lavine, Terry
OPJ, Vassell
Lauri, Young, Reed
WCJ, Gafford

[MrFortune3]

Chicago trades: 4 pick, Satoransky, 44 pick
Chicago receives: 10 pick, 17 pick, 33 pick, Johnson

Why for Chicago: Chicago moves back in the draft to get 2 shots at good players that AK wants. With a glut of point guards, Chicago ships Sato off to make room for White to start. Johnson is salary filler, and the Bulls move up in the 2nd round as well.

Phoenix trades: 10, Oubre
Phoenix receives: 4 pick, 44 pick

Phoenix moves up in the draft to get one last shot at a top tier player because their playoff push begins. Unlikely to resign Oubre, the Suns have good wing players that will absorb his playing time in Bridges and Johnson.

Minnesota trades: 17 pick, 33 pick, Johnson
Minnesota receives: Oubre, Satoransky

Minnesota has to look to push for the playoffs with their 2021 pick out. With the bad news around Beasley, getting Oubre can help fill his potential opening and provide another playmaker for this team. Bringing in 3 rookies this year isn't feasible given their goals, so they flip the two less desirable picks for win now talent.


I like this deal a lot for all teams. For the Bulls, with 10 they take Vassell at 10, Terry at 17, and Paul Reed at 33.

White, Terry, Arcidiacono
Lavine, Terry
OPJ, Vassell
Lauri, Young, Reed
WCJ, Gafford

That is terrible value for #4 and there is zero point in trading down. You can likely grab a 15-20's pick by buying it or trading something for it at low cost.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Chicago trades: 4 pick, Satoransky, 44 pick
Chicago receives: 10 pick, 17 pick, 33 pick, Johnson

Why for Chicago: Chicago moves back in the draft to get 2 shots at good players that AK wants. With a glut of point guards, Chicago ships Sato off to make room for White to start. Johnson is salary filler, and the Bulls move up in the 2nd round as well.

Phoenix trades: 10, Oubre
Phoenix receives: 4 pick, 44 pick

Phoenix moves up in the draft to get one last shot at a top tier player because their playoff push begins. Unlikely to resign Oubre, the Suns have good wing players that will absorb his playing time in Bridges and Johnson.

Minnesota trades: 17 pick, 33 pick, Johnson
Minnesota receives: Oubre, Satoransky

Minnesota has to look to push for the playoffs with their 2021 pick out. With the bad news around Beasley, getting Oubre can help fill his potential opening and provide another playmaker for this team. Bringing in 3 rookies this year isn't feasible given their goals, so they flip the two less desirable picks for win now talent.


I like this deal a lot for all teams. For the Bulls, with 10 they take Vassell at 10, Terry at 17, and Paul Reed at 33.

White, Terry, Arcidiacono
Lavine, Terry
OPJ, Vassell
Lauri, Young, Reed
WCJ, Gafford

That is terrible value for #4 and there is zero point in trading down. You can likely grab a 15-20's pick by buying it or trading something for it at low cost.

When is the last time a 15 pick was bought? Doesn't happen often, the last time I can remember was the Bulls buying 9 almost 2 decades ago. And JR buying in these financial times? Idk man, that's some wishful thinking.

[MrFortune3]

Chicago trades: 4 pick, Satoransky, 44 pick
Chicago receives: 10 pick, 17 pick, 33 pick, Johnson

Why for Chicago: Chicago moves back in the draft to get 2 shots at good players that AK wants. With a glut of point guards, Chicago ships Sato off to make room for White to start. Johnson is salary filler, and the Bulls move up in the 2nd round as well.

Phoenix trades: 10, Oubre
Phoenix receives: 4 pick, 44 pick

Phoenix moves up in the draft to get one last shot at a top tier player because their playoff push begins. Unlikely to resign Oubre, the Suns have good wing players that will absorb his playing time in Bridges and Johnson.

Minnesota trades: 17 pick, 33 pick, Johnson
Minnesota receives: Oubre, Satoransky

Minnesota has to look to push for the playoffs with their 2021 pick out. With the bad news around Beasley, getting Oubre can help fill his potential opening and provide another playmaker for this team. Bringing in 3 rookies this year isn't feasible given their goals, so they flip the two less desirable picks for win now talent.


I like this deal a lot for all teams. For the Bulls, with 10 they take Vassell at 10, Terry at 17, and Paul Reed at 33.

White, Terry, Arcidiacono
Lavine, Terry
OPJ, Vassell
Lauri, Young, Reed
WCJ, Gafford

That is terrible value for #4 and there is zero point in trading down. You can likely grab a 15-20's pick by buying it or trading something for it at low cost.

When is the last time a 15 pick was bought? Doesn't happen often, the last time I can remember was the Bulls buying 9 almost 2 decades ago. And JR buying in these financial times? Idk man, that's some wishful thinking.

A lot of teams are looking to cut costs due to the revenue losses. The NBA does not want teams selling picks in the first round but I doubt they would say anything about cost cutting measures in this pandemic era.

[Nate3carp]

Chicago trades: 4 pick, Satoransky, 44 pick
Chicago receives: 10 pick, 17 pick, 33 pick, Johnson

Why for Chicago: Chicago moves back in the draft to get 2 shots at good players that AK wants. With a glut of point guards, Chicago ships Sato off to make room for White to start. Johnson is salary filler, and the Bulls move up in the 2nd round as well.

Phoenix trades: 10, Oubre
Phoenix receives: 4 pick, 44 pick

Phoenix moves up in the draft to get one last shot at a top tier player because their playoff push begins. Unlikely to resign Oubre, the Suns have good wing players that will absorb his playing time in Bridges and Johnson.

Minnesota trades: 17 pick, 33 pick, Johnson
Minnesota receives: Oubre, Satoransky

Minnesota has to look to push for the playoffs with their 2021 pick out. With the bad news around Beasley, getting Oubre can help fill his potential opening and provide another playmaker for this team. Bringing in 3 rookies this year isn't feasible given their goals, so they flip the two less desirable picks for win now talent.


I like this deal a lot for all teams. For the Bulls, with 10 they take Vassell at 10, Terry at 17, and Paul Reed at 33.

White, Terry, Arcidiacono
Lavine, Terry
OPJ, Vassell
Lauri, Young, Reed
WCJ, Gafford

That is terrible value for #4 and there is zero point in trading down. You can likely grab a 15-20's pick by buying it or trading something for it at low cost.

I disagree that 4 for 10+17+ moving up 11 spots to the valuable part of the 2nd round + freeing up 2021 salary is a bad deal. I think it’s a pretty good deal. You can think the Bulls shouldn’t do it, but I think it’s objectively a fair deal.