OT Election Thread

[MrFortune3]

I think that it's important to vote as it will help shape not only your local but your federal government and that will always affect you.

Even if it's just for your local government, still got out and cast your vote. If for no other reason than your own self interests.

I live in Alabama, Trump is going to win the state in a landslide. I will still cast my vote for the presidential election and to help shape the local government and state senate.

Quite frankly, I think it should be mandatory, but that's just my opinion.

I understand people not taking an interest in politics due to the nature of things. But if you truly want to be heard, all it takes is a vote. 1 person casts a vote, if 1 million people feel the same way that's one hell of a way to be heard.

[Dresden]

I'm voting for Biden. I really think another 4 years of Trump would be just horrific for this country. Already, perhaps 100K people have died needlessly due to his ignorant handling of the pandemic response. That alone would be enough reason to vote for Biden. But then there is also the constant lying he does- how can we have a president who just makes things up constantly, and seemingly is never held accountable for that? In addition, in 4 years he has not come up with any major achievements- no infrastructure bill, no new health plan, no immigration reform.

He has also caused untold damage to our democratic institutions. He has lead people to believe that the election will be marred by fraud, when there is not one shred of evidence to support that. He has openly talked about getting a third term. He has tried to use the Justice dept. as a branch of his political campaign, to investigate his enemies. He has destroyed faith in our intelligence services. Several letters have been written against him and signed by a long list of former state dept., and national security and intelligence agency officials.

He has reduced our standing in the world. He is mocked by other foreign leaders, including our allies. He has moved us backwards in terms of combating climate change. He has done nothing to reduce income inequality.

I think all signs point to a Biden landslide. People are fed up with Trump and his act.

[mtron32]

trump needs to go, he's much too comfortable wielding all the power that the exec branch has gobbled up after all these years and the Republican party isn't shy about using it's power. I wasn't surprised he won in 16 and probably wouldn't have cared much if they had not also gained the Senate and House, Trump with unfettered power isn't good for anyone. He's definitely put on display how fragile the system actually is, hoping for a clean sweep so those courts can get balanced out.

[johnnyvann840]

What's scary is that the only polls that got 2016 right and also nailed the 2018 election almost perfectly, Trafalgar and Rasmussen have Trump either winning, Trafalgar, or have it a dead heat, Rasmussen has Biden squeaking it out barely but is within the margin of error (they have Biden by less than a percentage point). So, nothing will surprise me.

I saw Nate Silver making fun of the Trafalgar Poll but you can't deny their success in the last few elections they've called. They also got the Florida gubernatorial race right when most other polls had it not even close the wrong way. Same with the senate race there.

[johnnyvann840]

https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2020/10/31/the-outlier-pollster-who-called-2016-for-trump-says-hell-win-again.cnn

[PlayerUp]

This election is by far the most unpredictable election of all time due to all the x factors. I'm not going to predict who wins and who doesn't as both parties seem confident they'll win. Anyone who claims they know will more likely than not be dead wrong.

I don't support either party. I dislike both candidates for different reasons. I voted libertian in 2016 but I have decided to branch away from wasting my vote and I voted for one of the candidates in one of the largest swing states. I consulted with many of those and I believe as a collective group we all went this route voting for this person.

The only way American will pull itself back together and move forward is if we can meet in the middle. American once had that 20+ years ago and we were prospering. Now it's become a power grab and control for both parties. If this does not change, we're in for some dark days ahead. People don't necessarily see the longterm outlook this election brings but America is very vulnerable right now and if we don't get ourselves back in the right direction, America as we once knew it will be a shell of its former self.

As someone who isn't a supporter of either party and dislikes both candidates with a passion, it ultimately came down to policies for me. Both sides have pros and cons. Both sides are fear mongering. Both parties are corrupt. Both parties are manipulating their voters. Ultimately in the end I advise people to do your research, look at their policies, think longterm not just shortterm and make a decision once you're confident that candidate can better your life.

[johnnyvann840]

This election is by far the most unpredictable election of all time due to all the x factors. I'm not going to predict who wins and who doesn't as both parties seem confident they'll win.

I don't support either party. I dislike both candidates for different reasons. I voted libertian in 2016 but I have decided to branch away from wasting my vote and I voted for one of the candidates in one of the largest swing states. I consulted with many of those and I believe as a collective group we all went this route voting for this person.

As someone who isn't a supporter of either party and dislikes both candidates with a passion, it ultimately came down to policies for me. Both sides have pros and cons. Both sides are fear mongering. Both parties are corrupt. Both parties are manipulating their voters. Ultimately in the end I advise people to do your research, look at their policies, think longterm not just shortterm and make a decision once you're confident that candidate can better your life.

I'm with you on hating both candidates and both parties with a passion. I feel the same way. They are all corrupt, manipulative pond scum.

[Jeffster81]

I cannot in good conscious vote for either guy, thus I am not voting. Save the rhetoric about "every vote counts", or "it is my right, or duty to vote," just know I am not voting and simply move on.

What about option C - there are still other things on the ballot. Vote for on those.

I am doing that, I am simply not voting on the presidency.

[Jeffster81]

I think that it's important to vote as it will help shape not only your local but your federal government and that will always affect you.

Even if it's just for your local government, still got out and cast your vote. If for no other reason than your own self interests.

I live in Alabama, Trump is going to win the state in a landslide. I will still cast my vote for the presidential election and to help shape the local government and state senate.

Trump's taking the south, not just Alabama. I am voting locally, I am not voting for the president. I may be anti-trump that does not mean I have to vote for Biden.

[PlayerUp]

I'm with you on hating both candidates and both parties with a passion. I feel the same way. They are all corrupt, manipulating pond scum.

Part of the issue is America has become so diverse and so many people want different things that both parties are outright deceiving people making them believe they'll support them to gain their vote when they know that isn't the case.

Lets take for example Kamela Harris who has notoriously said she is not a socialist. She then posts this:

Read on Twitter

Between Pence, Biden, Trump and Harris she is the absolute worst.

[Dresden]

I think that it's important to vote as it will help shape not only your local but your federal government and that will always affect you.

Even if it's just for your local government, still got out and cast your vote. If for no other reason than your own self interests.

I live in Alabama, Trump is going to win the state in a landslide. I will still cast my vote for the presidential election and to help shape the local government and state senate.

Trump's taking the south, not just Alabama. I am voting locally, I am not voting for the president. I may be anti-trump that does not mean I have to vote for Biden.

I'm not so sure Trump will take "the South". FLA is a toss up, leaning blue. GA could well go blue. NC is a toss up. Even Texas may be in play for Biden.

The only southern states firmly red are AL, MS, SC, TN, KY, ARK.

[PlayerUp]

I cannot in good conscious vote for either guy, thus I am not voting. Save the rhetoric about "every vote counts", or "it is my right, or duty to vote," just know I am not voting and simply move on.

What about option C - there are still other things on the ballot. Vote for on those.

I am doing that, I am simply not voting on the presidency.

Don't let people express hate at you for your decision. You need to make a decision that is best for you. The internet and media is polarizing peoples political views.

[PlayerUp]

I'm not so sure Trump will take "the South". FLA is a toss up, leaning blue. GA could well go blue. NC is a toss up. Even Texas may be in play for Biden.

The only southern states firmly red are AL, MS, SC, TN, KY, ARK.

Keyword "could" but unlikely. Those states above I expect to go red. Ignore the polls which have historically been wrong and in this election make it even more likely they're wrong.

This election will come down to the rust belt.

[nomorezorro]

Lets take for example Kamela Harris who has notoriously said she is not a socialist. She then posts this:

Read on Twitter

Between Pence, Biden, Trump and Harris she is the absolute worst.

you think "some people have worse situations in life and it would be good to help them" is socialism and the absolute worst sentiment communicated in the 2020 presidential race?

[dice]

I will also say that this election is the most depressing one of my life. There was more talk over who is a crook, theif and liar than actually substantive policy debate. As fat as I can tell, the only real thing they separate on outside of identity politics is taxes. No one has a real economic, recovery or health care plan.

a public option added to obamacare (which is what biden is proposing) is about as real a health care proposal as you're gonna get. medicare for all who want it. would rapidly shrink the private insurance market. a true game changer. it amazes me that the starry eyed far left can't understand that

[nomorezorro]

it's really funny when people accuse politicians of being socialists when actual socialists are like "that person suuuucks." kamala is just a (relatively) harmless weirdo with no political instincts

[Just_Bullz]

Many times in life, it's not possible to get the ideal situation or outcome, hence it often boils down choosing the lesser of the 2 evils or good in this context.

[waffle]

without all the BIZARRE details about how we hold elections biden would win pretty handily. Never mind that Trump has been undermining almost everything we consider Democratic (big D) for 4 years. And you know he is going to try some weird shait tomorrow as well. Florida was a FIASCO this could be worse

[Dresden]

I'm with you on hating both candidates and both parties with a passion. I feel the same way. They are all corrupt, manipulating pond scum.

Part of the issue is America has become so diverse and so many people want different things that both parties are outright deceiving people making them believe they'll support them to gain their vote when they know that isn't the case.

Lets take for example Kamela Harris who has notoriously said she is not a socialist. She then posts this:

Read on Twitter

Between Pence, Biden, Trump and Harris she is the absolute worst.

Unless you believe in helping those who are worse off.

[PlayerUp]

it's really funny when people accuse politicians of being socialists when actual socialists are like "that person suuuucks." kamala is just a (relatively) harmless weirdo with no political instincts

Right. She's clueless. She will try to appease to everyone. I personally think she is the most deceptive politician I have ever seen in the VP spot. It's funny as much as I dislike Biden/Trump, wow they're so much better than Harris. At least they believe what they're saying to some degree. Harris just says whatever will appeal to whomever she is speaking to at that given moment. Terrible VP pick.