Indiana Pacers Draft Pick Watch Thread

[Ruzious]

I feel like Billy Beane in the scene in Money Ball where the scouts keep bringing up all of the shortcomings of the players he brings in and he just responds “But he gets on base” over and over again.

He shot 42% on high volume (8 attempts a game) and he has no trouble making these shot while contested on a pull-up, or coming off of a screen. He also shot over 8 free throws a game too at an 85% clip. I’m not asking him to be the starting PG, I’m just asking him to be a walking bucket for 15-17 mins a game off the bench. People spend so much time arguing about what he can’t do, but what he can do is the most valuable thing we absolutely need. Microwave scoring and the ability to create his own shots from all three levels (but especially from 3).

Did Billy Beane explain that 5'11 1 trick pony PG's face better defenders in the NBA who will likely shut him down?

I'd take a one trick pony if his one trick is **** gold.

See Steve Novak.

[RiotPunch]

Stewart is a great kid and hard worker by all accounts, but he's pretty bad. I personally would not draft him.

He's actually a very solid player at both ends and has the makings of a good jump shot. He's just not flashy at all. A slightly poor man's Favors that might eventually develop a 3 point shot.

I think he's more Enes Kanter than Derrick Favors, but can see some similarities. He can only defend in the paint, terrible lateral mover, I think he will get wrecked moving in space. Poor passer, poor shot selection, poor discipline biting on fakes. He just isn't fundamentally sound, tons of turnovers because of bad footwork-- I've never seen a draft prospect switch pivot feet as often as him, which signals to me that he is way behind in thinking the game. He's really strong, can rebound, uses his length to disrupt shots, and he tries hard, but I'm not spending draft capital on that archetype. You can find backup centers with his skill-set for the vet minimum, IMO. I dislike Oturu for similar reasons, and I admittedly don't really buy the shot for either guy.

Spinella's improvement areas vid for him has some examples that echo some of my sentiments.

Spoiler:

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[Chuck Diesel]

Lot to like about Bolmaro but I’m not sure how much he’d be able to play with Giannis for the next couple years. Would be awesome alongside Brook tomorrow though.

[Ruzious]

Stewart is a great kid and hard worker by all accounts, but he's pretty bad. I personally would not draft him.

He's actually a very solid player at both ends and has the makings of a good jump shot. He's just not flashy at all. A slightly poor man's Favors that might eventually develop a 3 point shot.

I think he's more Enes Kanter than Derrick Favors, but can see some similarities. He can only defend in the paint, terrible lateral mover, I think he will get wrecked moving in space. Poor passer, poor shot selection, poor discipline biting on fakes. He just isn't fundamentally sound, tons of turnovers because of bad footwork-- I've never seen a draft prospect switch pivot feet as often as him, which signals to me that he is way behind in thinking the game. He's really strong, can rebound, uses his length to disrupt shots, and he tries hard, but I'm not spending draft capital on that archetype. You can find backup centers with his skill-set for the vet minimum, IMO. I dislike Oturu for similar reasons, and I admittedly don't really buy the shot for either guy.

Spinella's improvement areas vid for him has some examples that echo some of my sentiments.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

I'm definitely not suggesting the Bucks pick him, but I think he's the definition of a solid player.

[Badgerlander]

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[Chuck Diesel]

He's actually a very solid player at both ends and has the makings of a good jump shot. He's just not flashy at all. A slightly poor man's Favors that might eventually develop a 3 point shot.

I think he's more Enes Kanter than Derrick Favors, but can see some similarities. He can only defend in the paint, terrible lateral mover, I think he will get wrecked moving in space. Poor passer, poor shot selection, poor discipline biting on fakes. He just isn't fundamentally sound, tons of turnovers because of bad footwork-- I've never seen a draft prospect switch pivot feet as often as him, which signals to me that he is way behind in thinking the game. He's really strong, can rebound, uses his length to disrupt shots, and he tries hard, but I'm not spending draft capital on that archetype. You can find backup centers with his skill-set for the vet minimum, IMO. I dislike Oturu for similar reasons, and I admittedly don't really buy the shot for either guy.

Spinella's improvement areas vid for him has some examples that echo some of my sentiments.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

I'm definitely not suggesting the Bucks pick him, but I think he's the definition of a solid player.

Yea thing with Stewart is if he’s there at #24, for my money he stands the best chance of anyone in that range to have a 10 year career. Body, motor, age and character all jump out to me. Understand and appreciate the criticisms though, most of you have seen way more of these guys than I have. Just don’t think it’s the worst thing to draft your long term backup center at #24.

[VooDoo7]

Not a Riller fan, only for the fact that he's gonna be 24 already in a few months.

[ShootingtheJ]

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Not a Riller fan, only for the fact that he's gonna be 24 already in a few months.

Brogdan was just as old when we drafted him, and that was a terrific pick that gave us cheap, early production and then netted 3 picks.

A better reason to dislike Riller is his lack of court vision.

[VooDoo7]

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Not a Riller fan, only for the fact that he's gonna be 24 already in a few months.

Brogdan was just as old when we drafted him, and that was a terrific pick that gave us cheap, early production and then netted 3 picks.

Yeah I know, just a weird quirk I have with draftees.

[SupremeHustle]

I think I'm changing my mind on Anthony Edwards. The more I look, the more it seems that no one seems to be clearly better than him and his size is pretty impressive.

Wiseman on the other hand is trending down for me.

Killian Hayes might end up okay, but right now I just see a hybrid of MCW, Dante Exum and Kyle Anderson.

[randy84]

What's the thought on Cassius Stanley? Seems uber-athletic. Gerald Green type?

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[BroncoBuck]

I think I'm changing my mind on Anthony Edwards. The more I look, the more it seems that no one seems to be clearly better than him and his size is pretty impressive.

Wiseman on the other hand is trending down for me.

Killian Hayes might end up okay, but right now I just see a hybrid of MCW, Dante Exum and Kyle Anderson.

Don’t forget Jennings’ unwillingness to use his off hand.

[emunney]

I think he's more Enes Kanter than Derrick Favors, but can see some similarities. He can only defend in the paint, terrible lateral mover, I think he will get wrecked moving in space. Poor passer, poor shot selection, poor discipline biting on fakes. He just isn't fundamentally sound, tons of turnovers because of bad footwork-- I've never seen a draft prospect switch pivot feet as often as him, which signals to me that he is way behind in thinking the game. He's really strong, can rebound, uses his length to disrupt shots, and he tries hard, but I'm not spending draft capital on that archetype. You can find backup centers with his skill-set for the vet minimum, IMO. I dislike Oturu for similar reasons, and I admittedly don't really buy the shot for either guy.

Spinella's improvement areas vid for him has some examples that echo some of my sentiments.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

I'm definitely not suggesting the Bucks pick him, but I think he's the definition of a solid player.

Yea thing with Stewart is if he’s there at #24, for my money he stands the best chance of anyone in that range to have a 10 year career. Body, motor, age and character all jump out to me. Understand and appreciate the criticisms though, most of you have seen way more of these guys than I have. Just don’t think it’s the worst thing to draft your long term backup center at #24.

If that's what we want, probably taking Dok, jumpshot be damned.

[Ill-yasova]

Did Billy Beane explain that 5'11 1 trick pony PG's face better defenders in the NBA who will likely shut him down?

I'd take a one trick pony if his one trick is **** gold.

See Steve Novak.

Novak was a stationary catch and shoot player who never averaged more than 2.7 free throws per game in a season. Howard hits a ridiculous percentage of contested 3’s on unassisted pull-ups and running around screens while shooting 8.6 FTA per game. Novak never averaged more than 3.4 2pt attempts per game in college, Howard scored regularly from all three levels. Howard is the 21st highest scoring player in the history of D1 college basketball (2761 points) on a career 21.6 PPG. Novak scored 1567 on a career 12.4 PPG.

These things are not the same.

[jakecronus8]

What's the thought on Cassius Stanley? Seems uber-athletic. Gerald Green type?

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Maybe I really am just that out of the loop but my jaw still drops when I see mocks with him in the second round. Always stood out when I watched him live and I’d have thought he’d be a mid to late lotto guy.

[randy84]

What's the thought on Cassius Stanley? Seems uber-athletic. Gerald Green type?

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Maybe I really am just that out of the loop but my jaw still drops when I see mocks with him in the second round. Always stood out when I watched him live and I’d have thought he’d be a mid to late lotto guy.

I think I would take a flyer just based on the athleticism alone.

[BucksFanSD]

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It appears four players broke the shuttle record this year. Dotson at 2.22 seconds. I think they may have measured differently this year.

[LuessiT]

I think I'm changing my mind on Anthony Edwards. The more I look, the more it seems that no one seems to be clearly better than him and his size is pretty impressive.

Wiseman on the other hand is trending down for me.

Killian Hayes might end up okay, but right now I just see a hybrid of MCW, Dante Exum and Kyle Anderson.

Agree on Edwards but I really don't get this. Hayes is shooting 90% from the line and has one of the best off the bounce games in the class and you compare him to non shooters.
I get being down on Hayes but please for the right reasons.

[Ruzious]

I'd take a one trick pony if his one trick is **** gold.

See Steve Novak.

Novak was a stationary catch and shoot player who never averaged more than 2.7 free throws per game in a season. Howard hits a ridiculous percentage of contested 3’s on unassisted pull-ups and running around screens while shooting 8.6 FTA per game. Novak never averaged more than 3.4 2pt attempts per game in college, Howard scored regularly from all three levels. Howard is the 21st highest scoring player in the history of D1 college basketball (2761 points) on a career 21.6 PPG. Novak scored 1567 on a career 12.4 PPG.

These things are not the same.

My fault for getting into a ridiculous discussion.

[Ill-yasova]

See Steve Novak.

Novak was a stationary catch and shoot player who never averaged more than 2.7 free throws per game in a season. Howard hits a ridiculous percentage of contested 3’s on unassisted pull-ups and running around screens while shooting 8.6 FTA per game. Novak never averaged more than 3.4 2pt attempts per game in college, Howard scored regularly from all three levels. Howard is the 21st highest scoring player in the history of D1 college basketball (2761 points) on a career 21.6 PPG. Novak scored 1567 on a career 12.4 PPG.

These things are not the same.

My fault for getting into a ridiculous discussion.

I know, that’s where I’m at too now. Cheers anyways, have a good day.