OT Election Thread

[Betta Bulleavit]

Slightly overblown yes but this isn't up for debate with Bernie or Bloomberg for a reason. Both are older than Biden.

This isn’t up for debate with the two of them because they aren’t the democratic nominees. And in Bloomberg’s case, he was never particularly close. Had either of them win the nomination, age would have become a much bigger factor. Especially in the case of Sanders and the heart thing.

He ran too late. That was Bloombergs problem.

Could have been. I thought he did well to garner the delegates that he did given when he entered the race.

[musiqsoulchild]

Biden is going to win in a landslide.There is one reason for this - His likeability when compared to Hillary Clinton.

Let me explain please.

In Wisconisin, Pennsylvania and Michigan:
3rd party voting was up 400 -500% from 2012 to 2016.

Gary Johnson for example racked up so many "FU Trump, FU Hillary votes" in 2016.

If you return back those 3rd party votes to their normative levels like a Barack -Romney 2012 level...those votes are going to break for Biden because of likeability.

Additionally, the Never Trump movement has completely metamorphosed into the Vote Biden - Country First- He's a decent man movement.

And the Bernie supporters never went to war against the DNC/Biden like they did against Hillary/DNC.

Those 2 human factors translate to Biden winning by razor thin margins in several states, and thus squeak out a 315+ electoral landslide.

People are also sleeping on the ground realities of:

Arizona
Georgia
Texas
North Carolina

And the Senate is going Democratic, no matter what.

A net gain of 4 is all that's needed.

[Dresden]

Right. She's clueless. She will try to appease to everyone. I personally think she is the most deceptive politician I have ever seen in the VP spot. It's funny as much as I dislike Biden/Trump, wow they're so much better than Harris. At least they believe what they're saying to some degree. Harris just says whatever will appeal to whomever she is speaking to at that given moment. Terrible VP pick.

It would take some doing to be more deceptive than Dick Cheney, who convinced the whole nation we should invade Iraq over a bogus claim that they had WMD. Only cost 3,000 Americans their lives, countless others who will be on disability the rest of their lives, and close to a trillion dollars of taxpayers money.

I mean Cheney didn’t even have a pulse or a heart. Now that’s inhuman. Harris is scary to me in a lot of ways, she does seem like someone who would kill a family member to get ahead, yet she is not as scary as Cheney.

Why on earth would you say something that derogatory about Harris? Because she's an outspoken black woman?

[Dresden]

Trump is getting ready to challenge the PA Supreme Court ruling in the USSC. He's put out a statement that their decision is a "very dangerous one, that could incite violence in the streets". In other words, he's telling his thugs to get ready to create chaos should it look like he's losing in PA. If people can't see how dangerous it is to have someone like this in the White House, they need to read a bit more history.

[mtron32]

Part of the issue is America has become so diverse and so many people want different things that both parties are outright deceiving people making them believe they'll support them to gain their vote when they know that isn't the case.

Lets take for example Kamela Harris who has notoriously said she is not a socialist. She then posts this:

Read on Twitter

Between Pence, Biden, Trump and Harris she is the absolute worst.

Unless you believe in helping those who are worse off.

No need to make me feel like I'm the bad guy here.

1st off I'm not in position of power to do this. 2nd off, I would love for this scenario to happen but it's not realistic. Most of the mega rich will not give up their wealth. If you force them to do this, then will eventually leave and you know what happens after that.

If you want true change, it starts at the top not just who is the president but the mega wealthy. Forcing them however to change will not work. They need to be ones to change themselves.

Then it's never going to happen, as long as the one percent maintains and grows their wealth they maintain the influence over the media and our politicians; they're entrenched and have no reason to change unless being forced to. If they were okay making money off the backs of American's they can dam well pay their share, we're always bailing them out and when it comes time to do the American people a solid we get those "in these troubled times..." commercials.

[mtron32]

Biden is a solid enough candidate. He's too old. That's about the only glaring negative for the guy.

I get not being blown away by the guy, but there's no way he's a bottom tier candidate.

He is ok enough in the sense that the anti-trump sentiment can get him into office, but I disliked him as a VP choice and dislike him more as a Presidential candidate. I think over the 4 years the DNC could have done better, even though they were planning 4 years ago to be working on a re-election campaign for Hilary. They still should have had someone stronger than Biden in the wings. I get that milquetoast is a strategy against the boisterous Trump, but I do not like it. I get the are going the safest route they can and this is simply a numbers game but man oh man if I am not clicking my heels over Biden.

Are you concerned with his quality as a candidate (i.e. will he win the election?) or his ability to actually fulfill the office. Those are different things I'd say.

I have no love for Joe but I'll run his corpse across the finish line myself so that I don't have to peak at my news feed like a horror show each day. Get him in that office then fight his old azz the next four years.

[PlayerUp]

Unless you believe in helping those who are worse off.

No need to make me feel like I'm the bad guy here.

1st off I'm not in position of power to do this. 2nd off, I would love for this scenario to happen but it's not realistic. Most of the mega rich will not give up their wealth. If you force them to do this, then will eventually leave and you know what happens after that.

If you want true change, it starts at the top not just who is the president but the mega wealthy. Forcing them however to change will not work. They need to be ones to change themselves.

Then it's never going to happen, as long as the one percent maintains and grows their wealth they maintain the influence over the media and our politicians; they're entrenched and have no reason to change unless being forced to. If they were okay making money off the backs of American's they can dam well pay their share, we're always bailing them out and when it comes time to do the American people a solid we get those "in these troubled times..." commercials.

I mean to me this is one of the biggest problems with the world. The elite 0.1%. The power at the very top.

However you have to be realistic. Unless they are the ones that want to change, nothing will change. They buy our politicians, they have control over media, they own hollywood, they control silicon valley.

[Susan]

Biden is a solid enough candidate. He's too old. That's about the only glaring negative for the guy.

I get not being blown away by the guy, but there's no way he's a bottom tier candidate.

He is ok enough in the sense that the anti-trump sentiment can get him into office, but I disliked him as a VP choice and dislike him more as a Presidential candidate. I think over the 4 years the DNC could have done better, even though they were planning 4 years ago to be working on a re-election campaign for Hilary. They still should have had someone stronger than Biden in the wings. I get that milquetoast is a strategy against the boisterous Trump, but I do not like it. I get the are going the safest route they can and this is simply a numbers game but man oh man if I am not clicking my heels over Biden.

i agree with most of that, but to be clear, the DNC did not anoint biden. he was even in dire straits cash wise at times. nobody rallied around him until is became clear that the mainstream democratic voter preferred him. significantly

lol, he was dead in the water until Clyburn endorsed him. Then that gave him SC and everybody dropped out and endorsed him.

[Ben Wilson25]

Additionally, the Never Trump movement has completely metamorphosed into the Vote Biden - Country First- He's a decent man movement.

I’ve been wondering if there’s ever been an election in American history where so many members of the President’s own party have straight out endorsed the other party’s candidate, from the Lincoln Project to the 120 former GOP national security officials. Not to mention those who haven’t outright endorsed Biden but don’t support Trump’s re-election like George W Bush, Jim Mattis, John Kelly and Mitt Romney. It’s kind of amazing.

[Dresden]

No need to make me feel like I'm the bad guy here.

1st off I'm not in position of power to do this. 2nd off, I would love for this scenario to happen but it's not realistic. Most of the mega rich will not give up their wealth. If you force them to do this, then will eventually leave and you know what happens after that.

If you want true change, it starts at the top not just who is the president but the mega wealthy. Forcing them however to change will not work. They need to be ones to change themselves.

Then it's never going to happen, as long as the one percent maintains and grows their wealth they maintain the influence over the media and our politicians; they're entrenched and have no reason to change unless being forced to. If they were okay making money off the backs of American's they can dam well pay their share, we're always bailing them out and when it comes time to do the American people a solid we get those "in these troubled times..." commercials.

I mean to me this is one of the biggest problems with the world. The elite 0.1%. The power at the very top.

However you have to be realistic. Unless they are the ones that want to change, nothing will change. They buy our politicians, they have control over media, they own hollywood, they control silicon valley.

More and more of them do want to change, however. A number of billionaires have said recently that they should be taxed more.

[Dresden]

And no, you don't have to wait for them to want to change. Start by undoing the Trump and Bush era tax cuts. The more power you concede to them, the more they will take.

[johnnyvann840]

he frankly doesn't seem THAT much different than he did in his "prime" to me

He does a much better job, now, of pretending to be some kind of a warrior for racial justice, which is a joke when you look at his past. Back in his prime, he made no bones about being a bigot. I mean, my goodness, his record speaks for itself.

Not really. I don’t believe for one second they Biden is racist and to be honest.......neither is Trump.

Well, let's just say he hasn't done the African American community any favors in his half century in politics. I say he is a bigot because of some of comments about Indians, Blacks and Jews over the years. He's called Jews "shylocks", recently, said that blacks aren't diverse like the hispanic community, said you cannot go into a Dunkin Donuts or 7 Eleven "unless you have an Indian accent"..... just things like that.

This breaks down his record pretty well... from New York Mag last spring before he won the nomination

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/03/joe-biden-record-on-busing-incarceration-racial-justice-democratic-primary-2020-explained.html

I just think he's a phony. But I'm also more anti-Trump, so the lesser of two evils comes into play here. I just think it's pathetic that these have to be our choices for the highest office in the land.

[PlayerUp]

I have no love for Joe but I'll run his corpse across the finish line myself so that I don't have to peak at my news feed like a horror show each day. Get him in that office then fight his old azz the next four years.

The fact that Biden is having a hard time beating Trump now not a good sign he has any chance in 2024 especially being he'll be 82, even more worn out and if the republicans pick a good candidate, then a slim chance.

I think Biden could end up being an one term president if he runs. He'll step down.

[Michael Jackson]

It would take some doing to be more deceptive than Dick Cheney, who convinced the whole nation we should invade Iraq over a bogus claim that they had WMD. Only cost 3,000 Americans their lives, countless others who will be on disability the rest of their lives, and close to a trillion dollars of taxpayers money.

I mean Cheney didn’t even have a pulse or a heart. Now that’s inhuman. Harris is scary to me in a lot of ways, she does seem like someone who would kill a family member to get ahead, yet she is not as scary as Cheney.

Why on earth would you say something that derogatory about Harris? Because she's an outspoken black woman?

Her race and sex have nothing to do with me not trusting her. Trump race and sex have nothing to do with me not trusting him. Pence I also find just as deplorable also. I trust Joe the most of being actually genuine (granted it’s politics so that’s still a weighted scale). I voted for her because the alternative is vile, but I surely do not have the warm and fuzzies for Harris.

[dice]

he frankly doesn't seem THAT much different than he did in his "prime" to me

He does a much better job, now, of pretending to be some kind of a warrior for racial justice, which is a joke when you look at his past. Back in his prime, he made no bones about being a bigot. I mean, my goodness, his record speaks for itself.

Not really. I don’t believe for one second they Biden is racist and to be honest.......neither is Trump.

biden is clearly not racist if you know his personal past (not even considering obama choosing him as his running mate). trump clearly is

[PlayerUp]

Then it's never going to happen, as long as the one percent maintains and grows their wealth they maintain the influence over the media and our politicians; they're entrenched and have no reason to change unless being forced to. If they were okay making money off the backs of American's they can dam well pay their share, we're always bailing them out and when it comes time to do the American people a solid we get those "in these troubled times..." commercials.

I mean to me this is one of the biggest problems with the world. The elite 0.1%. The power at the very top.

However you have to be realistic. Unless they are the ones that want to change, nothing will change. They buy our politicians, they have control over media, they own hollywood, they control silicon valley.

More and more of them do want to change, however. A number of billionaires have said recently that they should be taxed more.

Only the outspoken well known billionaires have said they maybe okay with this. The bulk of them are not. Take Paul Singer for example. Horrible person but as soon as they massively raise taxes, he'll flee the US. Wealth goes to other countries. I expect most go this route.

[dice]

He does a much better job, now, of pretending to be some kind of a warrior for racial justice, which is a joke when you look at his past. Back in his prime, he made no bones about being a bigot. I mean, my goodness, his record speaks for itself.

Not really. I don’t believe for one second they Biden is racist and to be honest.......neither is Trump.

Well, let's just say he hasn't done the African American community any favors in his half century in politics. I say he is a bigot because of some of comments about Indians, Blacks and Jews over the years. He's called Jews "shylocks", recently, said that blacks aren't diverse like the hispanic community, said you cannot go into a Dunkin Donuts or 7 Eleven "unless you have an Indian accent"..... just things like that.

This breaks down his record pretty well... from New York Mag last spring before he won the nomination

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/03/joe-biden-record-on-busing-incarceration-racial-justice-democratic-primary-2020-explained.html

I just think he's a phony. But I'm also more anti-Trump, so the lesser of two evils comes into play here. I just think it's pathetic that these have to be our choices for the highest office in the land.

'bigot' is not the word you're looking for. biden is not intolerant, nor does he harbor any malice. mere ignorance does not make one a bigot

[dice]

I mean to me this is one of the biggest problems with the world. The elite 0.1%. The power at the very top.

However you have to be realistic. Unless they are the ones that want to change, nothing will change. They buy our politicians, they have control over media, they own hollywood, they control silicon valley.

More and more of them do want to change, however. A number of billionaires have said recently that they should be taxed more.

Only the outspoken well known billionaires have said they maybe okay with this. The bulk of them are not. Take Paul Singer for example. Horrible person but as soon as they massively raise taxes, he'll flee the US. Wealth goes to other countries. I expect most go this route.

taxes are not going to be massively raised on ANYbody. that's just not a political reality. if biden wins the presidency and the dems take the senate, i anticipate the top rates going back to the obama levels

[johnnyvann840]

He does a much better job, now, of pretending to be some kind of a warrior for racial justice, which is a joke when you look at his past. Back in his prime, he made no bones about being a bigot. I mean, my goodness, his record speaks for itself.

Not really. I don’t believe for one second they Biden is racist and to be honest.......neither is Trump.

biden is clearly not racist if you know his personal past (not even considering obama choosing him as his running mate). trump clearly is

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[PlayerUp]

Additionally, the Never Trump movement has completely metamorphosed into the Vote Biden - Country First- He's a decent man movement.

I’ve been wondering if there’s ever been an election in American history where so many members of the President’s own party have straight out endorsed the other party’s candidate, from the Lincoln Project to the 120 former GOP national security officials. Not to mention those who haven’t outright endorsed Biden but don’t support Trump’s re-election like George W Bush, Jim Mattis, John Kelly and Mitt Romney. It’s kind of amazing.

Romney didn't endorse Biden though only some of his staffers did which doesn't mean much. Bush said he will keep his vote secret so I assume that means Trump. No doubt Trump has some people that don't support him inside his party but Bush republican approval was incredibly low compared to Trump.