Official trade thread/buy-out market 20-21 edition

[lazybatman]

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Wow.. that stroke is so similar to Klay.. even the kick at times. Near perfect technique.

Does he defend / move off the ball / handle the ball?

[stan francisco]

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Wow.. that stroke is so similar to Klay.. even the kick at times. Near perfect technique.

Does he defend / move off the ball / handle the ball?

He understands passing angles, moves well off the ball. Don’t know about his defense but I assume it sucks since Pop traded him away. Or maybe he’s really low IQ. Don’t know why they dropped him. Best stroke since Maravich.

[lazybatman]

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Wow.. that stroke is so similar to Klay.. even the kick at times. Near perfect technique.

Does he defend / move off the ball / handle the ball?

He understands passing angles, moves well off the ball. Don’t know about his defense but I assume it sucks since Pop traded him away. Or maybe he’s really low IQ. Don’t know why they dropped him. Best stroke since Maravich.

hmm.. that stroke though

Gallo and him have eerily similar numbers on all counts. Key differences I could notice from a few youtube videos-
- Gallo is slightly better and has a wider variety of ways to create his own shots. Better handling. Has the penchant for making the occasional HORSE shot.
- Both below average defenders, but Bertans is considerably more athletic and stronger. Can handle himself on post D, and just looks more assertive on D than Gallo.
- Gallo is 31. Bertans is 27 - entering only his 5th year in the NBA, so he's probably got a bigger upside. I'd hope Vogel, Lebron and AD can influence him into being a better player. Kinda fits with the age profile of AD too.

Although, your point about the Spurs dumping him raises question marks, I'm leaning towards him over Gallo if we got a shot.

[lazybatman]

Better lock KCP up quick

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And Rondo and Bradley.

[stan francisco]

Wow.. that stroke is so similar to Klay.. even the kick at times. Near perfect technique.

Does he defend / move off the ball / handle the ball?

He understands passing angles, moves well off the ball. Don’t know about his defense but I assume it sucks since Pop traded him away. Or maybe he’s really low IQ. Don’t know why they dropped him. Best stroke since Maravich.

hmm.. that stroke though

Gallo and him have eerily similar numbers on all counts. Key differences I could notice from a few youtube videos-
- Gallo is slightly better and has a wider variety of ways to create his own shots. Better handling. Has the penchant for making the occasional HORSE shot.
- Both below average defenders, but Bertans is considerably more athletic and stronger. Can handle himself on post D, and just looks more assertive on D than Gallo.
- Gallo is 31. Bertans is 27 - entering only his 5th year in the NBA, so he's probably got a bigger upside. I'd hope Vogel, Lebron and AD can influence him into being a better player. Kinda fits with the age profile of AD too.

Although, your point about the Spurs dumping him raises question marks, I'm leaning towards him over Gallo if we got a shot.

That stroke is poetry in motion. Worthy of a Lakers jersey. Gallo? Nah. Not for me. Bertans has fight in him. To me, Gallo always seemed indifferent, never showed any real fire. Not a champ, in my eyes.

Bertans is cold blooded. Vogel can convince him to play defense!

[zimpy27]

Lakers need to go after a guard that can get their own buckets and create for others.

Don't mind Rose idea but I prefer going after Bledsoe. Defensively he would be a great fit and defense is what won the championship.

Any new acquisition that is expected to get more than 20 minutes a game needs to be a strong defender.

Oladipo would be better than Rose or Bledsoe.

[lazybatman]

He understands passing angles, moves well off the ball. Don’t know about his defense but I assume it sucks since Pop traded him away. Or maybe he’s really low IQ. Don’t know why they dropped him. Best stroke since Maravich.

hmm.. that stroke though

Gallo and him have eerily similar numbers on all counts. Key differences I could notice from a few youtube videos-
- Gallo is slightly better and has a wider variety of ways to create his own shots. Better handling. Has the penchant for making the occasional HORSE shot.
- Both below average defenders, but Bertans is considerably more athletic and stronger. Can handle himself on post D, and just looks more assertive on D than Gallo.
- Gallo is 31. Bertans is 27 - entering only his 5th year in the NBA, so he's probably got a bigger upside. I'd hope Vogel, Lebron and AD can influence him into being a better player. Kinda fits with the age profile of AD too.

Although, your point about the Spurs dumping him raises question marks, I'm leaning towards him over Gallo if we got a shot.

That stroke is poetry in motion. Worthy of a Lakers jersey. Gallo? Nah. Not for me. Bertans has fight in him. To me, Gallo always seemed indifferent, never showed any real fire. Not a champ, in my eyes.

Bertans is cold blooded. Vogel can convince him to play defense!

Let's hope Pelinka's reading this bro.. lol

[zimpy27]

What's the vibe on Jordan Clarkson? His numbers have improved a bit as he has entered his prime.

[Beethoven]

Not a fan of revisiting the past from the kupchak era

[tamaraw08]

hmm.. that stroke though

Gallo and him have eerily similar numbers on all counts. Key differences I could notice from a few youtube videos-
- Gallo is slightly better and has a wider variety of ways to create his own shots. Better handling. Has the penchant for making the occasional HORSE shot.
- Both below average defenders, but Bertans is considerably more athletic and stronger. Can handle himself on post D, and just looks more assertive on D than Gallo.
- Gallo is 31. Bertans is 27 - entering only his 5th year in the NBA, so he's probably got a bigger upside. I'd hope Vogel, Lebron and AD can influence him into being a better player. Kinda fits with the age profile of AD too.

Although, your point about the Spurs dumping him raises question marks, I'm leaning towards him over Gallo if we got a shot.

That stroke is poetry in motion. Worthy of a Lakers jersey. Gallo? Nah. Not for me. Bertans has fight in him. To me, Gallo always seemed indifferent, never showed any real fire. Not a champ, in my eyes.

Bertans is cold blooded. Vogel can convince him to play defense!

Let's hope Pelinka's reading this bro.. lol

I wish convincing someone to play defense is that simple bec shooters like Kapono would have played longer in the league. Pelinka made it his personal mission to load this team with high % 3pt shooters like Troy Daniels, Cook, Dudley etc and all of them didn't play any significant minutes with Troy ending up in Denver. Like most fans here, I'm tired of this team laying bricks esp when Lebron and Rondo try to set them up for open 3's. I really think it's imperative that Pelinka would consult Vogel in terms of picking the right free agents bec this team really needs that consistent scorer to help this team esp when Lebron sits.

[stan francisco]

That stroke is poetry in motion. Worthy of a Lakers jersey. Gallo? Nah. Not for me. Bertans has fight in him. To me, Gallo always seemed indifferent, never showed any real fire. Not a champ, in my eyes.

Bertans is cold blooded. Vogel can convince him to play defense!

Let's hope Pelinka's reading this bro.. lol

I wish convincing someone to play defense is that simple bec shooters like Kapono would have played longer in the league. Pelinka made it his personal mission to load this team with high % 3pt shooters like Troy Daniels, Cook, Dudley etc and all of them didn't play any significant minutes with Troy ending up in Denver. Like most fans here, I'm tired of this team laying bricks esp when Lebron and Rondo try to set them up for open 3's. I really think it's imperative that Pelinka would consult Vogel in terms of picking the right free agents bec this team really needs that consistent scorer to help this team esp when Lebron sits.

Bertans.

Defense is not about inability to move. It’s about a mindful mindset, healthy coaching, team trust. We played the best defense perhaps ever seen because of, according to Vogel, “a buy-in by the entire team to make it a goal to play suffocating defense”.

[lazybatman]

Great discussion fellows. Most of us seem to be on the same page about the kinda high end role players we need to add to strengthen a championship team. Tinker but don't screw up the vibe.

I'm making a kind of a transfer board with how I prioritize Lakers' transfer targets. My general philosophy is to not sacrifice our core identity - DEFENSE. AD+Vogel lead that. Lebron buys in. KCP, Rondo, Caruso, Green, Bradley & Dwight contributed tremendously. Here goes -

1. Jerami Grant - Another Klutch guy, which can be a risky proposition for the Lakers given that there's already 6 Klutch guys on the roster. But it also means he's gonna be an easier catch than the rest of this list.
- I'm choosing him over Bertans / Gallo because he doesn't sacrifice the defensive identity of the team.
- Gives us a elite wing defender to throw at the KD, Kawhi, PG13, Butler, Tatum kinda guys, besides Lebron and AD.
- 38.9% 3fg last year - not elite but only stands to improve around Lebron and Rondo. I'll take 33% with that kinda defensive prowess.
- 25 year old - could be a great corner piece long term for the Lakeshow.

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Edit: Adding a better / older scouting video on Grant I found later

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2. Ibaka - Sign and trade for Green if we use the MLE on Grant, else MLE + McGee / Cook.
- The dude is just an amazing rim protector. Those of you who think Dwight is great, just hold your breath. This guy's the next best thing to AD & Giannis.
- He's a champion vet role player. No ego. Great chemistry guy who hosts a ridiculously funny cooking show.
- He's averaging 13-15 ppg over the last 8 years @ 50%+
- 36% career 3 fg%
- If we have Boogie, him and AD as our bigs, this team is conservatively gonna add 8-10 ppg offensively, without the clutter in the lane.

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3. Sign Korver / Belinelli on the minimum - or at least make a handshake agreements with both of them, till we're done with filling out the CAP as much as possible. Savvy veteran elite shooters and off the ball movers at minimum contracts are like Black Friday 90% discounted limited edition Jordan Brand sneakers. Cook, Trey Young, Waiters, Dudley, Caruso, Green, KCP & Bradley are never gonna be close to that level. Only takes one of them getting hot for Lebron and Rondo to milk them for 15-20 points that night for an easy win. And they're both way more serviceable on D than Cook, Young and non playoff Rondo.

4 . Bertans / Gallinari - Bertans first priority because he's younger, better pure shooter, looks more energetic on defense(if that means anything). Either of them will cost us Danny Green's defense, but I figure we can live with it for the definite offensive upside.

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If Pelinka gets Ibaka + Grant and resigns our free agents(AD, Rondo, KCP, Boogie, Morris **No Dwight**) it'll make us pretty heavy favourites to win next year IMO. This team is gonna choke elite offenses to under 80-90 points on some nights. And without a lane clogging big in the mix, the offense is gonna conservatively jump at least 8-10 points to 114-116 levels.

Bertans / Gallo & Korver / Belinelli would an icing on the cake and make us kinda invincible, regardless of what the rest of the league does.

Add / subtract / change and explain your choices please.

[loveshaq786]

Great discussion fellows. Most of us seem to be on the same page about the kinda high end role players we need to add to strengthen a championship team. Tinker but don't screw up the vibe.

I'm making a kind of a transfer board with how I prioritize Lakers' transfer targets. My general philosophy is to not sacrifice our core identity - DEFENSE. AD+Vogel lead that. Lebron buys in. KCP, Rondo, Caruso, Green, Bradley & Dwight contributed tremendously. Here goes -

1. Jerami Grant - Another Klutch guy, which can be a risky proposition for the Lakers given that there's already 6 Klutch guys on the roster. But it also means he's gonna be an easier catch than the rest of this list.
- I'm choosing him over Bertans / Gallo because he doesn't sacrifice the defensive identity of the team.
- Gives us a elite wing defender to throw at the KD, Kawhi, PG13, Butler, Tatum kinda guys, besides Lebron and AD.
- 38.9% 3fg last year - not elite but only stands to improve around Lebron and Rondo. I'll take 33% with that kinda defensive prowess.
- 25 year old - could be a great corner piece long term for the Lakeshow.

Watch on YouTube

Edit: Adding a better / older scouting video on Grant I found later

Watch on YouTube

2. Ibaka - Sign and trade for Green if we use the MLE on Grant, else MLE + McGee / Cook.
- The dude is just an amazing rim protector. Those of you who think Dwight is great, just hold your breath. This guy's the next best thing to AD & Giannis.
- He's a champion vet role player. No ego. Great chemistry guy who hosts a ridiculously funny cooking show.
- He's averaging 13-15 ppg over the last 8 years @ 50%+
- 36% career 3 fg%
- If we have Boogie, him and AD as our bigs, this team is conservatively gonna add 8-10 ppg offensively, without the clutter in the lane.

Watch on YouTube

3. Sign Korver / Belinelli on the minimum - or at least make a handshake agreements with both of them, till we're done with filling out the CAP as much as possible. Savvy veteran elite shooters and off the ball movers at minimum contracts are like Black Friday 90% discounted limited edition Jordan Brand sneakers. Cook, Trey Young, Waiters, Dudley, Caruso, Green, KCP & Bradley are never gonna be close to that level. Only takes one of them getting hot for Lebron and Rondo to milk them for 15-20 points that night for an easy win. And they're both way more serviceable on D than Cook, Young and non playoff Rondo.

4 . Bertans / Gallinari - Bertans first priority because he's younger, better pure shooter, looks more energetic on defense(if that means anything). Either of them will cost us Danny Green's defense, but I figure we can live with it for the definite offensive upside.

If Pelinka gets Ibaka + Grant and resigns our free agents(AD, Rondo, KCP, Boogie, Morris **No Dwight**) it'll make us pretty heavy favourites to win next year IMO. This team is gonna choke elite offenses to under 80-90 points on some nights. And without a lane clogging big in the mix, the offense is gonna conservatively jump at least 8-10 points to 114-116 levels.

Bertans / Gallo & Korver / Belinelli would an icing on the cake and make us kinda invincible, regardless of what the rest of the league does.

Add / subtract / change and explain your choices please.

I love the idea of Jeremy Grant on the team.

Danny Green for ibaka would be amazing!!

To add to what you were proposing... I would try to trade bradley, mcgee, and kuzma to Detroit for Christian Wood and Derrick Rose

Bertans won't be coming here for veterans minimum, so how do you propose it gets here, if we spend our MLE on Jerami Grant?

[Beethoven]

I heard that jerami grant is not possible because he will be 12 million+ and will not be one to accept a MLE

[lazybatman]

I love the idea of Jeremy Grant on the team.

Danny Green for ibaka would be amazing!!

I just noticed him during these playoffs against the LA teams, playing outstanding defense against 3 of the league's top 5 wings, albeit PG13's form. He lists as a PF, but has great technique on on-ball guard defense.

Great cutter and finisher around the rim too.

Bertans won't be coming here for veterans minimum, so how do you propose it gets here, if we spend our MLE on Jerami Grant?

Oh I don't. If we give away the MLE, Green and McGee / Cook for Grant and Ibaka, I don't know how we can even think of bringing Bertans or anyone else except vet minimums. Only possible if one of those falls through or Pelinka has a different priority order.

I just added a Bertans' scouting video to my original post, if you care to have a look. Some more information -
-ves
- 2 ACLs early in his career. Been fairly healthy since.
- Limited defensively against drives and PnR
- Choked in his limited playoff experience with the Spurs.

Kinda makes him a huge risk for a 12-18 mil contract role player, IF(and it's a big if) his offensive threat wasn't so damn off the chain -
- Dude's in a 5 man club with Klay, Curry & Ray Allen for shooting 40% on 8+ 3pt FGA - That in itself is a mic drop kinda stat.
- Ridiculously efficient long range 3 pt shooter, contested 3 pt shooter and a off the dribble 3 pt shooter
- Energetic and athletic defender, despite his limitations - Vogel should be able to coach him into being a good system defender. I'd hate someone who doesn't even try.
- He's is well on his way to being an all time top 5-7 shooter as we speak.

As I said, it would be a huge bonus to get him, but I'm taking athletic defenders who pretty much lock up the title for us, rather than lusting over his shooting stroke.. which is indeed so special.

To add to what you were proposing... I would try to trade bradley, mcgee, and kuzma to Detroit for Christian Wood and Derrick Rose

1. I don't think that package even lands us Christian Wood, let alone Derrick Rose. Wood's super young, and had a massive 2nd half of the season - 22p/10r with 39% 3fg
2. Wood is a bit of a stat chaser for blocks, rebounds and points, rather than a team first, tactically aware defender. Possibly can be a chemistry misfit.
3. I'm not trading Bradley away after losing Green. Will leave us way to thin on guard defense in this small ball era. Lebron does it barely for a quarter in the playoffs for some headlines. He couldn't care less if one of AB/KCP/Caruso get injured and Waiters/JR are getting burnt during regular season or non close-out playoff games.

[lazybatman]

I heard that jerami grant is not possible because he will be 12 million+ and will not be one to accept a MLE

Yeah, he just declined his 9.3 mil player option with Denver. And he's not getting a starter role with AD+Lebron occupying the SF/PF spots, unless we don't get Ibaka @ Center.

Can't we technically club the MLE + Cook / McGee to get a player? Rich Paul will figure out a way, if the Lakers want him.

[lazybatman]

To add to what you were proposing... I would try to trade bradley, mcgee, and kuzma to Detroit for Christian Wood and Derrick Rose

Bertans won't be coming here for veterans minimum, so how do you propose it gets here, if we spend our MLE on Jerami Grant?

Follow up trade idea -
Lakers sign and trade KCP's improved contract(12-14m) + Kuz(3.5m) + Cook / McGee
FOR
Justin Holiday(4.5m last year) + Bertans(15m)

JH is an excellent athletic perimeter defender at 6'6" and 7'0" wingspan. Had a career year shooting the 3 @ 42%. Turning 31, and unlikely to get a bigger contract.

Rich Paul can be a b*tch about moving KCP out of LA after winning the chip, but Bertans makes it worth it.

I will apologise for all my insults for Pelinka and concede that he should win the EOY for 3 straight years if he manages to pull of Grant, Ibaka and Bertans in this COVID window.

[zimpy27]

Cheaper free agents to consider:

Korver
Wes Matthews
Clarkson
Josh Jackson
Jeff Teague
Konchar
Boucher
Jones Jr
Augustin
Burks
Harkless
Craig
WCS
Noel

[stan francisco]

Great discussion fellows. Most of us seem to be on the same page about the kinda high end role players we need to add to strengthen a championship team. Tinker but don't screw up the vibe.

I'm making a kind of a transfer board with how I prioritize Lakers' transfer targets. My general philosophy is to not sacrifice our core identity - DEFENSE. AD+Vogel lead that. Lebron buys in. KCP, Rondo, Caruso, Green, Bradley & Dwight contributed tremendously. Here goes -

1. Jerami Grant - Another Klutch guy, which can be a risky proposition for the Lakers given that there's already 6 Klutch guys on the roster. But it also means he's gonna be an easier catch than the rest of this list.
- I'm choosing him over Bertans / Gallo because he doesn't sacrifice the defensive identity of the team.
- Gives us a elite wing defender to throw at the KD, Kawhi, PG13, Butler, Tatum kinda guys, besides Lebron and AD.
- 38.9% 3fg last year - not elite but only stands to improve around Lebron and Rondo. I'll take 33% with that kinda defensive prowess.
- 25 year old - could be a great corner piece long term for the Lakeshow.

Watch on YouTube

Edit: Adding a better / older scouting video on Grant I found later

Watch on YouTube

2. Ibaka - Sign and trade for Green if we use the MLE on Grant, else MLE + McGee / Cook.
- The dude is just an amazing rim protector. Those of you who think Dwight is great, just hold your breath. This guy's the next best thing to AD & Giannis.
- He's a champion vet role player. No ego. Great chemistry guy who hosts a ridiculously funny cooking show.
- He's averaging 13-15 ppg over the last 8 years @ 50%+
- 36% career 3 fg%
- If we have Boogie, him and AD as our bigs, this team is conservatively gonna add 8-10 ppg offensively, without the clutter in the lane.

Watch on YouTube

3. Sign Korver / Belinelli on the minimum - or at least make a handshake agreements with both of them, till we're done with filling out the CAP as much as possible. Savvy veteran elite shooters and off the ball movers at minimum contracts are like Black Friday 90% discounted limited edition Jordan Brand sneakers. Cook, Trey Young, Waiters, Dudley, Caruso, Green, KCP & Bradley are never gonna be close to that level. Only takes one of them getting hot for Lebron and Rondo to milk them for 15-20 points that night for an easy win. And they're both way more serviceable on D than Cook, Young and non playoff Rondo.

4 . Bertans / Gallinari - Bertans first priority because he's younger, better pure shooter, looks more energetic on defense(if that means anything). Either of them will cost us Danny Green's defense, but I figure we can live with it for the definite offensive upside.

If Pelinka gets Ibaka + Grant and resigns our free agents(AD, Rondo, KCP, Boogie, Morris **No Dwight**) it'll make us pretty heavy favourites to win next year IMO. This team is gonna choke elite offenses to under 80-90 points on some nights. And without a lane clogging big in the mix, the offense is gonna conservatively jump at least 8-10 points to 114-116 levels.

Bertans / Gallo & Korver / Belinelli would an icing on the cake and make us kinda invincible, regardless of what the rest of the league does.

Add / subtract / change and explain your choices please.

I love the idea of Jeremy Grant on the team.

Danny Green for ibaka would be amazing!!

To add to what you were proposing... I would try to trade bradley, mcgee, and kuzma to Detroit for Christian Wood and Derrick Rose

Bertans won't be coming here for veterans minimum, so how do you propose it gets here, if we spend our MLE on Jerami Grant?

I was toying with the idea of trading Green with our #28 for a S&T Bertans 2+1(TO).

Jerami Grant? Yes.

Green for Ibaka? Yes.

[chefy]

Clarkson might be a low risk high reward move.