2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still

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Well, there goes another stupid MAGA fantasy out the window

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-deutsche-bank-exclusive/exclusive-tired-of-trump-deutsche-bank-wants-out-but-sees-no-good-options-sources-idUSKBN27J0G0

NEW YORK/FRANKFURT (Reuters) - Deutsche Bank AG DBKGn.DE is looking for ways to end its relationship with President Donald Trump after the U.S. elections, as it tires of the negative publicity stemming from the ties, according to three senior bank officials with direct knowledge of the matter.

Deutsche Bank has about $340 million in loans outstanding to the Trump Organization, the president’s umbrella group that is currently overseen by his two sons, according to filings made by Trump to the U.S. Office of Government Ethics in July and a senior source within the bank. The three loans, which are against Trump properties and start coming due in two years, are current on payments and personally guaranteed by the president, according to two bank officials.

One idea that has come up in the meetings: sell the loans in the secondary market, two of the bank officials said. But one of the officials said that idea has not gained traction, in part because it is not clear who would want to buy the loans and the attendant problems that come with it.

Hmm...anyone interested in becoming a Trump creditor? Wonder if an investment like that could get crowdfunded...?

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-deutsche-bank-exclusive/exclusive-tired-of-trump-deutsche-bank-wants-out-but-sees-no-good-options-sources-idUSKBN27J0G0

NEW YORK/FRANKFURT (Reuters) - Deutsche Bank AG DBKGn.DE is looking for ways to end its relationship with President Donald Trump after the U.S. elections, as it tires of the negative publicity stemming from the ties, according to three senior bank officials with direct knowledge of the matter.

Deutsche Bank has about $340 million in loans outstanding to the Trump Organization, the president’s umbrella group that is currently overseen by his two sons, according to filings made by Trump to the U.S. Office of Government Ethics in July and a senior source within the bank. The three loans, which are against Trump properties and start coming due in two years, are current on payments and personally guaranteed by the president, according to two bank officials.

One idea that has come up in the meetings: sell the loans in the secondary market, two of the bank officials said. But one of the officials said that idea has not gained traction, in part because it is not clear who would want to buy the loans and the attendant problems that come with it.

Hmm...anyone interested in becoming a Trump creditor? Wonder if an investment like that could get crowdfunded...?

They're just chit talking. They've made loans in the past to Trump that they've eaten because they were collateralized by Putin so they really were not taking on the risk. What they're really worried about is investigation into those arrangements plus the role of Justice Kennedy and his son. Of course they want to distance themselves from a former president heading to prison or fleeing the country. Karma is a bitch

[Clyde_Style]

One of the social rules most of us grew up with is you shouldn't call someone an ethnic or racial slur, but that person has the power to use it themselves. The classic example of course is that a black person can say the N word and a lot of black folks do call each other that, but if you're not black you need to keep your mouth shut.

In that spirit, I'm in the mood to say something about white American males since I happen to be one of them. For some reason, it seems the majority of white males are giant wimps. They need guns to feel strong. They need boogeymen to feel unified. They need to play the victim card because they fear being marginalized by a growing non-white population when the truth is the only thing that marginalizes them is their giant sense of inadequacy, their lack of self-esteem and abject fear of failure.

These are not real men. They are babies and cowards. A good percentage of white American males are pathetic excuses of manhood. They strut and posture and threaten those they don't feel belong in their mentally stunted tribe.

I understand if a black person wants to revel in their blackness. I really have no issue with it. I grew up reveling in black music and to me it was nothing but good. But it freaks the hell out of a lot of white American males. Personally, I feel nothing to revel in about being caucasian. I want power to be spread among the races because it is just. Nobody needs to guilt trip me or tell me I'm the enemy of progress if I don't agree with burning everything down. But I am definitely not the enemy of non-white people.

I do feel, however, too many whites are the enemy, my enemy, your enemy, because their minds are diseased with the inferiority that manifests as their embrace of their vile notions of racial superiority. A secure and righteous human being doesn't need to hide behind racial identification to assert their rights, but these cowards do. The only reason BLM has to exist is because white people target black people. If we had real equality it wouldn't be necessary. But it is because of what white men do.

Trumpism is a disease of white people, the majority of whom are male. They are not kind or wise and very few of them will learn the error of their ways.

I cannot say I'm ashamed of white American men who support Trump, because I didn't have any racial allegiance to whiteness to begin with. I just DGAF about them and their feelings of white tribalism and never have. So I never expected anything of this kind of person and thus they cannot disappoint me. I just didn't know how many of them there were in this country. I've been ashamed of America, but I'm not ashamed of being white myself. This is just the package that I arrived in.

I simply don't respect half of the white men in this country and probably never will. They are mendacious and need to be stopped before they bring back the lynch mobs and the pogroms. They are a disgrace. Anyone who votes for Trump now is to be considered a zealot and a racist. They are not capable of shame so I do not care now about saying what I have said.

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This pandemic is about to increase its power to Mach V this month with massive amounts of deaths resulting around the end of December.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/02/world/covid-19-coronavirus-updates?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

[robillionaire]

This pandemic is about to increase its power to Mach V this month with massive amounts of deaths resulting around the end of December.

I hope not but it's highly possible

[Clyde_Style]

This pandemic is about to increase its power to Mach V this month with massive amounts of deaths resulting around the end of December.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/02/world/covid-19-coronavirus-updates?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

If you look at this model, it shows the virus really taking off in January with three divergent paths based on whether social protocols are observed or not.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america?view=total-deaths&tab=trend

The basic projections there shows that by the end of February there could be a difference of almost 200,000 more dead or NOT depending on whether we mask up or not

In a nutshell, by the end of February this model shows the total dead as

500,000 - People don't observe safety measures
400,000 - Path we're on with some observant, others not
300,000 - We clamp down very soon and start to contain it (still means more deaths coming)

So, based on this model, we should expect 150,000+ more casualties in the next four months, since the protocols observed to attain the lower projection is not happening now

[HarthorneWingo]

This pandemic is about to increase its power to Mach V this month with massive amounts of deaths resulting around the end of December.

I hope not but it's highly possible

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/11/02/world/covid-19-coronavirus-updates?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

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[bigfnjoe96]

Up and getting ready to go vote!

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[BallSacBounce]

Camerota's reaction is too funny when Lt. Gov. Fetterman tells her there was 57K Trump Supporters at his rally in Butler, PA. Total shock as her echo bubble gets burst by the true extent of the Presidents popularity.

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Lmao "disaster porn."

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And supposedly if you take 538s mapping tool it says if Trump wins Arizona it's 60/40 Trump and if he wins Ohio it's 90/10 Trump. I don't know about Arizona but he's definitely winning Ohio, Florida, Georgia and North Carolina. He's ahead of where he needs to be going into Election day more on that later.

[Pointgod]

You are pointing out grifters that are not representative of progressives or even leftists and if you think the lincoln project has integrity and honest intentions you are a sucker

The Lincoln Project have been honest in trying to exercise Trumpism from the Republican Party. They’re not claiming to be Democrats and they’ve been pretty blatant that once Trump is gone they’ll go back to backing Conservative principles against Democrats. They’ve also gone hard after Senate Republicans which shows that they’re not just paying lip service to taking out Trump. They have a self interest to save their party from the QAnon crazies. Grifters on the left like Tim Poole simply parrot right wing talking points about rioters and looting, how the left is crazy, spreading misinformation about lockdowns etc. They’re not trying to make a better Democratic Party or better America. They’ll continue pushing their right wing talking points about Antifa, the radical left because it sells to the far right who will eat up any bull that fits into their persecution and victim narrative. We have lots of examples in this thread.

Seems like you just want to demonize the progressives and are using Tim Poole to do so, despite ample evidence that he does not speak for progressives and is not representative of them as a whole. Almost as if you're dusting off the 2016 playbook and getting the "our candidate only lost cause of the progressives, no other reasons whatsoever" talking points ready.

I’m doing no such thing. I’m going based on facts and Tim Poole tried to position himself as someone who’s not right wing but regurgitates right wing talking points. The whole point of my argument is to point out left grifters that use disingenuous talking points. I’ve looked up Tim Poole and he’s never claimed to be on the right, I don’t believe him but I’m just pointing out a fact pattern. If you can provide me evidence where Tim Poole is claiming to be right wing I’m happy to look at it. Regardless of his ideology we can all agree that he’s a piece of trash.

[E-Balla]

Anyone that think Trump has no chance doesn't know America. Trump and the Republican Party aren't playing fair and they never have so he's got at least a 20% shot as staying president no matter what.

[bigfnjoe96]

Thanks to all the predecessors, who made this possible!

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[Pointgod]

You are pointing out grifters that are not representative of progressives or even leftists and if you think the lincoln project has integrity and honest intentions you are a sucker

The Lincoln Project have been honest in trying to exercise Trumpism from the Republican Party. They’re not claiming to be Democrats and they’ve been pretty blatant that once Trump is gone they’ll go back to backing Conservative principles against Democrats. They’ve also gone hard after Senate Republicans which shows that they’re not just paying lip service to taking out Trump. They have a self interest to save their party from the QAnon crazies. Grifters on the left like Tim Poole simply parrot right wing talking points about rioters and looting, how the left is crazy, spreading misinformation about lockdowns etc. They’re not trying to make a better Democratic Party or better America. They’ll continue pushing their right wing talking points about Antifa, the radical left because it sells to the far right who will eat up any bull that fits into their persecution and victim narrative. We have lots of examples in this thread.

I agree with some of that, tim pool isn't even on the left he's a proto fascist grifter who once in life described himself as a centrist liberal and decided to take advantage of outrage culture because he saw money in it. he's been palling around with the white supremacists for a long time now. i can't even believe we are talking about him, dude is not relevant in politics or outside twitter. actual progressive politicians have bent over backwards trying to help biden get across the finish line. even many left wing organizations that would never have thought about voting for a democrat but recognize that this election is different have unexpectedly urged people to vote stop this current regime. sure it's true that some of the ones you named have done this and carried water for trump and they deserve criticism but I don't think they are truly representative of the left in the US

Of course Tim Poole isn’t representative of the left or Progressives. My post never said anything like that. The only reason he was even brought up is by Polk as some kind of gotcha and I was merely pointing that the dude is a hack, like other hacks as well. I thought that much was obvious. I’ve done nothing but given credit and praise for any Progressives that have been preaching unity and getting Trump the **** out of office. I’m merely pointing out that there are a bunch of **** grifters who are on the left or posing as left wing who don’t care about either party, just making money.

[BallSacBounce]

So this is where we stand in various battlegrounds Trump is ahead of where he was 2016 when he won these states. Obviously doesn't mean he will definitely win these again but with the Democrat covid fear porn it's unlikely Biden voters brave a "certain" death on old Joe's behalf. So it's looking really good.

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This is with voter suppression, right? What would it be without?

[rammagen]

It's ironic to me that you guys call Trump an Authoritarian and Dictator but when he doesn't declare an authoritarian mandate on lockdowns and masking he is not authoritarian enough. He did everything that is required at a federal level. Imposed travel bans early, made sure masks, testing and ventilators were made available to all that needed them quickly. It is not up to the President or federal government to dictate what individual states do. That is not the way this government works. We still have an overwhelming amount of states rights which was designed to NOT allow a Authoritarian to have complete control on their say of the country as a protection. No one told Cuomo to put sick people in nursing homes or tell the people to continue as normal until it got out of hand and then backtracked and blamed Trump for it.

Trump is a malicious idiot who wouldn't understand federalism and state rights if it bit him on the ass. He has clearly demonstrated the only state's whose rights he respects are the ones run by people who suck him off. If you oppose him in any way you can kiss your state's rights away. Trump has loudly announced multiple times that he is only the president of the red states and everyone else can go F themselves. He's not a president. He's a gang leader.

You are absolutely right! When the Mayor of of Seattle completely lost control of his city and CHAZ took over city property, Trump rushed in with the military within hours and broke it up. Oh wait, noooo he didn't do that......

He has stayed out of state affairs on numerus accounts but he has the right to tell them when they are doing a terrible job. Which just so happens to be a lot of these Democrat run cities and states.

What is amazing is that he has not stayed out of state affairs Portland ring a bell? Where federal agents were detaining people illegally? they did not identify themselves as agent no badges or Miranda rights just detaining people. The he takes credit for when Govs call in troops. You can't have it both ways

Or lets go onto trump supporters themselves who feel empowered to stop buses and cars on highways? that is why people call trump Authoritarian.

The way he treats the media is another reason very hitler esq. To be perfectly clear the Washington Post, NY times, CNN, Chicago Tribune, NBA, ABC are not fake news. The Washington post and the times are Pulitzer winning publications and because they are critical of trump and his record, morons believe these are now fake but trust the ny post?

The lies, the hate, the 230k covid deaths that could have been preventable tell those people who died how great trump is but do not waste your time telling me you are supporting anything that man has done for any reason because much like Adam Gase they both suck at their jobs.. He has made a mockery and a shame out of the Oval office, his comments on the election and how votes are counted are moronic and at this point only idiots would believe him. Any Argument you make can be countered and very easily with facts, qanon crap

Tax breaks that has proven it only favors the rich, the deficit, the un-needed trade wars to get a better deal that he never got, the wall with Mexico he maybe has less then 100 new miles of wall, and who is paying for that again?

[Pointgod]

Anyone that think Trump has no chance doesn't know America. Trump and the Republican Party aren't playing fair and they never have so he's got at least a 20% shot as staying president no matter what.

No one has said that Trump has no chance. If that was the case you wouldn’t have record early voting numbers and projected record votes. There’s also a possibility that Trump also wins legitimately by turning out a record number of his voters. The thing working against him is that there’s already been 100 million early votes cast, dominated by Democrats and Independents, there not even taking into consideration who they voted for. The cap on the total votes seems to be 150 million so that means that Trump would have to get pretty high share of the in day votes, most likely over 60% or even higher. Trump is not some magicians and sometimes the numbers just speak for themselves, you can’t out will math.

And sure Republicans will try to cheat to steal the election but in reality they can only do that if it’s close. Hope for a blow out.