Trade Thread (TRADE WARS EPISODE V: The Empire Strikes Back)

[jason bourne]

Heck I'm thinking the Warriors will be the ones looking to cut salary.

The warriors are 16 mil over the lux tax threshold already. Meaning at least a 32 mil lux tax bill.
#2 pick gets around 7 mil a year! ... that means another 14 mil to the tax bill.
There's no way the warriors are going to add the full TPE 17 mil ... that would be another 34 mil to the tax bill.

This is with potentially a 72 to 50 game season with potentially no fans in chase center (ie their money maker).

If the warriors trade down to #8 pick, they could get a future 1st maybe. #8 pick gets around 4 mil a year. 3 mil less in contract per year and 6 mill less in lux tax.

Anyway I think the Warriors will trade down just to reduce their tax bill slightly. I don't see them using the full TPE.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/cap/

2020-21 Luxury Tax Totals
Denotes the Warriors current standing in terms of the luxury tax threshold. Teams that spend over the threshold pay fines (estimated below).
TYPE TOTALS
2020 NBA Luxury Tax Threshold $132,627,000
Total Taxable Salaries $148,884,768
Luxury Tax Space $-16,257,768
Est. Luxury Tax Bill $32,837,749

First, the Warriors want to win get a team to win a ship. The best way is thru trades as the Ws do not have the luxury of developing their draft picks. Thus, we hear the Ws are willing to trade their #2 pick.

The way you equalize, if not lessen the lux tax apron, is to first identify a trade to have the team contend for a ship in the next year or two. The best deal I could find is for Ben Simmons, but one has to take on the huge contract of Al Horford. Horford may still have something left in tank at 34 to contribute as C for the Ws. In order to do that, the Ws will have to get an expiring contract for their TPE and be able to use it as part of the trade.

[Scoots1994]

The Warriors have repeatedly said they want to win now but they don't want to sacrifice the future to do so. The Warriors are excited to try to use the pick to add a star AND maximize their roster and assets values to win now and in the future.

[SF_Warriors]

We’ve got to get Robert Covington from the Rockets. Got to hope they want to save $$$. 48th pick, Damion Lee for Covington & Rivers.

Pipe dream. BUT with Westbrook’s and Harden on the team they just need “other guys” to fill the other positions. Lee and 48th pick. Hell even Throw in both 2nd rounders or Smailagic. Save Rockets $$

Curry/Rivers/Bowman
Klay/Poole
Wiggins/Covington
Draymond/Paschall/Smailagic
Wiseman/Quese/Looney

Still lacking the stretch big man looking at it. Size as well as veteran bigs lacking too - Green & Looney the only big vets.

You can't honestly believe houston would trade a wing on one of the best contracts in the league for that garbage..and on top of that the salaries do not match.

[ILOVEIT]

Among the names that keep popping up is Phoenix Suns guard Kelly Oubre Jr., who the Warriors reportedly have interest in trying to acquire via trade, according to ESPN's Nick Friedell.

"The name that keeps popping up when you talk to people is Kelly Oubre," Friedell said Wednesday on "The Jump" (h/t Bleacher Report's Joseph Zucker) "Can they get him in? What would they have to give up? They have the trade exception for Andre Iguodala as well that expires here in a little bit."

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/nba-rumors-kelly-oubre-interests-warriors-potential-trade-target

I think the Warriors would pull the trigger if they think that Isaac Okoro would still be there with the #10 pick, but that's a longshot now.

Oubre Jr. would have to be that special player to use the big TPE on. He may still have upside, but I don't know if the Warriors would take that chance since they have Wiggins.

Oubre is an expiring contract, so that's a consideration.

It's probably not enough, but what about:
Warriors get: Kelly Oubre Jr. + Ricky Rubio + #10 pick
Suns get: #2 pick LaMelo Ball, Andrew Wiggins, Ky Bowman, 2021 FRP

EDIT - Didn't see including the 2021 pick. I think Suns get too much with the 2021 pick if THEY REALLY WANT Lamelo.
Actually a great trade IMO. Warriors solve SF spot....(if trading Wiggins), get an AMAZING backup point and can still look at guys like Bay or Okoro or someone in the 10th spot. They could also do this trade and then do another to move back up to perhaps the 5th spot. Maybe they make that trade and then send Jordan Poole plus 10th pick to get the 6th...something like that.

[Scoots1994]

We’ve got to get Robert Covington from the Rockets. Got to hope they want to save $$$. 48th pick, Damion Lee for Covington & Rivers.

Pipe dream. BUT with Westbrook’s and Harden on the team they just need “other guys” to fill the other positions. Lee and 48th pick. Hell even Throw in both 2nd rounders or Smailagic. Save Rockets $$

Curry/Rivers/Bowman
Klay/Poole
Wiggins/Covington
Draymond/Paschall/Smailagic
Wiseman/Quese/Looney

Still lacking the stretch big man looking at it. Size as well as veteran bigs lacking too - Green & Looney the only big vets.

You can't honestly believe houston would trade a wing on one of the best contracts in the league for that garbage..and on top of that the salaries do not match.

In a buyers market and the Rockets maybe desperate to dump salary the Rockets may not get many offers for their players. Not that they'd get him for Lee and a 2nd, but he maybe available.

[Mylie10]

I think lots of teams would line up for Covington simply based on the player and contract. It’s team friendly based on him as a player.

[jason bourne]

We’ve got to get Robert Covington from the Rockets. Got to hope they want to save $$$. 48th pick, Damion Lee for Covington & Rivers.

Pipe dream. BUT with Westbrook’s and Harden on the team they just need “other guys” to fill the other positions. Lee and 48th pick. Hell even Throw in both 2nd rounders or Smailagic. Save Rockets $$

Curry/Rivers/Bowman
Klay/Poole
Wiggins/Covington
Draymond/Paschall/Smailagic
Wiseman/Quese/Looney

Still lacking the stretch big man looking at it. Size as well as veteran bigs lacking too - Green & Looney the only big vets.

You can't honestly believe houston would trade a wing on one of the best contracts in the league for that garbage..and on top of that the salaries do not match.

In a buyers market and the Rockets maybe desperate to dump salary the Rockets may not get many offers for their players. Not that they'd get him for Lee and a 2nd, but he maybe available.

That would seem like a dream trade, but it's hard to get that from a conference rival. The new Rafael Stone and Eli Witus of the Rockets would want to make a big splash first before they look at the side deals. I think they'll keep both Harden and Westbrook, but not sure where they want to get their third star from. Gordon is like their sixth man, and maybe they want to go bigger than PJ Tucker.

[Scoots1994]

I think lots of teams would line up for Covington simply based on the player and contract. It’s team friendly based on him as a player.

Yep.

[Scoots1994]

You can't honestly believe houston would trade a wing on one of the best contracts in the league for that garbage..and on top of that the salaries do not match.

In a buyers market and the Rockets maybe desperate to dump salary the Rockets may not get many offers for their players. Not that they'd get him for Lee and a 2nd, but he maybe available.

That would seem like a dream trade, but it's hard to get that from a conference rival. The new Rafael Stone and Eli Witus of the Rockets would want to make a big splash first before they look at the side deals. I think they'll keep both Harden and Westbrook, but not sure where they want to get their third star from. Gordon is like their sixth man, and maybe they want to go bigger than PJ Tucker.

My Rockets fan friends in Houston think Morey left in part because he was tired of being told by ownership to sell players cheap every year.

If they are told they MUST be under the tax threshold then the most sellable asset they have is Covington. Harden is off the table, Westbrook would be near impossible to sell, Gordon has 4 years left on his deal, PJ Tucker and Danuel House together make less than Covington.

They need to add 6 players without adding more than $2.5M to their salary, so IF they are told to get under the tax they pretty much have to move out PJ or Covington and my buddy in Houston thinks it's more likely Covington.

[jason bourne]

In a buyers market and the Rockets maybe desperate to dump salary the Rockets may not get many offers for their players. Not that they'd get him for Lee and a 2nd, but he maybe available.

That would seem like a dream trade, but it's hard to get that from a conference rival. The new Rafael Stone and Eli Witus of the Rockets would want to make a big splash first before they look at the side deals. I think they'll keep both Harden and Westbrook, but not sure where they want to get their third star from. Gordon is like their sixth man, and maybe they want to go bigger than PJ Tucker.

My Rockets fan friends in Houston think Morey left in part because he was tired of being told by ownership to sell players cheap every year.

If they are told they MUST be under the tax threshold then the most sellable asset they have is Covington. Harden is off the table, Westbrook would be near impossible to sell, Gordon has 4 years left on his deal, PJ Tucker and Danuel House together make less than Covington.

They need to add 6 players without adding more than $2.5M to their salary, so IF they are told to get under the tax they pretty much have to move out PJ or Covington and my buddy in Houston thinks it's more likely Covington.

That's hecka interesting. Part of it is not having a young future star or stars from the draft like the Miami Heat; It makes me appreciate having Eric Paschall more.

I agree it means the Rockets probably will have to give up a player like Covington to dump salary whom the Warriors could get using their TPE. Teams should be more interested in him than Gordon and his deal. Gordon is likely a Rocket for the rest of his career.

[Mylie10]

Well, first thing Houston will do is try and find a team willing to take on Gordon. If that fails, maybe they look at Covington. I thought PJ was a free agent. If not he could fit into our TPE.

[marthafokker]

If players (I mean LeBron) force mid Jan start date, some teams might fight for the TPE.... Especially Houston owner.

[Warriors Analyst]

Well, first thing Houston will do is try and find a team willing to take on Gordon. If that fails, maybe they look at Covington. I thought PJ was a free agent. If not he could fit into our TPE.

From a practical POV it will be far easier to get rid of Covington than Gordon. Probably need to attach assets to dump Gordon.

[ChuckDurn]

Well, first thing Houston will do is try and find a team willing to take on Gordon. If that fails, maybe they look at Covington. I thought PJ was a free agent. If not he could fit into our TPE.

From a practical POV it will be far easier to get rid of Covington than Gordon. Probably need to attach assets to dump Gordon.

Yep. And the reality is, Houston's 1st-round picks for the next several years aren't available to be traded, because enough are owed either directly or conditionally to OKC (because of the CP3/Westbrook deal) that they can't trade any more due to the Stephen rule.

In other words..... Houston doesn't really have the assets that they would need to add in order to get rid of Gordon. He's stuck there.

[Scoots1994]

Well, first thing Houston will do is try and find a team willing to take on Gordon. If that fails, maybe they look at Covington. I thought PJ was a free agent. If not he could fit into our TPE.

I'd be surprised if a team took Gordon's contract on, particularly with a possible flat cap for several years, but it's possible.

PJ is LOVED in Houston and he's old so his value may be higher for Houston than anyone else.

[Mylie10]

Well, first thing Houston will do is try and find a team willing to take on Gordon. If that fails, maybe they look at Covington. I thought PJ was a free agent. If not he could fit into our TPE.

From a practical POV it will be far easier to get rid of Covington than Gordon. Probably need to attach assets to dump Gordon.

Are you familiar with the term....Duh

[Mylie10]

By the way I’m not proposing anything. Covington won’t be dealt. If he is, I’ll be very surprised.

[SF_Warriors]

That would seem like a dream trade, but it's hard to get that from a conference rival. The new Rafael Stone and Eli Witus of the Rockets would want to make a big splash first before they look at the side deals. I think they'll keep both Harden and Westbrook, but not sure where they want to get their third star from. Gordon is like their sixth man, and maybe they want to go bigger than PJ Tucker.

My Rockets fan friends in Houston think Morey left in part because he was tired of being told by ownership to sell players cheap every year.

If they are told they MUST be under the tax threshold then the most sellable asset they have is Covington. Harden is off the table, Westbrook would be near impossible to sell, Gordon has 4 years left on his deal, PJ Tucker and Danuel House together make less than Covington.

They need to add 6 players without adding more than $2.5M to their salary, so IF they are told to get under the tax they pretty much have to move out PJ or Covington and my buddy in Houston thinks it's more likely Covington.

That's hecka interesting. Part of it is not having a young future star or stars from the draft like the Miami Heat; It makes me appreciate having Eric Paschall more.

I agree it means the Rockets probably will have to give up a player like Covington to dump salary whom the Warriors could get using their TPE. Teams should be more interested in him than Gordon and his deal. Gordon is likely a Rocket for the rest of his career.

Would the warriors be able to offer TPE and say, a future 1st? A second round pick seems kind of insulting for a guy of covington's caliber.

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[Mylie10]

Not sure how Wiggins and only 2 gets that.

I’m sure Looney would be involved and most likely a young guy like Paschall. But wouldn’t Morey and Brand demand the Minny pick as well?

And Morey just came out and said he looks forward to Embiid and Ben together.

What makes more sense, which I wouldn’t do is Morey asking for our 2 and Wiggins for Horford. I wouldn’t do that