Hayward Likely to OPT-IN to final year of contract!

[SmartWentCrazy]

Ooops. Didn't see this thread. I think if any team expresses any interest in Hayward Danny should ship him out immediately. Throgh a combination of factors he has been a waste of time and money in Boston. He was approaching something decent at one point. That time I feel is now past. He's damaged. He would be a fool to opt out. Boston would be stupid to invest anything more in him. If Danny could find any way to move him he should do it. I doubt any team would be that stupid though.

You guys are tripping, Hayward was arguably our 2nd best player in the regular season this year, and we are about to lose him for nothing, killing decent trades in the process.

Not good!

Eh, he was our third— Kemba had a poor finish but he was **** awesome pre-ASG.

Further, we’d likely get a TPE and I trust Ainge. He’s been dead silent this offseason and I’d guess he’s up to something.

[Floody100]

Ooops. Didn't see this thread. I think if any team expresses any interest in Hayward Danny should ship him out immediately. Throgh a combination of factors he has been a waste of time and money in Boston. He was approaching something decent at one point. That time I feel is now past. He's damaged. He would be a fool to opt out. Boston would be stupid to invest anything more in him. If Danny could find any way to move him he should do it. I doubt any team would be that stupid though.

You guys are tripping, Hayward was arguably our 2nd best player in the regular season this year, and we are about to lose him for nothing, killing decent trades in the process.

Not good!

Yes their were times when he definitely looked it but he didn’t play enough to be considered our second best player thid year.

[Parliament10]

Ooops. Didn't see this thread. I think if any team expresses any interest in Hayward Danny should ship him out immediately. Throgh a combination of factors he has been a waste of time and money in Boston. He was approaching something decent at one point. That time I feel is now past. He's damaged. He would be a fool to opt out. Boston would be stupid to invest anything more in him. If Danny could find any way to move him he should do it. I doubt any team would be that stupid though.

You guys are tripping, Hayward was arguably our 2nd best player in the regular season this year, and we are about to lose him for nothing, killing decent trades in the process.

Not good!

Eh, he was our third— Kemba had a poor finish but he was **** awesome pre-ASG.

Further, we’d likely get a TPE and I trust Ainge. He’s been dead silent this offseason and I’d guess he’s up to something.

A big TPE would give us more flexibility going into the next season. Plus, it's good for a year.

[Captain_Caveman]

Ooops. Didn't see this thread. I think if any team expresses any interest in Hayward Danny should ship him out immediately. Throgh a combination of factors he has been a waste of time and money in Boston. He was approaching something decent at one point. That time I feel is now past. He's damaged. He would be a fool to opt out. Boston would be stupid to invest anything more in him. If Danny could find any way to move him he should do it. I doubt any team would be that stupid though.

You guys are tripping, Hayward was arguably our 2nd best player in the regular season this year, and we are about to lose him for nothing, killing decent trades in the process.

Not good!

Eh, he was our third— Kemba had a poor finish but he was **** awesome pre-ASG.

Further, we’d likely get a TPE and I trust Ainge. He’s been dead silent this offseason and I’d guess he’s up to something.

Only getting a TPE for Hayward would be a huge loss.

[Bleeding Green]

You guys really all about holding a losing asset for 3 years and then selling the bottom.

[SmartWentCrazy]

You guys are tripping, Hayward was arguably our 2nd best player in the regular season this year, and we are about to lose him for nothing, killing decent trades in the process.

Not good!

Eh, he was our third— Kemba had a poor finish but he was **** awesome pre-ASG.

Further, we’d likely get a TPE and I trust Ainge. He’s been dead silent this offseason and I’d guess he’s up to something.

Only getting a TPE for Hayward would be a huge loss.

When the alternative is zilch, i’ll take it.

[SmartWentCrazy]

You guys really all about holding a losing asset for 3 years and then selling the bottom.

No. But im not about letting an asset expire worthless when I can get a few bucks for it. Our future with Hayward isnt extending beyond next year. Better to get something than nothing IMO. Using a TPE to S&T for Christian Wood is a great counter to a **** situation.

[Parliament10]

You guys really all about holding a losing asset for 3 years and then selling the bottom.

No. But im not about letting an asset expire worthless when I can get a few bucks for it. Our future with Hayward isnt extending beyond next year. Better to get something than nothing IMO. Using a TPE to S&T for Christian Wood is a great counter to a **** situation.

I still think that we Trade him for 2-3 lesser players.
If not that, then some type of TPE.

[Captain_Caveman]

Eh, he was our third— Kemba had a poor finish but he was **** awesome pre-ASG.

Further, we’d likely get a TPE and I trust Ainge. He’s been dead silent this offseason and I’d guess he’s up to something.

Only getting a TPE for Hayward would be a huge loss.

When the alternative is zilch, i’ll take it.

Even accounting for UFA vs RFA and older vs young, this is a decided shift from your take about asset management with Jaylen. As a big market team, shouldn't we just tell Hayward we will match or slightly exceed what he gets offered by other teams? No one is giving you as desirable a player for a TPE.

Let's also note the Grand Canyonesque gulf between this take and claiming Hayward wouldn't get 3/60m on the market this year. I Have always said that it is far more dynamic that the x amount of teams with y amount of projected cap room.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Only getting a TPE for Hayward would be a huge loss.

When the alternative is zilch, i’ll take it.

Even accounting for UFA vs RFA and older vs young, this is a decided shift from your take about asset management with Jaylen. As a big market team, shouldn't we just tell Hayward we will match or slightly exceed what he gets offered by other teams? No one is giving you as desirable a player for a TPE.

Let's also note the Grand Canyonesque gulf between this take and claiming Hayward wouldn't get 3/60m on the market this year. I Have always said that it is far more dynamic that the x amount of teams with y amount of projected cap room.

I dont think he’d retain value at whatever contract he signs. Much like Kemba or Tobias Harris, where they’d always get the deal on the open market but that doesnt mean they’d return much on the trade market. Jaylen is different due to his age and where he is on the development curve.

Im still not thoroughly convinced he opts out. But yes; i misinderstood how dumb Atlanta may be when it comes to offering him a deal. Every other team thats interested in him would be relying on him opting in.

My preference is still Dallas in this regard, as stated a few pages back. They have great bench pieces on good contracts [Kleber and Curry] and some contracts they’d like to dump before next summer [Powell and Wright]. A deal for all 4, where we also send out Kanter and Poirier is my preference. They clear nearly 40M in future cap and can look to add a max FA to Hayward/Luka/Porzingis, we save 7M this year and add some actual depth. Also gives us two contracts that are tradable at the next deadline for an available piece with a draft pick.

[celtics543]

I'm all for keeping Hayward. Talent wins in the NBA. I'd prefer one guy who has huge talent over two or three with less talent. His passing, spacing, ball handling, and timely scoring is important for us. He's had some freak injuries unfortunately but we aren't trading him for an upgrade.

My preference would be for him to opt out and agree to a restructured deal for like 4/100 going forward.

[ConstableGeneva]

Hayward opting in or out would be our first major offseason domino. NBA & NBPA need to hurry up and set the important dates already. The suspense is killing me. I wanna know Gordo's fate ASAP.

(Draft isn't as major unless we're making a significant trade like moving up into top 7.)

[Parliament10]

Hayward opting in or out would be our first major offseason domino. NBA & NBPA need to hurry up and set the important dates already. The suspense is killing me. I wanna know Gordo's fate ASAP.

(Draft isn't as major unless we're making a significant trade like moving up into top 7.)

Agreed. After the NBA/NBPA get their stuff together, then comes the Draft.
After that, the Celtics prime domino is Gordon Hayward. Everything is going to go fast, after Free Agency kicks in.

[MagicBagley18]

You guys really all about holding a losing asset for 3 years and then selling the bottom.

No. But im not about letting an asset expire worthless when I can get a few bucks for it. Our future with Hayward isnt extending beyond next year. Better to get something than nothing IMO. Using a TPE to S&T for Christian Wood is a great counter to a **** situation.

I’ve watched wood a lot....he is an exciting player. My concerns with him (regardless of a Hayward trade for him) is he’s a very vocal guy, every dunk he yells, every 3 his hands up in the air and vocal isn’t a bad thing at all I’m just worried if he would be ok being behind tatum, brown, kemba, in the totem pole.

Just don’t know if he’s a guy who think he’s much better than he is and will take “my turn” shots. Now he’s an incredibly hard worker and he can hit the 3 and block shots and is athletic so on paper he seems like a perfect type of center

[SmartWentCrazy]

You guys really all about holding a losing asset for 3 years and then selling the bottom.

No. But im not about letting an asset expire worthless when I can get a few bucks for it. Our future with Hayward isnt extending beyond next year. Better to get something than nothing IMO. Using a TPE to S&T for Christian Wood is a great counter to a **** situation.

I’ve watched wood a lot....he is an exciting player. My concerns with him (regardless of a Hayward trade for him) is he’s a very vocal guy, every dunk he yells, every 3 his hands up in the air and vocal isn’t a bad thing at all I’m just worried if he would be ok being behind tatum, brown, kemba, in the totem pole.

Just don’t know if he’s a guy who think he’s much better than he is and will take “my turn” shots. Now he’s an incredibly hard worker and he can hit the 3 and block shots and is athletic so on paper he seems like a perfect type of center

Alternatively, I wonder if he’d be sold on being part of the ‘core’ of a winning team.

He does make me worry he has some Whiteside in him, but he’s also fought tooth and nail to climb out of the hole he dug. He’s our best option long term at C if were looking for someone big enough to deal with Bam and stretchy enough to fit on offense.

[GoCeltics123]

Take this FWIW but this is from the Hawks board, apparently this guy on their board is considered an insider too (I'm not going to dox his name, you can look on the board for the name if you want):

I was fed a bit of info on the Boston thing and I just verified I'm okay to share it. Boston has been very quiet in the background gauging interest in their picks. They could even trade 2 of their picks for an unprotected (or top 3 protected) future pick. Boston would love to be rid of Hayward at this point and would give away a pick to drop Hayward and bring back a lower priced / better fit replacement.

On the Zach Lowe report from earlier this week:

6 days ago - Zach Lowe dropped this. This was one of those "gauging public reaction" leaks by Boston. This is what got me asking the right questions.

They've been offering one of their lower firsts for someone to take Hayward and have contacted no less than 6 teams. They are looking for a SG/SF, SF/PF that is a 3 and D type. I was told they'd move 14 or even more for the right lower priced player in return.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Take this FWIW but this is from the Hawks board, apparently this guy on their board is considered an insider too (I'm not going to dox his name, you can look on the board for the name if you want):

I was fed a bit of info on the Boston thing and I just verified I'm okay to share it. Boston has been very quiet in the background gauging interest in their picks. They could even trade 2 of their picks for an unprotected (or top 3 protected) future pick. Boston would love to be rid of Hayward at this point and would give away a pick to drop Hayward and bring back a lower priced / better fit replacement.

On the Zach Lowe report from earlier this week:

6 days ago - Zach Lowe dropped this. This was one of those "gauging public reaction" leaks by Boston. This is what got me asking the right questions.

They've been offering one of their lower firsts for someone to take Hayward and have contacted no less than 6 teams. They are looking for a SG/SF, SF/PF that is a 3 and D type. I was told they'd move 14 or even more for the right lower priced player in return.

Intuitively, this makes sense. After seeing how the roster reacted last time we inserted Hayward onto an ECF team, I dont see how we could repeat the same action.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Plus, not for nothing, theres the elephant in the room about Haywards past political donations that I cant imagine rub people the right way. I wont steer the conversation into politics, but yah, this stuff matters.

[Parliament10]

Take this FWIW but this is from the Hawks board, apparently this guy on their board is considered an insider too (I'm not going to dox his name, you can look on the board for the name if you want):

I was fed a bit of info on the Boston thing and I just verified I'm okay to share it. Boston has been very quiet in the background gauging interest in their picks. They could even trade 2 of their picks for an unprotected (or top 3 protected) future pick. Boston would love to be rid of Hayward at this point and would give away a pick to drop Hayward and bring back a lower priced / better fit replacement.

On the Zach Lowe report from earlier this week:

6 days ago - Zach Lowe dropped this. This was one of those "gauging public reaction" leaks by Boston. This is what got me asking the right questions.

They've been offering one of their lower firsts for someone to take Hayward and have contacted no less than 6 teams. They are looking for a SG/SF, SF/PF that is a 3 and D type. I was told they'd move 14 or even more for the right lower priced player in return.

Next time put the link to the post, so we can find it.

[JHTruth]

Plus, not for nothing, theres the elephant in the room about Haywards past political donations that I cant imagine rub people the right way. I wont steer the conversation into politics, but yah, this stuff matters.

If they move Hayward due to that shame on them. We have every right to our political opinions.

Move Hayward for basketball and financial reasons, never political ones..