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2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#1161 » by ophdog » Tue Nov 3, 2020 5:46 pm

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ophdog wrote:I need a blue wave tonight to have any faith in humanity

I understand how you feel. Most of us are not horrified by the politics, but by the greater issues of damaging our nation's strength internationally, domestically, using a deadly pandemic to curry votes, and the constant lying and abuse of others. These issues won't be solved even if there is Democratic landslide tonight.

Back in the day when the Right legitimately argued to persuade others to agree with their plans, I found myself really listening and sometimes agreeing. Now, the very nature of the White House - dissing professionals and scientists, quashing dissent by humiliating people who have served our nation with distinguished careers, peddling lies during "press conferences" and attacking those who merely do their jobs of asking questions ... these are the things that hurt our strenght and credibility as a nation.

Encouraging supporters to physically attack others - as in the kidnapping plans against Governor Gretchen Whitmer, those Trump caravans that threatened Biden's bus, or blocked roadways in other states, sending in the feds when it only exacerbated local issues -- these are all third world tactics. Continuing to allow them in this country will ruin the future for all of us, politics be damned.


Absolutely I do not think a democratic landslide solves the issues but it does signal to me that at least there are enough Americans with a conscience, morals, and integrity that we can at least begin to start making strides toward heeling and steer away from an authoritarian government that is fueled by nationalism and hate
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Post#1162 » by ophdog » Tue Nov 3, 2020 5:53 pm

This election opened my eyes to the people around me. I am a 40 yr old white guy from Long Island. Luckily my family is all in one with my thinking but truthfully this whole thing has led me to isolate from almost all my friends around here. My demographic has been so disappointing to me and I got to see people for who they are.

Like it or not this election for me is the first that support for one candidate truly affects my views on someone character.
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Post#1163 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Nov 3, 2020 5:56 pm

ophdog wrote:This election opened my eyes to the people around me. I am a 40 yr old white guy from Long Island. Luckily my family is all in one with my thinking but truthfully this whole thing has led me to isolate from almost all my friends around here. My demographic has been so disappointing to me and I got to see people for who they are.

Like it or not this election for me is the first that support for one candidate truly affects my views on someone character.


It has been brutal. I still talk to Trump supporters, but I definitely feel no connection to them any longer. They are now merely acquaintances, people I may talk to in the course of my daily activities. But I don't feel there is any viable space between us to strike up a friendship in the future. Their values pave the road to hell. I don't wish them harm, even the Nazis, but I do not want them at the steering wheel ever again.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#1164 » by ophdog » Tue Nov 3, 2020 6:00 pm

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ophdog wrote:This election opened my eyes to the people around me. I am a 40 yr old white guy from Long Island. Luckily my family is all in one with my thinking but truthfully this whole thing has led me to isolate from almost all my friends around here. My demographic has been so disappointing to me and I got to see people for who they are.

Like it or not this election for me is the first that support for one candidate truly affects my views on someone character.


It has been brutal. I still talk to Trump supporters, but I definitely feel no connection to them any longer. They are now merely acquaintances, people I may talk to in the course of my daily activities. But I don't feel there is any viable space between us to strike up a friendship in the future. Their values pave the road to hell.


Yeah unfortunately every parent of my kids friends has Trump signs in front of their house. You can feel the tension when I do not show my support for him. I am already looking to move as New York and specifically Suffolk north shore Long Island has turned into a hot zone for ignorant thinking and I have had too many scary situations already.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#1165 » by Pointgod » Tue Nov 3, 2020 6:00 pm

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ophdog wrote:I need a blue wave tonight to have any faith in humanity

I understand how you feel. Most of us are not horrified by the politics, but by the greater issues of damaging our nation's strength internationally, domestically, using a deadly pandemic to curry votes, and the constant lying and abuse of others. These issues won't be solved even if there is Democratic landslide tonight.

Back in the day when the Right legitimately argued to persuade others to agree with their plans, I found myself really listening and sometimes agreeing. Now, the very nature of the White House - dissing professionals and scientists, quashing dissent by humiliating people who have served our nation with distinguished careers, peddling lies during "press conferences" and attacking those who merely do their jobs of asking questions ... these are the things that hurt our strenght and credibility as a nation.

Encouraging supporters to physically attack others - as in the kidnapping plans against Governor Gretchen Whitmer, those Trump caravans that threatened Biden's bus, or blocked roadways in other states, sending in the feds when it only exacerbated local issues -- these are all third world tactics. Continuing to allow them in this country will ruin the future for all of us, politics be damned.


If anyone is curious to what a third world Dictator looks like, it’s Donald Trump. Verbally attacking anyone who doesn’t worship and kiss his ass, encouraging his supporters to commit acts of violence, claiming that everyone else is engaging in fraud and the biggest thing that know one is acknowledging he’s trying to use the legal system to throw out votes against him, purposely slowing down mail delivery. Typically Dictators will just throw out ballots and commit blatant election fraud Trump has just done it out in the open but in a way that looks like it’s within the “system”. The guy is blatantly and openly corrupt. 4 more years and America is ****
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#1166 » by BallSacBounce » Tue Nov 3, 2020 6:02 pm

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You're discounting the early mail-in voter for the very reason so they don't have to worry about getting sick while voting in person.

Those numbers are all-inclusive. Vote By Mail and Early Voting.


I don't know who will win, but you are wrong in your statement. For example, Trump won Wisconsin 2016, he is trailing in 2020.

The point is in 2016 going into Election Day he was behind Clinton by 9.6 points and still won. In 2020 its 5.9 points. He is in better shape in those states from where he was in 2016 when he won them. It's looking great for DJT.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#1167 » by BKlutch » Tue Nov 3, 2020 6:03 pm

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ophdog wrote:This election opened my eyes to the people around me. I am a 40 yr old white guy from Long Island. Luckily my family is all in one with my thinking but truthfully this whole thing has led me to isolate from almost all my friends around here. My demographic has been so disappointing to me and I got to see people for who they are.

Like it or not this election for me is the first that support for one candidate truly affects my views on someone character.


It has been brutal. I still talk to Trump supporters, but I definitely feel no connection to them any longer. They are now merely acquaintances, people I may talk to in the course of my daily activities. But I don't feel there is any viable space between us to strike up a friendship in the future. Their values pave the road to hell. I don't wish them harm, even the Nazis, but I do not want them at the steering wheel ever again.

I have a cousin who will not believe any evidence from any source if it shows something Trump did that was wrong. Although she has relatives who were abused by men, she will not even believe that the Access Hollywood tape is legitimate. She accuses us of being nasty if we show her articles from the NY Times, WSJ, NPR, or even the Associated Press or Reuters. And forget about foreign news sources.

It is not possible to have a discussion with such a person. Even though the family has tried to engage her, she lashes out at us saying we have motives if we don't agree with her. Clearly, most of the family doesn't feel that we will be able to relate well to her in the future. This kind of instransigence in insisting that anything Trump does is right seems like a mental illness to most of us. But I suppose she is beyond reach, and as a middle aged adult, she has the right to believe what she wants. This kind of thing never before separated family members who disagreed on politics. Jim Jones comes to mind.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#1168 » by BKlutch » Tue Nov 3, 2020 6:07 pm

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BKlutch wrote:
ophdog wrote:I need a blue wave tonight to have any faith in humanity

I understand how you feel. Most of us are not horrified by the politics, but by the greater issues of damaging our nation's strength internationally, domestically, using a deadly pandemic to curry votes, and the constant lying and abuse of others. These issues won't be solved even if there is Democratic landslide tonight.

Back in the day when the Right legitimately argued to persuade others to agree with their plans, I found myself really listening and sometimes agreeing. Now, the very nature of the White House - dissing professionals and scientists, quashing dissent by humiliating people who have served our nation with distinguished careers, peddling lies during "press conferences" and attacking those who merely do their jobs of asking questions ... these are the things that hurt our strenght and credibility as a nation.

Encouraging supporters to physically attack others - as in the kidnapping plans against Governor Gretchen Whitmer, those Trump caravans that threatened Biden's bus, or blocked roadways in other states, sending in the feds when it only exacerbated local issues -- these are all third world tactics. Continuing to allow them in this country will ruin the future for all of us, politics be damned.


If anyone is curious to what a third world Dictator looks like, it’s Donald Trump. Verbally attacking anyone who doesn’t worship and kiss his ass, encouraging his supporters to commit acts of violence, claiming that everyone else is engaging in fraud and the biggest thing that know one is acknowledging he’s trying to use the legal system to throw out votes against him, purposely slowing down mail delivery. Typically Dictators will just throw out ballots and commit blatant election fraud Trump has just done it out in the open but in a way that looks like it’s within the “system”. The guy is blatantly and openly corrupt. 4 more years and America is ****

I believe I'm in a majority of Americans who agrees with this. I think of Nazi Germany, and how many previously ordinary Germans came to accept their hateful propaganda. I believe this is a failing in human nature that causes many of us to virtually worship "strong" leaders, no matter how corrupt, hateful, or destructive they are to us.

I wonder if most of us have this within us to some degree, or are the "hard core" 35% innately different than the rest of us?
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#1169 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Nov 3, 2020 6:09 pm

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VirginiaKnickFan wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:Those numbers are all-inclusive. Vote By Mail and Early Voting.


I don't know who will win, but you are wrong in your statement. For example, Trump won Wisconsin 2016, he is trailing in 2020.

The point is in 2016 going into Election Day he was behind Clinton by 9.6 points and still won. In 2020 its 5.9 points. He is in better shape in those states from where he was in 2016 when he won them. It's looking great for DJT.


You are the least confident MAGA imaginable. If you had that much faith in Trump winning you wouldn't repeatedly be beating your chest like a fool. You'd be chilling and waiting for the results. All you're showing everyone here is how panicked you are.
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Post#1170 » by Jkam31 » Tue Nov 3, 2020 6:11 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:One of the social rules most of us grew up with is you shouldn't call someone an ethnic or racial slur, but that person has the power to use it themselves. The classic example of course is that a black person can say the N word and a lot of black folks do call each other that, but if you're not black you need to keep your mouth shut.

In that spirit, I'm in the mood to say something about white American males since I happen to be one of them. For some reason, it seems the majority of white males are giant wimps. They need guns to feel strong. They need boogeymen to feel unified. They need to play the victim card because they fear being marginalized by a growing non-white population when the truth is the only thing that marginalizes them is their giant sense of inadequacy, their lack of self-esteem and abject fear of failure.

These are not real men. They are babies and cowards. A good percentage of white American males are pathetic excuses of manhood. They strut and posture and threaten those they don't feel belong in their mentally stunted tribe.

I understand if a black person wants to revel in their blackness. I really have no issue with it. I grew up reveling in black music and to me it was nothing but good. But it freaks the hell out of a lot of white American males. Personally, I feel nothing to revel in about being caucasian. I want power to be spread among the races because it is just. Nobody needs to guilt trip me or tell me I'm the enemy of progress if I don't agree with burning everything down. But I am definitely not the enemy of non-white people.

I do feel, however, too many whites are the enemy, my enemy, your enemy, because their minds are diseased with the inferiority that manifests as their embrace of their vile notions of racial superiority. A secure and righteous human being doesn't need to hide behind racial identification to assert their rights, but these cowards do. The only reason BLM has to exist is because white people target black people. If we had real equality it wouldn't be necessary. But it is because of what white men do.

Trumpism is a disease of white people, the majority of whom are male. They are not kind or wise and very few of them will learn the error of their ways.

I cannot say I'm ashamed of white American men who support Trump, because I didn't have any racial allegiance to whiteness to begin with. I just DGAF about them and their feelings of white tribalism and never have. So I never expected anything of this kind of person and thus they cannot disappoint me. I just didn't know how many of them there were in this country. I've been ashamed of America, but I'm not ashamed of being white myself. This is just the package that I arrived in.

I simply don't respect half of the white men in this country and probably never will. They are mendacious and need to be stopped before they bring back the lynch mobs and the pogroms. They are a disgrace. Anyone who votes for Trump now is to be considered a zealot and a racist. They are not capable of shame so I do not care now about saying what I have said.


The N word **** is literally the dumbest **** I’ve ever heard. If you don’t want any other race to use it than don’t use it and put it in songs and glorify it, do you hear homosexuals referring to themselves as Fags? We just chose when to feel offended by the N word I guarantee if you use the N word than you let your friends do it too. 99% of people that say the N word do even use it in a bad way and has literally become a way to talk cause of rap music and is African Americans using it as well.

But than again you’re on here saying you hate white people you need as much help as the racist people you hate, you have too much hate in your heart.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#1171 » by Knick4Real » Tue Nov 3, 2020 6:16 pm

I'm watching Trump on TV right now at the RNC headquarters -- and he is looking VERY dejected. Almost as if he knows it's over!
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#1172 » by robillionaire » Tue Nov 3, 2020 6:18 pm

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Clyde_Style wrote:
ophdog wrote:This election opened my eyes to the people around me. I am a 40 yr old white guy from Long Island. Luckily my family is all in one with my thinking but truthfully this whole thing has led me to isolate from almost all my friends around here. My demographic has been so disappointing to me and I got to see people for who they are.

Like it or not this election for me is the first that support for one candidate truly affects my views on someone character.


It has been brutal. I still talk to Trump supporters, but I definitely feel no connection to them any longer. They are now merely acquaintances, people I may talk to in the course of my daily activities. But I don't feel there is any viable space between us to strike up a friendship in the future. Their values pave the road to hell.


Yeah unfortunately every parent of my kids friends has Trump signs in front of their house. You can feel the tension when I do not show my support for him. I am already looking to move as New York and specifically Suffolk north shore Long Island has turned into a hot zone for ignorant thinking and I have had too many scary situations already.


Move to a swing state
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#1173 » by E-Balla » Tue Nov 3, 2020 6:22 pm

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No one has said that Trump has no chance. If that was the case you wouldn’t have record early voting numbers and projected record votes. There’s also a possibility that Trump also wins legitimately by turning out a record number of his voters. The thing working against him is that there’s already been 100 million early votes cast, dominated by Democrats and Independents, there not even taking into consideration who they voted for. The cap on the total votes seems to be 150 million so that means that Trump would have to get pretty high share of the in day votes, most likely over 60% or even higher. Trump is not some magicians and sometimes the numbers just speak for themselves, you can’t out will math.

And sure Republicans will try to cheat to steal the election but in reality they can only do that if it’s close. Hope for a blow out.

Nah this is BS. First off there's battleground states where it'll be close 100% anyway. Places like GA, TX, FL, NC. The idea of it needing to be close is forgetting no matter what the battleground states are barely leaning Biden. He's outside of a 3% margin of error (unlike Hillary) but not a blowout margin of error. Secondly Trump has openly said he's calling the election before all votes are counted and we know a lot of states count mail in ballots last so those won't be tallied forever. With 50% of Democratic voters nationwide voting in person vs 75% of Republican voters Trump will probably lead the vote totals for most of the night.

When Trump calls GA with a 48-47 lead with 20% of precincts reported and Kemp (who stole his own office) decides to give the GA electoral vote to Trump you'll see.

Blowing him out doesn't matter and neither do those early votes. Only 35 million of those early votes were made in person, the rest are mail in and we have so much proof of Republicans flat out pretending they don't matter. Van Jones basically broke down his path to win perfectly and he seems to be the only person in mainstream media taking this seriously:



Stop doing the typical Democrat freak out over this. Look if you’re that confident Trump is going to steal the election then go place a bet on it. I repeat only Secretaries of State can call elections. Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arizona, North Carolina, Michigan all have Democratic Secretaries of State. Sure Florida, Texas, Georgia could call it early but Trump won those last time so it really doesn’t matter and they would get a flood of law suits that they will lose and would actually prevent them from certifying the votes. Remember you can’t win the election until you’re at 270 or over. He literally has to win 3 of the 5 states I mentioned above to win the Presidency. Your doomsday scenario only comes into play if let’s say everything hinges on Florida, Texas or Georgia. Nothing you’re posting is realistic

Typical? Bro they stole the election in 2000 and Democrats did nothing about it there's nothing typical about actually caring about Republicans stealing elections.

Out of all those states you named with Dem secretaries of state all he needs is North Carolina and Arizona which he's already close enough to win (iirc 538 gives him a 40% chance to win NC and 30% to win Zona). With NC and AZ he can get to 270. That's not some far out possibility.

And who cares about a flood of lawsuits when you control the courts? Did Shelby v Holder not just happen 7 years ago? Gore v Bush 20 years ago? Is my governor Kemp or Abrams? All he needs is Arizona and NC. Texas, Ohio, GA, FL are already in the bag.
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Post#1174 » by Clyde_Style » Tue Nov 3, 2020 6:23 pm

Jkam31 wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:One of the social rules most of us grew up with is you shouldn't call someone an ethnic or racial slur, but that person has the power to use it themselves. The classic example of course is that a black person can say the N word and a lot of black folks do call each other that, but if you're not black you need to keep your mouth shut.

In that spirit, I'm in the mood to say something about white American males since I happen to be one of them. For some reason, it seems the majority of white males are giant wimps. They need guns to feel strong. They need boogeymen to feel unified. They need to play the victim card because they fear being marginalized by a growing non-white population when the truth is the only thing that marginalizes them is their giant sense of inadequacy, their lack of self-esteem and abject fear of failure.

These are not real men. They are babies and cowards. A good percentage of white American males are pathetic excuses of manhood. They strut and posture and threaten those they don't feel belong in their mentally stunted tribe.

I understand if a black person wants to revel in their blackness. I really have no issue with it. I grew up reveling in black music and to me it was nothing but good. But it freaks the hell out of a lot of white American males. Personally, I feel nothing to revel in about being caucasian. I want power to be spread among the races because it is just. Nobody needs to guilt trip me or tell me I'm the enemy of progress if I don't agree with burning everything down. But I am definitely not the enemy of non-white people.

I do feel, however, too many whites are the enemy, my enemy, your enemy, because their minds are diseased with the inferiority that manifests as their embrace of their vile notions of racial superiority. A secure and righteous human being doesn't need to hide behind racial identification to assert their rights, but these cowards do. The only reason BLM has to exist is because white people target black people. If we had real equality it wouldn't be necessary. But it is because of what white men do.

Trumpism is a disease of white people, the majority of whom are male. They are not kind or wise and very few of them will learn the error of their ways.

I cannot say I'm ashamed of white American men who support Trump, because I didn't have any racial allegiance to whiteness to begin with. I just DGAF about them and their feelings of white tribalism and never have. So I never expected anything of this kind of person and thus they cannot disappoint me. I just didn't know how many of them there were in this country. I've been ashamed of America, but I'm not ashamed of being white myself. This is just the package that I arrived in.

I simply don't respect half of the white men in this country and probably never will. They are mendacious and need to be stopped before they bring back the lynch mobs and the pogroms. They are a disgrace. Anyone who votes for Trump now is to be considered a zealot and a racist. They are not capable of shame so I do not care now about saying what I have said.


The N word **** is literally the dumbest **** I’ve ever heard. If you don’t want any other race to use it than don’t use it and put it in songs and glorify it, do you hear homosexuals referring to themselves as Fags? We just chose when to feel offended by the N word I guarantee if you use the N word than you let your friends do it too. 99% of people that say the N word do even use it in a bad way and has literally become a way to talk cause of rap music and is African Americans using it as well.

But than again you’re on here saying you hate white people you need as much help as the racist people you hate, you have too much hate in your heart.


If that is what you got out of it then you're not comprehending.

I don't hate people who have white skin, but I do not trust white people who use their skin color as the basis of their political agenda.

I very clearly said I was born white and that's out of my control. I don't hate myself because of it anymore than I hate someone else for being born black or white.

I wanted to say something as a white male about other white males who support Trump and racism. And nothing I said has to do with hating them because they are white. I said I find the ones who posture as white victims are pathetic.

And it could be close to half the white men or even more support Trump and that is pathetic too. So, yeah, as a white male, I'm saying close to half of American white males are racists and they suck. That you think that means I'm full of self loathing about being white means you didn't understand what I wrote.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#1175 » by Knick4Real » Tue Nov 3, 2020 6:30 pm

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ophdog wrote:This election opened my eyes to the people around me. I am a 40 yr old white guy from Long Island. Luckily my family is all in one with my thinking but truthfully this whole thing has led me to isolate from almost all my friends around here. My demographic has been so disappointing to me and I got to see people for who they are.

Like it or not this election for me is the first that support for one candidate truly affects my views on someone character.


It has been brutal. I still talk to Trump supporters, but I definitely feel no connection to them any longer. They are now merely acquaintances, people I may talk to in the course of my daily activities. But I don't feel there is any viable space between us to strike up a friendship in the future. Their values pave the road to hell. I don't wish them harm, even the Nazis, but I do not want them at the steering wheel ever again.

I have a cousin who will not believe any evidence from any source if it shows something Trump did that was wrong. Although she has relatives who were abused by men, she will not even believe that the Access Hollywood tape is legitimate. She accuses us of being nasty if we show her articles from the NY Times, WSJ, NPR, or even the Associated Press or Reuters. And forget about foreign news sources.

It is not possible to have a discussion with such a person. Even though the family has tried to engage her, she lashes out at us saying we have motives if we don't agree with her. Clearly, most of the family doesn't feel that we will be able to relate well to her in the future. This kind of instransigence in insisting that anything Trump does is right seems like a mental illness to most of us. But I suppose she is beyond reach, and as a middle aged adult, she has the right to believe what she wants. This kind of thing never before separated family members who disagreed on politics. Jim Jones comes to mind.


Interesting take!

We like to think of our family and friends as smart and sharp-minded. So, when we see them get so easily sucked in by an obvious con it's a great shock to those of us who know better.

The sad truth is that for as high as we think of our loved ones, many of them wouldn't recognize the "Anti-Christ" or a "Jim Jones" type if he was staring them right in the face. Regrettably, most people are deeply uninformed while simultaneously easily fooled.
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It has been brutal. I still talk to Trump supporters, but I definitely feel no connection to them any longer. They are now merely acquaintances, people I may talk to in the course of my daily activities. But I don't feel there is any viable space between us to strike up a friendship in the future. Their values pave the road to hell. I don't wish them harm, even the Nazis, but I do not want them at the steering wheel ever again.

I have a cousin who will not believe any evidence from any source if it shows something Trump did that was wrong. Although she has relatives who were abused by men, she will not even believe that the Access Hollywood tape is legitimate. She accuses us of being nasty if we show her articles from the NY Times, WSJ, NPR, or even the Associated Press or Reuters. And forget about foreign news sources.

It is not possible to have a discussion with such a person. Even though the family has tried to engage her, she lashes out at us saying we have motives if we don't agree with her. Clearly, most of the family doesn't feel that we will be able to relate well to her in the future. This kind of instransigence in insisting that anything Trump does is right seems like a mental illness to most of us. But I suppose she is beyond reach, and as a middle aged adult, she has the right to believe what she wants. This kind of thing never before separated family members who disagreed on politics. Jim Jones comes to mind.


Interesting take!

We like to think of our family and friends as smart and sharp-minded. So, when we see them get so easily sucked in by an obvious con it's a great shock to those of us who know better.

The sad truth is that for as high as we think of our loved ones, many of them wouldn't recognize the "Anti-Christ" or a "Jim Jones" type if he was staring them right in the face. Regrettably, most people are deeply uninformed while simultaneously easily fooled.

There's a name for this, it's called the third person effect

Basically, the closer a person is to you, the less you believe media affects them

So, most people believe that "media" affects the population as a whole greatly, but not so much in their friend group or family. For really close family members, people think media affects them very little, and everybody thinks they're immune or nearly immune to media effects themselves

It's a similar concept, and quite interesting. Really yet another thing that illustrates the need for education and self-awareness in the general population.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#1177 » by rammagen » Tue Nov 3, 2020 6:44 pm

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BallSacBounce wrote:The Higher Wages of Growth
Before the pandemic, income growth soared and poverty fell to the lowest rate since 1959.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-higher-wages-of-growth-11600298577

In case you missed it, and most of the media did, the Census Bureau reported Tuesday that the median household income in 2019 grew a whopping 6.8%—the largest annual increase on record. While this year’s government-ordered lockdowns will erase these gains in the short term at least, it’s still worth highlighting how lower-income workers and minorities benefited from faster growth and a tighter labor market before the pandemic.


MAGAnomics: Manufacturing Orders Jump Highest in 17 Years – 3.4 Percent Higher Than Pre-Pandemic Levels…

The ISM manufacturing survey was released today showing exceptional economic news on the manufacturing front. New orders for manufactured goods jumped to their highest level in 17 years and were 3.4 percent higher than pre-pandemic levels. That data matches our earlier ground reports from across the nation.


Don't let Biden and the Circle Jerkers...

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do another lockdown ruining the economy and taking your jobs away. BTW is that a campaign rally or some bizarre UFO cult? It would explain a lot.

Instead choose this...life, prosperity, happiness...

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Vote Trump! Vote Jobs and Prosperity over masks, misery and depressing lockdowns.

This is America baby!
We don't hide in basements.


Dude...why are you making fun of our president and the bunker


F trump seriously trying to take credit from the everyone recovering from the recession. try pew research and get the whole story correct Ballsac eveytime someone quotes you and I am forced to see it throw up a little
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2020/01/09/trends-in-income-and-wealth-inequality/
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#1178 » by rammagen » Tue Nov 3, 2020 6:47 pm

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ophdog wrote:This election opened my eyes to the people around me. I am a 40 yr old white guy from Long Island. Luckily my family is all in one with my thinking but truthfully this whole thing has led me to isolate from almost all my friends around here. My demographic has been so disappointing to me and I got to see people for who they are.

Like it or not this election for me is the first that support for one candidate truly affects my views on someone character.


It has been brutal. I still talk to Trump supporters, but I definitely feel no connection to them any longer. They are now merely acquaintances, people I may talk to in the course of my daily activities. But I don't feel there is any viable space between us to strike up a friendship in the future. Their values pave the road to hell. I don't wish them harm, even the Nazis, but I do not want them at the steering wheel ever again.

I have cut off people who think Tucker tells the truth, I have also had friends from the Army that wont speak with me because I called it out 3 yrs ago about the hate the deficit and the un-needed trade wars. I hate being right at the cost of friends but then you need to ask yourself are they really friends if they wont listen to reason look at the basic facts and respect your point of view rather they believe lies and qanon crap.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#1179 » by ophdog » Tue Nov 3, 2020 6:48 pm

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ophdog wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
It has been brutal. I still talk to Trump supporters, but I definitely feel no connection to them any longer. They are now merely acquaintances, people I may talk to in the course of my daily activities. But I don't feel there is any viable space between us to strike up a friendship in the future. Their values pave the road to hell.


Yeah unfortunately every parent of my kids friends has Trump signs in front of their house. You can feel the tension when I do not show my support for him. I am already looking to move as New York and specifically Suffolk north shore Long Island has turned into a hot zone for ignorant thinking and I have had too many scary situations already.


Move to a swing state


Most likely buying a house in Vermont!
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election Thread: The Homestretch... Still 

Post#1180 » by DOT » Tue Nov 3, 2020 6:54 pm

My prediction:


Spoiler:
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