2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

[Little Digger]

But I love his personality and his story..so if he’s a warrior, I’m ok with it

Edwards dude would go 2 games without even going for a rebound..it’s not surprising at all that he’s never been on a winning team in his hoops life

[Coxy]

Anyone else think Jalen Smith is going to be a late lotto steal? He has some Marcus Camby going for him.

[The-Power]

Klay Thompson 1.1 steals and .06 blocks per game. That’s in 34 minutes to Okoro’s 31.

Okay, but what's your point? Klay is a good on-ball defender but he sure isn't disruptive. I even noted explicitly that I do believe Okoro is a good defender especially on the ball, so you seem to be needlessly shifting goal posts just for the sake of arguing.

Not to mention that it's much, much more difficult to record steals and blocks in the NBA because players and offenses are much better, so comparing NBA stats to college stats doesn't make a lot of sense.

Fun fact: Klay Thompson in his final college year had 4.4 STOCKS per 100 (to Okoro's 3.3). And Klay is not a disruptive defender in the NBA, he was not an elite athlete, and he was not considered a great defensive prospect coming out of college.

My point is Okoro is a good defender. And I don’t care about your dumb stat. Thought I was pretty clear.

I really feel like you're being deliberately dense here. First, if you don't care, why did you comment on it multiple times? Second, and most importantly, I explicitly mentioned multiple times that he's a good defender. So your point is clear, but also completely off-topic as regards my comment. Do you realize that it's not contested by anyone in this thread? No point in getting your panties in a bunch.

My comment was about being disruptive, as most (potentially) elite defensive wings were especially in college. Your answer to this was:

I watched quite a few Okoro college games and he’s plenty disruptive. I really don’t care what some snot nosed nerdy analytics dude says who probably never bounced a basketball.

You can be good without being disruptive. So by now you've shifted goal posts just for the sake of continuing to be combative while not even being willing to have a conversation on the issue without getting emotional. Yeah, I don't need that, this conversation is now over for me.

[KJStark23]

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[Little Digger]

Edwards now -200 in Vegas to be the first pick

[ShayDee]

A good unbiased vid but he just fits like a glove and is super NBA ready

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[GQ Hot Dog]

Anyone else think Jalen Smith is going to be a late lotto steal? He has some Marcus Camby going for him.

For me, the Marcus Camby clone in this draft is Paul Reed, just an inch or two shorter. We might possibly be able to grab Reed in the 2nd too.

[GQ Hot Dog]

So in the last day or two, nbadraft and BR have released mocks showing Patrick Williams going to the Pistons at #7. He could end up top-5 in two weeks and we may have to use #2 to take him.

[vvoland]

Anyone else think Jalen Smith is going to be a late lotto steal? He has some Marcus Camby going for him.

For me, the Marcus Camby clone in this draft is Paul Reed, just an inch or two shorter. We might possibly be able to grab Reed in the 2nd too.

Camby was so underrated. He was so tall and long and was such a terrific defensive player. At his statistic peak, he was a walking double double and over 4 stocks (while actually protecting the rim, not just jumping for blocks). We're talking about a DPOY and consistent all-defensive team (when healthy).

Not sure anyone gets those type of numbers (or that type of defensive impact) in this draft outside of wiseman and maaybe okongu (stats, probably not the impact).

[ILOVEIT]

Okay, but what's your point? Klay is a good on-ball defender but he sure isn't disruptive. I even noted explicitly that I do believe Okoro is a good defender especially on the ball, so you seem to be needlessly shifting goal posts just for the sake of arguing.

Not to mention that it's much, much more difficult to record steals and blocks in the NBA because players and offenses are much better, so comparing NBA stats to college stats doesn't make a lot of sense.

Fun fact: Klay Thompson in his final college year had 4.4 STOCKS per 100 (to Okoro's 3.3). And Klay is not a disruptive defender in the NBA, he was not an elite athlete, and he was not considered a great defensive prospect coming out of college.

My point is Okoro is a good defender. And I don’t care about your dumb stat. Thought I was pretty clear.

I really feel like you're being deliberately dense here. First, if you don't care, why did you comment on it multiple times? Second, and most importantly, I explicitly mentioned multiple times that he's a good defender. So your point is clear, but also completely off-topic as regards my comment. Do you realize that it's not contested by anyone in this thread? No point in getting your panties in a bunch.

My comment was about being disruptive, as most (potentially) elite defensive wings were especially in college. Your answer to this was:

I watched quite a few Okoro college games and he’s plenty disruptive. I really don’t care what some snot nosed nerdy analytics dude says who probably never bounced a basketball.

You can be good without being disruptive. So by now you've shifted goal posts just for the sake of continuing to be combative while not even being willing to have a conversation on the issue without getting emotional. Yeah, I don't need that, this conversation is now over for me.

You know what I love about us Warriors fans....we are generally smart Where else on these forums will you read a post written so effectively above! (and I'm not joking....I appreciate folks that can put a sentence together...and we have a lot of those here)

[Coxy]

So in the last day or two, nbadraft and BR have released mocks showing Patrick Williams going to the Pistons at #7. He could end up top-5 in two weeks and we may have to use #2 to take him.

He's going to be a monster.

[Little Digger]

My BIG BOARD is stuck in the mud

1. OKoro
2. No idea

[HiRez]

So in the last day or two, nbadraft and BR have released mocks showing Patrick Williams going to the Pistons at #7. He could end up top-5 in two weeks and we may have to use #2 to take him.

He's going to be a monster.

I agree he will be "monstrous", but I don't see any way the Warriors pick him at #2, that would be a major shocker. Right now I'd just take Wiseman, but kind of half hoping Myers works some voodoo magic that ends up with 2 picks in the top 4-10 range and Williams would definitely be a tempting target there.

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The Ws and I could be drooling more for Deni Avdija in a trade down. He'll probably will develop faster than Wiseman, but he's got to improve his FT shooting, ball handling, using left hand, and defense. The Ringer doesn't think he'll be an All-Star, but he's not falling much in the draft. I think both the Hornets and Bulls are willing to trade up for Wiseman and LaMelo.

[Coxy]

So in the last day or two, nbadraft and BR have released mocks showing Patrick Williams going to the Pistons at #7. He could end up top-5 in two weeks and we may have to use #2 to take him.

He's going to be a monster.

I agree he will be "monstrous", but I don't see any way the Warriors pick him at #2, that would be a major shocker. Right now I'd just take Wiseman, but kind of half hoping Myers works some voodoo magic that ends up with 2 picks in the top 4-10 range and Williams would definitely be a tempting target there.

Yeah for sure take either Wiseman or Edwards, whoever is available to us. Hopefully Wiseman.

I think Williams looks more NBA ready than some analysts are reporting, especially on defense. This kid a real difference maker on both man defense and team/help defense. He looks like he reads things really well on defense, one of those guys that see's things happening before they do and gets himself in position to make key defensive plays because of it. I love guys like this, Iguodala was the ultimate example of guy that read what players and offences were doing and adjusted, P WIll is like this. This alone makes him NBA ready for mine.

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Along with that, he attacks the rim with conviction when given an opening, and he can put the ball on the floor. He's not the best shooter, but the form seems fine. He won't average 20ppg or anything, but he's going to be a jack of all trades that will be a HUGE impact plus for a playoff team.

He's only 18 right now as well, a massive amount of potential for this kid. He seems like a kid that the Spurs will nab and turn into a star, and it will annoy the pizz out of me. I see Gerald Wallace/Andre Iguodala/Jalen Brown in this kid.

[JSML]

Charlotte wants to trade up for Wiseman. I would do Warrior's # 2 for Charlotte's # 3, # 32, and the right to pick swap the Minneapolis pick with Charlotte's pick in 2021.

[Coxy]

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The Ws and I could be drooling more for Deni Avdija in a trade down. He'll probably will develop faster than Wiseman, but he's got to improve his FT shooting, ball handling, using left hand, and defense. The Ringer doesn't think he'll be an All-Star, but he's not falling much in the draft. I think both the Hornets and Bulls are willing to trade up for Wiseman and LaMelo.

I've cooled on Deni. I see more Mike Dunleavy Jnr than Luka Doncic in him.

[Coxy]

Charlotte wants to trade up for Wiseman. I would do Warrior's # 2 for Charlotte's # 3, # 32, and the right to pick swap the Minneapolis pick with Charlotte's pick in 2021.

There must be a player you think Myers and Kerr like that will be available at #3 then. If Edwards and Wiseman are gone, theoretically, they must have eyes for another to do this.

[HiRez]

Charlotte wants to trade up for Wiseman. I would do Warrior's # 2 for Charlotte's # 3, # 32, and the right to pick swap the Minneapolis pick with Charlotte's pick in 2021.

There must be a player you think Myers and Kerr like that will be available at #3 then. If Edwards and Wiseman are gone, theoretically, they must have eyes for another to do this.

Which creates a weird situation because if GS is willing to trade 1 spot down, it signals they're devaluing Wiseman and Edwards, which decreases their leverage to extract value in the deal from Charlotte. If they say let's do it, maybe Charlotte thinks they won't be choosing Wiseman anyway and can just pick him at 3 without giving up anything. And even moving up to #2, there's no guarantee you'll get him anyway since Minnesota could take him, or more likely, trade with someone who will. So I don't see this scenario as being very likely, Charlotte would be better off making a deal with Minnesota where they would be sure of getting the player they want.

[CaliWG]

Just heard an idea for a draft trade that was interesting. Basically the background is this: The Warriors aren't enamored with anyone at the top of the draft and they have huge holes on the roster in terms of talented depth, especially young talent. The Hawks want to make the playoffs next year, and they have tons of cap space so they really want a talented vet to help get them there. The Celtics don't want to pay Gordon Hayward and they desperately need a big (preferably young & affordable), and they have so many picks they can't actually fit them all on their roster. So here's the proposed trade:

Warriors receive: #6, #14, #26, #30
>Draft Haliburton or Vassell at #6 then see who drops to #14. Or use #26 and/or #30 to move up from #14 to grab Nesmith, Bey or Williams if you've identified a guy you really like in the 10-12 range. Then target either an immediate backup PG (Lewis, Flynn, Bane) or a raw higher ceiling prospect (McDaniels) with the later pick(s).

Celtics receive: #2 (Wiseman)

Hawks receive: Gordon Hayward