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Jamaaliver wrote:jayu70 wrote:
Some of this stuff should be ban worthy Jam!
Hey, I just provide content for you guys to discuss.
Me posting it does not make it an endorsement for or against...
jayu70 wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:jayu70 wrote:
Some of this stuff should be ban worthy Jam!
Hey, I just provide content for you guys to discuss.
Me posting it does not make it an endorsement for or against...
It would be useful if you post wether you are for or against to also further the discussion at the time of your initial posting.
kg01 wrote:jayu70 wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:
Hey, I just provide content for you guys to discuss.
Me posting it does not make it an endorsement for or against...
It would be useful if you post wether you are for or against to also further the discussion at the time of your initial posting.
Whaaaaat? You want 'mal to actually take a stance on something? Other than wanting the coach fired?
Not likely. 'Cause somebody would look up his old posts and phantom-like them out of the blue.
#neverforget 
kg01 wrote:Whaaaaat? You want 'mal to actually take a stance on something?
Not likely.
Jamaaliver wrote:kg01 wrote:Whaaaaat? You want 'mal to actually take a stance on something?
Not likely.
I share my opinions pretty often. They just aren't very popular...Spoiler:
NOTE: I am more than okay with you guys going through my past writings. Good or bad, right or wrong -- it's really instructive to see what we've ALL believed over the past few years. And how those opinions have changed.
If we are in the same body, then they must be loving life! 
I'm not generally opposed to the players. My thoughts:ShayDee wrote:Hey guys, kind of a newish(About 2 years) Half hawks half Trae(I believe in him even with his doubters) fan and with the rumor's about Hayward and Jrue being traded I came up with something that might help the Hawks.
PG Trae, Teague, Goodwin
SG Jrue, Huerter, E'Twaun Moore
SF Hayward, Cam, Bembry
PF John, Hunter, Skal
C Capela, Dedmond, Bruno
The roster seems really balanced with shooting, rim protection, scoring and defense. Might suck to lose the picks but this roster could contend for ECF maybe barring injuries and the bench core could be motivated to try and maybe earn starting spots
jayu70 wrote:I'm not generally opposed to the players. My thoughts:ShayDee wrote:Hey guys, kind of a newish(About 2 years) Half hawks half Trae(I believe in him even with his doubters) fan and with the rumor's about Hayward and Jrue being traded I came up with something that might help the Hawks.
PG Trae, Teague, Goodwin
SG Jrue, Huerter, E'Twaun Moore
SF Hayward, Cam, Bembry
PF John, Hunter, Skal
C Capela, Dedmond, Bruno
The roster seems really balanced with shooting, rim protection, scoring and defense. Might suck to lose the picks but this roster could contend for ECF maybe barring injuries and the bench core could be motivated to try and maybe earn starting spots
There is no reason for Atlanta to give up anything of value to execute a SnT for Hayward. We have enough capspace to sign him outright if he opts out. All Boston would get is a TPE in principle. I don't think the Hawks should sign Hayward to a 4 year/$25 mil deal considering his injury history. 2+1 TO is preferable.
Regarding Jrue, he is on a 1 year deal, he has a PO that I would prefer him to pick up for the #6 pick. If not, I'd prefer for NOP to include #13. Also note, I read Jrue is looking for $30 mil per on his next deal, meaning he will become a FA after next season, so the Hawks will have to be willing to pony up. Collins and Trae's upcoming extensions also need to be considered.
Having said all that, I don't know if the Hawks want to take themselves entirely out of next season FA bonanza and considering COVID relating cap issues, I don't think it's a move they make for both players. Maybe 1.
If he starts at $25 mil, the decline in each year has to be in 8% increments, so it'll be more like 25, 23, 21, 19. But again, if we are doing a SnT it means Hayward wants to be in Atlanta so there is no need to offer any incentive to Boston since we have capspace. If it's another team doing a SnT then it means Hayward want to be with that team and not Atlanta, Boston can't complete a SnT without him wanting to go to a specific team and giving his consent.ShayDee wrote:jayu70 wrote:I'm not generally opposed to the players. My thoughts:ShayDee wrote:Hey guys, kind of a newish(About 2 years) Half hawks half Trae(I believe in him even with his doubters) fan and with the rumor's about Hayward and Jrue being traded I came up with something that might help the Hawks.
PG Trae, Teague, Goodwin
SG Jrue, Huerter, E'Twaun Moore
SF Hayward, Cam, Bembry
PF John, Hunter, Skal
C Capela, Dedmond, Bruno
The roster seems really balanced with shooting, rim protection, scoring and defense. Might suck to lose the picks but this roster could contend for ECF maybe barring injuries and the bench core could be motivated to try and maybe earn starting spots
There is no reason for Atlanta to give up anything of value to execute a SnT for Hayward. We have enough capspace to sign him outright if he opts out. All Boston would get is a TPE in principle. I don't think the Hawks should sign Hayward to a 4 year/$25 mil deal considering his injury history. 2+1 TO is preferable.
Regarding Jrue, he is on a 1 year deal, he has a PO that I would prefer him to pick up for the #6 pick. If not, I'd prefer for NOP to include #13. Also note, I read Jrue is looking for $30 mil per on his next deal, meaning he will become a FA after next season, so the Hawks will have to be willing to pony up. Collins and Trae's upcoming extensions also need to be considered.
Having said all that, I don't know if the Hawks want to take themselves entirely out of next season FA bonanza and considering COVID relating cap issues, I don't think it's a move they make for both players. Maybe 1.
I just put random numbers for Hayward. I'm unsure what kind of deal the hawks would sign him for but the last year on the 4 year deal could be PO/Team option and the deal I proposed there is a declining 4 year 80 mil contract. So 1st year is 25mil and last year is 16 mil, right around the time for Cam and Hunters extensions. Also I like Hayward hear because he is kind of like a do it all SF, Can pass defend, hit open shots and he could be your teams Vet presence, along with Jrue.
The reason I proposed the trade deals with the 2 other teams is, I think Boston would sing and trade him to another team of his preferences if they offer something better in a trade. I think Hayward would help your team so much and the OKC pick would probably be the best asset BOS would get for him. The pick might also not convey(because OKC might tank in 2022) and the Hawks won't give any future picks.
For Jrue, a 1 year rental would be a good deal to kick start a winning mentality for the younger players on this team. His defensive effort and playmaking could also be huge to pair with Trae. I think that the 6th pick outright would be the best deal the Pelicans would get for Jrue and if you are offering a pick swap, then I think other teams like Denver/Nets maybe have a better package. The 6th pick also would not help the hawks much next year, because there are so many players on this roster that will get so many more minutes than the 6th pick. Now Jrue is 31 and might be a 1 year rental, But, If you get to the 2nd round of the playoffs, that's a huge Deal for the Hawks and the development of the young guys towards winning. If Jrue leaves, then Hawks become a prime FA destination because of the winning culture and potentially having 2 allstars on the roster. Although, if hawks Keep Collins, then the cap space might be gone for a max player, but if Collins is still here, it means that he has taken a leap from last year to a legit all star with above average defense and shot creation ability
But if Jrue wants to stay and every young guy makes a nice jump, then the Hawks would be dangerous in the 2022 season. 1 FA in 2021 could guarantee a Championship barring injuries
jayu70 wrote:If he starts at $25 mil, the decline in each year has to be in 8% increments, so it'll be more like 25, 23, 21, 19. But again, if we are doing a SnT it means Hayward wants to be in Atlanta so there is no need to offer any incentive to Boston since we have capspace. If it's another team doing a SnT then it means Hayward want to be with that team and not Atlanta, Boston can't complete a SnT without him wanting to go to a specific team and giving his consent.ShayDee wrote:jayu70 wrote: I'm not generally opposed to the players. My thoughts:
There is no reason for Atlanta to give up anything of value to execute a SnT for Hayward. We have enough capspace to sign him outright if he opts out. All Boston would get is a TPE in principle. I don't think the Hawks should sign Hayward to a 4 year/$25 mil deal considering his injury history. 2+1 TO is preferable.
Regarding Jrue, he is on a 1 year deal, he has a PO that I would prefer him to pick up for the #6 pick. If not, I'd prefer for NOP to include #13. Also note, I read Jrue is looking for $30 mil per on his next deal, meaning he will become a FA after next season, so the Hawks will have to be willing to pony up. Collins and Trae's upcoming extensions also need to be considered.
Having said all that, I don't know if the Hawks want to take themselves entirely out of next season FA bonanza and considering COVID relating cap issues, I don't think it's a move they make for both players. Maybe 1.
I just put random numbers for Hayward. I'm unsure what kind of deal the hawks would sign him for but the last year on the 4 year deal could be PO/Team option and the deal I proposed there is a declining 4 year 80 mil contract. So 1st year is 25mil and last year is 16 mil, right around the time for Cam and Hunters extensions. Also I like Hayward hear because he is kind of like a do it all SF, Can pass defend, hit open shots and he could be your teams Vet presence, along with Jrue.
The reason I proposed the trade deals with the 2 other teams is, I think Boston would sing and trade him to another team of his preferences if they offer something better in a trade. I think Hayward would help your team so much and the OKC pick would probably be the best asset BOS would get for him. The pick might also not convey(because OKC might tank in 2022) and the Hawks won't give any future picks.
For Jrue, a 1 year rental would be a good deal to kick start a winning mentality for the younger players on this team. His defensive effort and playmaking could also be huge to pair with Trae. I think that the 6th pick outright would be the best deal the Pelicans would get for Jrue and if you are offering a pick swap, then I think other teams like Denver/Nets maybe have a better package. The 6th pick also would not help the hawks much next year, because there are so many players on this roster that will get so many more minutes than the 6th pick. Now Jrue is 31 and might be a 1 year rental, But, If you get to the 2nd round of the playoffs, that's a huge Deal for the Hawks and the development of the young guys towards winning. If Jrue leaves, then Hawks become a prime FA destination because of the winning culture and potentially having 2 allstars on the roster. Although, if hawks Keep Collins, then the cap space might be gone for a max player, but if Collins is still here, it means that he has taken a leap from last year to a legit all star with above average defense and shot creation ability
But if Jrue wants to stay and every young guy makes a nice jump, then the Hawks would be dangerous in the 2022 season. 1 FA in 2021 could guarantee a Championship barring injuries
Jrue - I get the winning side, but if we don't and then he leaves we've just wasted an asset.
I just don't see Atlanta blowing ALL there capspace on 2 - 31 year olds.
ShayDee wrote:jayu70 wrote:If he starts at $25 mil, the decline in each year has to be in 8% increments, so it'll be more like 25, 23, 21, 19. But again, if we are doing a SnT it means Hayward wants to be in Atlanta so there is no need to offer any incentive to Boston since we have capspace. If it's another team doing a SnT then it means Hayward want to be with that team and not Atlanta, Boston can't complete a SnT without him wanting to go to a specific team and giving his consent.ShayDee wrote:
I just put random numbers for Hayward. I'm unsure what kind of deal the hawks would sign him for but the last year on the 4 year deal could be PO/Team option and the deal I proposed there is a declining 4 year 80 mil contract. So 1st year is 25mil and last year is 16 mil, right around the time for Cam and Hunters extensions. Also I like Hayward hear because he is kind of like a do it all SF, Can pass defend, hit open shots and he could be your teams Vet presence, along with Jrue.
The reason I proposed the trade deals with the 2 other teams is, I think Boston would sing and trade him to another team of his preferences if they offer something better in a trade. I think Hayward would help your team so much and the OKC pick would probably be the best asset BOS would get for him. The pick might also not convey(because OKC might tank in 2022) and the Hawks won't give any future picks.
For Jrue, a 1 year rental would be a good deal to kick start a winning mentality for the younger players on this team. His defensive effort and playmaking could also be huge to pair with Trae. I think that the 6th pick outright would be the best deal the Pelicans would get for Jrue and if you are offering a pick swap, then I think other teams like Denver/Nets maybe have a better package. The 6th pick also would not help the hawks much next year, because there are so many players on this roster that will get so many more minutes than the 6th pick. Now Jrue is 31 and might be a 1 year rental, But, If you get to the 2nd round of the playoffs, that's a huge Deal for the Hawks and the development of the young guys towards winning. If Jrue leaves, then Hawks become a prime FA destination because of the winning culture and potentially having 2 allstars on the roster. Although, if hawks Keep Collins, then the cap space might be gone for a max player, but if Collins is still here, it means that he has taken a leap from last year to a legit all star with above average defense and shot creation ability
But if Jrue wants to stay and every young guy makes a nice jump, then the Hawks would be dangerous in the 2022 season. 1 FA in 2021 could guarantee a Championship barring injuries
Jrue - I get the winning side, but if we don't and then he leaves we've just wasted an asset.
I just don't see Atlanta blowing ALL there capspace on 2 - 31 year olds.
Well even better that nothing of value goes to Boston. But if it's a sign and trade don't they have to get something as well? Also which bottom 4 EC team would be better than the Hawks? I can see MIL, BOS, MIA, BRK, PHI making the playoffs. Other teams like IND, ORL, TOR would be comparable to the hawks. But the new hawks roster I proposed seem to be on par with only TOR and better than the other 2 teams if everyone plays to their ability, or even better. And the team has a chance to beat a team like MIA, BOS and PHI in the playoffs
I mean Trae in the regular season always schooled PHI and MIA
jayu70 wrote:ShayDee wrote:jayu70 wrote:If he starts at $25 mil, the decline in each year has to be in 8% increments, so it'll be more like 25, 23, 21, 19. But again, if we are doing a SnT it means Hayward wants to be in Atlanta so there is no need to offer any incentive to Boston since we have capspace. If it's another team doing a SnT then it means Hayward want to be with that team and not Atlanta, Boston can't complete a SnT without him wanting to go to a specific team and giving his consent.
Jrue - I get the winning side, but if we don't and then he leaves we've just wasted an asset.
I just don't see Atlanta blowing ALL there capspace on 2 - 31 year olds.
Well even better that nothing of value goes to Boston. But if it's a sign and trade don't they have to get something as well? Also which bottom 4 EC team would be better than the Hawks? I can see MIL, BOS, MIA, BRK, PHI making the playoffs. Other teams like IND, ORL, TOR would be comparable to the hawks. But the new hawks roster I proposed seem to be on par with only TOR and better than the other 2 teams if everyone plays to their ability, or even better. And the team has a chance to beat a team like MIA, BOS and PHI in the playoffs
I mean Trae in the regular season always schooled PHI and MIA
A fake 2nd would suffice (protected 31-56 something like that) for the SnT where Boston receives a TPE. Like I said, I like the roster in general.
If Jrue picks up his option for 2021/22 and discusses an extension, I'm in.
ShayDee wrote:jayu70 wrote:ShayDee wrote:
Well even better that nothing of value goes to Boston. But if it's a sign and trade don't they have to get something as well? Also which bottom 4 EC team would be better than the Hawks? I can see MIL, BOS, MIA, BRK, PHI making the playoffs. Other teams like IND, ORL, TOR would be comparable to the hawks. But the new hawks roster I proposed seem to be on par with only TOR and better than the other 2 teams if everyone plays to their ability, or even better. And the team has a chance to beat a team like MIA, BOS and PHI in the playoffs
I mean Trae in the regular season always schooled PHI and MIA
A fake 2nd would suffice (protected 31-56 something like that) for the SnT where Boston receives a TPE. Like I said, I like the roster in general.
If Jrue picks up his option for 2021/22 and discusses an extension, I'm in.
So 6 straight up for rental of Jrue is overpay in your opinion? What if the pelicans offer one of the laker picks. And I think Hawks and Pelicans have some relationship since you guys already have dealt with each other(the Hunter trade up)
jayu70 wrote:ShayDee wrote:jayu70 wrote:A fake 2nd would suffice (protected 31-56 something like that) for the SnT where Boston receives a TPE. Like I said, I like the roster in general.
If Jrue picks up his option for 2021/22 and discusses an extension, I'm in.
So 6 straight up for rental of Jrue is overpay in your opinion? What if the pelicans offer one of the laker picks. And I think Hawks and Pelicans have some relationship since you guys already have dealt with each other(the Hunter trade up)
Jrue picks up his option and negotiates an extension - I'm in. If it he doesn't, I think we should be getting back their #13 as well.
NYG wrote:This obviously assumes Atlanta doesn't like what is on the board for them at 6...
Would they have any interest in a Culver + 17 for 6 deal? I'm just trying to think of a move that better fits their timeline than an expiring veteran.
jayu70 wrote:NYG wrote:This obviously assumes Atlanta doesn't like what is on the board for them at 6...
Would they have any interest in a Culver + 17 for 6 deal? I'm just trying to think of a move that better fits their timeline than an expiring veteran.
I'm not.
