2020 Draft

[Shoe]

Jared Jeffries has terrible hip bend. He also lacked adequate bowleggedness. Try again WD.

I agree, he couldn't maintain his hip bend for long durations, and very uncoordinated shooting elbow. But who is closest the Jeffries--9'2 standing reach... in this draft, that does have amazing hip bend, and coordinated elbow, and quick first step, great handles, and great motor? Maybe Obi? imagine having a perimeter player with a standing reach of 9'2. Completely shut down perimeter 3 point shot jacking.
Saddiq bey has 9'2 standing reach i heard. he is very long.

Okongwus hip bend is disconcerting but what about his feathery touch around the rim? His hooks, runners and floaters seem high level. As well as his ability to block shots.

[Frichuela]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260103/Hornets-Heavily-Considering-Onyeka-Okongwu


Food for thought...

[WizarDynasty]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/260103/Hornets-Heavily-Considering-Onyeka-Okongwu


Food for thought...

In a fantasy draft, do you ever broadcast who you. You want players that were over rated to be picked to increase chance of your guy sliding. Why would you want increase the value of a player you are targeting. You put attention on players you dont care about losing. Chicago needs another team before them to over value him... so that their player slides. If u have Tom Brady, a qb who was drafted in the fifth round.. I have him rated number in entire draft, ,would I alert teams to how great he is. No I want to kekeekekeep him a secret so I can get him at a discount.

[WizarDynasty]

Jared Jeffries has terrible hip bend. He also lacked adequate bowleggedness. Try again WD.

I agree, he couldn't maintain his hip ben8d for long durations, and very uncoordinated shooting elbow. But who is closest the Jeffries--9'2 standing reach... in this draft, that does have amazing hip bend, and coordinated elbow, and quick first step, great handles, and great motor? Maybe Obi? imagine having a perimeter player with a standing reach of 9'2. Completely shut down perimeter 3 point shot jacking.
Saddiq bey has 9'2 standing reach i heard. he is very long.

Okongwus hip bend is disconcerting but what about his feathery touch around the rim? His hooks, runners and floaters seem high level. As well as his ability to block shots.

If okongwu had 9'2 standing reach instead of 8'10. Then yes. But he has 6 inch standing reach disadvantage every night...and he is two foot jumper. He gets no lift jumping off one foot.
Ok He has antwon Jamison touch inside, but he got man handle in college going up against anyone close to seven feet with strength.
He doesnt have elite handles and he is undersized even as poweeforward let alone center. P/f reach 9'2. An elite center reach is 9'4. OKONGWU IS 8'10. HE HAS REACH IF standard small forward, not even power forward 9'2. Thats a red huge flag. Go check out Bams standing reach. Kevin Garnett, even Giannis has 9'2 standing reach.
Now if he had Draymond green handles, then maybe but I never seenhim one time cross the ball or do anything to draw fouls.

[Shoe]

The Ringers new mock is out and has the Wizards trading up to 6 for LaMelo Ball.

[queridiculo]

The Ringers new mock is out and has the Wizards trading up to 6 for LaMelo Ball.

There's no way.

If the Wizards move up to 6 it's going to be for Okongwu, or possibly Killian Hayes.

[nate33]

The Ringers new mock is out and has the Wizards trading up to 6 for LaMelo Ball.

There's no way.

If the Wizards move up to 6 it's going to be for Okongwu, or possibly Killian Hayes.

Yeah, that doesn't make any sense at all.

I'd also be pretty shocked if Ball lasts until #6.

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What nate said....

[doclinkin]

Ok He has antwon Jamison touch inside, but he got man handle in college going up against anyone close to seven feet

Not sure who you are watching. Going though game logs and rosters he shot below %50 in 7 out of 29 games. In each of those games with two exceptions he was the top rebounder in the game. One was against Isaiah Stewart in Washington (a 6'9" ground bound concrete barrier of a human being), and the other was when a guard from Temple who out-rebounded everybody on either team.

[WizarDynasty]

IF we think Okongwu is so good, we are better off getting Marquise Chriss who is an exact replica of Okongwu from Golden State. Pretty sure Golden State would not demand much for him.

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IF we think Okongwu is so good, we are better off getting Marquise Chriss who is an exact replica of Okongwu from Golden State. Pretty sure Golden State would not demand much for him.

I don't know what "exact replica" can possibly mean in this case, WD.

We have two guys, each of whom played 1 year in college. Did they do similar things on the court?

Well, per 40 minutes they were within .8 of each other in points. That's similar. But... that's not what they did exactly -- Chriss shot the 3, Okongwu didn't. Chriss had the lower FT%, but they both got to the line a fair amount (Okongwu more frequently -- but not a big difference). OTOH, Okongwu shot 2-pointers far better (mostly b/c of his activity around the basket).

As a result, Okongwu was by far the superior scorer, posting a 64.6% TS% compared to Chriss's .585 -- that's a very big difference.

But, the differences only get bigger when you look at other things the guys did -- Chriss managed 4.6 defensive boards per 40 minutes -- compared to Okongwu's 8.6. This is *not* similar. This is not indicative of "an exact replica." Nor is 30% more TOs from Chriss.

Chriss has improved in the last couple of years, but that's not evidence of similarity either.

[Ruzious]

Now that WizNas mentions it, maybe we should target Chriss. Looking at his stats, he was at least one of the most improved players in the NBA last season. Not only did he dramatically improve his scoring efficiency, his per 36 numbers also dramatically improved - he more than doubled his assists and tripled his blocks, while his points and rebounds were both career highs. With him coming up on a contract season (UFA next offseason), he could be available cheaply - or just wait till next offseason.

[Shoe]

The Ringers new mock is out and has the Wizards trading up to 6 for LaMelo Ball.

There's no way.

If the Wizards move up to 6 it's going to be for Okongwu, or possibly Killian Hayes.

Yeah, that doesn't make any sense at all.

I'd also be pretty shocked if Ball lasts until #6.

Kevin O Conner thinks the Wizards are wanting to trade up. I can't see it for Ball but maybe Okongwu or Okoro or Avdija. Hope not but you never know.

Honestly I'm getting a lot of 2015 vibe from this lottery Mudiay, Hezonja, Stanley, Kaminsky, WCS, Justise. It's best to remind ourselves that most of these guys in this draft won't cut it in the NBA. Other guys will suffer early career injuries and never rebound. A few will carve a nice career but bounce around the league not giving much value to the team that drafted them. Every pick is really a swing for the fences and hope for the best. Real contenders are built on savvy trades and under the radar transactions.

[payitforward]

Now that WizNas mentions it, maybe we should target Chriss. Looking at his stats, he was at least one of the most improved players in the NBA last season. Not only did he dramatically improve his scoring efficiency, his per 36 numbers also dramatically improved - he more than doubled his assists and tripled his blocks, while his points and rebounds were both career highs. With him coming up on a contract season (UFA next offseason), he could be available cheaply - or just wait till next offseason.

Would be a great idea, but GS has an option on him for 20-21. Given his jump, they are very likely to negotiate a new deal & sew him up.

Admittedly, their salary situation may make it complicated.... But, they do have to field a full team!

[Ruzious]

Now that WizNas mentions it, maybe we should target Chriss. Looking at his stats, he was at least one of the most improved players in the NBA last season. Not only did he dramatically improve his scoring efficiency, his per 36 numbers also dramatically improved - he more than doubled his assists and tripled his blocks, while his points and rebounds were both career highs. With him coming up on a contract season (UFA next offseason), he could be available cheaply - or just wait till next offseason.

Would be a great idea, but GS has an option on him for 20-21. Given his jump, they are very likely to negotiate a new deal & sew him up.

Admittedly, their salary situation may make it complicated.... But, they do have to field a full team!

I don't think there's any option to his contract, but either way - I said he was a UFA next season. But you're right - they probably do value him highly - considering he improved dramatically last season. If he keeps improving, he could get a higher than MLE contract next offseason. Quite a change, because the Warriors actually let him go at one point - before signing him once to a 2-way contract and then to a 2 year contract. The light must have switched on for him - I wonder what caused that, because it looked like his career was going nowhere. Maybe it was just natural maturity?

[payitforward]

There's no way.

If the Wizards move up to 6 it's going to be for Okongwu, or possibly Killian Hayes.

Yeah, that doesn't make any sense at all.

I'd also be pretty shocked if Ball lasts until #6.

Kevin O Conner thinks the Wizards are wanting to trade up. I can't see it for Ball but maybe Okongwu or Okoro or Avdija. Hope not but you never know.

Honestly I'm getting a lot of 2015 vibe from this lottery Mudiay, Hezonja, Stanley, Kaminsky, WCS, Justise. It's best to remind ourselves that most of these guys in this draft won't cut it in the NBA....

This draft will produce about the same number of NBA players as every draft. & they'll come from all over the 2 rounds, not predominantly from the lottery, at least not past #3.

Of the 11 guys taken from 3-13 last year, 6 of them were absolutely horrible (Barrett, Culver, Hunter, Garland, White & Reddish), 2 of them were extremely mediocre at best (Rui & Washington). The other 3 were Herro, who showed a lot of promise & came on late, Jaxson Hayes, & Cam Johnson. The #14 guy didn't play at all. The best rookies out of last year's draft were chosen elsewhere in the draft -- well outside the lottery, some in R2, some were undrafted for that matter.

If we trade up, it will be a grievous mistake. What do we have to trade other than the #9 pick we'd be trying to improve? Either draft picks (the #37 or next year's #1) or 1 or more of our young players. Going in either direction would be stupid -- & would ring the death knell on Tommy Sheppard's career.

...Every pick is really a swing for the fences and hope for the best. Real contenders are built on savvy trades and under the radar transactions.

I'm not sure what "under the radar transactions" are, Shoe. But you have to be "savvy" in trades & everything else to do well. GS was built on the draft. Miami this year contended based on a terrific trade (really, it was that one of the best players in the league decided that he wanted to play there) -- & a great draft pick (Bam), & a good draft pick (Herro), & great undrafted find (Robinson), & some of those smart, "small" decisions about trades & FAs.

Anyway, the real point is opportunity -- making the most of those you have.

[nate33]

There's no way.

If the Wizards move up to 6 it's going to be for Okongwu, or possibly Killian Hayes.

Yeah, that doesn't make any sense at all.

I'd also be pretty shocked if Ball lasts until #6.

Kevin O Conner thinks the Wizards are wanting to trade up. I can't see it for Ball but maybe Okongwu or Okoro or Avdija. Hope not but you never know.

Honestly I'm getting a lot of 2015 vibe from this lottery Mudiay, Hezonja, Stanley, Kaminsky, WCS, Justise. It's best to remind ourselves that most of these guys in this draft won't cut it in the NBA. Other guys will suffer early career injuries and never rebound. A few will carve a nice career but bounce around the league not giving much value to the team that drafted them. Every pick is really a swing for the fences and hope for the best. Real contenders are built on savvy trades and under the radar transactions.

It's certainly possible that the Wizards might want to trade up. But I assume they want to do so for a specific guy - presumably Okongwu. I don't think they want to trade up for the sake of trading up just to grab a "big name". Particularly when we are literally the worst possible fit for Lonzo Ball among any team in the top 10.

[payitforward]

The Ringers new mock is out and has the Wizards trading up to 6 for LaMelo Ball.

I see this has already been covered...

Here's what they say we'll do: "The Hawks send no. 6 to the Wizards for no. 9, no. 37, and Troy Brown Jr." In other words, to move up 3 spots in the draft, we give up the #37 pick & Troy Brown. If I'm an Atlanta fan, I love this trade.

We do this in order to draft LaMelo Ball.

I can imagine giving the #37 pick to move up 3 spots, but IMO the trade as proposed is utterly ridiculous.

I wouldn't trade up for Okongwu either. Certainly not giving up a promising player like Brown.

The one thing there is in this draft is depth. Trading down makes sense. Trading up... no.

[Ruzious]

The Ringers new mock is out and has the Wizards trading up to 6 for LaMelo Ball.

I see this has already been covered...

Here's what they say we'll do: "The Hawks send no. 6 to the Wizards for no. 9, no. 37, and Troy Brown Jr." In other words, to move up 3 spots in the draft, we give up the #37 pick & Troy Brown. If I'm an Atlanta fan, I love this trade.

We do this in order to draft LaMelo Ball.

I can imagine giving the #37 pick to move up 3 spots, but IMO the trade as proposed is utterly ridiculous.

I wouldn't trade up for Okongwu either. Certainly not giving up a promising player like Brown.

The one thing there is in this draft is depth. Trading down makes sense. Trading up... no.

The good thing about Brown is that he knows his weaknesses. He recently said he needs to improve his 3 point shooting and moving laterally on defense. He said he needs to do that to become a good player. TBJ is preaching to the choir.

I'm the choir leader.

He should also add some muscle.

2 weeks till the draft!

[Ruzious]

Yeah, that doesn't make any sense at all.

I'd also be pretty shocked if Ball lasts until #6.

Kevin O Conner thinks the Wizards are wanting to trade up. I can't see it for Ball but maybe Okongwu or Okoro or Avdija. Hope not but you never know.

Honestly I'm getting a lot of 2015 vibe from this lottery Mudiay, Hezonja, Stanley, Kaminsky, WCS, Justise. It's best to remind ourselves that most of these guys in this draft won't cut it in the NBA. Other guys will suffer early career injuries and never rebound. A few will carve a nice career but bounce around the league not giving much value to the team that drafted them. Every pick is really a swing for the fences and hope for the best. Real contenders are built on savvy trades and under the radar transactions.

It's certainly possible that the Wizards might want to trade up. But I assume they want to do so for a specific guy - presumably Okongwu. I don't think they want to trade up for the sake of trading up just to grab a "big name". Particularly when we are literally the worst possible fit for Lonzo Ball among any team in the top 10.

Exactly. Ball makes absolutely zero sense for the Wizards when they're depending on Wall. Also, I doubt he becomes the boy scout type that Tommy seems to prefer.