What has Jordan achieved without Pippen?

[ReddoverKobe]

I am patiently waiting for an answer from any MJ fan whenever you get a moment. Let's try to keep this focused to #2 and #3 options (AKA, help) which means stop posting #1 option stats because all you're doing is proving my point.

My point: MJ by far had the best help in the league. His #2 and #3 options were always better than his opponent's #2 and #3 option. If you agree, remain silent. If you disagree then kindly answer:

Which opponents that MJ faced had a better #2 and #3 options than Pippen and Grant?

The last three peat is hilarious. Look at those sonics and jazz rosters.

[Michael Lucky]

And yet the immediate counter is that Jordan never switched teams during his prime in pursuit of teamming up with other superstars.

[Magic Is Magic]

I am patiently waiting for an answer from any MJ fan whenever you get a moment. Let's try to keep this focused to #2 and #3 options (AKA, help) which means stop posting #1 option stats because all you're doing is proving my point.

My point: MJ by far had the best help in the league. His #2 and #3 options were always better than his opponent's #2 and #3 option. If you agree, remain silent. If you disagree then kindly answer:

Which opponents that MJ faced had a better #2 and #3 options than Pippen and Grant?

The last three peat is hilarious. Look at those sonics and jazz rosters.

Pretty bad rosters when considered to be "Finals" team rosters. Especially when you realize Pippen was better than any opponent second option and then you have great defense from Rodman and Harper and great coaching and then of course MJ. I am still waiting patiently but no one has responded. It's been quiet all of a sudden. All I ask for anyone to answer is this: Which opponents that MJ faced had a better #2 and #3 options than Pippen and Grant?

[ssang]

That happens every time. Any time they get refuted they dont answer, and go to another thread with the same bs again and again

LOL, some people have lives and not on realgm 24/7.
Let me ask you, who was magic praising after game 2?

No one diminishing MJ, not me certainly he is GOAT in my eyes. LeBron is very close 2nd.
But I'm not blinded by facts. The notion that MJ did I solo is BS.

Let me ask the both of you again.
What has MJ done without scottie? Don't run from it. I'll wait.

I was not meaning you but there are other lebron fans who usually duck out when presented with facts or diffrent opinion. So apologies that comment was not aimed at you.

Ive never heard about magic praising pippen after game 2? Short googling turned up nothing except some archive which you need to subscripe to look at.

But that does not mean that Jordan did not guard magic because he was the primary defender on magic in those finals.

Im not blinded by fact or anytjing else or are under the elusion that jordan did it him self. Infact i have never said he did it alone.

But answer your question. It depends. When pippen was a rookie the bulls reached 2nd round, in his second year ecf.
He won mvp and dpoy in pippens rookie year which was Jordans 4th season. So would you say that pippen had anything to do with Jordans mvp and dpoy?

So if we are strict Jordan won roy and lead the league in scoring.
I would say scoring titles, mvp, dpoy, all star games, lead his team to ecsf and ecf.
But outside of the nba. Olimpic gold, ncaa title.

Hey now, don't you go selling Mike short.

You are correct in that without/before Scottie Pippen, Jordan lead the United States to olympic gold in the summer of 1984. And it is true that he won the 1982 NCAA natty title, hitting the national championship game winner as a freshman. And you're also damn-straight that MJ was indeed the 1984-1985 NBA rookie of the year, as well as he was the NBA scoring champion with 37.1 ppg in '86-'87....when defenses were still very much allowed to, ya'know, defend. All achieved before the services of Scottie Pippen; 8 ppg rookie Scottie Pippen or otherwise.

But in addition to that, Jordan also achieved without Pippen....

1983 AP 1st team college basketball all-American
1983 Sporting News college basketball player of the year
1984 AP 1st team college basketball all-American
1984 Sporting News college basketball player of the year
1984 Naismith college basketball player of the year award
1984 John R. Wooden college basketball player of the year award
1984 Associated Press College Basketball Player of the Year Award
1984 college basketball Oscar Robertson Trophy (awarded by U.S. Basketball Writers Association)
1984 National Association of Basketball Coaches (NABC) college basketball player of the year award

Set the NBA all-time record for most points scored in a postseason game: 63 points (still standing)
---> April 20th, 1986 at the Garden vs. eventual NBA champion Boston Celtics (They were pretty good. Great defensively too)

Starting guard Eastern Conference NBA All-Star 1984-1985
Starting guard Eastern Conference NBA All-Star 1985-1986 (DNP due to injury)
Starting guard Eastern Conference NBA All-Star 1986-1987

1987 NBA slam Dunk Contest Champion (Glory award, I know. You can even say vapid)...
---> But still...the champion of a particular contest that one must actually compete in in order to possibly receive & achieve

In 182 career pre/no-Pip regular season games....
---> F**ked around and hung a 60 spot (61 actually) twice (2)
---> Dropped 50 or more eight times (8)
---> Went for 40 + points on fourty-four separate occasions (44)
---> Notched at least 30 a hundred & four times (104)

Established the NBA all-time record for most blocked shots (125) by a guard in a season in 1986-1987 *
* Denotes record since broken ##
## Denotes Record since broken by Michael Jordan (same dude) one season later when he swatted 132 (that record still stands)

In 10 pre-Pippen playoff games
---> 30 or more points 7 times (and another one finishing at 29)
---> 40 + three times (finishing at 49 once)
---> 50 + once (never finishing in the 50's though)...
---> But there was this one time he did drop 63

Intangible pre-Pip (aka "no-Pip") achievement
---> Galvanized the sporting world and was widely regarded (let's be honest; universally really. And more like "understood") as the singularly most spectacularly awesome individual talent the NBA had ever encountered.

Other than that though, without Pippen, Jordan pretty much sucked

[2klegend]

Stupid question. Pippen was given to MJ as opposed to MJ chosen running mate. If MJ has the benefit of today era where he can run to a different team to join other superstars, he would have equally been more successful.

[jerok]

LOL, some people have lives and not on realgm 24/7.
Let me ask you, who was magic praising after game 2?

No one diminishing MJ, not me certainly he is GOAT in my eyes. LeBron is very close 2nd.
But I'm not blinded by facts. The notion that MJ did I solo is BS.

Let me ask the both of you again.
What has MJ done without scottie? Don't run from it. I'll wait.

I was not meaning you but there are other lebron fans who usually duck out when presented with facts or diffrent opinion. So apologies that comment was not aimed at you.

Ive never heard about magic praising pippen after game 2? Short googling turned up nothing except some archive which you need to subscripe to look at.

But that does not mean that Jordan did not guard magic because he was the primary defender on magic in those finals.

Im not blinded by fact or anytjing else or are under the elusion that jordan did it him self. Infact i have never said he did it alone.

But answer your question. It depends. When pippen was a rookie the bulls reached 2nd round, in his second year ecf.
He won mvp and dpoy in pippens rookie year which was Jordans 4th season. So would you say that pippen had anything to do with Jordans mvp and dpoy?

So if we are strict Jordan won roy and lead the league in scoring.
I would say scoring titles, mvp, dpoy, all star games, lead his team to ecsf and ecf.
But outside of the nba. Olimpic gold, ncaa title.

Hey now, don't you go selling Mike short.

You are correct in that without/before Scottie Pippen, Jordan lead the United States to olympic gold in the summer of 1984. And it is true that he won the 1982 NCAA natty title, hitting the national championship game winner as a freshman. And you're also damn-straight that MJ was indeed the 1984-1985 NBA rookie of the year, as well as he was the NBA scoring champion with 37.1 ppg in '86-'87....when defenses were still very much allowed to, ya'know, defend. All achieved before the services of Scottie Pippen; 8 ppg rookie Scottie Pippen or otherwise.

But in addition to that, Jordan also achieved without Pippen....

1983 AP 1st team college basketball all-American
1983 Sporting News college basketball player of the year
1984 AP 1st team college basketball all-American
1984 Sporting News college basketball player of the year
1984 Naismith college basketball player of the year award
1984 John R. Wooden college basketball player of the year award
1984 Associated Press College Basketball Player of the Year Award
1984 college basketball Oscar Robertson Trophy (awarded by U.S. Basketball Writers Association)
1984 National Association of Basketball Coaches (NABC) college basketball player of the year award

Set the NBA all-time record for most points scored in a postseason game: 63 points (still standing)
---> April 20th, 1986 at the Garden vs. eventual NBA champion Boston Celtics (They were pretty good. Great defensively too)

Starting guard Eastern Conference NBA All-Star 1984-1985
Starting guard Eastern Conference NBA All-Star 1985-1986 (DNP due to injury)
Starting guard Eastern Conference NBA All-Star 1986-1987

1987 NBA slam Dunk Contest Champion (Glory award, I know. You can even say vapid)...
---> But still...the champion of a particular contest that one must actually compete in in order to possibly receive & achieve

In 182 career pre/no-Pip regular season games....
---> F**ked around and hung a 60 spot (61 actually) twice (2)
---> Dropped 50 or more eight times (8)
---> Went for 40 + points on fourty-four separate occasions (44)
---> Notched at least 30 a hundred & four times (104)

Established the NBA all-time record for most blocked shots (125) by a guard in a season in 1986-1987 *
* Denotes record since broken ##
## Denotes Record since broken by Michael Jordan (same dude) one season later when he swatted 132 (that record still stands)

In 10 pre-Pippen playoff games
---> 30 or more points 7 times (and another one finishing at 29)
---> 40 + three times (finishing at 49 once)
---> 50 + once (never finishing in the 50's though)...
---> But there was this one time he did drop 63

Intangible pre-Pip (aka "no-Pip") achievement
---> Galvanized the sporting world and was widely regarded (let's be honest; universally really. And more like "understood") as the singularly most spectacularly awesome individual talent the NBA had ever encountered.

Other than that though, without Pippen, Jordan pretty much sucked

Blah blah
Lots of players with great individual accomplishments.
But aren't glorified because they don't win NBA championships.
No one's doubting MJ was incredible.

But Without Pippen he was getting spanked in the first round. FACTS.
He won all his championships with Pippen. FACTS.
Pippen migraine game. MJ couldn't will bulls past detroit. FACTS
Pippen made it further in playoffs without MJ. FACTS.

All facts.

[twyzted]

LOL, some people have lives and not on realgm 24/7.
Let me ask you, who was magic praising after game 2?

No one diminishing MJ, not me certainly he is GOAT in my eyes. LeBron is very close 2nd.
But I'm not blinded by facts. The notion that MJ did I solo is BS.

Let me ask the both of you again.
What has MJ done without scottie? Don't run from it. I'll wait.

I was not meaning you but there are other lebron fans who usually duck out when presented with facts or diffrent opinion. So apologies that comment was not aimed at you.

Ive never heard about magic praising pippen after game 2? Short googling turned up nothing except some archive which you need to subscripe to look at.

But that does not mean that Jordan did not guard magic because he was the primary defender on magic in those finals.

Im not blinded by fact or anytjing else or are under the elusion that jordan did it him self. Infact i have never said he did it alone.

But answer your question. It depends. When pippen was a rookie the bulls reached 2nd round, in his second year ecf.
He won mvp and dpoy in pippens rookie year which was Jordans 4th season. So would you say that pippen had anything to do with Jordans mvp and dpoy?

So if we are strict Jordan won roy and lead the league in scoring.
I would say scoring titles, mvp, dpoy, all star games, lead his team to ecsf and ecf.
But outside of the nba. Olimpic gold, ncaa title.

Hey now, don't you go selling Mike short.

You are correct in that without/before Scottie Pippen, Jordan lead the United States to olympic gold in the summer of 1984. And it is true that he won the 1982 NCAA natty title, hitting the national championship game winner as a freshman. And you're also damn-straight that MJ was indeed the 1984-1985 NBA rookie of the year, as well as he was the NBA scoring champion with 37.1 ppg in '86-'87....when defenses were still very much allowed to, ya'know, defend. All achieved before the services of Scottie Pippen; 8 ppg rookie Scottie Pippen or otherwise.

But in addition to that, Jordan also achieved without Pippen....

1983 AP 1st team college basketball all-American
1983 Sporting News college basketball player of the year
1984 AP 1st team college basketball all-American
1984 Sporting News college basketball player of the year
1984 Naismith college basketball player of the year award
1984 John R. Wooden college basketball player of the year award
1984 Associated Press College Basketball Player of the Year Award
1984 college basketball Oscar Robertson Trophy (awarded by U.S. Basketball Writers Association)
1984 National Association of Basketball Coaches (NABC) college basketball player of the year award

Set the NBA all-time record for most points scored in a postseason game: 63 points (still standing)
---> April 20th, 1986 at the Garden vs. eventual NBA champion Boston Celtics (They were pretty good. Great defensively too)

Starting guard Eastern Conference NBA All-Star 1984-1985
Starting guard Eastern Conference NBA All-Star 1985-1986 (DNP due to injury)
Starting guard Eastern Conference NBA All-Star 1986-1987

1987 NBA slam Dunk Contest Champion (Glory award, I know. You can even say vapid)...
---> But still...the champion of a particular contest that one must actually compete in in order to possibly receive & achieve

In 182 career pre/no-Pip regular season games....
---> F**ked around and hung a 60 spot (61 actually) twice (2)
---> Dropped 50 or more eight times (8)
---> Went for 40 + points on fourty-four separate occasions (44)
---> Notched at least 30 a hundred & four times (104)

Established the NBA all-time record for most blocked shots (125) by a guard in a season in 1986-1987 *
* Denotes record since broken ##
## Denotes Record since broken by Michael Jordan (same dude) one season later when he swatted 132 (that record still stands)

In 10 pre-Pippen playoff games
---> 30 or more points 7 times (and another one finishing at 29)
---> 40 + three times (finishing at 49 once)
---> 50 + once (never finishing in the 50's though)...
---> But there was this one time he did drop 63

Intangible pre-Pip (aka "no-Pip") achievement
---> Galvanized the sporting world and was widely regarded (let's be honest; universally really. And more like "understood") as the singularly most spectacularly awesome individual talent the NBA had ever encountered.

Other than that though, without Pippen, Jordan pretty much sucked

I only have 1 upvote unfortunatly.
But well said Sir i agree whole wholeheartedly with everything.

P.s im stealing the **** out of this post for later usage.

[jerok]

That happens every time. Any time they get refuted they dont answer, and go to another thread with the same bs again and again

LOL, some people have lives and not on realgm 24/7.
Let me ask you, who was magic praising after game 2?

No one diminishing MJ, not me certainly he is GOAT in my eyes. LeBron is very close 2nd.
But I'm not blinded by facts. The notion that MJ did I solo is BS.

Let me ask the both of you again.
What has MJ done without scottie? Don't run from it. I'll wait.

I was not meaning you but there are other lebron fans who usually duck out when presented with facts or diffrent opinion. So apologies that comment was not aimed at you.

Ive never heard about magic praising pippen after game 2? Short googling turned up nothing except some archive which you need to subscripe to look at.

But that does not mean that Jordan did not guard magic because he was the primary defender on magic in those finals.

Im not blinded by fact or anytjing else or are under the elusion that jordan did it him self. Infact i have never said he did it alone.

But answer your question. It depends. When pippen was a rookie the bulls reached 2nd round, in his second year ecf.
He won mvp and dpoy in pippens rookie year which was Jordans 4th season. So would you say that pippen had anything to do with Jordans mvp and dpoy?

So if we are strict Jordan won roy and lead the league in scoring.
I would say scoring titles, mvp, dpoy, all star games, lead his team to ecsf and ecf.
But outside of the nba. Olimpic gold, ncaa title.

Magics post game interview. Should be on youtube.
MJ is incredible. Off course he got those individual accomplishments.
But we truly measure his greatness with championships, and he got all of that with Pippen.

[twyzted]

LOL, some people have lives and not on realgm 24/7.
Let me ask you, who was magic praising after game 2?

No one diminishing MJ, not me certainly he is GOAT in my eyes. LeBron is very close 2nd.
But I'm not blinded by facts. The notion that MJ did I solo is BS.

Let me ask the both of you again.
What has MJ done without scottie? Don't run from it. I'll wait.

I was not meaning you but there are other lebron fans who usually duck out when presented with facts or diffrent opinion. So apologies that comment was not aimed at you.

Ive never heard about magic praising pippen after game 2? Short googling turned up nothing except some archive which you need to subscripe to look at.

But that does not mean that Jordan did not guard magic because he was the primary defender on magic in those finals.

Im not blinded by fact or anytjing else or are under the elusion that jordan did it him self. Infact i have never said he did it alone.

But answer your question. It depends. When pippen was a rookie the bulls reached 2nd round, in his second year ecf.
He won mvp and dpoy in pippens rookie year which was Jordans 4th season. So would you say that pippen had anything to do with Jordans mvp and dpoy?

So if we are strict Jordan won roy and lead the league in scoring.
I would say scoring titles, mvp, dpoy, all star games, lead his team to ecsf and ecf.
But outside of the nba. Olimpic gold, ncaa title.

Magics post game interview. Should be on youtube.
MJ is incredible. Off course he got those individual accomplishments.
But we truly measure his greatness with championships, and he got all of that with Pippen.

Yes he did. And why is that bad?

[jerok]

Since nobody is answering the TS I will chime in with my response. Nothing. MJ did nothing in the 5 years without Scottie. And to be crystal clear, Scottie actually has won more playoff games without MJ than MJ has without Scottie. Scottie also has won more playoff series in his career than MJ has.

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[jerok]

I was not meaning you but there are other lebron fans who usually duck out when presented with facts or diffrent opinion. So apologies that comment was not aimed at you.

Ive never heard about magic praising pippen after game 2? Short googling turned up nothing except some archive which you need to subscripe to look at.

But that does not mean that Jordan did not guard magic because he was the primary defender on magic in those finals.

Im not blinded by fact or anytjing else or are under the elusion that jordan did it him self. Infact i have never said he did it alone.

But answer your question. It depends. When pippen was a rookie the bulls reached 2nd round, in his second year ecf.
He won mvp and dpoy in pippens rookie year which was Jordans 4th season. So would you say that pippen had anything to do with Jordans mvp and dpoy?

So if we are strict Jordan won roy and lead the league in scoring.
I would say scoring titles, mvp, dpoy, all star games, lead his team to ecsf and ecf.
But outside of the nba. Olimpic gold, ncaa title.

Magics post game interview. Should be on youtube.
MJ is incredible. Off course he got those individual accomplishments.
But we truly measure his greatness with championships, and he got all of that with Pippen.

Yes he did. And why is that bad?

Not bad at all. I'm just answering OPs question. Jordan did nothing without Pippen, top 5 player in the 90s according to experts.

But you know LeBron gets killed for having great teammates.
He gotta do it solo like MJ. That's where I have an issue, even when MJ is my goat and that's where I side with OP.

[twyzted]

Magics post game interview. Should be on youtube.
MJ is incredible. Off course he got those individual accomplishments.
But we truly measure his greatness with championships, and he got all of that with Pippen.

Yes he did. And why is that bad?

Not bad at all. I'm just answering OPs question. Jordan did nothing without Pippen, top 5 player in the 90s according to experts.

But you know LeBron gets killed for having great teammates.
He gotta do it solo like MJ. That's where I have an issue, even when MJ is my goat and that's where I side with OP.

Yeah i agree with that lebron gets unfairly criticised for teammates.
I usually only use it if people down play lebron teammates and elivate jordans to make a point.

[ssang]

I was not meaning you but there are other lebron fans who usually duck out when presented with facts or diffrent opinion. So apologies that comment was not aimed at you.

Ive never heard about magic praising pippen after game 2? Short googling turned up nothing except some archive which you need to subscripe to look at.

But that does not mean that Jordan did not guard magic because he was the primary defender on magic in those finals.

Im not blinded by fact or anytjing else or are under the elusion that jordan did it him self. Infact i have never said he did it alone.

But answer your question. It depends. When pippen was a rookie the bulls reached 2nd round, in his second year ecf.
He won mvp and dpoy in pippens rookie year which was Jordans 4th season. So would you say that pippen had anything to do with Jordans mvp and dpoy?

So if we are strict Jordan won roy and lead the league in scoring.
I would say scoring titles, mvp, dpoy, all star games, lead his team to ecsf and ecf.
But outside of the nba. Olimpic gold, ncaa title.

Hey now, don't you go selling Mike short.

You are correct in that without/before Scottie Pippen, Jordan lead the United States to olympic gold in the summer of 1984. And it is true that he won the 1982 NCAA natty title, hitting the national championship game winner as a freshman. And you're also damn-straight that MJ was indeed the 1984-1985 NBA rookie of the year, as well as he was the NBA scoring champion with 37.1 ppg in '86-'87....when defenses were still very much allowed to, ya'know, defend. All achieved before the services of Scottie Pippen; 8 ppg rookie Scottie Pippen or otherwise.

But in addition to that, Jordan also achieved without Pippen....

1983 AP 1st team college basketball all-American
1983 Sporting News college basketball player of the year
1984 AP 1st team college basketball all-American
1984 Sporting News college basketball player of the year
1984 Naismith college basketball player of the year award
1984 John R. Wooden college basketball player of the year award
1984 Associated Press College Basketball Player of the Year Award
1984 college basketball Oscar Robertson Trophy (awarded by U.S. Basketball Writers Association)
1984 National Association of Basketball Coaches (NABC) college basketball player of the year award

Set the NBA all-time record for most points scored in a postseason game: 63 points (still standing)
---> April 20th, 1986 at the Garden vs. eventual NBA champion Boston Celtics (They were pretty good. Great defensively too)

Starting guard Eastern Conference NBA All-Star 1984-1985
Starting guard Eastern Conference NBA All-Star 1985-1986 (DNP due to injury)
Starting guard Eastern Conference NBA All-Star 1986-1987

1987 NBA slam Dunk Contest Champion (Glory award, I know. You can even say vapid)...
---> But still...the champion of a particular contest that one must actually compete in in order to possibly receive & achieve

In 182 career pre/no-Pip regular season games....
---> F**ked around and hung a 60 spot (61 actually) twice (2)
---> Dropped 50 or more eight times (8)
---> Went for 40 + points on fourty-four separate occasions (44)
---> Notched at least 30 a hundred & four times (104)

Established the NBA all-time record for most blocked shots (125) by a guard in a season in 1986-1987 *
* Denotes record since broken ##
## Denotes Record since broken by Michael Jordan (same dude) one season later when he swatted 132 (that record still stands)

In 10 pre-Pippen playoff games
---> 30 or more points 7 times (and another one finishing at 29)
---> 40 + three times (finishing at 49 once)
---> 50 + once (never finishing in the 50's though)...
---> But there was this one time he did drop 63

Intangible pre-Pip (aka "no-Pip") achievement
---> Galvanized the sporting world and was widely regarded (let's be honest; universally really. And more like "understood") as the singularly most spectacularly awesome individual talent the NBA had ever encountered.

Other than that though, without Pippen, Jordan pretty much sucked

Blah blah
Lots of players with great individual accomplishments.
But aren't glorified because they don't win NBA championships.
No one's doubting MJ was incredible.

But Without Pippen he was getting spanked in the first round. FACTS.
He won all his championships with Pippen. FACTS.
Pippen migraine game. MJ couldn't will bulls past detroit. FACTS
Pippen made it further in playoffs without MJ. FACTS.

All facts.

You’re being obtuse. FACT
Your points are asinine. FACT

[jerok]

Hey now, don't you go selling Mike short.

You are correct in that without/before Scottie Pippen, Jordan lead the United States to olympic gold in the summer of 1984. And it is true that he won the 1982 NCAA natty title, hitting the national championship game winner as a freshman. And you're also damn-straight that MJ was indeed the 1984-1985 NBA rookie of the year, as well as he was the NBA scoring champion with 37.1 ppg in '86-'87....when defenses were still very much allowed to, ya'know, defend. All achieved before the services of Scottie Pippen; 8 ppg rookie Scottie Pippen or otherwise.

But in addition to that, Jordan also achieved without Pippen....

1983 AP 1st team college basketball all-American
1983 Sporting News college basketball player of the year
1984 AP 1st team college basketball all-American
1984 Sporting News college basketball player of the year
1984 Naismith college basketball player of the year award
1984 John R. Wooden college basketball player of the year award
1984 Associated Press College Basketball Player of the Year Award
1984 college basketball Oscar Robertson Trophy (awarded by U.S. Basketball Writers Association)
1984 National Association of Basketball Coaches (NABC) college basketball player of the year award

Set the NBA all-time record for most points scored in a postseason game: 63 points (still standing)
---> April 20th, 1986 at the Garden vs. eventual NBA champion Boston Celtics (They were pretty good. Great defensively too)

Starting guard Eastern Conference NBA All-Star 1984-1985
Starting guard Eastern Conference NBA All-Star 1985-1986 (DNP due to injury)
Starting guard Eastern Conference NBA All-Star 1986-1987

1987 NBA slam Dunk Contest Champion (Glory award, I know. You can even say vapid)...
---> But still...the champion of a particular contest that one must actually compete in in order to possibly receive & achieve

In 182 career pre/no-Pip regular season games....
---> F**ked around and hung a 60 spot (61 actually) twice (2)
---> Dropped 50 or more eight times (8)
---> Went for 40 + points on fourty-four separate occasions (44)
---> Notched at least 30 a hundred & four times (104)

Established the NBA all-time record for most blocked shots (125) by a guard in a season in 1986-1987 *
* Denotes record since broken ##
## Denotes Record since broken by Michael Jordan (same dude) one season later when he swatted 132 (that record still stands)

In 10 pre-Pippen playoff games
---> 30 or more points 7 times (and another one finishing at 29)
---> 40 + three times (finishing at 49 once)
---> 50 + once (never finishing in the 50's though)...
---> But there was this one time he did drop 63

Intangible pre-Pip (aka "no-Pip") achievement
---> Galvanized the sporting world and was widely regarded (let's be honest; universally really. And more like "understood") as the singularly most spectacularly awesome individual talent the NBA had ever encountered.

Other than that though, without Pippen, Jordan pretty much sucked

Blah blah
Lots of players with great individual accomplishments.
But aren't glorified because they don't win NBA championships.
No one's doubting MJ was incredible.

But Without Pippen he was getting spanked in the first round. FACTS.
He won all his championships with Pippen. FACTS.
Pippen migraine game. MJ couldn't will bulls past detroit. FACTS
Pippen made it further in playoffs without MJ. FACTS.

All facts.

You’re being obtuse. FACT
Your points are asinine. FACT

Truth hurts man.

[Jkam31]

Jordan was a phenom in the 80’s. The best player on the planet by a country Mile. He never took the easy way out. Showed up to every single game, put the team on his back and played his heart out. His insane competitive drive was incredible.


What if Jordan left the Bulls and joined the Lakers in the 80’s? Returned to Chicago in the 90’s when they were better (and still recruited a star player)? Then jumped ship again for his final run recruiting Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett and other solid players to win a few more Championships before retiring? How many Championships would Jordan have? 15? 16? 17?

My goodness what a post absolutely brilliant but the lebron nut huggers will say something dumb in response

[Jkam31]

So Scottie is the goat?

[Drylick]

I am patiently waiting for an answer from any MJ fan whenever you get a moment. Let's try to keep this focused to #2 and #3 options (AKA, help) which means stop posting #1 option stats because all you're doing is proving my point.

My point: MJ by far had the best help in the league. His #2 and #3 options were always better than his opponent's #2 and #3 option. If you agree, remain silent. If you disagree then kindly answer:

Which opponents that MJ faced had a better #2 and #3 options than Pippen and Grant?

The last three peat is hilarious. Look at those sonics and jazz rosters.

Pretty bad rosters when considered to be "Finals" team rosters. Especially when you realize Pippen was better than any opponent second option and then you have great defense from Rodman and Harper and great coaching and then of course MJ. I am still waiting patiently but no one has responded. It's been quiet all of a sudden. All I ask for anyone to answer is this: Which opponents that MJ faced had a better #2 and #3 options than Pippen and Grant?

Your question has been answered multiple times already. They can't help you if you can't comprehend.

[Magic Is Magic]

The last three peat is hilarious. Look at those sonics and jazz rosters.

Pretty bad rosters when considered to be "Finals" team rosters. Especially when you realize Pippen was better than any opponent second option and then you have great defense from Rodman and Harper and great coaching and then of course MJ. I am still waiting patiently but no one has responded. It's been quiet all of a sudden. All I ask for anyone to answer is this: Which opponents that MJ faced had a better #2 and #3 options than Pippen and Grant?

Your question has been answered multiple times already. They can't help you if you can't comprehend.

So then by your very own response omitting any type of rebuttal is it safe to say that PIppen and Grant was the best #2-#3 combo during the 1990s? Because that is my claim and I am sticking to it.

[Dino353]

Jordan is a myth built up by commercials and was marketed as a superhero in the 90's. I still remember my dad bringing home some McDonald's with Jordan on the french fry box in the mid 90's, he was on the front of Wheaties cereal boxes he became more a celebrity than actual basketball player. It was unfair to pick the Bulls in the 90's in video games, they were the super-team of the 1990's.

Ron Harper,Dennis Rodman,Toni Kukoc,BJ Armstrong,Scottie Pippen,Horace Grant,John Paxson,and Steve Kerr? Jordan got more help than anyone in the 90's. Scottie Pippen was a jack of all-trades with a Jason Kidd like mindset towards the game, capable of getting you 30 any given night but could beat you by scoring 12. Jordan might have won all the Finals MVP's and received all the credit but Pippen will always be my favorite player from the 90's.

[TheGOATRises007]

Jordan is a myth built up by commercials and was marketed as a superhero in the 90's. I still remember my dad bringing home some McDonald's with Jordan on the french fry box in the mid 90's, he was on the front of Wheaties cereal boxes he became more a celebrity than actual basketball player. It was unfair to pick the Bulls in the 90's in video games, they were the super-team of the 1990's.

Ron Harper,Dennis Rodman,Toni Kukoc,BJ Armstrong,Scottie Pippen,Horace Grant,John Paxson,and Steve Kerr? Jordan got more help than anyone in the 90's. Scottie Pippen was a jack of all-trades with a Jason Kidd like mindset towards the game, capable of getting you 30 any given night but could beat you by scoring 12. Jordan might have won all the Finals MVP's and received all the credit but Pippen will always be my favorite player from the 90's.

You are too obsessed.

Go enjoy life more.