Miami Heat Speculation Thread - 2020 and beyond...

[Beenie]

Duncan
20th pick
FFR
Nunn
DJJ (sign and trade)
Olynyk

for

Jrue
Reddick

[AirP.]

I think you missed one which will push 3 to 4.
See how much you can upgrade with non essential players which includes Nunn, Olynyk(if he doesn't opt out), Silva, KZ, and an expiring Iguodala. I think Miami did a 2+1 with Iguodala for the purpose of having a decent sized salary to move which could be looked as an expiring contract(not just a player).

Olynyk opting in isn't a guarantee with this weird upcoming season. The players are already losing money with smaller season, possibly much smaller and a possible 40% escrow could lead Kelly to opt out and look for longer term money before becoming a year older.

Sure, you always try to improve on the margins, but I'm not sure we can add a meaningful player if Bam/Jimmy/Herro/Robinson are all off the table.

Who can you really get for a package of Nunn + Kelly + #20 + KZ + Iggy?

also If we can draft another stud at #20 and get a starting player talent with full MLE (still dreaming of Gallinari or Wood), Insert KZ to the rotation - that's enough talent additions for this season IMO.[/quote]

DeRozen. I just listened to DeRozen on JJ Redick's podcast with him explaining why he doesn't shoot 3s, it's not because he can't but much like Butler he sees value in attacking the basket, getting to the line, and also distributing to his teammates who want to shoot 3s. If you have both Butler and DeRozen you can convince them to shoot 3s when the other is creating and BOTH can be average 3pt shooters which I think Spoelstra can get through to them. 2021, you have flexibility with DeRozen, and who knows, if Miami signs a big fish in the offseason, maybe DeRozen(who's cap hold would have to be released) and Lowery(who's best friends with DeRozen and good friends with Butler) sign lesser contracts for a title run in Miami.

Also, I think adding DeRozen will allow Butler to get more rest during games being the main playmaker(with Bam) when Butler is on the bench.

BTW... DeRozen had a TS% over 60 last year.

[RonaldSeikaly]

I agree with you that the guys we are offering up are not going to net us anybody who moves the needle much. I just see Dipo or Richardson as the upper limit of what we can hope to land with those players...at least until the trade deadline.

The one big thing this year, that may cause more discounts, is very few teams are willing to go into the tax. So good overpaid players that would send us into the tax (at least assuming we give balloon payments to Dragic and Crowder) will be available relatively cheaply asset wise. But with Carnival still shut down, I'm not sure how willing the Arisons are to go into the tax for an overpaid complementary piece.

I don't want to pay DeRozan to shoot 3s, and I don't believe a player's self assessment of what they could do. As you said, the value DeRozan is it would allow us to do significant load management of Jimmy. And if the league really is starting up before Christmas, that does have real value. But the price has to be right.

I assume KO opts in. And while he's overpayed, and not a perfect fit, I do think he fits and will get more consistent minutes than last year. Ideally we'd have a big that can shoot and be a rim protector at the 5 to really unleash Bam at the 4. But using KO at the 4 along with Crowder would be effective offensively and good enough defensively. We'd still need a rim protector/rebounder like Nerlens to backup Bam. But Bam can continue to play the 5 when on the court. I think Iggy is actually the less useful of the two expiring contracts.

[Kobewade11]

Two firsts for Holiday is an overpay. He’s not a star. Given a choice I’d go after Oladipo to keep flexibility for next summer.

[twix2500]

Two firsts for Holiday is an overpay. He’s not a star. Given a choice I’d go after Oladipo to keep flexibility for next summer.

We gave 2 first and norris coles for Dragic. Thats probably what the Heat are considering for Holiday. Role player and 2 first.

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[Wiltside]

So the hypothetical other suitors would most likely be Denver and Milwaukee.

Denver COULD opt to beat our offer if they included some of their young talent, but I find that unlikely. Would they trade MPJ?

Milwaukee doesn't really have a lot to offer than New Orleans would have interest in. Lopez maybe, given Zion doesn't space the floor? I dunno.

We'd be a decent shout tbh. My bigger concern is whether we'd be able to retain max space. Would require a Jrue opt out. I'd also like to include Redick in the package, particularly if we were parting with Duncan and/or Nunn.

[AirP.]

I don't want to pay DeRozan to shoot 3s, and I don't believe a player's self assessment of what they could do. As you said, the value DeRozan is it would allow us to do significant load management of Jimmy. And if the league really is starting up before Christmas, that does have real value. But the price has to be right.

His offensive game is a lot like Butler's, possibly better then Butler's, it's the defensive end where Butler outshines him, I just don't see much of a downside in the playoffs having 2 good/great wings other then they aren't great 3pt shooters, to me that's why you have the other 2 guards on the court shooting 3s. Had Miami had DeRozen in the finals instead of Nunn, it's quite possible that series goes 7 and who knows what happens in game 7.

DeRozen was/is a player who seemed to add to his game each summer, he's a hard worker and created a pretty good career for himself. If Miami could have a rotation of Butler, Bam, DeRozen, Dragic, Herro, Robinson, Crowder, Leonard or a defensive big, that's a much better team then they have now.

I'm advocating, something along the lines of Nunn, 2020 1st, Iggy and Olynyk for DeRozen. Miami can't trade the pick this year, but they can trade the player's rights so it would have to be agreed on during the draft. If someone happens to fall to Miami and they really like them, they could just scrap the trade.

BTW, here's JJ asking DeRozen about not shooting 3s...
32:42 is when he starts talking about it

Watch on YouTube

DeRozen is a hard worker and willing to add to his game, all you have to do is get him to believe it's good for his overall game and his team which I think Spoelstra could do.

[Kobewade11]

Two firsts for Holiday is an overpay. He’s not a star. Given a choice I’d go after Oladipo to keep flexibility for next summer.

We gave 2 first and norris coles for Dragic. Thats probably what the Heat are considering for Holiday. Role player and 2 first.

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I figured someone would quote me with “but Dragic”. That was a different time, a slightly more desperate Riley, and a completely different package. Dragic was 28, and the fact that we didnt surrender any players of value damn near made the two picks a steal. You dont give up two picks and a good rookie for Jrue Holiday.

[HeatIn5]

Sign Ibaka

Resign Gogi, Jae

Robinson (sorry bb), Nunn, DJJ (S&T), Kelly, 2025 unprotected, 2027 protected for Jrue, JJ Redick

Draft Quickley #20 - Sign 1 of Giles/Vonleh/Ojeleye


or draft Jalen Smith - Sign 1 of Ish/Augustin


Goran/Quickley
Jrue/Herro/Redick
Jimmy/Jae/Iggy
Crowder/Vonleh
Bam/Ibaka/Silva

Goran/Ish Smith
Jrue/Herro/Redick
Jimmy/Jae/Iggy
Crowder/Smith
Bam/Ibaka/Silva

[Beenie]

So the hypothetical other suitors would most likely be Denver and Milwaukee.

Denver COULD opt to beat our offer if they included some of their young talent, but I find that unlikely. Would they trade MPJ?

Milwaukee doesn't really have a lot to offer than New Orleans would have interest in. Lopez maybe, given Zion doesn't space the floor? I dunno.

We'd be a decent shout tbh. My bigger concern is whether we'd be able to retain max space. Would require a Jrue opt out. I'd also like to include Redick in the package, particularly if we were parting with Duncan and/or Nunn.

Brookyn has also been floated as a possible suitor with Lavert and or Dinwiddie as the likely bait.

I wonder too if Minnesota and Golden State have an interest in dangling their early picks for Jrue.

[Elnegron]

Duncan
20th pick
FFR
Nunn
DJJ (sign and trade)
Olynyk

for

Jrue
Reddick

Hard pass. You wanna get rid of Duncan,pick and nunn for 1 year of jrue?. Are u out of ur mind

[DayofMourning]

Fun to talk about. Riley will monitor. Price will be too high.

[Beenie]

Duncan
20th pick
FFR
Nunn
DJJ (sign and trade)
Olynyk

for

Jrue
Reddick

Hard pass. You wanna get rid of Duncan,pick and nunn for 1 year of jrue?. Are u out of ur mind

What makes you think Jrue wouldn't want to stay long term?

It's also fair to assume that if Riley were to pull this off, he would have some sort of an understanding with Jrue regarding an opt out and a resign.

Reddick replaces Duncan and offers similar production. He and Jimmy are buds, btw.

Nunn's contract is up after next season and figures to get a big increase. The focus obviously will be to sign a whale. With Jrue already on board, Nunn and his salary increase wont be necessary.

As for the pick, pfffftt. I like the idea of a few guys but I'll take Jrue.

[Elnegron]

Bleep jrue holiday. Our main goal should be giannis now or in 2021. We need to becareful with this deceptive run we had in the bubble to mess up our 2021 plans. First if u get jrue, he won't move the needle enough to beat what it's coming this season with lakers or gs or clippers and in the east Brooklyn. I am not saying that we can't beat them but we would need more for the cost they might ask. If you trade for jrue that has an extra year left, how the hale we go to bam and tell him wait for your extension next season. Last, jrue could potentially be a bad injury away from not opting out in 2021 which means bye bye 2021 free agency class. Ride this team for 1 more year and zero in on giannis

[HeatingUp3]

Why trade for Jrue? he is not that one piece we R missing. He means no cap space for Giannis and the price will be too high as well. Im not in.

[Elnegron]

Duncan
20th pick
FFR
Nunn
DJJ (sign and trade)
Olynyk

for

Jrue
Reddick

Hard pass. You wanna get rid of Duncan,pick and nunn for 1 year of jrue?. Are u out of ur mind

What makes you think Jrue wouldn't want to stay long term?

It's also fair to assume that if Riley were to pull this off, he would have some sort of an understanding with Jrue regarding an opt out and a resign.

Reddick replaces Duncan and offers similar production. He and Jimmy are buds, btw.

Nunn's contract is up after next season and figures to get a big increase. The focus obviously will be to sign a whale. With Jrue already on board, Nunn and his salary increase wont be necessary.

As for the pick, pfffftt. I like the idea of a few guys but I'll take Jrue.

Like I said jrue at age 31 will only be a rental. A rental that will cost dearly if he has a bad injury that prevent him from opting out. Nunn can be replace but Robinson is better than jj

[Bishop45]

Yames Harden can't play defense or pass, but brehs will give assets for DBook and DMitch who are worse in both aspects

Couldn't be me tbh

The foils of youth, Bish. People like to see what could be, rather than what is.

For what it’s worth, I’d take Harden or Book.

I know,

My inner me just wants to scowl at Harden haters until they admit that their hate isn't rooted in any rational basketball reasons

But that will never happen... For most

[Beenie]

Bleep jrue holiday. Our main goal should be giannis now or in 2021. We need to becareful with this deceptive run we had in the bubble to mess up our 2021 plans. First if u get jrue, he won't move the needle enough to beat what it's coming this season with lakers or gs or clippers and in the east Brooklyn. I am not saying that we can't beat them but we would need more for the cost they might ask. If you trade for jrue that has an extra year left, how the hale we go to bam and tell him wait for your extension next season. Last, jrue could potentially be a bad injury away from not opting out in 2021 which means bye bye 2021 free agency class. Ride this team for 1 more year and zero in on giannis

Jrue doesn't necessarily disrupt Mia's ability to go after Giannis or anyone else.

As far as injuries, we can ponder all kinds of scenarios of a key player getting hurt and it torpedoing the goals.

[Elnegron]

Bleep jrue holiday. Our main goal should be giannis now or in 2021. We need to becareful with this deceptive run we had in the bubble to mess up our 2021 plans. First if u get jrue, he won't move the needle enough to beat what it's coming this season with lakers or gs or clippers and in the east Brooklyn. I am not saying that we can't beat them but we would need more for the cost they might ask. If you trade for jrue that has an extra year left, how the hale we go to bam and tell him wait for your extension next season. Last, jrue could potentially be a bad injury away from not opting out in 2021 which means bye bye 2021 free agency class. Ride this team for 1 more year and zero in on giannis

Jrue doesn't necessarily disrupt Mia's ability to go after Giannis or anyone else.

As far as injuries, we can ponder all kinds of scenarios of a key player getting hurt and it torpedoing the goals.

I meant how u think bam is gonna feel if he doesn't get his extension this offseason?. You trade for jrue and he will ask for his security aka max deal

[Beenie]

Bleep jrue holiday. Our main goal should be giannis now or in 2021. We need to becareful with this deceptive run we had in the bubble to mess up our 2021 plans. First if u get jrue, he won't move the needle enough to beat what it's coming this season with lakers or gs or clippers and in the east Brooklyn. I am not saying that we can't beat them but we would need more for the cost they might ask. If you trade for jrue that has an extra year left, how the hale we go to bam and tell him wait for your extension next season. Last, jrue could potentially be a bad injury away from not opting out in 2021 which means bye bye 2021 free agency class. Ride this team for 1 more year and zero in on giannis

Jrue doesn't necessarily disrupt Mia's ability to go after Giannis or anyone else.

As far as injuries, we can ponder all kinds of scenarios of a key player getting hurt and it torpedoing the goals.

I meant how u think bam is gonna feel if he doesn't get his extension this offseason?. You trade for jrue and he will ask for his security aka max deal

This only makes sense if Mia loses their cap space.

They won't.

It's universally recognized that they want a crack at Giannis.

If they were to trade for Jrue, we can assume an understanding has been met between the two sides for him to opt out and resign.

If you pivot back to the injury argument, again, injuries to key players in any context are very bad and ruin plans.