Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[Papi_swav]

I don't see any other "contending team" that can put a better package for Jrue then us. I think he wants to be in Brooklyn. We might give him the best chance to win. Raps can probably put a good package together as well. I don't see GS giving up their #2 pick for Jrue.

[Prokorov]

I don't see any other "contending team" that can put a better package for Jrue then us. I think he wants to be in Brooklyn. We might give him the best chance to win. Raps can probably put a good package together as well. I don't see GS giving up their #2 pick for Jrue.

Raptors, Celtics, Heat, Bucks, Pacers, 76ers, dubs, Blazers all have better assets then us.

We dont have great assets. the few attractive players available on our end have issues that drastically diminish their value:
-Dinwiddie - rental/expiring who is a flight risk
-Allen - rental/expiring
-Levert - durabiltiy/injury/efficiency
-#19 pick = weak draft

our 2022 pick is attractive if no/light protection, but most contenders have that or better. Jrue leveraging his way here would help our cause. all things equal we would likely not have a top 2 offer if there is alot of interest

as far as the dubs, they would probably part with #2 for jrue if they got #13 and some filler back

[DarkXaero]

prokorov with his usual "undervalue the **** out of Nets' assets" rhetoric. Yawn.

[Papi_swav]

I don't see any other "contending team" that can put a better package for Jrue then us. I think he wants to be in Brooklyn. We might give him the best chance to win. Raps can probably put a good package together as well. I don't see GS giving up their #2 pick for Jrue.

Raptors, Celtics, Heat, Bucks, Pacers, 76ers, dubs, Blazers all have better assets then us.

We dont have great assets. the few attractive players available on our end have issues that drastically diminish their value:
-Dinwiddie - rental/expiring who is a flight risk
-Allen - rental/expiring
-Levert - durabiltiy/injury/efficiency
-#19 pick = weak draft

our 2022 pick is attractive if no/light protection, but most contenders have that or better. Jrue leveraging his way here would help our cause. all things equal we would likely not have a top 2 offer if there is alot of interest

as far as the dubs, they would probably part with #2 for jrue if they got #13 and some filler back

Who are the Celtics going to give up? Smart and a 14 isn't enough.

The Heat are not giving up Tyler Herro or Bam.

Who are the Bucks giving up? I don't think pels want Middleton and his large contract.

I doubt Pels want Horford and his large contract either so who else does sixers have besides Thybulle which isn't nearly enough value.

I already said Dubs and I don't see them giving up the #2.

I also said the Raps but I still think we have better assets, unless Pels want FVV on a sign and trade.

Unless the Pels want Oladipo or Miles Turner than no.

I don't see the Pels wanting CJ for Jrue either.

We're right on the top of that list, don't undervalue our guys. I would take Bucks, Heat, Celtics, Blazers and Philly off of that list.

[Prokorov]

Who are the Celtics going to give up? Smart and a 14 isn't enough.

Smart and #14 would absolutely be enough. Smart is a poor mans jrue 4 years younger and under contract plus a lotto pick. Boston could also sweeten with #26 and #30 or future firsts.

Who are the Bucks giving up? I don't think pels want Middleton and his large contract.

Bledsoe, Lopez, Hill, Divinvenzo

I doubt Pels want Horford and his large contract either so who else does sixers have besides Thybulle which isn't nearly enough value.

Thybule/Richardson/Zhaire smith

I already said Dubs and I don't see them giving up the #2.

Certainly would if #13 was coming back or wiggins was outgoing.

I also said the Raps but I still think we have better assets, unless Pels want FVV on a sign and trade.

better assets then us

Unless the Pels want Oladipo or Miles Turner than no.

Turner 10 times better then any asset we have

We're right on the top of that list, don't undervalue our guys. I would take Bucks, Heat, Celtics, Blazers and Philly off of that list.

Our guys are not high value. the decent guys we do have available are rentals or injury risk. that drastically minimizes what was already marginal value and on top of that are all horrible fits for the pels.

our best asset is 2022 without much protection. dont think that gets it done

[Prokorov]

prokorov with his usual "undervalue the **** out of Nets' assets" rhetoric. Yawn.

its fact.

dinwiddie = rental
allen = rental
levert = injury prone
#19 = non lotto in weak draft

these are not great assets.

[MGrand15]

I don't see any other "contending team" that can put a better package for Jrue then us. I think he wants to be in Brooklyn. We might give him the best chance to win. Raps can probably put a good package together as well. I don't see GS giving up their #2 pick for Jrue.

Raptors, Celtics, Heat, Bucks, Pacers, 76ers, dubs, Blazers all have better assets then us.

We dont have great assets. the few attractive players available on our end have issues that drastically diminish their value:
-Dinwiddie - rental/expiring who is a flight risk
-Allen - rental/expiring
-Levert - durabiltiy/injury/efficiency
-#19 pick = weak draft

our 2022 pick is attractive if no/light protection, but most contenders have that or better. Jrue leveraging his way here would help our cause. all things equal we would likely not have a top 2 offer if there is alot of interest

as far as the dubs, they would probably part with #2 for jrue if they got #13 and some filler back

By your logic, we have 0.0% chance of getting Jrue so it's a waste of time even discussing it.

Yes, those other teams have better assets. Are they willing to give them up for Jrue? Probably not.

[Trader_Joe]

You see the agenda and bias when Allen is called a rental/expiring despite being extendable or at worst RFA where cap will probably still be low and centers not valued or paid the way they were. As in, bird rights will rule and he could be a bargain at MLE type money. Big contracts will go elsewhere on the market....like wings and PGs.


However, Allen is a great modern young C and perfect for us and many teams. He was the best rebounder in the NBA in his 4 PO games and was #10 in the RS. His passing stepped up as well and has clearly learned from DJ. He's crazy efficient on offense, hits FTs and durable.

But, I would deal him for Holiday with Prince and Dinwiddie mainly because of payroll reasons and I think Din is highly expendable, and Prince garbage. Holiday's D and tenacity would be welcome. I don't think he gets paid another near max and might opt in as well.

[ecuhus1981]

Prok, you would do better to evaluate all teams by the same measure as you do your own team.

When we trade for the #14 pick, you say it's a trash draft and therefore a worthless pick. But when it's coming from another team, you appraise it as if a late lottery pick is the Ark of the Covenant.

Miami is not trading anything of substance for Jrue. Not Bam, not Robinson, not Herro. They have no future draft capital, so is capspace and Nunn better than our offer? No, no it isn't.

I actually agree with you, that Boston would rather keep Smart at his age and contract, than go for a marginal upgrade with an expiring contract who's 4 years older. They are already deep in the luxury tax, they're not going to dive deeper. But that just proves my point! They're not trading for Holiday.

In a vacuum, Bledsoe and Lopez are worth as much as Jrue. But does NOP want them? As a rebuilding squad, they are misfits. So then you offer to oxide a 3rd team, but who? I think you'll have a more difficult time than you think finding suitors for 30+ role players. The Bucks could string together enough salary, but Divincenzo is their only real "youth asset ". I don't think that gets it done either.

Philly could put together a decent package. Not better than us, but Richardson/Scott/Smith/Thybulle is respectable and matches salary. Philly has bigger fish to fry though, so any deal that doesn't send out one of their big contracts is DOA. Also, they are enabled with Matias, and wouldn't give him up for a rental.

How in the world is Wiggins/#2 for Holiday/#13 a better deal on your mind, than Dinwiddie/Temple/ Allen/#19 for Holiday??? You've said it yourself, this is a weak draft, the#2 pick didn't have the value it would in other years. And NOP is somehow going to love absorbing Andrew FREAKING Wiggins?!?! They already have to extend Ingram, they're not going to pile on a $29mil backup. Oh, and we don't ask them for the #13 pick, either.

I feel like you have a huge blind spot.

[ProspectPark]

Allen is easily our best and most important defensive player. He already has great chemistry with the team. Marks, Nash, and KD have all talked about the importance of continuity. All this trade talk is just noise. We already have the deepest roster in the league and we can still add more depth with the 19th pick and the MLE.

This year’s free agent class is stacked with bigs so in any trade, we wouldn’t be getting full value for him.

Most likely scenario is he signs the extension (4 years 40 with a player option). Even if he doesn’t start, he still plays 24+ minutes every night, and by next year, after getting some more playoff experience, he becomes our full time starting C for the next 4-5 years.

[Prokorov]

I don't see any other "contending team" that can put a better package for Jrue then us. I think he wants to be in Brooklyn. We might give him the best chance to win. Raps can probably put a good package together as well. I don't see GS giving up their #2 pick for Jrue.

Raptors, Celtics, Heat, Bucks, Pacers, 76ers, dubs, Blazers all have better assets then us.

We dont have great assets. the few attractive players available on our end have issues that drastically diminish their value:
-Dinwiddie - rental/expiring who is a flight risk
-Allen - rental/expiring
-Levert - durabiltiy/injury/efficiency
-#19 pick = weak draft

our 2022 pick is attractive if no/light protection, but most contenders have that or better. Jrue leveraging his way here would help our cause. all things equal we would likely not have a top 2 offer if there is alot of interest

as far as the dubs, they would probably part with #2 for jrue if they got #13 and some filler back

By your logic, we have 0.0% chance of getting Jrue so it's a waste of time even discussing it.

Yes, those other teams have better assets. Are they willing to give them up for Jrue? Probably not.

It isnt 0.0. but we would defintely trail other teams and would be a long shot unless Jrue came out and said trade me to the Nets or "i wont resign with anyone but brookln". Then we are in business

otherwise we would need to expand to a 3 or 4 team deal to reroute assets that fit the pelicans and would need to give up multipl future first with light protections.

[Prokorov]

Prok, you would do better to evaluate all teams by the same measure as you do your own team.

When we trade for the #14 pick, you say it's a trash draft and therefore a worthless pick. But when it's coming from another team, you appraise it as if a late lottery pick is the Ark of the Covenant.

I never said that #14 was some great asset. but #14 is still better than #19 and further so if you add #26 and #29.

How in the world is Wiggins/#2 for Holiday/#13 a better deal on your mind, than Dinwiddie/Temple/ Allen/#19 for Holiday??? You've said it yourself, this is a weak draft, the#2 pick didn't have the value it would in other years. And NOP is somehow going to love absorbing Andrew FREAKING Wiggins?!?! They already have to extend Ingram, they're not going to pile on a $29mil backup. Oh, and we don't ask them for the #13 pick, either.

I feel like you have a huge blind spot.

its a weak draft but #2 on a 3 year deal plus team options is still infinetly better then a rental of dinwiddie/allen and #19. and Dinwiddies valyue to a team like NO is zero, since they are not win now and would need to pay to keep him. they would be better off waiting a year to try and sign him if he is a player they covet. Allen makes 0 sense on their roster with Favors/Hayes and maybe going small at times with zion at the 5.

Temple can not be added to this trade. since we are a tax team we can not perform sign and trades of outgoing players.

[MrDollarBills]

The Pelicans already have Hayes who is on a rookie contract, so them trading for Allen seems nonsensical.

We need to keep Allen anyway imo. Some of yall put a lot of trust in DeAndre Jordan being able to hold up, I don't. It took half a season for Jordan to actually start playing well.

[Prokorov]

The Pelicans already have Hayes who is on a rookie contract, so them trading for Allen seems nonsensical.

We need to keep Allen anyway imo. Some of yall put a lot of trust in DeAndre Jordan being able to hold up, I don't. It took half a season for Jordan to actually start playing well.

For me, It not about Jordan. Its about the C spot not being nearly as important as G/F. What Jrue would bring we dont have and is very difficult to find. I think we could add Baynes and Draft the next Allen at #19 and not lose much and maybe even add another dynamic if Baynes can continue to increase his range shooting.

You put Baynes, who hits from like 35% from deep in a lineup with KD/Kyrie and a pair of wing shooters and thats really tough to stop while also having a solid defender in Baynes on the other end. Olynk would be another floor spacing 5 option and then there are the Allen types like plumlee and Christian Wood.

Look, you know me, ive been a huge allen fan since i wanted to move up to get him on draft day. I was defending him with you to the death while some here wanted to trade or cut him so claxton could take his minutes. But really, what we gain on the wing would impact us much more and you can find 80% of allen in FA/Draft or add a shooting dynamic and not lose much or even gain and then DJ is some insurance even if he misses time

[ProspectPark]

The Pelicans already have Hayes who is on a rookie contract, so them trading for Allen seems nonsensical.

We need to keep Allen anyway imo. Some of yall put a lot of trust in DeAndre Jordan being able to hold up, I don't. It took half a season for Jordan to actually start playing well.

Agree we should keep Allen, but I’m sure Marks would sign another big in FA. This year’s free agent class is loaded with bigs.

Baynes
Biyombo
Cousins
Favors
Gasol
Giles
Harrell
Henson
Howard
Ibaka
JaM
Len
Leonard
Mahinmi
Millsap
Noel
Plumlee
Tristan
WCS
Whiteside
Wood

If a real 3&D wing (not Jrue) became available, and we had to include Allen, we would obviously do it, and then sign another C in free agency. I doubt it would just be DJ and Clax all year.

[DarkXaero]

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That's basically what I proposed months ago...

[MrDollarBills]

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That's basically what I proposed months ago...

Doesn't Caris have a trade kicker???

[DarkXaero]

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That's basically what I proposed months ago...

Doesn't Caris have a trade kicker???

Nope.

[DarkXaero]

Another very low-key name that I think we should take a look at (and Marks definitely will) is Shaquille Harrison. He's 6'5", really good & active defender, and offensively, he's not good by any means, but has shown signs of improvement and posted average efficiency last season. The weird thing is that he barely got any minutes with Bulls (only 11.3 MPG) but the sample size tells us that the guy is a very good defender, and his 3pt shot isn't a lost cause (like Dunn). Issue is that just like Dunn, he's a RFA so Chicago has rights to match. I think Chicago will make a choice between Dunn & Harrison as they're both similar type of players (they probably pick Harrison as he'd be cheaper).

[drchaos]

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That's basically what I proposed months ago...

As much as I love Levert for us I think I would go with that deal.

I would prefer not to include Rodi as part of the filler.