2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

[HiRez]

What is this crazy talk of the Dubs trading up and giving Minny their 2021 pick back? That's pure insanity, that pick is gold, and Wiseman nor anyone else in this draft is worth that. If that happens, I'm done with this team because that basically means the ghost of Chris Cohan has possessed Joe Lacob, but 99.999999% sure that deal wouldn't happen in a million years so not worried about it.

[jason bourne]

Oy vey. I'm discussing Wiseman again.

Anyway, it's not negative. Here's what the Hornets fans have on him -- https://www.atthehive.com/2020/8/13/21363518/2020-charlotte-hornets-scouting-report-james-wiseman-memphis. Would they give up Miles Bridges to trade up one? I dunno. If any of the Ringer vid is true about his shooting, then they may. They already don't believe his ball handling.

[Little Digger]

It will be the knicks who move up..why you ask? They need a name desperately

[whatisacenter]

What is this crazy talk of the Dubs trading up and giving Minny their 2021 pick back? That's pure insanity, that pick is gold, and Wiseman nor anyone else in this draft is worth that. If that happens, I'm done with this team because that basically means the ghost of Chris Cohan has possessed Joe Lacob, but 99.999999% sure that deal wouldn't happen in a million years so not worried about it.

It’s a Wolves fan who broght it up and no it’s not credible.

[KGdaBom]

We disagree. Just because a Center is not a star perimeter defender doesn't negate his value. I'd be happy to have Gobert despite him not being a great perimeter defender. As a Wolves fan despite my appreciation of Wiseman and us having KAT I would trade #1 for Gobert. There's only one Anthony Davis in the NBA. Wiseman is a vastly superior prospect to Edwards. If you can trick Charlotte into believing you won't draft Wiseman more power to you. I don't think the Hornets would fall for it. They will make an offer to Minnesota that will be acceptable to the Wolves. If the Warriors don't beat that offer, which wouldn't be hard to do, that will be a mistake.

The Warriors have been linked to about every prospect in this draft and have been rumored to like or dislike all of them so nobody knows who they are aiming for. I also don't believe it would take a star player to get the Warriors to trade down from 2 but a player like Oubre, Mitchell Robinson or the like. The only scenario I haven't heard is the team trading UP except from Wolves fans who want their 2021 pick back or the pick protections expanded.

The TWolves aren't picking the player the Ws want in James Wiseman, so no need to trade. They think Ball is the player most teams want. Their 2021 pick and the #2 pick would be the price for Wiseman. I wouldn't trade their 2021 pick back to them for Wiseman. They could have Kevon Looney (painful salary dump) + #2 for #1.

The need to trade is to beat Charlottes offer, because Charlotte is drafting the guy the the Ws want.

[KGdaBom]

I’m pretty sure we’ll be ok with either Edwards or wiseman. Wiseman is not a sure fire all star. If he struggles to defend on the perimeter he may not even be able to finish games.

And yes I believe gobert is part of the reason Utah struggles in the playoffs because of his inability to guard the perimeter.

We disagree. Just because a Center is not a star perimeter defender doesn't negate his value. I'd be happy to have Gobert despite him not being a great perimeter defender. As a Wolves fan despite my appreciation of Wiseman and us having KAT I would trade #1 for Gobert. There's only one Anthony Davis in the NBA. Wiseman is a vastly superior prospect to Edwards. If you can trick Charlotte into believing you won't draft Wiseman more power to you. I don't think the Hornets would fall for it. They will make an offer to Minnesota that will be acceptable to the Wolves. If the Warriors don't beat that offer, which wouldn't be hard to do, that will be a mistake.

Yea that’s where we disagree. Gobert is a great regular season player but has massive matchup issues in the playoffs. There’s no way I would max out gobert because of those issues. I wouldn’t want to have to think I have to sit down a max slot player because he’s constantly giving up open shots. Like letting Jamal go crazy.

As for wiseman if he has those same defensive issues which is likely he’s probably not worth drafting at 2. But I’m willing to gamble that he can because if he can he’s a star. But if he’s not there I’m fine with taking Edwards or Deni.

You'd have to get both of them to equal one Wiseman. What good is guarding the perimeter when your opponents can take the ball to the rim with impunity. Like I said there is only one Anthony Davis in the NBA. If you don't think Gobert is valuable just because he's not a good perimeter defender than you are completely ignoring him being the best interior defender in the league.

[KGdaBom]

The Warriors have been linked to about every prospect in this draft and have been rumored to like or dislike all of them so nobody knows who they are aiming for. I also don't believe it would take a star player to get the Warriors to trade down from 2 but a player like Oubre, Mitchell Robinson or the like. The only scenario I haven't heard is the team trading UP except from Wolves fans who want their 2021 pick back or the pick protections expanded.

The TWolves aren't picking the player the Ws want in James Wiseman, so no need to trade. They think Ball is the player most teams want. Their 2021 pick and the #2 pick would be the price for Wiseman. I wouldn't trade their 2021 pick back to them for Wiseman. They could have Kevon Looney (painful salary dump) + #2 for #1.

Let me help you out here.

The idea of trading up to #1 (which I'm NOT an advocate of) isn't because we'd expect Minnesota to take and keep him; it's predicated on the idea that somebody such as Charlotte would trade with Minnesota to get the #1 pick, and THAT TEAM would take him.

Which - just to make sure it's clear - would mean Wiseman wouldn't be available for the Warriors at #2.

So our trading up to #1 would be to eliminate any risk that somebody else would trade up to #1, and "take Wiseman away from us".

Again, I wouldn't do this. I'm just explaining the logic behind this.

Somebody who gets it.

[KGdaBom]

How sure are you that he’ll be able to switch onto the perimeter and not be a complete mismatch out there?

There is no perfect draft pick. Guarding the perimeter will be doable for Wiseman, but a bit of a struggle. His value will be in protecting the rim, being a huge rebounding force, rim running and adequate shooting on offense. A longer David Robinson, Chris Bosh or LaMarcus Aldridge. A pretty certain all star within 4 years.

Wiseman delusion syndrome doesn't seem to be limited to the Warriors board. You're trying to sell us on the idea of Wiseman being a more physically dominant version of D-Rob, Bosh, or Aldridge. In that case, you should be praying the Wolves trade Towns and cash in his value, pick Wiseman at the #1 and build from there. Wiseman could be great, but I really doubt he's an All-Star in 4 years and your projection of him puts him in GOAT big man territory. That's not happening.

He's a longer version of those guys who just might be able to develop the same skills. He's certainly not there yet. However, he is light years ahead of Ball, Edwards and Deni as a prospect. Imagine if does live up to the potential and is a GOAT Big Man. I believe it's in the Wolves best interest to play him and KAT together. KAT is one of the best 3 point shooters in the league so let Wiseman get more of the post time.

[KGdaBom]

The Warriors have been linked to about every prospect in this draft and have been rumored to like or dislike all of them so nobody knows who they are aiming for. I also don't believe it would take a star player to get the Warriors to trade down from 2 but a player like Oubre, Mitchell Robinson or the like. The only scenario I haven't heard is the team trading UP except from Wolves fans who want their 2021 pick back or the pick protections expanded.

They wouldn't trade #2 for Oubre and I really like Oubre. If the Warriors aren't idiots and they have the option to draft Wiseman that's who they are drafting. All indications are they aren't idiots. He's by far the best prospect and by far the best fit. If all it takes to beat out Charlotte is expanding protection on the Wolves pick and they decline that gets into the idiot territory again.

it would be #2 + TPE for #10 + Oubre. No chance the Warriors trade up. If you think Wiseman is the best by a long shot then pick him at 1 and keep/trade him. I would be good with Edwards/Ball/Deni/Okoro/OO at 2 for the Warriors to trade/pick.

If I were running the Wolves I would take and keep Wiseman, but the idea of playing two bigs might not work for Rosas.You can settle for those guys or you can get by far the best at your by far biggest position of need. The Choice is the Warriors, because they can beat a Charlotte offer simply by having 2 to offer instead of 3.

[KGdaBom]

What is this crazy talk of the Dubs trading up and giving Minny their 2021 pick back? That's pure insanity, that pick is gold, and Wiseman nor anyone else in this draft is worth that. If that happens, I'm done with this team because that basically means the ghost of Chris Cohan has possessed Joe Lacob, but 99.999999% sure that deal wouldn't happen in a million years so not worried about it.

It’s a Wolves fan who bright it up and no it’s not credible.

if you're talking about me I didn't bring it up. Go back and check. Would I like it? Sure. What's realistic is expanded protection on the pick. How much expansion on the protection would be negotiated. I do believe it would be foolish of the Warriors to pass on Wiseman at that little of a price.

[whatisacenter]

The TWolves aren't picking the player the Ws want in James Wiseman, so no need to trade. They think Ball is the player most teams want. Their 2021 pick and the #2 pick would be the price for Wiseman. I wouldn't trade their 2021 pick back to them for Wiseman. They could have Kevon Looney (painful salary dump) + #2 for #1.

Let me help you out here.

The idea of trading up to #1 (which I'm NOT an advocate of) isn't because we'd expect Minnesota to take and keep him; it's predicated on the idea that somebody such as Charlotte would trade with Minnesota to get the #1 pick, and THAT TEAM would take him.

Which - just to make sure it's clear - would mean Wiseman wouldn't be available for the Warriors at #2.

So our trading up to #1 would be to eliminate any risk that somebody else would trade up to #1, and "take Wiseman away from us".

Again, I wouldn't do this. I'm just explaining the logic behind this.

Somebody who gets it.

I think most people “get it” but nobody believes their is a chance in hell of the warriors trading up. I think that you’re hoping there will be a bidding war between the Hornets and the warriors for no 1 but I wouldn’t hold your breath.

[KGdaBom]

Let me help you out here.

The idea of trading up to #1 (which I'm NOT an advocate of) isn't because we'd expect Minnesota to take and keep him; it's predicated on the idea that somebody such as Charlotte would trade with Minnesota to get the #1 pick, and THAT TEAM would take him.

Which - just to make sure it's clear - would mean Wiseman wouldn't be available for the Warriors at #2.

So our trading up to #1 would be to eliminate any risk that somebody else would trade up to #1, and "take Wiseman away from us".

Again, I wouldn't do this. I'm just explaining the logic behind this.

Somebody who gets it.

I think most people “get it” but nobody believes their is a chance in hell of the warriors trading up. I think that you’re hoping there will be a bidding war between the Hornets and the warriors for no 1 but I wouldn’t hold your breath.

The only reason there would not be a bidding competition (war is far too strong a word) is if the Warriors are idiotic enough to just let Charlotte get him without even trying. They hold the cards over Charlotte by having #2 vs #3. I'm not saying the offer is huge or anything. I'm just saying the Warriors should at least try. Otherwise Charlotte gets Wiseman and Warriors have to settle. Maybe it's just GS's own FRP next year which of course will be #30 .

[Swift21]

Let me help you out here.

The idea of trading up to #1 (which I'm NOT an advocate of) isn't because we'd expect Minnesota to take and keep him; it's predicated on the idea that somebody such as Charlotte would trade with Minnesota to get the #1 pick, and THAT TEAM would take him.

Which - just to make sure it's clear - would mean Wiseman wouldn't be available for the Warriors at #2.

So our trading up to #1 would be to eliminate any risk that somebody else would trade up to #1, and "take Wiseman away from us".

Again, I wouldn't do this. I'm just explaining the logic behind this.

Somebody who gets it.

I think most people “get it” but nobody believes their is a chance in hell of the warriors trading up. I think that you’re hoping there will be a bidding war between the Hornets and the warriors for no 1 but I wouldn’t hold your breath.

Yeah he's hoping they can get their 2021 1st round pick back. Not happening.

[jason bourne]

The Warriors have been linked to about every prospect in this draft and have been rumored to like or dislike all of them so nobody knows who they are aiming for. I also don't believe it would take a star player to get the Warriors to trade down from 2 but a player like Oubre, Mitchell Robinson or the like. The only scenario I haven't heard is the team trading UP except from Wolves fans who want their 2021 pick back or the pick protections expanded.

The TWolves aren't picking the player the Ws want in James Wiseman, so no need to trade. They think Ball is the player most teams want. Their 2021 pick and the #2 pick would be the price for Wiseman. I wouldn't trade their 2021 pick back to them for Wiseman. They could have Kevon Looney (painful salary dump) + #2 for #1.

The need to trade is to beat Charlottes offer, because Charlotte is drafting the guy the the Ws want.

Haha . Go ahead an take James Wiseman at #1 then. He could be another KAT as per the Ringer vid.

The Hornets aren't trading for him with your team. The Hornets said they would be happy with LaMelo Ball or Anthony Edwards. The Warriors will likely take LaMelo Ball to use as backup PG or in a later trade. They also could deal LaMelo to the Knicks on draft day.

The TWolves will likely take LaMelo Ball as he's the most tradeable asset.

[jason bourne]

What is this crazy talk of the Dubs trading up and giving Minny their 2021 pick back? That's pure insanity, that pick is gold, and Wiseman nor anyone else in this draft is worth that. If that happens, I'm done with this team because that basically means the ghost of Chris Cohan has possessed Joe Lacob, but 99.999999% sure that deal wouldn't happen in a million years so not worried about it.

It’s a Wolves fan who bright it up and no it’s not credible.

if you're talking about me I didn't bring it up. Go back and check. Would I like it? Sure. What's realistic is expanded protection on the pick. How much expansion on the protection would be negotiated. I do believe it would be foolish of the Warriors to pass on Wiseman at that little of a price.

You still don't get it. Nothing happens until the TWolves take James Wiseman as the #1 pick. In this case, the Ws or Hornets are trading for the draft rights. Then something may or may not happen.

[Onus]

We disagree. Just because a Center is not a star perimeter defender doesn't negate his value. I'd be happy to have Gobert despite him not being a great perimeter defender. As a Wolves fan despite my appreciation of Wiseman and us having KAT I would trade #1 for Gobert. There's only one Anthony Davis in the NBA. Wiseman is a vastly superior prospect to Edwards. If you can trick Charlotte into believing you won't draft Wiseman more power to you. I don't think the Hornets would fall for it. They will make an offer to Minnesota that will be acceptable to the Wolves. If the Warriors don't beat that offer, which wouldn't be hard to do, that will be a mistake.

Yea that’s where we disagree. Gobert is a great regular season player but has massive matchup issues in the playoffs. There’s no way I would max out gobert because of those issues. I wouldn’t want to have to think I have to sit down a max slot player because he’s constantly giving up open shots. Like letting Jamal go crazy.

As for wiseman if he has those same defensive issues which is likely he’s probably not worth drafting at 2. But I’m willing to gamble that he can because if he can he’s a star. But if he’s not there I’m fine with taking Edwards or Deni.

You'd have to get both of them to equal one Wiseman. What good is guarding the perimeter when your opponents can take the ball to the rim with impunity. Like I said there is only one Anthony Davis in the NBA. If you don't think Gobert is valuable just because he's not a good perimeter defender than you are completely ignoring him being the best interior defender in the league.

Or we could just sign Dwight or favors for the vet min or part of the tax payer mle and get the same production.

Again gobert is great for the regular season. In the playoffs his defense gets exploited constantly. Jamal Murray was made to look like mj. They tried their hardest to not matchup with Houston because they knew harden would expose him again.

[Onus]

Somebody who gets it.

I think most people “get it” but nobody believes their is a chance in hell of the warriors trading up. I think that you’re hoping there will be a bidding war between the Hornets and the warriors for no 1 but I wouldn’t hold your breath.

The only reason there would not be a bidding competition (war is far too strong a word) is if the Warriors are idiotic enough to just let Charlotte get him without even trying. They hold the cards over Charlotte by having #2 vs #3. I'm not saying the offer is huge or anything. I'm just saying the Warriors should at least try. Otherwise Charlotte gets Wiseman and Warriors have to settle. Maybe it's just GS's own FRP next year which of course will be #30 .

This would assume the warriors or even Charlotte covets wiseman to trade any asset for him rather than just taking who’s available. There are serviceable centers for the vet min every year

[Coxy]

My updated big board - 5/11/2020

1. James Wiseman - David Robinson
2. Anthony Edwards - Victor Oladipo
3. Patrick Williams - Gerald Wallace
4. Killian Hayes - Manu Ginobili
5. Isaac Okoro - Andre Iguodala
6. Obi Toppin - Amare Stoudemire
7. Deni Avdija - Wally Szczerbiak
8. Saddiq Bey - Robert Covington
9. Onyeka Okongwu - Antonio McDyess
10. Jalen Smith - Marcus Camby
11. Tyrese Haliburton - Michael Carter-Williams
12. LaMello Ball - Jason Williams
13. Devin Vassell - Raja Bell
14. Precious Achiuwa - Kenneth Farried

Wiseman is by far the best player in this draft at the Warriors greatest position of need. It's a complete no brainer for them to draft him. The problem is that the Hornets have the same situation and will make Minnesota an offer they can't pass on to swap picks. It will be on the Warriors to decide if they're willing to make the Wolves a better offer.

I think our front office will be happy to select either of Wiseman or Edwards. I really can't see Myers, Lacob and Kerr caring what Minnesota do either way, we still get one of them.

Edit - In fact, I'd be more concerned about Rosas making a mistake and drafting Wiseman and then trading him for whatever you get + #3 from Charlotte. I don't think a new GM can afford to trade away a future all star in his 1st draft. If he takes Wiseman, he should keep him. If he takes Edwards (Which makes sense after Malik Beasley has gone full mental case), then that would also be smart. Either way, I think a trade with Charlotte would be a mistake, that's just me though.

[whatisacenter]

What is this crazy talk of the Dubs trading up and giving Minny their 2021 pick back? That's pure insanity, that pick is gold, and Wiseman nor anyone else in this draft is worth that. If that happens, I'm done with this team because that basically means the ghost of Chris Cohan has possessed Joe Lacob, but 99.999999% sure that deal wouldn't happen in a million years so not worried about it.

It’s a Wolves fan who bright it up and no it’s not credible.

if you're talking about me I didn't bring it up. Go back and check. Would I like it? Sure. What's realistic is expanded protection on the pick. How much expansion on the protection would be negotiated. I do believe it would be foolish of the Warriors to pass on Wiseman at that little of a price.

I enjoy visiting the Wolves board and having other teams fans posting here but I have never seen a Warriors fan proposing trading up. There was talk about trading back with the Hornets and there are people on here who feel like Wiseman is the best prospect and some who want nothing to do with him but nobody wants to trade up. By the way, I still think there is a better chance of the Warriors trading back or out of the draft than staying at 2.

[jason bourne]

Looks like the draft is shaping up:

"Strauss adds that Avdija is believed to prefer to land with the Warriors, who worked him out last month.

Speaking of the Warriors, as they mull the possibility of trading down from No. 2, Jonathan Wasserman of Bleacher Report says there are definitely players they like who will be available in the mid-to-late lottery range. If they remain at No. 2, James Wiseman is probably the favorite, according to Wasserman, who hears Golden State is higher on Wiseman than Anthony Edwards. The team is also believed to be high on Avdija and Devin Vassell, Wasserman adds.

Wasserman provides a few more interesting tidbits within his latest mock draft for Bleacher Report, writing that Patrick Williams has become a “coveted target” for the Pistons, the Suns have legit interest in Kira Lewis, and the Kings are heavily weighing analytics as they mull their draft options. Previous reports indicated that Williams is in play for Detroit at No. 7 and that Phoenix has interviewed Lewis more than once.

Projected lottery pick Onyeka Okongwu has recently met with the Hornets, Spurs, and Wizards and will meet with the Cavaliers this week, tweets Wasserman. Teams believe that Okongwu could come off the board as high as No. 3 to Charlotte and is unlikely to fall past Washington at No. 9, Wasserman notes (via Twitter).

ESPN’s Zach Lowe doesn’t expect any teams with first-round picks to sell them, but wouldn’t be surprised if some clubs look to swap a late first-rounder for a “roughly equivalent” future pick. And it’s a safe bet that a number of second-rounders will be sold for cash."

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/11/draft-rumors-avdija-warriors-okongwu-trades-more.html