2020 Presidential Election Thread: IT'S THE FINAL (vote) COUNTDOWN! [update pg 61: Joe Biden elected 46th POTUS]

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Dem party identity over the next 4 years will be interesting

I’ve listened to a lot of interviews with Trump supporters, swing voters whatever the **** you want to call them and it’s blatantly obvious that a huge reason for Trump’s success was that Republicans were able to make Democrats the Party of AOC, Bernie Sanders, and Elizabeth Warren, Biden. These aren’t some dumb yokels either, but the propaganda was successful. This is not about policy anymore, it’s about emotions and partisanship. You can’t blame Progressives for losing House seats that they didn’t run in, but Democrats need to figure out a national platform quick that appeals to everyone and let candidates adapt to the states they’re in or they’ll continue to bleed support in red/purple states.

How can one party be both the party of AOC and Biden?

That should read not Biden. But their explanation for Biden was that he was a Trojan horse for Ultra Liberal Kamala Harris

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Plan A & B have failed, so time for Plan F!

This is plan Batman symbol. Nothing logically consistent at all with what they’re doing

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Dem party identity over the next 4 years will be interesting

I’ve listened to a lot of interviews with Trump supporters, swing voters whatever the **** you want to call them and it’s blatantly obvious that a huge reason for Trump’s success was that Republicans were able to make Democrats the Party of AOC, Bernie Sanders, and Elizabeth Warren, Biden. These aren’t some dumb yokels either, but the propaganda was successful. This is not about policy anymore, it’s about emotions and partisanship. You can’t blame Progressives for losing House seats that they didn’t run in, but Democrats need to figure out a national platform quick that appeals to everyone and let candidates adapt to the states they’re in or they’ll continue to bleed support in red/purple states.

How can one party be both the party of AOC and Biden?

Hip hop made inroads into country music. You could rebrand patriotism as a progressive value. AOC would look very hot in a stars and stripes jumpsuit. GOP had a 40 year marketing plan. The Dems did not. They need one.

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Biden came out a few minutes ago saying he was briefed on Corona this AM and was telling everyone to stay calm while the process works itself out. Weird to see someone that actually looks presidential at the podium after 3.5 years of constant chaos and fire.

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Biden came out a few minutes ago saying he was briefed on Corona this AM and was telling everyone to stay calm while the process works itself out. Weird to see someone that actually looks presidential at the podium after 3.5 years of constant chaos and fire.

The good thing is Biden will be getting upgraded briefings the next two and a half months after the election is called shortly.

It will allow him to address the public directly during that time. Normally, an incoming president would not do that during the transition period, but we know the Trump crew are going to be burning records and trashing everything on their way out the door. Therefore, Biden should take the lead and start his presidency ahead of schedule via the internet.

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I’ve listened to a lot of interviews with Trump supporters, swing voters whatever the **** you want to call them and it’s blatantly obvious that a huge reason for Trump’s success was that Republicans were able to make Democrats the Party of AOC, Bernie Sanders, and Elizabeth Warren, Biden. These aren’t some dumb yokels either, but the propaganda was successful. This is not about policy anymore, it’s about emotions and partisanship. You can’t blame Progressives for losing House seats that they didn’t run in, but Democrats need to figure out a national platform quick that appeals to everyone and let candidates adapt to the states they’re in or they’ll continue to bleed support in red/purple states.

How can one party be both the party of AOC and Biden?

That should read not Biden. But their explanation for Biden was that he was a Trojan horse for Ultra Liberal Kamala Harris

Thanks for clarifying.

I know that Trump made the "Trojan Horse" argument, but I think you have to be willfully ignorant to believe that. I think you had to be Trump leaning to begin with, and all that entails, and just needed a permission structure to justify that.

It's kind of like this Aziz bit.

https://youtu.be/hkUZlaWQkmY?t=143

I mean, we can retool the Dem platform for sure, but are we really going to progress as a party if we ignore race and injustice, both economic and legal, in favor of making the impotent feel important? Is it that simple?

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I am done with underestimating how many chitty Americans there are. This country is full of creeps.

I’ll fully co-sign that this is a country full of creeps

My thing is that the Democratic party’s strategy has all too often wasted resources on trying to appease the creeps at the expense of trying to build new voting blocs or strengthen existing and growing voter blocs.

I'm completely in agreement with you. And my agreement remains congruent with my take on this election, i.e. we weren't going to get enough of those Trump voters with other strategies this time. At least, not enough to move the needle in Senate races like IA and ME. IOW, I'm not sure strategy would have cleared the bar for a Senate majority anyway and this is because the record vote was on both sides. Republicans did vote in bigger numbers than before. The divide is so hardened now, more so than any time in our lifetimes, that, yeah, it will be necessary to cultivate the next group of new voters until you can outvote them every single time. That's the only way you're going to progress liberal candidates up the the food chain from local to national prominence.

P.S. Like GONYK, I don't think taking a stand on SCOTUS would have been a good idea. Saying he'd pack the courts would have lost more votes IMO.

The talk of packing the courts made me want to claw my **** eyes out every time it was brought up. It’s a **** twitter reactionism at its finest and it would have been a complete loser. Anyone supporting Court packing was already voting for Biden anyway and it might have just left some people staying at home. Imagine if Biden had started talking about packing the courts and Republicans kept control of the Senate. I knew it was a setup and I’m glad Biden wasn’t stupid enough to walk into the buzzsaw. Joe Biden played his part, he was the quarterback who was a game manager, kept it steady and that’s what was needed at the top of the ticket. Yeah he didn’t excite anyone, but that type of think was always fools gold.

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There it is as usual. Terrible centrist candidates blaming progressives for their own failure to connect with their own constituents. They think if they become more republican that republicans will vote for them and lose election after election but never learn. That's on them, not progressives...who actually won another House seat and even in a deep red state this election...

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whats Alaska's excuse? Polar and Black Bears ate them?

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whats Alaska's excuse? Polar and Black Bears ate them?

Dunno, but I hear they're making a documentary about the process:

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I don't disagree on critiques 1 and 2.

On 3, I feel a little "meh" about.

If you judge Trump solely on policy or are open to Trump despite his conduct, I think your moral compass is broken at best and you are a racist at worst. The middle of that is that you are ignorant.

I don't know how much you can appeal to those people without compromising yourself as a candidate. A candidate that looks like he's going to win by 4M+ votes

I am done with underestimating how many chitty Americans there are. This country is full of creeps.

I hope a lot of others feel the same way. Just everybody facing up to this I think has potential to go a long way in helping us move forward with some better solutions. 4 years ago it seemed like nobody really wanted to admit it to themselves as the major focus seemed to be Russia and the idea they manipulated a lot of people. Not to re-litigate that whole thing. But nobody seemed to want to accept that tens of millions of people voted for Trump and what that says about us as a society, saying "this is not who we are" well...this is who we are. I used to guess "maybe they just wanted a change, didn't think he would really be this bad, thought he was a good businessman, just didn't like hillary clinton" and my attempts to rationalize it are clearly debunked as well

Now it's undeniable that even after 4 years of these nightmarish conditions damn near 70 million voted to keep this going. Way more people than the first time, with no excuses . So we have to confront this head on, and soon as possible, figure out exactly what conditions are driving people to turn to far right reactionary ideology and what kind of platform and message can win a lot of them back, bring new people into the fold and turn them away from continuing the ideology of Trump before they drive us all off the cliff permanently

This election is a disappointment, but in the way you're framing it it is a splash of cold water to the face. The divide is real and it is becoming fascist vs. non-fascist after all. Before this election, I was starting to feel more optimistic that a sweep would allow the Dems to fix many things, revamp their party in the process and give even GOP voters a feeling of reassurance that things were better this way. I was ready to leave the country, then I softened and figured it might actually get better, but now I'm pretty convinced this country remains in extreme danger of lapsing into authoritarian rule in the future due to so many people voting for Trump this time.

I won't even get into what to do about it. Just saying I don't feel optimistic and I will be looking to settle in another country as soon as I can manage it.

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GA down to 9.5k separation....

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GA down to 9.5k separation....

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How can one party be both the party of AOC and Biden?

That should read not Biden. But their explanation for Biden was that he was a Trojan horse for Ultra Liberal Kamala Harris

Thanks for clarifying.

I know that Trump made the "Trojan Horse" argument, but I think you have to be willfully ignorant to believe that. I think you had to be Trump leaning to begin with, and all that entails, and just needed a permission structure to justify that.

It's kind of like this Aziz bit.

https://youtu.be/hkUZlaWQkmY?t=143

I mean, we can retool the Dem platform for sure, but are we really going to progress as a party if we ignore race and injustice, both economic and legal, in favor of making the impotent feel important? Is it that simple?

Whether or not you believe everyone was telling truth a common refrain was that Joe Biden was fine but the Democrats had gone too far! Of course it doesn’t make **** sense but the right wing has created an ecosystem of propaganda that seeps into the mainstream. Democrats should never stop talking about social issues, but they need a national platform that appeals to everyone in every district and state. Take a page out of Donald Trump’s book, there were positions he took that had crossover appeal. Anti corruption, focused on the economy, pro jobs, pro business, tough on China.

He was completely full of **** and a failure on every single one of these issues but it’s an effective appeal to emotion across different groups. Not every black person only cares about criminal justice reform, not every Hispanic voter only cares about immigration reform. A lot of white voters don’t give a **** about either. There needs to be national messaging that can be tailored to specific states and demographics, and then candidates can also tailor their message to the specific state or county. I have some ideas on what it can be but Democrats need to get better marketing across board. There are 63+ million people who tacitly endorsed a racist and Facist imbecile. And I’m sure there were millions more on the fence. That’s a scary thought and the current model obviously isn’t working.

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Ossof officially heading to a runoff


Stacy Abrams getting ready to make 2 kings in January

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That should read not Biden. But their explanation for Biden was that he was a Trojan horse for Ultra Liberal Kamala Harris

Thanks for clarifying.

I know that Trump made the "Trojan Horse" argument, but I think you have to be willfully ignorant to believe that. I think you had to be Trump leaning to begin with, and all that entails, and just needed a permission structure to justify that.

It's kind of like this Aziz bit.

https://youtu.be/hkUZlaWQkmY?t=143

I mean, we can retool the Dem platform for sure, but are we really going to progress as a party if we ignore race and injustice, both economic and legal, in favor of making the impotent feel important? Is it that simple?

Whether or not you believe everyone was telling truth a common refrain was that Joe Biden was fine but the Democrats had gone too far! Of course it doesn’t make **** sense but the right wing has created an ecosystem of propaganda that seeps into the mainstream. Democrats should never stop talking about social issues, but they need a national platform that appeals to everyone in every district and state. Take a page out of Donald Trump’s book, there were positions he took that had crossover appeal. Anti corruption, focused on the economy, pro jobs, pro business, tough on China.

He was completely full of **** and a failure on every single one of these issues but it’s an effective appeal to emotion across different groups. Not every black person only cares about criminal justice reform, not every Hispanic voter only cares about immigration reform. A lot of white voters don’t give a **** about either. There needs to be national messaging that can be tailored to specific states and demographics, and then candidates can also tailor their message to the specific state or county. I have some ideas on what it can be but Democrats need to get better marketing across board. There are 63+ million people who tacitly endorsed a racist and Facist imbecile. And I’m sure there were millions more on the fence. That’s a scary thought and the current model obviously isn’t working.

We can change the platform to bring these kind of ideas on. I think a more populist bent would be helpful.

But I also think the racism was a feature, not a bug, for a large majority.

A lot of Trump supporters that I have spoken to would say something along the lines of "The things Trump says aren't racist. My friends and I say things like that all the time" without a hint of irony or introspection.

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GA down to 9.5k separation....

David Purdue also dropped to 49.9% now. If the trends continue, there will be a second runoff in GA, from what I understand.

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GA down to 9.5k separation....

Bonus clip of Wingo and BallSac

Spoiler:

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