OT Election Thread

[Dresden]

I’m not super into politics but any reason in particular you’re so strongly against Biden? I voted just to get Trump out but Joe seems pretty mild mannered/moderate in my book but I’m not the most educated on him.

He's 14 years past retirement age. I literally think every single person without exception that I speak with in my life on a regular basis is sharper at this point in their life than Joe Biden. This is the fricken Presidency we're talking about here. Biden isn't going to run a damn thing, people around him will run it, so I don't even know whom I'm really voting for if I vote for Biden? I can't imagine he's going to be a strong leader in any type of negotiations or foreign policy, he's completely uninspiring. He's better than a lying sociopath with nuclear codes, but that's about it.

You'd literally have to ask yourself if you think Biden would even be alive to complete 2 terms or die of old age first if he ran for re-election after winning.

I think that's an exaggeration. Don't forget he has a speech impediment which sometimes makes him sound like he's tripping over his words. I've heard political analysts say that his experience in the senate will make him good at coming up with bi partisan measures that he'll be able to get passed. And he knows a lot about foreign policy. He'll be a much better negotiator than Donald Trump when it comes to that. He'll rehabilitate our relationship with our allies.

[the ultimates]

I’m not super into politics but any reason in particular you’re so strongly against Biden? I voted just to get Trump out but Joe seems pretty mild mannered/moderate in my book but I’m not the most educated on him.

He's 14 years past retirement age. I literally think every single person without exception that I speak with in my life on a regular basis is sharper at this point in their life than Joe Biden. This is the fricken Presidency we're talking about here. Biden isn't going to run a damn thing, people around him will run it, so I don't even know whom I'm really voting for if I vote for Biden? I can't imagine he's going to be a strong leader in any type of negotiations or foreign policy, he's completely uninspiring. He's better than a lying sociopath with nuclear codes, but that's about it.

You'd literally have to ask yourself if you think Biden would even be alive to complete 2 terms or die of old age first if he ran for re-election after winning.

You make Biden sound like he'll be how Reagan was during his second term. Biden has a pretty good reputation as someone who inspires the people around and has been a solid willing deal maker throughout his career. Hell, he looked like he had more than enough energy dealing with Trump in the two debates. I certainly have faith in Biden that if he is struggling to understand something or make the right decision he'll have qualified and legitimate people around him to help make the best choice.

[dougthonus]

It looks like there could be 400K votes left in AZ. Biden is ahead by 68K. In order to make that up, Trump would have to win the remaining ballots by a margin of 58.5-41.5%, according to my math. That's a pretty hefty margin he needs.

Biden's lead in AZ is down to 57k votes now. It's trending like Trump will come back from behind to take AZ.

All depends on where the remaining votes come from. 57K votes is still a lot to make up.

Sure, but Biden was up by 140k a couple days ago and Trump's win rate has been extremely high on the uncounted votes so far. There are no areas in AZ where Biden is dominating. Trump won Maricopa county by 4% last election, Biden is winning there now (barely) which seems to be most of the votes.

There doesn't seem to be a big reason to expect all of those votes to go to Biden and the trend is that they have been going very heavily to Trump. Not saying Biden will lose, but the same way you can project PA/GA are very much in the mix, AZ is very much in the mix. Trump just gained about 10k votes on something like 30k ballots, and needs to get 57k more on about 450k ballots?

Biden may hang on, but this one is far from over it looks like.

[dougthonus]

You make Biden sound like he'll be how Reagan was during his second term.

Given that he's starting out his first term at the same age as Reagan when he left office at the end of his second term, why would you think that's not a reasonable assumption? Looking at him speak, he seems slow to me already.

Biden has a pretty good reputation as someone who inspires the people around and has been a solid willing deal maker throughout his career. Hell, he looked like he had more than enough energy dealing with Trump in the two debates.

I thought he was awful in the debates, though Trump made the 1st one unwatchable.

I certainly have faith in Biden that if he is struggling to understand something or make the right decision he'll have qualified and legitimate people around him to help make the best choice.

Not super inspiring to me that our hope is he has smart people around him to make the decisions, though hopefully that is true.

[Dresden]

Biden's lead in AZ is down to 57k votes now. It's trending like Trump will come back from behind to take AZ.

All depends on where the remaining votes come from. 57K votes is still a lot to make up.

Sure, but Biden was up by 140k a couple days ago and Trump's win rate has been extremely high on the uncounted votes so far. There are no areas in AZ where Biden is dominating. Trump won Maricopa county by 4% last election, Biden is winning there now (barely) which seems to be most of the votes.

There doesn't seem to be a big reason to expect all of those votes to go to Biden and the trend is that they have been going very heavily to Trump. Not saying Biden will lose, but the same way you can project PA/GA are very much in the mix, AZ is very much in the mix. Trump just gained about 10k votes on something like 30k ballots, and needs to get 57k more on about 450k ballots?

Biden may hang on, but this one is far from over it looks like.

I would agree, and wouldn't be surprised to see this go red. It could all come down to PA.

[dougthonus]

I would agree, and wouldn't be surprised to see this go red. It could all come down to PA.

Yeah, hoping Biden pulls GA, that effectively ends things. We have to wait for NV, but it'd be very surprising if Biden lost NV when the votes are in given where the remaining votes are and the type of ballots they are.

[the ultimates]

You make Biden sound like he'll be how Reagan was during his second term.

Given that he's starting out his first term at the same age as Reagan when he left office at the end of his second term, why would you think that's not a reasonable assumption? Looking at him speak, he seems slow to me already.

Biden has a pretty good reputation as someone who inspires the people around and has been a solid willing deal maker throughout his career. Hell, he looked like he had more than enough energy dealing with Trump in the two debates.

I thought he was awful in the debates, though Trump made the 1st one unwatchable.

I certainly have faith in Biden that if he is struggling to understand something or make the right decision he'll have qualified and legitimate people around him to help make the best choice.

Not super inspiring to me that our hope is he has smart people around him to make the decisions, though hopefully that is true.

Biden has a speech impediment that's nothing new. There's been nothing said about Biden's health or potential health that he wouldn't be suitable for the job.

How did Biden look bad in the debates?

Now, this last part makes no sense. Every President needs to have smart and knowledgeable people around them to try and help them make the best decision so how is that a knock on Biden?

[Dresden]

"Pennsylvania’s top election official says it may take longer than expected to complete the count there. Her office says about 326,000 mail ballots still need to be counted. " NYT

If they're mail in votes, they will probably skew Biden. Biden also flipped Erie Co, which Trump won in 2016.

[dougthonus]

Biden has a speech impediment that's nothing new. There's been nothing said about Biden's health or potential health that he wouldn't be suitable for the job.

Really?

How many people do you think are at their best at the age of 77. To answer this question, literally no one. No one is at their best at 77, sure as hell won't be at their best at 81. I mean I'm not saying the guy has dementia and needs to be put in a home, but Biden of 20 years ago would be better suited than Biden today.

How did Biden look bad in the debates?

One example was him saying because he was VP and stopped the spread of H1N1 that he can control COVID. It was a laughably stupid thing to say. I couldn't believe I heard him say it.

Now, this last part makes no sense. Every President needs to have smart and knowledgeable people around them to try and help them make the best decision so how is that a knock on Biden?

Yes, everyone needs smart advisors. Not smart people to make the decisions for him.

If you think he's great, more power to you. I don't think he's a terrible person or anything, just not someone I'd want as president.

[Dresden]

Biden may not be as sharp, as quick as he was 20 years ago, but he also has gained a ton of experience in these last 20 years, which can't be discounted.

[Betta Bulleavit]

Biden has a speech impediment that's nothing new. There's been nothing said about Biden's health or potential health that he wouldn't be suitable for the job.

Really?

How many people do you think are at their best at the age of 77. To answer this question, literally no one. No one is at their best at 77, sure as hell won't be at their best at 81. I mean I'm not saying the guy has dementia and needs to be put in a home, but Biden of 20 years ago would be better suited than Biden today.

How did Biden look bad in the debates?

One example was him saying because he was VP and stopped the spread of H1N1 that he can control COVID. It was a laughably stupid thing to say. I couldn't believe I heard him say it.

Now, this last part makes no sense. Every President needs to have smart and knowledgeable people around them to try and help them make the best decision so how is that a knock on Biden?

Yes, everyone needs smart advisors. Not smart people to make the decisions for him.

If you think he's great, more power to you. I don't think he's a terrible person or anything, just not someone I'd want as president.

Doug, just because he says things that you might not agree with or makes decisions that you don’t agree with doesn’t make him mentally incapable. While I agree that a person’s sharpest days are likely behind them at 77, I think I’d take that over someone that didn’t seem particularly sharp to begin with (Trump).

[2018C3]

My father is in his mid 70's, and In the last 5 years or so I could see a definite decline in his communication skills, Especially when arguing or negotiating simple matters. He easily gets overwhelmed with new information and can not process it as quickly as he used to. He is still sharp when not under stress, but his reasoning fades when things don't go how he planned it before hand. When this happens he just tends to get angry and often stops the conversation.

"One night, the guy locked my mom out of the house because his dinner was cold. He was working in the yard and by the time he came in she put the cooked meal back in the fridge. He then fell asleep and left her outside. This is not something he would have ever done just a few years ago". Luckily she had her phone on her and called me.

She is a similar age, and has some short term memory loss, so at times this could be very frustrating. You could sometimes have a conversation with her, and 10 minutes later have the exact same conversation. It does not happen often, but enough to notice.

The two of them are happily married for over 50 years, but each of them could sometimes be a pain in my rear.

Dougthonus, has a point that this is not the ideal candidate going forward, but at this advanced age neither really was. I think most people who voted either way, ended up voting because they disliked one more than the other.

[the ultimates]

Biden has a speech impediment that's nothing new. There's been nothing said about Biden's health or potential health that he wouldn't be suitable for the job.

Really?

How many people do you think are at their best at the age of 77. To answer this question, literally no one. No one is at their best at 77, sure as hell won't be at their best at 81. I mean I'm not saying the guy has dementia and needs to be put in a home, but Biden of 20 years ago would be better suited than Biden today.

How did Biden look bad in the debates?

One example was him saying because he was VP and stopped the spread of H1N1 that he can control COVID. It was a laughably stupid thing to say. I couldn't believe I heard him say it.

Now, this last part makes no sense. Every President needs to have smart and knowledgeable people around them to try and help them make the best decision so how is that a knock on Biden?

Yes, everyone needs smart advisors. Not smart people to make the decisions for him.

If you think he's great, more power to you. Quite frankly, listening to Biden talk for 5 minutes is enough for me to say that I'd have more confidence in most people I know as president even without any political experience.

All your saying is because he's old he won't be able to do the job. I haven't seen any stories written that he still can't make deals, can't communicate or can't lead just because he's old which is essentially what you're saying.

Yep he messed that up that doesn't mean he did horrible in the debates. If I wanted I could go back and find akward answers, strange looks and pauses for every Presidential candidate in a debate.

Who said the advisors would make the decision for him? Are you trying to say listening to and taking advice from advisors is bad or "making the decision for him"? The country just had four years of a guy not doing that how has that worked out?

[Ice Man]

"Pennsylvania’s top election official says it may take longer than expected to complete the count there. Her office says about 326,000 mail ballots still need to be counted. " NYT

If they're mail in votes, they will probably skew Biden. Biden also flipped Erie Co, which Trump won in 2016.

All of them are mail-in votes, which have been about 75% so far for Biden. Not surprising, because PA keeps track of mail-in ballots by party registration, and among registered Dems and Republicans, the mail-in split was 74% Democrat, 26% Republican. I think there are about 300,000 ballots still remaining as I write this, with Trump up by 53,000. So Biden needs just under 60% of those votes to win.

It might not happen, but it's certainly the way to bet, which is why the Biden team is openly optimistic and Trump is freaking.

[Dresden]

With the votes left in GA, trump only needs to win about 41% of them to hold the state, according to my figuring.

[Ice Man]

With the votes left in GA, trump only needs to win about 41% of them to hold the state, according to my figuring.

Yep. But the reason it's this close to begin with is that he's been getting significantly less than 41% of votes during the final 20% of the vote count. I mean, he was up by 300,000 votes at one point.

[Dresden]

With the votes left in GA, trump only needs to win about 41% of them to hold the state, according to my figuring.

Yep. But the reason it's this close to begin with is that he's been getting significantly less than 41% of votes during the final 20% of the vote count. I mean, he was up by 300,000 votes at one point.

Awesome. I hadn't realize he was getting that big of a margin. I hope it holds. The margin there is going to be possibly less than .1%.

[Dresden]

Down to 2,500 vote lead in GA.

Under 50K in PA.

[Dresden]

AZ lead for Biden down to 46K. 200K more to count. Next release will be 11 am EST.

[cjbulls]

Has someone heard the explanation from these states on why they aren't done? They all were at like 80-90% done on election night and 48 hours later, they have moved maybe 5%? Whenever I've put on the news I haven't seen the explanation.