2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

[jason bourne]

So you’re saying the Celtics would be happy with the deal, and Atlanta would be unhappy with it. Huh...... I said that too.

You’re railing against us turning the #2 pick into #6, #14, #26, and #30. Okay, that’s fine, we can choose to disagree. But drafts are imperfect, and it’s quite possible that whoever we pick at 6 could turn out to be as good as the #2 pick (especially with all the questions surrounding the top picks), and this give us 2-3 additional swings (depending on how we would consolidate those picks) in a deep draft. In my opinion, I’d prefer all those picks over the #2 in this particular draft, but people can feel differently.

Celtics would be happy to dump Gordon Hayward's contract. Maybe he'll has a few good years left. Would you take a chance on him if he was $100 K over our TPE (I think they allow $100K to go over). Or do the injury concerns prevent you from giving him a 3-yr $60 M deal?

Thus, you get Gordon Hayward, #14, #26, and #30 while the Celtics get James Wiseman. You can go to the Hawks to get your #6 pick.

I have no idea WTF you're saying here, to be honest. There's no discussion of Hayward coming to the Warriors, I'm certainly not suggesting it..... and he's under contract in '20-21 for $34M, which is twice the TPE, so the TPE couldn't be used. Can you try to articulate actual legal moves, taking into account actual contracts, to explain what you're suggesting?

I'm contributing to the discussion on the 3-way trade as something that is a suppose to be a positive for the Ws b/c of the number of FRPs. Nothing further from the truth.

I'm not suggesting. I'm saying not to deal with the Celtics for their late round picks. Nor trade for Gordon Hayward as maybe one person here wants. I rather keep Andrew Wiggins.

In this trade, the team that gets screwed most is the third team while it's the farked up Celtics and Danny Ainge who get what they want in one fell swoop. The Celtics need to trade one of two of Smart, Brown, or Tatum and they have rejected all talks for that. The Celtics need to continually get beat up until they are ready to talk a realistic deal.

[Chupchup]

Yea that’s where we disagree. Gobert is a great regular season player but has massive matchup issues in the playoffs. There’s no way I would max out gobert because of those issues. I wouldn’t want to have to think I have to sit down a max slot player because he’s constantly giving up open shots. Like letting Jamal go crazy.

As for wiseman if he has those same defensive issues which is likely he’s probably not worth drafting at 2. But I’m willing to gamble that he can because if he can he’s a star. But if he’s not there I’m fine with taking Edwards or Deni.

You'd have to get both of them to equal one Wiseman. What good is guarding the perimeter when your opponents can take the ball to the rim with impunity. Like I said there is only one Anthony Davis in the NBA. If you don't think Gobert is valuable just because he's not a good perimeter defender than you are completely ignoring him being the best interior defender in the league.

Or we could just sign Dwight or favors for the vet min or part of the tax payer mle and get the same production.

Again gobert is great for the regular season. In the playoffs his defense gets exploited constantly. Jamal Murray was made to look like mj. They tried their hardest to not matchup with Houston because they knew harden would expose him again.

Or pay 4 mil for Javale McGee. We only have 20 mins at the 5 spot to cover with Draymond and Looney as backup 5s.

We need shooting and wing players more.

[Chupchup]

Just heard an idea for a draft trade that was interesting. Basically the background is this: The Warriors aren't enamored with anyone at the top of the draft and they have huge holes on the roster in terms of talented depth, especially young talent. The Hawks want to make the playoffs next year, and they have tons of cap space so they really want a talented vet to help get them there. The Celtics don't want to pay Gordon Hayward and they desperately need a big (preferably young & affordable), and they have so many picks they can't actually fit them all on their roster. So here's the proposed trade:

Warriors receive: #6, #14, #26, #30
>Draft Haliburton or Vassell at #6 then see who drops to #14. Or use #26 and/or #30 to move up from #14 to grab Nesmith, Bey or Williams if you've identified a guy you really like in the 10-12 range. Then target either an immediate backup PG (Lewis, Flynn, Bane) or a raw higher ceiling prospect (McDaniels) with the later pick(s).

Celtics receive: #2 (Wiseman)

Hawks receive: Gordon Hayward

That’s good value for us, but as others have mentioned, you’d definitely want to have some additional trades lined up to consolidate the picks a little bit more.

I’m skeptical that Atlanta would give up the #6 pick straight-up for Hayward, who has a huge contract and uncertain performance at this point. I do suspect the Celtics would be okay with the value, and getting off Hayward’s contract.

If Haywood opts in, he is essentially a expiring contract. Why would the Hawks give up #6 for a 1 year rental?

[Onus]

Just heard an idea for a draft trade that was interesting. Basically the background is this: The Warriors aren't enamored with anyone at the top of the draft and they have huge holes on the roster in terms of talented depth, especially young talent. The Hawks want to make the playoffs next year, and they have tons of cap space so they really want a talented vet to help get them there. The Celtics don't want to pay Gordon Hayward and they desperately need a big (preferably young & affordable), and they have so many picks they can't actually fit them all on their roster. So here's the proposed trade:

Warriors receive: #6, #14, #26, #30
>Draft Haliburton or Vassell at #6 then see who drops to #14. Or use #26 and/or #30 to move up from #14 to grab Nesmith, Bey or Williams if you've identified a guy you really like in the 10-12 range. Then target either an immediate backup PG (Lewis, Flynn, Bane) or a raw higher ceiling prospect (McDaniels) with the later pick(s).

Celtics receive: #2 (Wiseman)

Hawks receive: Gordon Hayward

That’s good value for us, but as others have mentioned, you’d definitely want to have some additional trades lined up to consolidate the picks a little bit more.

I’m skeptical that Atlanta would give up the #6 pick straight-up for Hayward, who has a huge contract and uncertain performance at this point. I do suspect the Celtics would be okay with the value, and getting off Hayward’s contract.

If Haywood opts in, he is essentially a expiring contract. Why would the Hawks give up #6 for a 1 year rental?

Plus Haywood has a trade kicker so his salary is like 39M

[KGdaBom]

The TWolves aren't picking the player the Ws want in James Wiseman, so no need to trade. They think Ball is the player most teams want. Their 2021 pick and the #2 pick would be the price for Wiseman. I wouldn't trade their 2021 pick back to them for Wiseman. They could have Kevon Looney (painful salary dump) + #2 for #1.

The need to trade is to beat Charlottes offer, because Charlotte is drafting the guy the the Ws want.

Haha . Go ahead an take James Wiseman at #1 then. He could be another KAT as per the Ringer vid.

The Hornets aren't trading for him with your team. The Hornets said they would be happy with LaMelo Ball or Anthony Edwards. The Warriors will likely take LaMelo Ball to use as backup PG or in a later trade. They also could deal LaMelo to the Knicks on draft day.

The TWolves will likely take LaMelo Ball as he's the most tradeable asset.

Lamelo Ball is pure crap. No interest in him whatsoever. I think our management is smarter than that. If you guys don't take Wiseman if given the opportunity you will regret it BIG TIME.

[KGdaBom]

It’s a Wolves fan who bright it up and no it’s not credible.

if you're talking about me I didn't bring it up. Go back and check. Would I like it? Sure. What's realistic is expanded protection on the pick. How much expansion on the protection would be negotiated. I do believe it would be foolish of the Warriors to pass on Wiseman at that little of a price.

I enjoy visiting the Wolves board and having other teams fans posting here but I have never seen a Warriors fan proposing trading up. There was talk about trading back with the Hornets and there are people on here who feel like Wiseman is the best prospect and some who want nothing to do with him but nobody wants to trade up. By the way, I still think there is a better chance of the Warriors trading back or out of the draft than staying at 2.

Not trading up if it's cheap to do would be a huge mistake. You can't just say "We won't trade up no matter what.".

[HiRez]

if you're talking about me I didn't bring it up. Go back and check. Would I like it? Sure. What's realistic is expanded protection on the pick. How much expansion on the protection would be negotiated. I do believe it would be foolish of the Warriors to pass on Wiseman at that little of a price.

I enjoy visiting the Wolves board and having other teams fans posting here but I have never seen a Warriors fan proposing trading up. There was talk about trading back with the Hornets and there are people on here who feel like Wiseman is the best prospect and some who want nothing to do with him but nobody wants to trade up. By the way, I still think there is a better chance of the Warriors trading back or out of the draft than staying at 2.

Not trading up if it's cheap to do would be a huge mistake. You can't just say "We won't trade up no matter what.".

It depends. If the Warriors value 2 players at the top equally, let's say Edwards and Wiseman, then why give up anything to move up? They're guaranteed to get a guy they want at #2. It only makes sense if there's only one guy they are interested in and they MUST have him over anyone else. It's hard to believe that's the case where the concensus is there's a lot of iffy elite talent at the top, but who knows what the Warriors FO is thinking. AND they have to believe that player may be picked at #1. If for some reason they really want Okoro or Haliburton or Avdija, there's a really high chance that player will be available at #2 no matter what happens at #1.

Personally I wouldn't give up much to move up (you can have the #51 pick), but in any case we don't know who the Warriors like and how enamored they are with them.

[Chupchup]

if you're talking about me I didn't bring it up. Go back and check. Would I like it? Sure. What's realistic is expanded protection on the pick. How much expansion on the protection would be negotiated. I do believe it would be foolish of the Warriors to pass on Wiseman at that little of a price.

I enjoy visiting the Wolves board and having other teams fans posting here but I have never seen a Warriors fan proposing trading up. There was talk about trading back with the Hornets and there are people on here who feel like Wiseman is the best prospect and some who want nothing to do with him but nobody wants to trade up. By the way, I still think there is a better chance of the Warriors trading back or out of the draft than staying at 2.

Not trading up if it's cheap to do would be a huge mistake. You can't just say "We won't trade up no matter what.".

That's only if you absolutely want him. If he was a generational player or the missing piece to another championship run then sure but I think there's enough question marks about his ceiling, his fit, his short term impact during the remaining championship window to not trade up for him.

If he's still there at 2, then sure but we shouldn't give up assets for him.

With that being said, I'm in the trade down slighty ( detroit or ny ) to pick up Devin Vassel plus assets. But I wouldn't cry if we picked Wiseman or Edwards at 2. I would cry if we picked Avdija at 2

[Hopper15]

Just give Charlotte #2 for a top 3 protected 1st next summer. Then they can have 2 and 3 to start the rebuild quicker.

[ShayDee]

if you're talking about me I didn't bring it up. Go back and check. Would I like it? Sure. What's realistic is expanded protection on the pick. How much expansion on the protection would be negotiated. I do believe it would be foolish of the Warriors to pass on Wiseman at that little of a price.

I enjoy visiting the Wolves board and having other teams fans posting here but I have never seen a Warriors fan proposing trading up. There was talk about trading back with the Hornets and there are people on here who feel like Wiseman is the best prospect and some who want nothing to do with him but nobody wants to trade up. By the way, I still think there is a better chance of the Warriors trading back or out of the draft than staying at 2.

Not trading up if it's cheap to do would be a huge mistake. You can't just say "We won't trade up no matter what.".

Would you like a lightly seasoned Jordan Poole? Since it's cheap I think that's a good deal. Minny is just 1 spot ahead of us, not worth giving a future pick(especially your pick) to move up 1 spot

Also I'm sure you know what I think but we kinda share the same opinion about Wiseman

[KGdaBom]

I enjoy visiting the Wolves board and having other teams fans posting here but I have never seen a Warriors fan proposing trading up. There was talk about trading back with the Hornets and there are people on here who feel like Wiseman is the best prospect and some who want nothing to do with him but nobody wants to trade up. By the way, I still think there is a better chance of the Warriors trading back or out of the draft than staying at 2.

Not trading up if it's cheap to do would be a huge mistake. You can't just say "We won't trade up no matter what.".

Would you like a lightly seasoned Jordan Poole? Since it's cheap I think that's a good deal. Minny is just 1 spot ahead of us, not worth giving a future pick(especially your pick) to move up 1 spot

Also I'm sure you know what I think but we kinda share the same opinion about Wiseman

The GSW FRP next year if you are as good as people think you will be this year is a tiny price to pay to get Wiseman over Edwards IMO. Something is wrong if you can't identify the player you want the most and just say they are equal. IMO that would be Wiseman. I want my team to draft him, but I get the can't have two really tall players bit going on now. I think that's stupid, but it seems to be a reality in the NBA.

[HiRez]

Not trading up if it's cheap to do would be a huge mistake. You can't just say "We won't trade up no matter what.".

Would you like a lightly seasoned Jordan Poole? Since it's cheap I think that's a good deal. Minny is just 1 spot ahead of us, not worth giving a future pick(especially your pick) to move up 1 spot

Also I'm sure you know what I think but we kinda share the same opinion about Wiseman

The GSW FRP next year if you are as good as people think you will be this year is a tiny price to pay to get Wiseman over Edwards IMO. Something is wrong if you can't identify the player you want the most and just say they are equal. IMO that would be Wiseman. I want my team to draft him, but I get the can't have two really tall players bit going on now. I think that's stupid, but it seems to be a reality in the NBA.

A first round pick is not at all a tiny price, even if you believe if will be at the end of the draft, which you can't know (just look at this year for GSW). And next year is projected to be a strong and deep draft. I think the idea of Charlotte giving up assets to move up 1 spot is too. Hopefully they are dumber or more desperate than the Warriors are.

[KGdaBom]

Would you like a lightly seasoned Jordan Poole? Since it's cheap I think that's a good deal. Minny is just 1 spot ahead of us, not worth giving a future pick(especially your pick) to move up 1 spot

Also I'm sure you know what I think but we kinda share the same opinion about Wiseman

The GSW FRP next year if you are as good as people think you will be this year is a tiny price to pay to get Wiseman over Edwards IMO. Something is wrong if you can't identify the player you want the most and just say they are equal. IMO that would be Wiseman. I want my team to draft him, but I get the can't have two really tall players bit going on now. I think that's stupid, but it seems to be a reality in the NBA.

A first round pick is not at all a tiny price, even if you believe if will be at the end of the draft, which you can't know (just look at this year for GSW). And next year is projected to be a strong and deep draft. I think the idea of Charlotte giving up assets to move up 1 spot is too. Hopefully they are dumber or more desperate than the Warriors are.

It's a tiny price to pay to get a likely franchise Center. You're not thinking clearly. Late FRPs are seldom even useful players. The only reason you could potentially get a deal like that is that the Wolves might want someone else more than Wiseman. If they want whoever your backup plan is to Wiseman it helps you get a cheaper price than Charlotte.

[HiRez]

The GSW FRP next year if you are as good as people think you will be this year is a tiny price to pay to get Wiseman over Edwards IMO. Something is wrong if you can't identify the player you want the most and just say they are equal. IMO that would be Wiseman. I want my team to draft him, but I get the can't have two really tall players bit going on now. I think that's stupid, but it seems to be a reality in the NBA.

A first round pick is not at all a tiny price, even if you believe if will be at the end of the draft, which you can't know (just look at this year for GSW). And next year is projected to be a strong and deep draft. I think the idea of Charlotte giving up assets to move up 1 spot is too. Hopefully they are dumber or more desperate than the Warriors are.

It's a tiny price to pay to get a likely franchise Center. You're not thinking clearly. Late FRPs are seldom even useful players. The only reason you could potentially get a deal like that is that the Wolves might want someone else more than Wiseman. If they want whoever your backup plan is to Wiseman it helps you get a cheaper price than Charlotte.

The key word there is "likely". Even though I like Wiseman and would pick him at #2, I'd describe Wiseman (and lots of other players in this draft) as "possible" and "possible" is worth a whole lot less than "likely". If Wiseman was Hakeem Olajuwon or Patrick Ewing or even Joel Embiid then yeah, I'd pay to move up. But not in this draft.

[KGdaBom]

A first round pick is not at all a tiny price, even if you believe if will be at the end of the draft, which you can't know (just look at this year for GSW). And next year is projected to be a strong and deep draft. I think the idea of Charlotte giving up assets to move up 1 spot is too. Hopefully they are dumber or more desperate than the Warriors are.

It's a tiny price to pay to get a likely franchise Center. You're not thinking clearly. Late FRPs are seldom even useful players. The only reason you could potentially get a deal like that is that the Wolves might want someone else more than Wiseman. If they want whoever your backup plan is to Wiseman it helps you get a cheaper price than Charlotte.

The key word there is "likely". Even though I like Wiseman and would pick him at #2, I'd describe Wiseman (and lots of other players in this draft) as "possible" and "possible" is worth a whole lot less than "likely". If Wiseman was Hakeem Olajuwon or Patrick Ewing or even Joel Embiid then yeah, I'd pay to move up. But not in this draft.

if he was one of them not only would you have to return next years FRP to the Wolves you would have to include multiple unprotected FRPs and Paschall. Wiseman is likely. Much better than possible. You really want to quibble over giving up a late FRP over that. Then Wiseman will be that likely franchise center for Charlotte. You will be kicking yourself for years over blowing this one.

[jason bourne]

The need to trade is to beat Charlottes offer, because Charlotte is drafting the guy the the Ws want.

Haha . Go ahead an take James Wiseman at #1 then. He could be another KAT as per the Ringer vid.

The Hornets aren't trading for him with your team. The Hornets said they would be happy with LaMelo Ball or Anthony Edwards. The Warriors will likely take LaMelo Ball to use as backup PG or in a later trade. They also could deal LaMelo to the Knicks on draft day.

The TWolves will likely take LaMelo Ball as he's the most tradeable asset.

Lamelo Ball is pure crap. No interest in him whatsoever. I think our management is smarter than that. If you guys don't take Wiseman if given the opportunity you will regret it BIG TIME.

You're entitled to your opinion. What happens if the TWolves take LaMelo #1?

I can see the TWolves taking Anthony Edwards at #1 as he's a consensus top 3 pick and could start at SG since Malik Beasley was arrested and released. He would fit your team the best. Of course, they could take James Wiseman as trade bait or to keep, but he's already said he doesn't want to be drafted by the TWolves b/c KAT is there. Apparently, he's used to playing the 5. Could KAT play the 4?

Thus, until the TWolves take Wiseman at #1, there won't be anything happening except trading down for the Warriors. In the likelihood they don't get a deal they like, then they'll take James Wiseman or LaMelo Ball imho. They may not go for Anthony Edwards b/c he's too ball dominant at SG.

[KGdaBom]

Haha . Go ahead an take James Wiseman at #1 then. He could be another KAT as per the Ringer vid.

The Hornets aren't trading for him with your team. The Hornets said they would be happy with LaMelo Ball or Anthony Edwards. The Warriors will likely take LaMelo Ball to use as backup PG or in a later trade. They also could deal LaMelo to the Knicks on draft day.

The TWolves will likely take LaMelo Ball as he's the most tradeable asset.

Lamelo Ball is pure crap. No interest in him whatsoever. I think our management is smarter than that. If you guys don't take Wiseman if given the opportunity you will regret it BIG TIME.

You're entitled to your opinion. What happens if the TWolves take LaMelo #1?

I can see the TWolves taking Anthony Edwards at #1 as he's a consensus top 3 pick and could start at SG since Malik Beasley was arrested and released. He would fit your team the best. Of course, they could take James Wiseman as trade bait or to keep, but he's already said he doesn't want to be drafted by the TWolves b/c KAT is there. Apparently, he's used to playing the 5. Could KAT play the 4?

Thus, until the TWolves take Wiseman at #1, there won't be anything happening except trading down for the Warriors. In the likelihood they don't get a deal they like, then they'll take James Wiseman or LaMelo Ball imho. They may not go for Anthony Edwards b/c he's too ball dominant at SG.

If the Wolves take Ball I will throw a brick through my TV screen and look for a bridge to jump off. Fortunately for my prospects of staying alive I don't think Rosas is that stupid and there are no bridges anywhere near me. The most likely scenario is the Warriors make a reasonable offer to the Wolves to trade up to one and get Wiseman. The second most likely scenario is the Hornets make a reasonable offer to trade up to one and get Wiseman. The third most likely scenario is the Wolves draft Wiseman whether he wants to play second fiddle to KAT or not. The fourth most likely is we draft Edwards. Are you saying the Police have released Beasley or the Wolves have?

[Coxy]

It's a tiny price to pay to get a likely franchise Center. You're not thinking clearly. Late FRPs are seldom even useful players. The only reason you could potentially get a deal like that is that the Wolves might want someone else more than Wiseman. If they want whoever your backup plan is to Wiseman it helps you get a cheaper price than Charlotte.

The key word there is "likely". Even though I like Wiseman and would pick him at #2, I'd describe Wiseman (and lots of other players in this draft) as "possible" and "possible" is worth a whole lot less than "likely". If Wiseman was Hakeem Olajuwon or Patrick Ewing or even Joel Embiid then yeah, I'd pay to move up. But not in this draft.

if he was one of them not only would you have to return next years FRP to the Wolves you would have to include multiple unprotected FRPs and Paschall. Wiseman is likely. Much better than possible. You really want to quibble over giving up a late FRP over that. Then Wiseman will be that likely franchise center for Charlotte. You will be kicking yourself for years over blowing this one.

Why would you care so much what the Warriors are going to do anyway? If you think Wiseman is going to be that good, then you should be all in on Minny picking him. I personally think you guys are going to select Edwards anyway, and keep him, and the Warriors will get Wiseman. If you guys pick Wiseman, and trade him to Charlotte, we pick Edwards, which I think most are going to be cool with as well. Minnesota would have likely played themselves then, because you'll end up with Deni, or Okoro, or Ball, or something a notch below the top 2 guys, and it's likely to move up that Charlotte parts ways with something that doesn't pan out for Minny.

I don't get your air of posting here, like you are in some sort of position of power over the Warriors, with Charlotte your leverage to do so. The Warriors will be happy with either player, you are throwing your weight around for nothing in these parts. Better off spending your time on the Charlotte board to see what their fans would be willing to trade, because quite frankly my dear, we don't give a damn.

[Coxy]

The most likely scenario is the Warriors make a reasonable offer to the Wolves to trade up to one and get Wiseman. The second most likely scenario is the Hornets make a reasonable offer to trade up to one and get Wiseman. The third most likely scenario is the Wolves draft Wiseman whether he wants to play second fiddle to KAT or not. The fourth most likely is we draft Edwards.

Where are you getting this info from? On what planet would you think that Myers would make a deal to move up 1 spot to select Wiseman in this draft, as being the most likely scenerio to happen at the pointy end of this draft? That's like, one of the last things that will happen in this draft. You don't know our front office dude, they play chess, not checkers. If you think Myers is going to let a rookie GM in Rosas dictate to him like that, you're loco.

[ShayDee]

Lamelo Ball is pure crap. No interest in him whatsoever. I think our management is smarter than that. If you guys don't take Wiseman if given the opportunity you will regret it BIG TIME.

You're entitled to your opinion. What happens if the TWolves take LaMelo #1?

I can see the TWolves taking Anthony Edwards at #1 as he's a consensus top 3 pick and could start at SG since Malik Beasley was arrested and released. He would fit your team the best. Of course, they could take James Wiseman as trade bait or to keep, but he's already said he doesn't want to be drafted by the TWolves b/c KAT is there. Apparently, he's used to playing the 5. Could KAT play the 4?

Thus, until the TWolves take Wiseman at #1, there won't be anything happening except trading down for the Warriors. In the likelihood they don't get a deal they like, then they'll take James Wiseman or LaMelo Ball imho. They may not go for Anthony Edwards b/c he's too ball dominant at SG.

If the Wolves take Ball I will throw a brick through my TV screen and look for a bridge to jump off. Fortunately for my prospects of staying alive I don't think Rosas is that stupid and there are no bridges anywhere near me. The most likely scenario is the Warriors make a reasonable offer to the Wolves to trade up to one and get Wiseman. The second most likely scenario is the Hornets make a reasonable offer to trade up to one and get Wiseman. The third most likely scenario is the Wolves draft Wiseman whether he wants to play second fiddle to KAT or not. The fourth most likely is we draft Edwards. Are you saying the Police have released Beasley or the Wolves have?

Bourne has a point. I think the top 2 players in terms of trade potential in this draft are Lamelo and Wiseman. The wolves will take either of them to trade them later or they will trade down and whoever lands at 1 takes Ball/Wiseman