2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

[KGdaBom]

The key word there is "likely". Even though I like Wiseman and would pick him at #2, I'd describe Wiseman (and lots of other players in this draft) as "possible" and "possible" is worth a whole lot less than "likely". If Wiseman was Hakeem Olajuwon or Patrick Ewing or even Joel Embiid then yeah, I'd pay to move up. But not in this draft.

if he was one of them not only would you have to return next years FRP to the Wolves you would have to include multiple unprotected FRPs and Paschall. Wiseman is likely. Much better than possible. You really want to quibble over giving up a late FRP over that. Then Wiseman will be that likely franchise center for Charlotte. You will be kicking yourself for years over blowing this one.

Why would you care so much what the Warriors are going to do anyway? If you think Wiseman is going to be that good, then you should be all in on Minny picking him. I personally think you guys are going to select Edwards anyway, and keep him, and the Warriors will get Wiseman. If you guys pick Wiseman, and trade him to Charlotte, we pick Edwards, which I think most are going to be cool with as well. Minnesota would have likely played themselves then, because you'll end up with Deni, or Okoro, or Ball, or something a notch below the top 2 guys, and it's likely to move up that Charlotte parts ways with something that doesn't pan out for Minny.

I don't get your air of posting here, like you are in some sort of position of power over the Warriors, with Charlotte your leverage to do so. The Warriors will be happy with either player, you are throwing your weight around for nothing in these parts. Better off spending your time on the Charlotte board to see what their fans would be willing to trade, because quite frankly my dear, we don't give a damn.

What I'm doing here is discussing the possibility of a Wolves/Warriors trade. Not throwing any weight. You guys are so lucky to have the 2nd pick this year, because it puts you in a great position to get your franchise center. If I were the Wolves GM you would have zero chance to get him, but I'm not and I think Rosas would be willing to trade the #1 to you for #2 and a minor asset thrown in like your 21 FRP. I think your GM will prove a lot wiser than it seems most of the Real GM posters seem to be quibbling over this and risking not getting Wiseman. If you don't end up with Wiseman out of this draft you are going to look like fools in a few years.

Is it possible you get him without trading up? Sure. Why risk it.

[ChuckDurn]

Lamelo Ball is pure crap. No interest in him whatsoever. I think our management is smarter than that. If you guys don't take Wiseman if given the opportunity you will regret it BIG TIME.

You're entitled to your opinion. What happens if the TWolves take LaMelo #1?

I can see the TWolves taking Anthony Edwards at #1 as he's a consensus top 3 pick and could start at SG since Malik Beasley was arrested and released. He would fit your team the best. Of course, they could take James Wiseman as trade bait or to keep, but he's already said he doesn't want to be drafted by the TWolves b/c KAT is there. Apparently, he's used to playing the 5. Could KAT play the 4?

Thus, until the TWolves take Wiseman at #1, there won't be anything happening except trading down for the Warriors. In the likelihood they don't get a deal they like, then they'll take James Wiseman or LaMelo Ball imho. They may not go for Anthony Edwards b/c he's too ball dominant at SG.

If the Wolves take Ball I will throw a brick through my TV screen and look for a bridge to jump off. Fortunately for my prospects of staying alive I don't think Rosas is that stupid and there are no bridges anywhere near me. The most likely scenario is the Warriors make a reasonable offer to the Wolves to trade up to one and get Wiseman. The second most likely scenario is the Hornets make a reasonable offer to trade up to one and get Wiseman. The third most likely scenario is the Wolves draft Wiseman whether he wants to play second fiddle to KAT or not. The fourth most likely is we draft Edwards. Are you saying the Police have released Beasley or the Wolves have?

I understand and respect your perspective, but as others have mentioned here already, I think the likelihood that the Warriors would trade up to #1 is next to zero. It’s okay, it’s a difference of opinion. But I’d be legitimately stunned if the Warriors moved up. There’s rampant speculation about them either using the pick or moving down, but there hasn’t been any source offering any speculation about them moving up.

Could they shock us? Sure. But my guess is that even if they think WIseman is a god and that they need to have them, they look at 3 potential things happening at the #1 pick:
1. The Wolves draft for themselves - in which case, it seems really unlikely that they’d take Wiseman, given the presence of KAT;
2. The Wolves trade the pick for somebody who wants somebody other than Wiseman (most likely, Ball)
3. The Wolves trade the pick for somebody who wants Wiseman - and by connotation, not only also has the assets to entice the Wolves to trade down, but the trade package is better than somebody in category 2. (i.e. if the Wolves are trading out of the #1 pick, they simply want the best deal, they don’t care what player that team wants.)

In this scenario, the Warriors love it for #1 or #2 to happen. So they’d have to assess “what’s the risk that #3 would happen?”

So let’s start with “who would really want Wiseman, and what trade package could/would they construct?”

The Hornets are the obvious candidate, but how good a package could they offer? It would have to start with the #3 pick, but what else do they have - and would be willing to give up? What exactly on their roster is that appealing - Miles Bridges? PJ Washington? Do the Hornets add future high-quality first-round picks? My guess is that the Hornets may blush at that, because they need multiple excellent talents, and if they trade future picks, they might make Wiseman a man on an island, with less chance of getting complementary stars. So what does a “probably best-case” package from the Hornets look like? #3, Miles Bridges, and a future protected #1 pick. Is that the best package the Wolves would get for the pick? And is it enough to trade the #1?

Who else would be so hot on Wiseman to offer a better package? I look around the league, and I don’t see much. If Atlanta hadn’t invested in Capela, they might have been a candidate with the #6 pick and change. Detroit? Maybe. But similar to Charlotte, what do they have on their roster, and future draft picks, that would entice Minnesota to move it?

Now think about teams that might be interested in LaMelo. Maybe the Knicks would mortgage the farm for him - who knows. Maybe Chicago. Given the deterioration in value of the center position, and the teams that have draft assets, the market for LaMelo (or, for that matter, if somebody falls in love with Edwards) seems to be higher than that for Wiseman.

My personal opinion is that the Wolves don’t get hit with a knockout offer for anybody, and end up using the pick themselves - and, most likely, taking Edwards. But if they make a trade, my hunch is that it’s to somebody else who doesn’t take Wiseman, and that he’ll be available at #2.

And, FWIW, I suspect that the Warriors wouldn’t need as much enticement to trade out of the #2 pick as the Wolves would need to trade out of the #1 pick.

[Little Digger]

For the sake of the Minnesota future lottery pick we own, Anthony Edwards to the wolves would be marvelous

[KGdaBom]

For the sake of the Minnesota future lottery pick we own, Anthony Edwards to the wolves would be marvelous

I don't hate Edwards. You really think he is going to suck that much?
My preference is Okongwu or Deni.

[KGdaBom]

You're entitled to your opinion. What happens if the TWolves take LaMelo #1?

I can see the TWolves taking Anthony Edwards at #1 as he's a consensus top 3 pick and could start at SG since Malik Beasley was arrested and released. He would fit your team the best. Of course, they could take James Wiseman as trade bait or to keep, but he's already said he doesn't want to be drafted by the TWolves b/c KAT is there. Apparently, he's used to playing the 5. Could KAT play the 4?

Thus, until the TWolves take Wiseman at #1, there won't be anything happening except trading down for the Warriors. In the likelihood they don't get a deal they like, then they'll take James Wiseman or LaMelo Ball imho. They may not go for Anthony Edwards b/c he's too ball dominant at SG.

If the Wolves take Ball I will throw a brick through my TV screen and look for a bridge to jump off. Fortunately for my prospects of staying alive I don't think Rosas is that stupid and there are no bridges anywhere near me. The most likely scenario is the Warriors make a reasonable offer to the Wolves to trade up to one and get Wiseman. The second most likely scenario is the Hornets make a reasonable offer to trade up to one and get Wiseman. The third most likely scenario is the Wolves draft Wiseman whether he wants to play second fiddle to KAT or not. The fourth most likely is we draft Edwards. Are you saying the Police have released Beasley or the Wolves have?

I understand and respect your perspective, but as others have mentioned here already, I think the likelihood that the Warriors would trade up to #1 is next to zero. It’s okay, it’s a difference of opinion. But I’d be legitimately stunned if the Warriors moved up. There’s rampant speculation about them either using the pick or moving down, but there hasn’t been any source offering any speculation about them moving up.

Could they shock us? Sure. But my guess is that even if they think WIseman is a god and that they need to have them, they look at 3 potential things happening at the #1 pick:
1. The Wolves draft for themselves - in which case, it seems really unlikely that they’d take Wiseman, given the presence of KAT;
2. The Wolves trade the pick for somebody who wants somebody other than Wiseman (most likely, Ball)
3. The Wolves trade the pick for somebody who wants Wiseman - and by connotation, not only also has the assets to entice the Wolves to trade down, but the trade package is better than somebody in category 2. (i.e. if the Wolves are trading out of the #1 pick, they simply want the best deal, they don’t care what player that team wants.)

In this scenario, the Warriors love it for #1 or #2 to happen. So they’d have to assess “what’s the risk that #3 would happen?”

So let’s start with “who would really want Wiseman, and what trade package could/would they construct?”

The Hornets are the obvious candidate, but how good a package could they offer? It would have to start with the #3 pick, but what else do they have - and would be willing to give up? What exactly on their roster is that appealing - Miles Bridges? PJ Washington? Do the Hornets add future high-quality first-round picks? My guess is that the Hornets may blush at that, because they need multiple excellent talents, and if they trade future picks, they might make Wiseman a man on an island, with less chance of getting complementary stars. So what does a “probably best-case” package from the Hornets look like? #3, Miles Bridges, and a future protected #1 pick. Is that the best package the Wolves would get for the pick? And is it enough to trade the #1?

Who else would be so hot on Wiseman to offer a better package? I look around the league, and I don’t see much. If Atlanta hadn’t invested in Capela, they might have been a candidate with the #6 pick and change. Detroit? Maybe. But similar to Charlotte, what do they have on their roster, and future draft picks, that would entice Minnesota to move it?

Now think about teams that might be interested in LaMelo. Maybe the Knicks would mortgage the farm for him - who knows. Maybe Chicago. Given the deterioration in value of the center position, and the teams that have draft assets, the market for LaMelo (or, for that matter, if somebody falls in love with Edwards) to be higher than that for Wiseman.

My personal opinion is that the Wolves don’t get hit with a knockout offer for anybody, and end up using the pick themselves - and, most likely, taking Edwards. But if they make a trade, my hunch is that it’s to somebody else who doesn’t take Wiseman, and that he’ll be available at #2.

And, FWIW, I suspect that the Warriors wouldn’t need as much enticement to trade out of the #2 pick as the Wolves would need to trade out of the #1 pick.

Thanks for your most excellent reply. If the Wolves trade #1 and not to the Warriors it is almost certainly with Charlotte. We would be thrilled to get PJ Washington and 3. Likely no, but a man can dream. Charlotte takes Wiseman and you get to pick whoever other than Wiseman you want. That's the way I see it. We don't want to trade further back than that. Who do we want? My best guess is Edwards. With Wiseman gone what will the Warriors do? Most likely trade the pick for whoever they can get. I would guess to somebody who wants Ball. So the Wolves get whoever they want other than Wiseman or Ball and a free asset or two whatever that may be from Charlotte. We'd rather not risk you taking who we want at two so we're willing to take a quite reasonable offer to trade down to 2. Win/Win. If your management is not willing to be reasonable we make the deal with Charlotte. You lose for sure. We maybe miss out on our top pick. Unless Rosas is smarter than I think and just takes Wiseman and runs .

[ChuckDurn]

For the sake of the Minnesota future lottery pick we own, Anthony Edwards to the wolves would be marvelous

I don't hate Edwards. You really think he is going to suck that much?

I won’t speak for Digger, but I agree with him.

Edwards might become a star, but he has the profile of a guy who is going to come into the league and be really inefficient for a year or two while he finds his footing. So in 3-4 years he might be really good. But he’s going to struggle and won’t make the Wolves’ markedly better next year - and since the Wolves took him, the odds are that they didn’t make a trade to markedly improve the roster with established talent. So if they take and keep him, the Wolves probably will end up way down in the standings next year, and convey a really good pick to the Warriors.

At least that’s what I assume Digger means.

[KGdaBom]

For the sake of the Minnesota future lottery pick we own, Anthony Edwards to the wolves would be marvelous

I don't hate Edwards. You really think he is going to suck that much?

I won’t speak for Digger, but I agree with him.

Edwards might become a star, but he has the profile of a guy who is going to come into the league and be really inefficient for a year or two while he finds his footing. So in 3-4 years he might be really good. But he’s going to struggle and won’t make the Wolves’ markedly better next year - and since the Wolves took him, the odds are that they didn’t make a trade to markedly improve the roster with established talent. So if they take and keep him, the Wolves probably will end up way down in the standings next year, and convey a really good pick to the Warriors.

At least that’s what I assume Digger means.

And the Wolves pick top three next year.

[ChuckDurn]

If the Wolves take Ball I will throw a brick through my TV screen and look for a bridge to jump off. Fortunately for my prospects of staying alive I don't think Rosas is that stupid and there are no bridges anywhere near me. The most likely scenario is the Warriors make a reasonable offer to the Wolves to trade up to one and get Wiseman. The second most likely scenario is the Hornets make a reasonable offer to trade up to one and get Wiseman. The third most likely scenario is the Wolves draft Wiseman whether he wants to play second fiddle to KAT or not. The fourth most likely is we draft Edwards. Are you saying the Police have released Beasley or the Wolves have?

I understand and respect your perspective, but as others have mentioned here already, I think the likelihood that the Warriors would trade up to #1 is next to zero. It’s okay, it’s a difference of opinion. But I’d be legitimately stunned if the Warriors moved up. There’s rampant speculation about them either using the pick or moving down, but there hasn’t been any source offering any speculation about them moving up.

Could they shock us? Sure. But my guess is that even if they think WIseman is a god and that they need to have them, they look at 3 potential things happening at the #1 pick:
1. The Wolves draft for themselves - in which case, it seems really unlikely that they’d take Wiseman, given the presence of KAT;
2. The Wolves trade the pick for somebody who wants somebody other than Wiseman (most likely, Ball)
3. The Wolves trade the pick for somebody who wants Wiseman - and by connotation, not only also has the assets to entice the Wolves to trade down, but the trade package is better than somebody in category 2. (i.e. if the Wolves are trading out of the #1 pick, they simply want the best deal, they don’t care what player that team wants.)

In this scenario, the Warriors love it for #1 or #2 to happen. So they’d have to assess “what’s the risk that #3 would happen?”

So let’s start with “who would really want Wiseman, and what trade package could/would they construct?”

The Hornets are the obvious candidate, but how good a package could they offer? It would have to start with the #3 pick, but what else do they have - and would be willing to give up? What exactly on their roster is that appealing - Miles Bridges? PJ Washington? Do the Hornets add future high-quality first-round picks? My guess is that the Hornets may blush at that, because they need multiple excellent talents, and if they trade future picks, they might make Wiseman a man on an island, with less chance of getting complementary stars. So what does a “probably best-case” package from the Hornets look like? #3, Miles Bridges, and a future protected #1 pick. Is that the best package the Wolves would get for the pick? And is it enough to trade the #1?

Who else would be so hot on Wiseman to offer a better package? I look around the league, and I don’t see much. If Atlanta hadn’t invested in Capela, they might have been a candidate with the #6 pick and change. Detroit? Maybe. But similar to Charlotte, what do they have on their roster, and future draft picks, that would entice Minnesota to move it?

Now think about teams that might be interested in LaMelo. Maybe the Knicks would mortgage the farm for him - who knows. Maybe Chicago. Given the deterioration in value of the center position, and the teams that have draft assets, the market for LaMelo (or, for that matter, if somebody falls in love with Edwards) to be higher than that for Wiseman.

My personal opinion is that the Wolves don’t get hit with a knockout offer for anybody, and end up using the pick themselves - and, most likely, taking Edwards. But if they make a trade, my hunch is that it’s to somebody else who doesn’t take Wiseman, and that he’ll be available at #2.

And, FWIW, I suspect that the Warriors wouldn’t need as much enticement to trade out of the #2 pick as the Wolves would need to trade out of the #1 pick.

Thanks for your most excellent reply. If the Wolves trade #1 and not to the Warriors it is almost certainly with Charlotte. We would be thrilled to get PJ Washington and 3. Likely no, but a man can dream. Charlotte takes Wiseman and you get to pick whoever other than Wiseman you want. That's the way I see it. We don't want to trade further back than that. Who do we want? My best guess is Edwards. With Wiseman gone what will the Warriors do? Most likely trade the pick for whoever they can get. I would guess to somebody who wants Ball. So the Wolves get whoever they want other than Wiseman or Ball and a free asset or two whatever that may be from Charlotte. We'd rather not risk you taking who we want at two so we're willing to take a quite reasonable offer to trade down to 2. Win/Win. If your management is not willing to be reasonable we make the deal with Charlotte. You lose for sure. We maybe miss out on our top pick. Unless Rosas is smarter than I think and just takes Wiseman and runs .

So your fourth sentence suggests that you don’t think Charlotte would make a deal you’d want, and then later you say the Warriors “lose for sure”. Isn’t that a little..... inconsistent?

And the largest speculation recently is that in the case that if Wiseman is gone, Edwards appears the Warriors’ second choice. So your gamble is that the Warriors won’t take Edwards, and that he’ll be there at the #3 pick, were a deal with Charlotte made. What if you’re wrong, and you’re now staring at taking Ball, or seeing what you can get for him - when everybody knows you wouldn’t want him?

My point is that you seem to be overly confident in scenarios which - for clear reasons - other people don’t believe are possible. And, sorry to say, it comes across as homerism. This isn’t to say that I don’t appreciate your open-ness. But hopefully your realize why we’re pretty certain that the scenario you portray (a virtual NEED to trade up) is, almost certainly not going to happen. It’s predicated on so many assumptions that are unlikely - that the Warriors have a huge preference for Wiseman over anybody else, and that somebody else - with great assets and the best possible trade package - would leapfrog us, even if it is the case.

[ChuckDurn]

I don't hate Edwards. You really think he is going to suck that much?

I won’t speak for Digger, but I agree with him.

Edwards might become a star, but he has the profile of a guy who is going to come into the league and be really inefficient for a year or two while he finds his footing. So in 3-4 years he might be really good. But he’s going to struggle and won’t make the Wolves’ markedly better next year - and since the Wolves took him, the odds are that they didn’t make a trade to markedly improve the roster with established talent. So if they take and keep him, the Wolves probably will end up way down in the standings next year, and convey a really good pick to the Warriors.

At least that’s what I assume Digger means.

And the Wolves pick top three next year.

Recall that even with the league’s worst record this year, the Warriors only had about a 50% chance of keeping a top-4 pick. I think it was around 40% of being in the top 3. (I’m just too lazy to look up exactly what the odds are.)

With Russell, KAT, and Edwards, I don’t think the Wolves would have the worst record in the league. The asset-poor Hornets and Cavaliers almost certainly will be below them, maybe the Pistons, Kings, etc...... But if the Wolves have the 4th or 5th worst record in the league, that’s probably about where the pick would end up, and is the most likely scenario - in my opinion.

[Chupchup]

I don't hate Edwards. You really think he is going to suck that much?

I won’t speak for Digger, but I agree with him.

Edwards might become a star, but he has the profile of a guy who is going to come into the league and be really inefficient for a year or two while he finds his footing. So in 3-4 years he might be really good. But he’s going to struggle and won’t make the Wolves’ markedly better next year - and since the Wolves took him, the odds are that they didn’t make a trade to markedly improve the roster with established talent. So if they take and keep him, the Wolves probably will end up way down in the standings next year, and convey a really good pick to the Warriors.

At least that’s what I assume Digger means.

And the Wolves pick top three next year.

Which is fine too.. that just means we will get 2022 wolves 1st unprotected!

[KGdaBom]

I understand and respect your perspective, but as others have mentioned here already, I think the likelihood that the Warriors would trade up to #1 is next to zero. It’s okay, it’s a difference of opinion. But I’d be legitimately stunned if the Warriors moved up. There’s rampant speculation about them either using the pick or moving down, but there hasn’t been any source offering any speculation about them moving up.

Could they shock us? Sure. But my guess is that even if they think WIseman is a god and that they need to have them, they look at 3 potential things happening at the #1 pick:
1. The Wolves draft for themselves - in which case, it seems really unlikely that they’d take Wiseman, given the presence of KAT;
2. The Wolves trade the pick for somebody who wants somebody other than Wiseman (most likely, Ball)
3. The Wolves trade the pick for somebody who wants Wiseman - and by connotation, not only also has the assets to entice the Wolves to trade down, but the trade package is better than somebody in category 2. (i.e. if the Wolves are trading out of the #1 pick, they simply want the best deal, they don’t care what player that team wants.)

In this scenario, the Warriors love it for #1 or #2 to happen. So they’d have to assess “what’s the risk that #3 would happen?”

So let’s start with “who would really want Wiseman, and what trade package could/would they construct?”

The Hornets are the obvious candidate, but how good a package could they offer? It would have to start with the #3 pick, but what else do they have - and would be willing to give up? What exactly on their roster is that appealing - Miles Bridges? PJ Washington? Do the Hornets add future high-quality first-round picks? My guess is that the Hornets may blush at that, because they need multiple excellent talents, and if they trade future picks, they might make Wiseman a man on an island, with less chance of getting complementary stars. So what does a “probably best-case” package from the Hornets look like? #3, Miles Bridges, and a future protected #1 pick. Is that the best package the Wolves would get for the pick? And is it enough to trade the #1?

Who else would be so hot on Wiseman to offer a better package? I look around the league, and I don’t see much. If Atlanta hadn’t invested in Capela, they might have been a candidate with the #6 pick and change. Detroit? Maybe. But similar to Charlotte, what do they have on their roster, and future draft picks, that would entice Minnesota to move it?

Now think about teams that might be interested in LaMelo. Maybe the Knicks would mortgage the farm for him - who knows. Maybe Chicago. Given the deterioration in value of the center position, and the teams that have draft assets, the market for LaMelo (or, for that matter, if somebody falls in love with Edwards) to be higher than that for Wiseman.

My personal opinion is that the Wolves don’t get hit with a knockout offer for anybody, and end up using the pick themselves - and, most likely, taking Edwards. But if they make a trade, my hunch is that it’s to somebody else who doesn’t take Wiseman, and that he’ll be available at #2.

And, FWIW, I suspect that the Warriors wouldn’t need as much enticement to trade out of the #2 pick as the Wolves would need to trade out of the #1 pick.

Thanks for your most excellent reply. If the Wolves trade #1 and not to the Warriors it is almost certainly with Charlotte. We would be thrilled to get PJ Washington and 3. Likely no, but a man can dream. Charlotte takes Wiseman and you get to pick whoever other than Wiseman you want. That's the way I see it. We don't want to trade further back than that. Who do we want? My best guess is Edwards. With Wiseman gone what will the Warriors do? Most likely trade the pick for whoever they can get. I would guess to somebody who wants Ball. So the Wolves get whoever they want other than Wiseman or Ball and a free asset or two whatever that may be from Charlotte. We'd rather not risk you taking who we want at two so we're willing to take a quite reasonable offer to trade down to 2. Win/Win. If your management is not willing to be reasonable we make the deal with Charlotte. You lose for sure. We maybe miss out on our top pick. Unless Rosas is smarter than I think and just takes Wiseman and runs .

So your fourth sentence suggests that you don’t think Charlotte would make a deal you’d want, and then later you say the Warriors “lose for sure”. Isn’t that a little..... inconsistent?

And the largest speculation recently is that in the case that if Wiseman is gone, Edwards appears the Warriors’ second choice. So your gamble is that the Warriors won’t take Edwards, and that he’ll be there at the #3 pick, were a deal with Charlotte made. What if you’re wrong, and you’re now staring at taking Ball, or seeing what you can get for him - when everybody knows you wouldn’t want him?

My point is that you seem to be overly confident in scenarios which - for clear reasons - other people don’t believe are possible. And, sorry to say, it comes across as homerism. This isn’t to say that I don’t appreciate your open-ness. But hopefully your realize why we’re pretty certain that the scenario you portray (a virtual NEED to trade up) is, almost certainly not going to happen. It’s predicated on so many assumptions that are unlikely - that the Warriors have a huge preference for Wiseman over anybody else, and that somebody else - with great assets and the best possible trade package - would leapfrog us, even if it is the case.

Charlotte makes a deal we want, but would be easy for the Warriors to top. Edwards is my 4th choice anyway. So if we don't draft Wiseman I'm happy with the deal with Charlotte pretty much no matter what. I'm making a strong statement regarding the Warriors and Wiseman. If they can't make a trade for a Star. Not a Kelly Oubre type deal than they have to come out of this draft with Wiseman. Anything else is a fail. Since you have the #2 pick it would take so little to move up you will look ridiculous for not doing such.

[KGdaBom]

I won’t speak for Digger, but I agree with him.

Edwards might become a star, but he has the profile of a guy who is going to come into the league and be really inefficient for a year or two while he finds his footing. So in 3-4 years he might be really good. But he’s going to struggle and won’t make the Wolves’ markedly better next year - and since the Wolves took him, the odds are that they didn’t make a trade to markedly improve the roster with established talent. So if they take and keep him, the Wolves probably will end up way down in the standings next year, and convey a really good pick to the Warriors.

At least that’s what I assume Digger means.

And the Wolves pick top three next year.

Which is fine too.. that just means we will get 2022 wolves 1st unprotected!

Yeah but then we're a playoff team again.
Wolves win and Warriors lose.

[ILOVEIT]

And the Wolves pick top three next year.

Which is fine too.. that just means we will get 2022 wolves 1st unprotected!

Yeah but then we're a playoff team again.
Wolves win and Warriors lose.

Imagine you have Kat, Dlo. Neither interested at all in playing defense (DLo is not capable really)....Now imagine you add a...19 year old with a questionable motor for the game.

In what universe do you see that team becoming a playoff team in the West. Who will you be beating out?

I actually like the Wolves franchise...some of their teams in the past with Love and Rubio etc....But I just don't see an upside to having your core be based on Dlo and Kat.

[ChuckDurn]

Thanks for your most excellent reply. If the Wolves trade #1 and not to the Warriors it is almost certainly with Charlotte. We would be thrilled to get PJ Washington and 3. Likely no, but a man can dream. Charlotte takes Wiseman and you get to pick whoever other than Wiseman you want. That's the way I see it. We don't want to trade further back than that. Who do we want? My best guess is Edwards. With Wiseman gone what will the Warriors do? Most likely trade the pick for whoever they can get. I would guess to somebody who wants Ball. So the Wolves get whoever they want other than Wiseman or Ball and a free asset or two whatever that may be from Charlotte. We'd rather not risk you taking who we want at two so we're willing to take a quite reasonable offer to trade down to 2. Win/Win. If your management is not willing to be reasonable we make the deal with Charlotte. You lose for sure. We maybe miss out on our top pick. Unless Rosas is smarter than I think and just takes Wiseman and runs .

So your fourth sentence suggests that you don’t think Charlotte would make a deal you’d want, and then later you say the Warriors “lose for sure”. Isn’t that a little..... inconsistent?

And the largest speculation recently is that in the case that if Wiseman is gone, Edwards appears the Warriors’ second choice. So your gamble is that the Warriors won’t take Edwards, and that he’ll be there at the #3 pick, were a deal with Charlotte made. What if you’re wrong, and you’re now staring at taking Ball, or seeing what you can get for him - when everybody knows you wouldn’t want him?

My point is that you seem to be overly confident in scenarios which - for clear reasons - other people don’t believe are possible. And, sorry to say, it comes across as homerism. This isn’t to say that I don’t appreciate your open-ness. But hopefully your realize why we’re pretty certain that the scenario you portray (a virtual NEED to trade up) is, almost certainly not going to happen. It’s predicated on so many assumptions that are unlikely - that the Warriors have a huge preference for Wiseman over anybody else, and that somebody else - with great assets and the best possible trade package - would leapfrog us, even if it is the case.

Charlotte makes a deal we want, but would be easy for the Warriors to top. Edwards is my 4th choice anyway. So if we don't draft Wiseman I'm happy with the deal with Charlotte pretty much no matter what. I'm making a strong statement regarding the Warriors and Wiseman. If they can't make a trade for a Star. Not a Kelly Oubre type deal than they have to come out of this draft with Wiseman. Anything else is a fail. Since you have the #2 pick it would take so little to move up you will look ridiculous for not doing such.

In your last couple of posts, here’s what you’ve said: the Warriors need to top an offer that Charlotte probably wouldn’t make (including Washington), to draft the singular talent that apparently isn’t special enough for the Wolves.

Okay. I think I’m done here.

[ILOVEIT]

The need to trade is to beat Charlottes offer, because Charlotte is drafting the guy the the Ws want.

Haha . Go ahead an take James Wiseman at #1 then. He could be another KAT as per the Ringer vid.

The Hornets aren't trading for him with your team. The Hornets said they would be happy with LaMelo Ball or Anthony Edwards. The Warriors will likely take LaMelo Ball to use as backup PG or in a later trade. They also could deal LaMelo to the Knicks on draft day.

The TWolves will likely take LaMelo Ball as he's the most tradeable asset.

Lamelo Ball is pure crap. No interest in him whatsoever. I think our management is smarter than that. If you guys don't take Wiseman if given the opportunity you will regret it BIG TIME.

I'm with you on the LaMelo assessment. BTW...imagine in a work out he was asked to shoot 20 3's in a row...with noone guarding him from any spot on the floor. I get the sense that his fundamentals are so jacked that he would hit 50% maybe?

[jason bourne]

Lamelo Ball is pure crap. No interest in him whatsoever. I think our management is smarter than that. If you guys don't take Wiseman if given the opportunity you will regret it BIG TIME.

You're entitled to your opinion. What happens if the TWolves take LaMelo #1?

I can see the TWolves taking Anthony Edwards at #1 as he's a consensus top 3 pick and could start at SG since Malik Beasley was arrested and released. He would fit your team the best. Of course, they could take James Wiseman as trade bait or to keep, but he's already said he doesn't want to be drafted by the TWolves b/c KAT is there. Apparently, he's used to playing the 5. Could KAT play the 4?

Thus, until the TWolves take Wiseman at #1, there won't be anything happening except trading down for the Warriors. In the likelihood they don't get a deal they like, then they'll take James Wiseman or LaMelo Ball imho. They may not go for Anthony Edwards b/c he's too ball dominant at SG.

If the Wolves take Ball I will throw a brick through my TV screen and look for a bridge to jump off. Fortunately for my prospects of staying alive I don't think Rosas is that stupid and there are no bridges anywhere near me. The most likely scenario is the Warriors make a reasonable offer to the Wolves to trade up to one and get Wiseman. The second most likely scenario is the Hornets make a reasonable offer to trade up to one and get Wiseman. The third most likely scenario is the Wolves draft Wiseman whether he wants to play second fiddle to KAT or not. The fourth most likely is we draft Edwards. Are you saying the Police have released Beasley or the Wolves have?

I can see that I am not getting through to you of nothing happens with Wiseman until the TWolves pick him. The Warriors can trade for his draft rights in that case if they want him or draft LaMelo (my pick) or Anthony Edwards (not my pick). The Warriors thinking has been to trade down instead of trading up just like the TWolves. Thus, my thinking is the TWolves will take LaMelo as trade bait with the Knicks or another team in order to trade down. If they get no offers for saying they'll take LaMelo, then they take Anthony Edwards and the Warriors grab James Wiseman. If the TWolves take James Wiseman as trade bait, then Warriors take LaMelo as backup PG and later trade bait.

Beasley news
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/timberwolves-malik-beasley-released-from-jail-not-facing-charges-after-arrest/ar-BB19thIt

[KGdaBom]

Which is fine too.. that just means we will get 2022 wolves 1st unprotected!

Yeah but then we're a playoff team again.
Wolves win and Warriors lose.

Imagine you have Kat, Dlo. Neither interested at all in playing defense (DLo is not capable really)....Now imagine you add a...19 year old with a questionable motor for the game.

In what universe do you see that team becoming a playoff team in the West. Who will you be beating out?

I actually like the Wolves franchise...some of their teams in the past with Love and Rubio etc....But I just don't see an upside to having your core be based on Dlo and Kat.

KAT's lack of D is ridiculously overrated. In this scenario we would have Edwards in his second year and somebody sensational from the 21 draft. Plus Culver coming around. Naz Reid is a good one. Okogie locking people down. Hopefully Beasley doesn't go to jail and plays great for us. We could be a playoff team in the 21-22 season no problem at all.

[KGdaBom]

You're entitled to your opinion. What happens if the TWolves take LaMelo #1?

I can see the TWolves taking Anthony Edwards at #1 as he's a consensus top 3 pick and could start at SG since Malik Beasley was arrested and released. He would fit your team the best. Of course, they could take James Wiseman as trade bait or to keep, but he's already said he doesn't want to be drafted by the TWolves b/c KAT is there. Apparently, he's used to playing the 5. Could KAT play the 4?

Thus, until the TWolves take Wiseman at #1, there won't be anything happening except trading down for the Warriors. In the likelihood they don't get a deal they like, then they'll take James Wiseman or LaMelo Ball imho. They may not go for Anthony Edwards b/c he's too ball dominant at SG.

If the Wolves take Ball I will throw a brick through my TV screen and look for a bridge to jump off. Fortunately for my prospects of staying alive I don't think Rosas is that stupid and there are no bridges anywhere near me. The most likely scenario is the Warriors make a reasonable offer to the Wolves to trade up to one and get Wiseman. The second most likely scenario is the Hornets make a reasonable offer to trade up to one and get Wiseman. The third most likely scenario is the Wolves draft Wiseman whether he wants to play second fiddle to KAT or not. The fourth most likely is we draft Edwards. Are you saying the Police have released Beasley or the Wolves have?

I can see that I am not getting through to you of nothing happens with Wiseman until the TWolves pick him. The Warriors can trade for his draft rights in that case if they want him or draft LaMelo (my pick) or Anthony Edwards (not my pick). The Warriors thinking has been to trade down instead of trading up just like the TWolves. Thus, my thinking is the TWolves will take LaMelo as trade bait with the Knicks or another team in order to trade down. If they get no offers for saying they'll take LaMelo, then they take Anthony Edwards and the Warriors grab James Wiseman. If the TWolves take James Wiseman as trade bait, then Warriors take LaMelo as backup PG and later trade bait.

Beasley news
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/timberwolves-malik-beasley-released-from-jail-not-facing-charges-after-arrest/ar-BB19thIt

Jason I disagree with your take that the Wolves have to draft Wiseman first. We either accept the Charlotte offer or you top it.
Beasley is facing charges now. That news you provided is way OLD.

[KGdaBom]

So your fourth sentence suggests that you don’t think Charlotte would make a deal you’d want, and then later you say the Warriors “lose for sure”. Isn’t that a little..... inconsistent?

And the largest speculation recently is that in the case that if Wiseman is gone, Edwards appears the Warriors’ second choice. So your gamble is that the Warriors won’t take Edwards, and that he’ll be there at the #3 pick, were a deal with Charlotte made. What if you’re wrong, and you’re now staring at taking Ball, or seeing what you can get for him - when everybody knows you wouldn’t want him?

My point is that you seem to be overly confident in scenarios which - for clear reasons - other people don’t believe are possible. And, sorry to say, it comes across as homerism. This isn’t to say that I don’t appreciate your open-ness. But hopefully your realize why we’re pretty certain that the scenario you portray (a virtual NEED to trade up) is, almost certainly not going to happen. It’s predicated on so many assumptions that are unlikely - that the Warriors have a huge preference for Wiseman over anybody else, and that somebody else - with great assets and the best possible trade package - would leapfrog us, even if it is the case.

Charlotte makes a deal we want, but would be easy for the Warriors to top. Edwards is my 4th choice anyway. So if we don't draft Wiseman I'm happy with the deal with Charlotte pretty much no matter what. I'm making a strong statement regarding the Warriors and Wiseman. If they can't make a trade for a Star. Not a Kelly Oubre type deal than they have to come out of this draft with Wiseman. Anything else is a fail. Since you have the #2 pick it would take so little to move up you will look ridiculous for not doing such.

In your last couple of posts, here’s what you’ve said: the Warriors need to top an offer that Charlotte probably wouldn’t make (including Washington), to draft the singular talent that apparently isn’t special enough for the Wolves.

Okay. I think I’m done here.

Washington and 3 for 1 is my dream scenario. Washington would immediately be by far our best PF who could play some SF. What's more likely is Bridges, 3 and next years somewhat protected FRP. If we're not drafting Wiseman I personally would find that offer either acceptable or what I tell the Warriors they have to top.

[ShayDee]

And the Wolves pick top three next year.

Which is fine too.. that just means we will get 2022 wolves 1st unprotected!

Yeah but then we're a playoff team again.
Wolves win and Warriors lose.

In my opinion, it's the best interest for the wolves to try and not tank again. Your team should try and win as many games and let you r pick come to us or whoever we trade it to. Because the 2022 draft looks better than 2021 imo. Far more franchise talents and it might be the double draft. So if you guys tank this year and get a top 3 pick, then I don't see you guys getting better in 2022 season, and that is 1 more year of KAT being more upset and might request to get traded. So your 2022 season would be over and the pick would be in the lottery with that juicy class. If you guys win alot this year and the pick is between 9-14 then it is not as enticing