2020 Draft Thread, Part 2

[KGdaBom]

Which is fine too.. that just means we will get 2022 wolves 1st unprotected!

Yeah but then we're a playoff team again.
Wolves win and Warriors lose.

In my opinion, it's the best interest for the wolves to try and not tank again. Your team should try and win as many games and let you r pick come to us or whoever we trade it to. Because the 2022 draft looks better than 2021 imo. Far more franchise talents and it might be the double draft. So if you guys tank this year and get a top 3 pick, then I don't see you guys getting better in 2022 season, and that is 1 more year of KAT being more upset and might request to get traded. So your 2022 season would be over and the pick would be in the lottery with that juicy class. If you guys win alot this year and the pick is between 9-14 then it is not as enticing

That reply was mostly joking regarding the thinking that if we draft Edwards we are going to super suck in 21 thus getting a top three pick in that years draft. Then with Edwards maturing and the superstar we get from the 21 draft we are a playoff team in 22. The Wolves don't tank. Last year we played more or less without KAT all year. We won't be tanking this season. We will be OK.

[jason bourne]

Haha . Go ahead an take James Wiseman at #1 then. He could be another KAT as per the Ringer vid.

The Hornets aren't trading for him with your team. The Hornets said they would be happy with LaMelo Ball or Anthony Edwards. The Warriors will likely take LaMelo Ball to use as backup PG or in a later trade. They also could deal LaMelo to the Knicks on draft day.

The TWolves will likely take LaMelo Ball as he's the most tradeable asset.

Lamelo Ball is pure crap. No interest in him whatsoever. I think our management is smarter than that. If you guys don't take Wiseman if given the opportunity you will regret it BIG TIME.

I'm with you on the LaMelo assessment. BTW...imagine in a work out he was asked to shoot 20 3's in a row...with noone guarding him from any spot on the floor. I get the sense that his fundamentals are so jacked that he would hit 50% maybe?

LaMelo is known to be a playmaker and is not pure crap. He averaged 17 ppg, 6.8 apg, 7.6 rpg, 1,6 stls, and 72% FT% in his pro year with Illawarra. He may not have interviewed well, but he's the best pure PG in the draft. The Warriors don't have to rely on LaMelo as a perimeter scorer, but as a playmaker and that's his best strength. I doubt you will find a quicker first step than Anthony Edwards in the draft nor a pure playmaking PG like LaMelo Ball in the 2020 NBA Draft.

Will the Twolves pass up either in order to draft James Wiseman in the draft? Highlty doubtful.

[KGdaBom]

Lamelo Ball is pure crap. No interest in him whatsoever. I think our management is smarter than that. If you guys don't take Wiseman if given the opportunity you will regret it BIG TIME.

I'm with you on the LaMelo assessment. BTW...imagine in a work out he was asked to shoot 20 3's in a row...with noone guarding him from any spot on the floor. I get the sense that his fundamentals are so jacked that he would hit 50% maybe?

LaMelo is known to be a playmaker and is not pure crap. He averaged 17 ppg, 6.8 apg, 7.6 rpg, 1,6 stls, and 72% FT% in his pro year with Illawarra. He may not have interviewed well, but he's the best pure PG in the draft. The Warriors don't have to rely on LaMelo as a perimeter scorer, but as a playmaker and that's his best strength. I doubt you will find a quicker first step than Anthony Edwards in the draft nor a pure playmaking PG like LaMelo Ball in the 2020 NBA Draft.

Will the Twolves pass up either in order to draft James Wiseman in the draft? Highlty doubtful.

I realize his two strong points. He's an excellent ball handler in just about every way. He also rebounds very well for the PG position. However, his shot is broken beyond any hope of repair and by some metrics he was the single worst defender in the entire not very good NBL. For being considered at the top of the draft IMO he is pure crap. Your opinion clearly differs from mine.

As for Wiseman he is so far above Ball and Edwards there is no comparison IMO. I don't care about the idea that he can't play with KAT. I think he can just fine. What I think will happen is the Wolves will accept an offer from either the Warriors or the Hornets to trade down from 1 to 2 or 3. It just makes far too much sense for both teams involved.

[ChuckDurn]

Charlotte makes a deal we want, but would be easy for the Warriors to top. Edwards is my 4th choice anyway. So if we don't draft Wiseman I'm happy with the deal with Charlotte pretty much no matter what. I'm making a strong statement regarding the Warriors and Wiseman. If they can't make a trade for a Star. Not a Kelly Oubre type deal than they have to come out of this draft with Wiseman. Anything else is a fail. Since you have the #2 pick it would take so little to move up you will look ridiculous for not doing such.

In your last couple of posts, here’s what you’ve said: the Warriors need to top an offer that Charlotte probably wouldn’t make (including Washington), to draft the singular talent that apparently isn’t special enough for the Wolves.

Okay. I think I’m done here.

Washington and 3 for 1 is my dream scenario. Washington would immediately be by far our best PF who could play some SF. What's more likely is Bridges, 3 and next years somewhat protected FRP. If we're not drafting Wiseman I personally would find that offer either acceptable or what I tell the Warriors they have to top.

If you get either of those offers from Charlotte, God bless you. I just doubt they’d be willing to offer that much (particularly a valuable future draft pick), knowing that they’d be risking pretty much everything on one guy, and taking pieces from their already bare cupboard.

We’ll see what happens.

[whatisacenter]

Thanks for your most excellent reply. If the Wolves trade #1 and not to the Warriors it is almost certainly with Charlotte. We would be thrilled to get PJ Washington and 3. Likely no, but a man can dream. Charlotte takes Wiseman and you get to pick whoever other than Wiseman you want. That's the way I see it. We don't want to trade further back than that. Who do we want? My best guess is Edwards. With Wiseman gone what will the Warriors do? Most likely trade the pick for whoever they can get. I would guess to somebody who wants Ball. So the Wolves get whoever they want other than Wiseman or Ball and a free asset or two whatever that may be from Charlotte. We'd rather not risk you taking who we want at two so we're willing to take a quite reasonable offer to trade down to 2. Win/Win. If your management is not willing to be reasonable we make the deal with Charlotte. You lose for sure. We maybe miss out on our top pick. Unless Rosas is smarter than I think and just takes Wiseman and runs .

So your fourth sentence suggests that you don’t think Charlotte would make a deal you’d want, and then later you say the Warriors “lose for sure”. Isn’t that a little..... inconsistent?

And the largest speculation recently is that in the case that if Wiseman is gone, Edwards appears the Warriors’ second choice. So your gamble is that the Warriors won’t take Edwards, and that he’ll be there at the #3 pick, were a deal with Charlotte made. What if you’re wrong, and you’re now staring at taking Ball, or seeing what you can get for him - when everybody knows you wouldn’t want him?

My point is that you seem to be overly confident in scenarios which - for clear reasons - other people don’t believe are possible. And, sorry to say, it comes across as homerism. This isn’t to say that I don’t appreciate your open-ness. But hopefully your realize why we’re pretty certain that the scenario you portray (a virtual NEED to trade up) is, almost certainly not going to happen. It’s predicated on so many assumptions that are unlikely - that the Warriors have a huge preference for Wiseman over anybody else, and that somebody else - with great assets and the best possible trade package - would leapfrog us, even if it is the case.

Charlotte makes a deal we want, but would be easy for the Warriors to top. Edwards is my 4th choice anyway. So if we don't draft Wiseman I'm happy with the deal with Charlotte pretty much no matter what. I'm making a strong statement regarding the Warriors and Wiseman. If they can't make a trade for a Star. Not a Kelly Oubre type deal than they have to come out of this draft with Wiseman. Anything else is a fail. Since you have the #2 pick it would take so little to move up you will look ridiculous for not doing such.

Then have fun making a deal with the Hornets and that's if they even actually want Wiseman. It's lying season and teams are just trying to scout prospects and create smokescreens so they can get the player they covet. You have to take every rumor that is written with a grain of salt, it is fun to consider them but most of the time they never come to fruition. You don't know if Minny will trade their pick, or keep it, and you don't have any idea what the Warriors are trying to do with their assets and who they may covet in the draft if they even keep the pick. And man, you are coming in here talking about the Warriors NEEDING to trade up and take Wiseman or look like fools in a draft where almost every pundit has said there is no clear number 1 pick. It's hard to take you seriously when the guy you're talking about has played ONE game in college against a top program and has question marks just like every prospect in the draft yet you know that the Dubs will regret missing out on their franchise center if they don't trade up for him. If Wiseman goes no. 1, cool, we will take someone else and pick up a JaVale type rim runner and get more production out of him than we would out of a 19 year old playing his first season with a short training camp. There have been many reports saying that the Warriors would prefer to trade the pick and none suggesting that they might want to trade up, you are alone on that island.

[Coxy]

if he was one of them not only would you have to return next years FRP to the Wolves you would have to include multiple unprotected FRPs and Paschall. Wiseman is likely. Much better than possible. You really want to quibble over giving up a late FRP over that. Then Wiseman will be that likely franchise center for Charlotte. You will be kicking yourself for years over blowing this one.

Why would you care so much what the Warriors are going to do anyway? If you think Wiseman is going to be that good, then you should be all in on Minny picking him. I personally think you guys are going to select Edwards anyway, and keep him, and the Warriors will get Wiseman. If you guys pick Wiseman, and trade him to Charlotte, we pick Edwards, which I think most are going to be cool with as well. Minnesota would have likely played themselves then, because you'll end up with Deni, or Okoro, or Ball, or something a notch below the top 2 guys, and it's likely to move up that Charlotte parts ways with something that doesn't pan out for Minny.

I don't get your air of posting here, like you are in some sort of position of power over the Warriors, with Charlotte your leverage to do so. The Warriors will be happy with either player, you are throwing your weight around for nothing in these parts. Better off spending your time on the Charlotte board to see what their fans would be willing to trade, because quite frankly my dear, we don't give a damn.

What I'm doing here is discussing the possibility of a Wolves/Warriors trade. Not throwing any weight. You guys are so lucky to have the 2nd pick this year, because it puts you in a great position to get your franchise center. If I were the Wolves GM you would have zero chance to get him, but I'm not and I think Rosas would be willing to trade the #1 to you for #2 and a minor asset thrown in like your 21 FRP. I think your GM will prove a lot wiser than it seems most of the Real GM posters seem to be quibbling over this and risking not getting Wiseman. If you don't end up with Wiseman out of this draft you are going to look like fools in a few years.

Is it possible you get him without trading up? Sure. Why risk it.

Meh, you're spitting hypotheticals like you thnk you know what Rosas and Myers are going to want come the draft. You're also talking like Wiseman is a lock to be an all star or something, again, you have no idea of that, just your opinion. Myers pulled Minnesota's pants down on the Dlo/Wiggins deal, so I'm sure he'll be just fine dealing with them again if they want to tango once more, IF Wiseman is in fact coveted and Rosas wants to try and haggle.

I'll bookmark this stuff, and revisit draft day. If we end up with Wiseman at #2, I sure hope you'll be ready for your large serving of crow.

[jason bourne]

Yeah but then we're a playoff team again.
Wolves win and Warriors lose.

In my opinion, it's the best interest for the wolves to try and not tank again. Your team should try and win as many games and let you r pick come to us or whoever we trade it to. Because the 2022 draft looks better than 2021 imo. Far more franchise talents and it might be the double draft. So if you guys tank this year and get a top 3 pick, then I don't see you guys getting better in 2022 season, and that is 1 more year of KAT being more upset and might request to get traded. So your 2022 season would be over and the pick would be in the lottery with that juicy class. If you guys win alot this year and the pick is between 9-14 then it is not as enticing

That reply was mostly joking regarding the thinking that if we draft Edwards we are going to super suck in 21 thus getting a top three pick in that years draft. Then with Edwards maturing and the superstar we get from the 21 draft we are a playoff team in 22. The Wolves don't tank. Last year we played more or less without KAT all year. We won't be tanking this season. We will be OK.

If the TWolves are past tanking, then they should be ready to compete. IOW, they plan to make it to the playoffs next season. Are the Twolves ready to do that?

I think the TWolves aren't there yet and it means drafting Anthony Edwards. If you disagree, then the TWolves can take the best trade bait available in LaMelo Ball or James Wiseman. It's the TWolves call. I think the best guy to get offers for trade is LaMeo Ball. He will entice any team with a big man, but has not made it to the playoffs as much as they like. Otherwise, I'm on board with drafting James Wisman at #2 or somehow trading the #2 pick/Wiseman for a differnt impact player. I doubt the latter is there.

[KGdaBom]

In your last couple of posts, here’s what you’ve said: the Warriors need to top an offer that Charlotte probably wouldn’t make (including Washington), to draft the singular talent that apparently isn’t special enough for the Wolves.

Okay. I think I’m done here.

Washington and 3 for 1 is my dream scenario. Washington would immediately be by far our best PF who could play some SF. What's more likely is Bridges, 3 and next years somewhat protected FRP. If we're not drafting Wiseman I personally would find that offer either acceptable or what I tell the Warriors they have to top.

If you get either of those offers from Charlotte, God bless you. I just doubt they’d be willing to offer that much (particularly a valuable future draft pick), knowing that they’d be risking pretty much everything on one guy, and taking pieces from their already bare cupboard.

We’ll see what happens.

If I were to bet on whether the Wolves make a trade with one of the Hornets or Warriors I would bet on it happening.

[KGdaBom]

Why would you care so much what the Warriors are going to do anyway? If you think Wiseman is going to be that good, then you should be all in on Minny picking him. I personally think you guys are going to select Edwards anyway, and keep him, and the Warriors will get Wiseman. If you guys pick Wiseman, and trade him to Charlotte, we pick Edwards, which I think most are going to be cool with as well. Minnesota would have likely played themselves then, because you'll end up with Deni, or Okoro, or Ball, or something a notch below the top 2 guys, and it's likely to move up that Charlotte parts ways with something that doesn't pan out for Minny.

I don't get your air of posting here, like you are in some sort of position of power over the Warriors, with Charlotte your leverage to do so. The Warriors will be happy with either player, you are throwing your weight around for nothing in these parts. Better off spending your time on the Charlotte board to see what their fans would be willing to trade, because quite frankly my dear, we don't give a damn.

What I'm doing here is discussing the possibility of a Wolves/Warriors trade. Not throwing any weight. You guys are so lucky to have the 2nd pick this year, because it puts you in a great position to get your franchise center. If I were the Wolves GM you would have zero chance to get him, but I'm not and I think Rosas would be willing to trade the #1 to you for #2 and a minor asset thrown in like your 21 FRP. I think your GM will prove a lot wiser than it seems most of the Real GM posters seem to be quibbling over this and risking not getting Wiseman. If you don't end up with Wiseman out of this draft you are going to look like fools in a few years.

Is it possible you get him without trading up? Sure. Why risk it.

Meh, you're spitting hypotheticals like you thnk you know what Rosas and Myers are going to want come the draft. You're also talking like Wiseman is a lock to be an all star or something, again, you have no idea of that, just your opinion. Myers pulled Minnesota's pants down on the Dlo/Wiggins deal, so I'm sure he'll be just fine dealing with them again if they want to tango once more, IF Wiseman is in fact coveted and Rosas wants to try and haggle.

I'll bookmark this stuff, and revisit draft day. If we end up with Wiseman at #2, I sure hope you'll be ready for your large serving of crow.

You think Myers won that deal. LMAO. Wiggins is a cancer. He's horrible. At least Russell is very good on offense. I would make that deal again 7 days a week. As for you getting Wiseman at 2 I've already said it could happen. IMO if I'm running the Warriors it's not worth taking the Risk. Throw the Wolves a bone like your 2021 FRP which will be 30 overall of course.

[KGdaBom]

In my opinion, it's the best interest for the wolves to try and not tank again. Your team should try and win as many games and let you r pick come to us or whoever we trade it to. Because the 2022 draft looks better than 2021 imo. Far more franchise talents and it might be the double draft. So if you guys tank this year and get a top 3 pick, then I don't see you guys getting better in 2022 season, and that is 1 more year of KAT being more upset and might request to get traded. So your 2022 season would be over and the pick would be in the lottery with that juicy class. If you guys win alot this year and the pick is between 9-14 then it is not as enticing

That reply was mostly joking regarding the thinking that if we draft Edwards we are going to super suck in 21 thus getting a top three pick in that years draft. Then with Edwards maturing and the superstar we get from the 21 draft we are a playoff team in 22. The Wolves don't tank. Last year we played more or less without KAT all year. We won't be tanking this season. We will be OK.

If the TWolves are past tanking, then they should be ready to compete. IOW, they plan to make it to the playoffs next season. Are the Twolves ready to do that?

I think the TWolves aren't there yet and it means drafting Anthony Edwards. If you disagree, then the TWolves can take the best trade bait available in LaMelo Ball or James Wiseman. It's the TWolves call. I think the best guy to get offers for trade is LaMeo Ball. He will entice any team with a big man, but has not made it to the playoffs as much as they like. Otherwise, I'm on board with drafting James Wisman at #2 or somehow trading the #2 pick/Wiseman for a differnt impact player. I doubt the latter is there.

There are levels between tanking and being a playoff team. I don't expect the Wolves to be a playoff team, but I also don't expect us to be actively trying to lose all of our games to get a top draft pick. That's even if we didn't owe our pick to the Warriors. Tanking is pathetic. Just like you last year the Wolves lost because our best player didn't play.

[Coxy]

What I'm doing here is discussing the possibility of a Wolves/Warriors trade. Not throwing any weight. You guys are so lucky to have the 2nd pick this year, because it puts you in a great position to get your franchise center. If I were the Wolves GM you would have zero chance to get him, but I'm not and I think Rosas would be willing to trade the #1 to you for #2 and a minor asset thrown in like your 21 FRP. I think your GM will prove a lot wiser than it seems most of the Real GM posters seem to be quibbling over this and risking not getting Wiseman. If you don't end up with Wiseman out of this draft you are going to look like fools in a few years.

Is it possible you get him without trading up? Sure. Why risk it.

Meh, you're spitting hypotheticals like you thnk you know what Rosas and Myers are going to want come the draft. You're also talking like Wiseman is a lock to be an all star or something, again, you have no idea of that, just your opinion. Myers pulled Minnesota's pants down on the Dlo/Wiggins deal, so I'm sure he'll be just fine dealing with them again if they want to tango once more, IF Wiseman is in fact coveted and Rosas wants to try and haggle.

I'll bookmark this stuff, and revisit draft day. If we end up with Wiseman at #2, I sure hope you'll be ready for your large serving of crow.

You think Myers won that deal. LMAO. Wiggins is a cancer. He's horrible. At least Russell is very good on offense. I would make that deal again 7 days a week. As for you getting Wiseman at 2 I've already said it could happen. IMO if I'm running the Warriors it's not worth taking the Risk. Throw the Wolves a bone like your 2021 FRP which will be 30 overall of course.

Haha, you guys got boned in the Dlo deal. He's the worst defensive player in the NBA by a wide margin for a player that plays significant mintes. You guys are gonna leak 140 ppg and we'll end up with the Number #1 overall in 2022. To rub salt in, Wiggins will look good in GS. It's gonna be beautiful.

And you're not going to get anything from the Myers in the draft. Rosas will draft someone, we'll draft someone, and this line of chatter from you will look stupid.

Bring it on.

[Chupchup]

Which is fine too.. that just means we will get 2022 wolves 1st unprotected!

Yeah but then we're a playoff team again.
Wolves win and Warriors lose.

In my opinion, it's the best interest for the wolves to try and not tank again. Your team should try and win as many games and let you r pick come to us or whoever we trade it to. Because the 2022 draft looks better than 2021 imo. Far more franchise talents and it might be the double draft. So if you guys tank this year and get a top 3 pick, then I don't see you guys getting better in 2022 season, and that is 1 more year of KAT being more upset and might request to get traded. So your 2022 season would be over and the pick would be in the lottery with that juicy class. If you guys win alot this year and the pick is between 9-14 then it is not as enticing

They've made the playoffs once in the past 15 years. So I think it's pretty good odds for the Warriors to get a good pick in 2021 or 2022.

Also if it looks like 2021 wolves are potential top 5 picks, warriors could just trade the pick plus assets for Giannis etc ( I know this is just me dreaming!)

[KGdaBom]

Meh, you're spitting hypotheticals like you thnk you know what Rosas and Myers are going to want come the draft. You're also talking like Wiseman is a lock to be an all star or something, again, you have no idea of that, just your opinion. Myers pulled Minnesota's pants down on the Dlo/Wiggins deal, so I'm sure he'll be just fine dealing with them again if they want to tango once more, IF Wiseman is in fact coveted and Rosas wants to try and haggle.

I'll bookmark this stuff, and revisit draft day. If we end up with Wiseman at #2, I sure hope you'll be ready for your large serving of crow.

You think Myers won that deal. LMAO. Wiggins is a cancer. He's horrible. At least Russell is very good on offense. I would make that deal again 7 days a week. As for you getting Wiseman at 2 I've already said it could happen. IMO if I'm running the Warriors it's not worth taking the Risk. Throw the Wolves a bone like your 2021 FRP which will be 30 overall of course.

Haha, you guys got boned in the Dlo deal. He's the worst defensive player in the NBA by a wide margin for a player that plays significant mintes. You guys are gonna leak 140 ppg and we'll end up with the Number #1 overall in 2022. To rub salt in, Wiggins will look good in GS. It's gonna be beautiful.

And you're not going to get anything from the Myers in the draft. Rosas will draft someone, we'll draft someone, and this line of chatter from you will look stupid.

Bring it on.

Coxy it's fun talking with you and you have your right to be wrong. Every Wolves fan is thrilled to be rid of Wiggins and thrilled to have Russell

[Chupchup]

You think Myers won that deal. LMAO. Wiggins is a cancer. He's horrible. At least Russell is very good on offense. I would make that deal again 7 days a week. As for you getting Wiseman at 2 I've already said it could happen. IMO if I'm running the Warriors it's not worth taking the Risk. Throw the Wolves a bone like your 2021 FRP which will be 30 overall of course.

Haha, you guys got boned in the Dlo deal. He's the worst defensive player in the NBA by a wide margin for a player that plays significant mintes. You guys are gonna leak 140 ppg and we'll end up with the Number #1 overall in 2022. To rub salt in, Wiggins will look good in GS. It's gonna be beautiful.

And you're not going to get anything from the Myers in the draft. Rosas will draft someone, we'll draft someone, and this line of chatter from you will look stupid.

Bring it on.

Coxy it's fun talking with you and you have your right to be wrong. Every Wolves fan is thrilled to be rid of Wiggins and thrilled to have Russell

Just wanted to say appreciate the entertainment! All in good fun!

[Quazza]

I'm with you on the LaMelo assessment. BTW...imagine in a work out he was asked to shoot 20 3's in a row...with noone guarding him from any spot on the floor. I get the sense that his fundamentals are so jacked that he would hit 50% maybe?

LaMelo is known to be a playmaker and is not pure crap. He averaged 17 ppg, 6.8 apg, 7.6 rpg, 1,6 stls, and 72% FT% in his pro year with Illawarra. He may not have interviewed well, but he's the best pure PG in the draft. The Warriors don't have to rely on LaMelo as a perimeter scorer, but as a playmaker and that's his best strength. I doubt you will find a quicker first step than Anthony Edwards in the draft nor a pure playmaking PG like LaMelo Ball in the 2020 NBA Draft.

Will the Twolves pass up either in order to draft James Wiseman in the draft? Highlty doubtful.

I realize his two strong points. He's an excellent ball handler in just about every way. He also rebounds very well for the PG position. However, his shot is broken beyond any hope of repair and by some metrics he was the single worst defender in the entire not very good NBL. For being considered at the top of the draft IMO he is pure crap. Your opinion clearly differs from mine.
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Have you actually watched a game of his ? Just curious as you didn't mention his actual strongest point - his passing

Not sure what he finished at but later in the season watching one of his games here , the commentator mentioned his 3:1 assist to TO ratio which is excellent for an 18 year old pg in any pro league

[Little Digger]

Bogut flat out doesn’t bullsh*t..

He said Ball made the right play every time down the floor and that he reminded him of JKiidd

That’s enough for me to totally ignore everybody here who’s got nothing good to say about LaMelo ..I’ll wait till I see him play in the NBA before giving an opinion ..
I

[Chupchup]

LaMelo is known to be a playmaker and is not pure crap. He averaged 17 ppg, 6.8 apg, 7.6 rpg, 1,6 stls, and 72% FT% in his pro year with Illawarra. He may not have interviewed well, but he's the best pure PG in the draft. The Warriors don't have to rely on LaMelo as a perimeter scorer, but as a playmaker and that's his best strength. I doubt you will find a quicker first step than Anthony Edwards in the draft nor a pure playmaking PG like LaMelo Ball in the 2020 NBA Draft.

Will the Twolves pass up either in order to draft James Wiseman in the draft? Highlty doubtful.

I realize his two strong points. He's an excellent ball handler in just about every way. He also rebounds very well for the PG position. However, his shot is broken beyond any hope of repair and by some metrics he was the single worst defender in the entire not very good NBL. For being considered at the top of the draft IMO he is pure crap. Your opinion clearly differs from mine.
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Have you actually watched a game of his ? Just curious as you didn't mention his actual strongest point - his passing

Not sure what he finished at but later in the season watching one of his games here , the commentator mentioned his 3:1 assist to TO ratio which is excellent for an 18 year old pg in any pro league

I watched a few of his games. Passing is his best attribute. Reading the game is also really good. I think he as potential to be a good defender and good team defender when committed. Supposedly he shot a good 3 pt percentage on set shots but I don't have that data at hand. I can see him putting triple doubles on crappy teams.

With that being said his shot is poo poo. He is too off balance when shooting. He is not going to change it the first year but he'll be like his brother and realize he'll need to change it over time.
Not sure if he can get by anyone without a screen.

He is really a low floor high ceiling player. I think he is worth a shot if cleveland detroit Knicks need a big PG.

Honestly I don't mind the warriors picking him if Wiseman and Edwards are gone ( obviously this only happens if we trade down.). I think the Warriors need more play makers.

[KGdaBom]

LaMelo is known to be a playmaker and is not pure crap. He averaged 17 ppg, 6.8 apg, 7.6 rpg, 1,6 stls, and 72% FT% in his pro year with Illawarra. He may not have interviewed well, but he's the best pure PG in the draft. The Warriors don't have to rely on LaMelo as a perimeter scorer, but as a playmaker and that's his best strength. I doubt you will find a quicker first step than Anthony Edwards in the draft nor a pure playmaking PG like LaMelo Ball in the 2020 NBA Draft.

Will the Twolves pass up either in order to draft James Wiseman in the draft? Highlty doubtful.

I realize his two strong points. He's an excellent ball handler in just about every way. He also rebounds very well for the PG position. However, his shot is broken beyond any hope of repair and by some metrics he was the single worst defender in the entire not very good NBL. For being considered at the top of the draft IMO he is pure crap. Your opinion clearly differs from mine.
.

Have you actually watched a game of his ? Just curious as you didn't mention his actual strongest point - his passing

Not sure what he finished at but later in the season watching one of his games here , the commentator mentioned his 3:1 assist to TO ratio which is excellent for an 18 year old pg in any pro league

Passing is one of the facets of ball handling.

[Quazza]

I realize his two strong points. He's an excellent ball handler in just about every way. He also rebounds very well for the PG position. However, his shot is broken beyond any hope of repair and by some metrics he was the single worst defender in the entire not very good NBL. For being considered at the top of the draft IMO he is pure crap. Your opinion clearly differs from mine.
.

Have you actually watched a game of his ? Just curious as you didn't mention his actual strongest point - his passing

Not sure what he finished at but later in the season watching one of his games here , the commentator mentioned his 3:1 assist to TO ratio which is excellent for an 18 year old pg in any pro league

Passing is one of the facets of ball handling.

Lol no it's not. "ball handling " is dribbling

So when people say "Kyrie is the best ball handler of all time", you think they're also including his passing ?

No

[jason bourne]

There are levels between tanking and being a playoff team. I don't expect the Wolves to be a playoff team, but I also don't expect us to be actively trying to lose all of our games to get a top draft pick. That's even if we didn't owe our pick to the Warriors. Tanking is pathetic. Just like you last year the Wolves lost because our best player didn't play.

C'mon, you have to be more positive of your team than that. You said you got rid of cancer Andrew Wiggins which may have been true for the TWolves. He didn't fit your style of play as third scorer. For third scorer, you're looking at Malik Beasley, Jarrett Culver, and whoever you draft at #1. What's tough is there hasn't been a trade in the NBA in nine months so teams are going with what they have and improving through the draft, free agency, or trades for vets. Teams could be waiting for what happens to Giannis first. Thus, I think the Warriors are ready to get a guy at #2 who will help them. From what I hear, it could be James Wiseman, Deni Avdija, Devin Vassell, or Obi Toppin. Out of those players, I think the TWolves would consider Obi Toppin as a #1 pick. I wouldn't be surprised if they did pick him because he fits the best on offense. We don't know how good of a shooter Anthony Edwards can be. He may be more of a scorer.

If I were to bet on whether the Wolves make a trade with one of the Hornets or Warriors I would bet on it happening.

Warriors could offer their #52 pick + #2, but they've been trying to trade down. I can only see them doing this for LaMelo Ball, James Wiseman, or Deni Avdija, but they may be happy with any of these players. Hornets could offer their #56 pick + #3 for James Wiseman. Since the Warriors would be happy with several players, I think they'll just wait until the TWolves make their selection. Hornets may wait, too, and trade if the TWolves take James Wiseman. That's why I think it depends on the TWolves pick. If they take LaMelo or Wiseman, then they probably got a deal for his draft rights.