OT Election Thread

[CBS7]

GA blue

[Portiseyes]

Ok Biden just got the lead in Georgia (way to go Georgia!) and I’m just going to go ahead and call it as it’s 2 on the west coast and I need to get to sleep. That’s 269 plus Pelosi’s tie breaker, Biden is next president elect (of course I could have called Nevada too while I was at it but I feel like 269 + Pelosi is a bigger FU to Trump, ha). Goodnight.

[dougthonus]

All your saying is because he's old he won't be able to do the job. I haven't seen any stories written that he still can't make deals, can't communicate or can't lead just because he's old which is essentially what you're saying.

Being 77 isn't necessarily an automatic disqualifier to me, but it would be close to one. There's a reason major companies aren't run by 77 year olds and even 77 year olds that own them hand off running the company to other people because they know they aren't going to do a good job anymore. However, ignoring whether age is an automatic disqualifier, as I said, listening to Biden speak does not inspire me.

With how rapidly our world is changing, I think it is a massive disadvantage to no have considerably younger leaders. I do not think these older guys represent the country well, understand modern issues well, or well suited for this job.

This guy will get crushed by strong foreign leaders IMO. He simply isn't presidential. He comes off as weak, timid, and stupid. He sounds like he is reading from a playbook of DEI when talking but is uninspiring and doesn't make me believe that he actually passionately cares or believes in the things he's saying but says them because they are more politically correct.

I don't believe in Joe Biden even a teeny tiny bit. My vote for him is purely the lesser of two evils.

Yep he messed that up that doesn't mean he did horrible in the debates. If I wanted I could go back and find akward answers, strange looks and pauses for every Presidential candidate in a debate.

I mean I don't think debating is the most important skill anyway, but you asked for a reason why, I gave you one specific example where he said something that showed a complete lack of intellect, emotional IQ, or ability to grasp context. Those were all signs that this guy is not very suited for this job.

Who said the advisors would make the decision for him? Are you trying to say listening to and taking advice from advisors is bad or "making the decision for him"? The country just had four years of a guy not doing that how has that worked out?

I'm saying that Biden is not smart enough or sharp enough to be the top decision maker of anything important let alone our country. If he does what his top advisors and has good advisors then it may work out absolutely great. If he has bad advisors, then I don't think he is strong enough or smart enough to know when to challenge them and overrule them. When I vote for Biden, I feel I'm voting for an unknown set of advisors to actually lead the country which is better than a sociopath that we had in Trump, but is still a poor result.

[dougthonus]

Doug, just because he says things that you might not agree with or makes decisions that you don’t agree with doesn’t make him mentally incapable. While I agree that a person’s sharpest days are likely behind them at 77, I think I’d take that over someone that didn’t seem particularly sharp to begin with (Trump).

I voted for him over Trump. I just said Biden's a poor candidate and would have zero chance of winning this election if he were running against someone else. A huge amount of his votes are just "not Trump" votes.

Also, I think Trump is absolutely smarter than Biden, I don't think its even close. It's just a sociopath and who would want their nation led by a sociopath? Even if I believed in Trump's goals/ideals matched mine (which they most definitely do not), I would vote against him, because I would not want my country run by someone that is fundamentally dishonest, untrustworthy, and a sociopath even if they were working in my favor.

Depending how you are using the phrase "mentally incapable" makes a big difference. I do not think he is mentally strong enough now (and maybe not ever) to hold the highest stress, most important job in the nation. I think he's plenty mentally capable to live a normal life. I'm not saying we should take away his driver's license and put him in a nursing home.

[dougthonus]

Biden pulled a head in Georgia!

It will be interesting to see if he holds it. While he's been gaining huge, I'm not sure if the Military/Overseas ballots are expected to break his way or Trump's way. The mail in ballots from democratic districts were highly anticipated to break towards Biden, but I can't find anything about the overseas ballots.

I'm not sure how many of those would be left or how they'd break. They said there were up to 12000 of those votes, but not sure if those were mostly already.

[ZOMG]

Doug, just because he says things that you might not agree with or makes decisions that you don’t agree with doesn’t make him mentally incapable. While I agree that a person’s sharpest days are likely behind them at 77, I think I’d take that over someone that didn’t seem particularly sharp to begin with (Trump).

I voted for him over Trump. I just said Biden's a poor candidate and would have zero chance of winning this election if he were running against someone else. A huge amount of his votes are just "not Trump" votes.

Also, I think Trump is absolutely smarter than Biden, I don't think its even close. He's just a sociopath and who would want their nation led by a sociopath?

Depending how you are using the phrase "mentally incapable" makes a big difference. I do not think he is mentally strong enough now (and maybe not ever) to hold the highest stress, most important job in the nation. I think he's plenty mentally capable to live a normal life. I'm not saying we should take away his driver's license and put him in a nursing home.

But that was always gonna be the case. And the democrats knew it very well. Their battle plan was simply to bring down Trump and it worked, barely. Biden will be something of a placeholder president for numerous different reasons, but he KNOWS he's a placeholder president. Sometimes, that's enough for a while. And this is one of those situations.

As for the US suddenly being at the mercy of foreign leaders because of Biden... Come on. 95% of the world wants to be friends with the United States. Trump made that almost impossible.

[dougthonus]

But that was always gonna be the case. And the democrats knew it very well. Their battle plan was simply to bring down Trump and it worked, barely. Biden will be something of a placeholder president for numerous different reasons, but he KNOWS he's a placeholder president. Sometimes, that's enough for a while. And this is one of those situations.

Not sure why I get why you'd say "well we knew we didn't need a great candidate to beat Trump, so we didn't bring one". I mean what sense does that make?

As for the US suddenly being at the mercy of foreign leaders because of Biden... Come on. 95% of the world wants to be friends with the United States. Trump made that almost impossible.

We're in an economic war with China. Foreign policy is always important, but it was just an example. I don't trust Biden in any area.

[Jvaughn]

Biden pulled a head in Georgia!

It will be interesting to see if he holds it. While he's been gaining huge, I'm not sure if the Military/Overseas ballots are expected to break his way or Trump's way. The mail in ballots from democratic districts were highly anticipated to break towards Biden, but I can't find anything about the overseas ballots.

I'm not sure how many of those would be left or how they'd break. They said there were up to 12000 of those votes, but not sure if those were mostly already.

Looks like there's roughly 9000 military ballots that weren't returned yet. Now that's not to say we're waiting on a full 9000, but that's how many ballots mathematically haven't been received yet. I don't know how those would break either, but if the deadline to receive is today, that number should be accounted for by tomorrow I would assume.

[Jvaughn]

But that was always gonna be the case. And the democrats knew it very well. Their battle plan was simply to bring down Trump and it worked, barely. Biden will be something of a placeholder president for numerous different reasons, but he KNOWS he's a placeholder president. Sometimes, that's enough for a while. And this is one of those situations.

Not sure why I get why you'd say "well we knew we didn't need a great candidate to beat Trump, so we didn't bring one". I mean what sense does that make?

I think it had more to do with lack of a clear candidate. Now Bernie for awhile was looked at as the likely candidate, but he would've had some real trouble bringing over votes across the line, due to how polarizing his views are. The Democrats absolutely need to be working on building up a candidate the next 4 years. They have some solid young names right now, but I'm not sure how they'll play on the national stage. Hopefully they can build up their profile over the next few years so we don't have to worry about a lame duck candidate for 2028 or even 2024 if Biden chooses to not run for reelection.

[dougthonus]

I think it had more to do with lack of a clear candidate. Now Bernie for awhile was looked at as the likely candidate, but he would've had some real trouble bringing over votes across the line, due to how polarizing his views are. The Democrats absolutely need to be working on building up a candidate the next 4 years. They have some solid young names right now, but I'm not sure how they'll play on the national stage. Hopefully they can build up their profile over the next few years so we don't have to worry about a lame duck candidate for 2028 or even 2024 if Biden chooses to not run for reelection.

I didn't get enough of Andy Yang to know everything about him, but he actually spoke about issues that will truly be important in the future such as automation destroying the US job market. He's literally the only candidate I've seen that sees where things are going, why its so dangerous, and wants to do something about it. I don't know how his plan would work as where is he getting the money to pay 12k a year to every American, but it was enough to excite me that he at least gets that we're going to need to move towards UBI funded by corporation in the long run. He might be about 20 years too early, but I love that he's a visionary.

[Jvaughn]

But that was always gonna be the case. And the democrats knew it very well. Their battle plan was simply to bring down Trump and it worked, barely. Biden will be something of a placeholder president for numerous different reasons, but he KNOWS he's a placeholder president. Sometimes, that's enough for a while. And this is one of those situations.

Not sure why I get why you'd say "well we knew we didn't need a great candidate to beat Trump, so we didn't bring one". I mean what sense does that make?

I think it had more to do with lack of a clear candidate. Now Bernie for awhile was looked at as the likely candidate, but he would've had some real trouble bringing over votes across the line, due to how polarizing his views are. The Democrats absolutely need to be working on building up a candidate the next 4 years. They have some solid young names right now, but I'm not sure how they'll play on the national stage. Hopefully they can build up their profile over the next few years so we don't have to worry about a lame duck candidate for 2028 or even 2024 if Biden chooses to not run for reelection.

He's one of the young names I was alluding to. I hope he's not 20 years too early. I'm sick and tired of a country with a median age of 37 continually voting for politicians in their 60s and 70s to represent the views of the average American. Hopefully he has a spot in the Biden cabinet to season him a bit in the political world. A few other names I'd like to see groomed more for the future are Beto, Joe Kennedy, Hakeem Jeffries, Pramila Jayapal, Stacey Abrams, and Eric Swalwell.

[Jvaughn]

Speaking of Yang, he's speaking on CNN right now if you're interested Doug.

[dougthonus]

Speaking of Yang, he's speaking on CNN right now if you're interested Doug.

Haha, I almost posted this same thing, but then he they ended his stint before I could finish it.

[jmajew]

He's one of the young names I was alluding to. I hope he's not 20 years too early. I'm sick and tired of a country with a median age of 37 continually voting for politicians in their 60s and 70s to represent the views of the average American. Hopefully he has a spot in the Biden cabinet to season him a bit in the political world. A few other names I'd like to see groomed more for the future are Beto, Joe Kennedy, Hakeem Jeffries, Pramila Jayapal, Stacey Abrams, and Eric Swalwell.

To be fair you should add the likes of Tom Cotton, Dan Crenshaw, Josh Hawley, Will Hurd, etc to that list. Our next generation of leaders come from both parties. Hopefully these groups can form strong working relationships.

[jmajew]

I just want to say that as someone who is a bit more conservative, I vote Liberterian most of the time, I think the two parties can very easily come to solutions to our countries problems that conservative and liberals can both accept and see the good in. We just have to be willing to talk to eachother and have honest discussions.

For example, myself and a liberal friend agreed on a way we'd both be okay with giving out free Healthcare, modifying our immigration system, and stop the assault on the second amendment. Its called compromising and both of us respecting each other. You have to give a little to get a little.

[PlayerUp]

He's one of the young names I was alluding to. I hope he's not 20 years too early. I'm sick and tired of a country with a median age of 37 continually voting for politicians in their 60s and 70s to represent the views of the average American. Hopefully he has a spot in the Biden cabinet to season him a bit in the political world. A few other names I'd like to see groomed more for the future are Beto, Joe Kennedy, Hakeem Jeffries, Pramila Jayapal, Stacey Abrams, and Eric Swalwell.

To be fair you should add the likes of Tom Cotton, Dan Crenshaw, Josh Hawley, Will Hurd, etc to that list. Our next generation of leaders come from both parties. Hopefully these groups can form strong working relationships.

All names above are fine except Eric Swalwell. He is really unlikeable.

[PlayerUp]

He's one of the young names I was alluding to. I hope he's not 20 years too early. I'm sick and tired of a country with a median age of 37 continually voting for politicians in their 60s and 70s to represent the views of the average American. Hopefully he has a spot in the Biden cabinet to season him a bit in the political world. A few other names I'd like to see groomed more for the future are Beto, Joe Kennedy, Hakeem Jeffries, Pramila Jayapal, Stacey Abrams, and Eric Swalwell.

To be fair you should add the likes of Tom Cotton, Dan Crenshaw, Josh Hawley, Will Hurd, etc to that list. Our next generation of leaders come from both parties. Hopefully these groups can form strong working relationships.

Mark my word Nikki Haley is favorite for 2024.

[PlayerUp]

He's one of the young names I was alluding to. I hope he's not 20 years too early. I'm sick and tired of a country with a median age of 37 continually voting for politicians in their 60s and 70s to represent the views of the average American. Hopefully he has a spot in the Biden cabinet to season him a bit in the political world. A few other names I'd like to see groomed more for the future are Beto, Joe Kennedy, Hakeem Jeffries, Pramila Jayapal, Stacey Abrams, and Eric Swalwell.

To be fair you should add the likes of Tom Cotton, Dan Crenshaw, Josh Hawley, Will Hurd, etc to that list. Our next generation of leaders come from both parties. Hopefully these groups can form strong working relationships.

Mark my word Nikki Haley is favorite for 2024.

AOC is the most popular among all the democratic candidates.

[jmajew]

To be fair you should add the likes of Tom Cotton, Dan Crenshaw, Josh Hawley, Will Hurd, etc to that list. Our next generation of leaders come from both parties. Hopefully these groups can form strong working relationships.

Mark my word Nikki Haley is favorite for 2024.

AOC is the most popular among all the democratic candidates.

If AOC were to run for President she would lose by a landslide. She is too far left for the vast majority of the country. She may win the nomination but independents would not vote for that platform.

[Michael Jackson]

Has someone heard the explanation from these states on why they aren't done? They all were at like 80-90% done on election night and 48 hours later, they have moved maybe 5%? Whenever I've put on the news I haven't seen the explanation.

Why isn’t it done? Because TV ratings are through the roof on this honestly. Fox and CNN are killing it! Since the begging of COVID how many news addicts have emerged? I know my whole house turned into news junkies.

Literally trump predicted this outcome on his side and the Dems have been talking about it for months too, seems like they both had the right polls all along but those weren’t the publicly released polls. From a cynical standpoint this is the best reality TV show ever, basically staring a reality TV show star. It really is sobering to think how much the media itself dominates my life since February. NBA is down but the news is way up and with a slowdown in everything we mostly all are watching more news. COVID, Floyd and the elections have had me glued to my screens, which absolutely can’t be healthy for me.