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poll: what do you want Orlando to do with its #15 pick?

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What do you want Orlando to do with its #15 pick?

1) Keep the #15 pick and select BPA
17
52%
2) Trade up to the top of the draft in a block buster deal
9
27%
3) Trade up to the late lottery for "the player the team wants"
6
18%
4) Trade down to maximise value of this selection whilst maintaining "roster management"
1
3%
5) Trade out of the first round entirely
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 33

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Re: poll: what do you want Orlando to do with its #15 pick? 

Post#41 » by zaymon » Wed Nov 4, 2020 9:33 am

SD2042 wrote:
ARandomStranger wrote:
zaymon wrote:We had no respect among players and no financial flexibility 3 years ago. With limited resources Weltman aquired Fultz who is starting for us, he drafted Isaac who started for us until injury. Without spending assets he got us MCW, Ennis, Birch and Clark, all good rotation players. He managed to resign veterans on good descending deals.
I dont know how much more you can do with limited resources. Only major problem i have is drafting Bamba, but i understand logic behind the move. If Okeke becomes any good we will have a nice young core and good veterans on fair deals.

After just two years ? I thought we played well this year despite half of our rotation being out. We draft bpa projects under Weltman, hard to expect quick rewards.


And you think we are going to magically gain respect among players and have money to flung around with a lowered cap space now? After first round exits 2 years in a row and with all of the financial issues the league is going through?

Yeah, they got Markelle, a reclamation project that turned out good, and Isaac who doesn't seem to be able to stay healthy (love the kid to death, have had his jersey since last Christmas), but beyond that nothing has really panned out.

All of the players you listed have been defensive pieces, not a single offensive piece to speak of, outside of maybe Clark.

Our offense is a joke, an unmitigated disaster. There were points during the season where we spend a half a quarter without any points being scored in our favor. Yet we go out and trade for Ennis who wasn't a scorer that we needed and signed Aminu who was really bad for us, and added nothing to the table.

This team has peaked and it is because of a dedication to a certain mentality within the FO and nothing more. Cliff can't pull a rabbit out of his hat because he isn't a top 5 coach, but he can squeeze every drop of potential out of a team, and that is what he has done.

We need scorers and we need an offensive identity. BPA isn't going to help us obtain that if BPA is a long defender and a limited offensive player again. The fix is to forgo BPA and BOSA. Best Offensive Scorer Available.



That's what needs to be emphasize about this team. Defenders is good to have. But without the offense to score with: perimeter scoring, slashing and ability to get the FT line, how do this mgmt group expect to get beyond the basement of the playoff race. Sooner or later, one would have oto get sick of being mediocre and playing it safe. It's time to take some calculated chances t ohelp better the team in the long term.

What if your best offensive scorer available is projected to be bench player and defensive bpa is projected to be a good starter ?
For exemple picking 5 you have to decide between Hayes who maybe will be a good secondary ball handler or even lead ball handler if miracle happens and Okoro who projects to be elite defender and capable offensive player. You could even make better comparison between Okoro and Edwards. Edwards will most likely be a bust but he is projected to go top 3 depending on his unlikely offensive potential.
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Re: poll: what do you want Orlando to do with its #15 pick? 

Post#42 » by Blue_and_Whte » Fri Nov 6, 2020 2:57 pm

This is the least I've kept up with college basketball admittedly but I'm liking Vassell and Okoro more and more if we can move up. I'm sitting on the Vassell bus currently.
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Re: poll: what do you want Orlando to do with its #15 pick? 

Post#43 » by Magicfanatic82 » Sat Nov 7, 2020 12:36 am

Assuming Edwards, Hayes, Haliburton, Avdija, Okoro go lotto with Ball, Wiseman, Okongwu, Toppin that is 9 gone before we pick.

At 15 we should get one of the following
Lewis, Vassel, Anthony, Maxey, Bey and Nesmith

Also could see Achuiwa, Smith, Williams and poku move ahead of us. That would be great giving us more choices off our list.

Wildcard picks could be Terry or McDaniels

Im ok with any wing/ pg prospect. We need talent and upside on the perimeter. No more bigs.
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Re: poll: what do you want Orlando to do with its #15 pick? 

Post#44 » by SD2042 » Sun Nov 8, 2020 4:37 am

zaymon wrote:
SD2042 wrote:
ARandomStranger wrote:
And you think we are going to magically gain respect among players and have money to flung around with a lowered cap space now? After first round exits 2 years in a row and with all of the financial issues the league is going through?

Yeah, they got Markelle, a reclamation project that turned out good, and Isaac who doesn't seem to be able to stay healthy (love the kid to death, have had his jersey since last Christmas), but beyond that nothing has really panned out.

All of the players you listed have been defensive pieces, not a single offensive piece to speak of, outside of maybe Clark.

Our offense is a joke, an unmitigated disaster. There were points during the season where we spend a half a quarter without any points being scored in our favor. Yet we go out and trade for Ennis who wasn't a scorer that we needed and signed Aminu who was really bad for us, and added nothing to the table.

This team has peaked and it is because of a dedication to a certain mentality within the FO and nothing more. Cliff can't pull a rabbit out of his hat because he isn't a top 5 coach, but he can squeeze every drop of potential out of a team, and that is what he has done.

We need scorers and we need an offensive identity. BPA isn't going to help us obtain that if BPA is a long defender and a limited offensive player again. The fix is to forgo BPA and BOSA. Best Offensive Scorer Available.



That's what needs to be emphasize about this team. Defenders is good to have. But without the offense to score with: perimeter scoring, slashing and ability to get the FT line, how do this mgmt group expect to get beyond the basement of the playoff race. Sooner or later, one would have oto get sick of being mediocre and playing it safe. It's time to take some calculated chances t ohelp better the team in the long term.

What if your best offensive scorer available is projected to be bench player and defensive bpa is projected to be a good starter ?
For exemple picking 5 you have to decide between Hayes who maybe will be a good secondary ball handler or even lead ball handler if miracle happens and Okoro who projects to be elite defender and capable offensive player. You could even make better comparison between Okoro and Edwards. Edwards will most likely be a bust but he is projected to go top 3 depending on his unlikely offensive potential.



It's a double edged sword with the draft. Albeit the Magic have needs mostly from the offensive end, one first must define the most important needs to be met and what player that best fits that mold. That takes a lot of scouting and research. We both know that it takes the quinessential player to meet every last need. That doesn't happen very often. When the team pick said player, they have to develop said player to meet their expectations to why they draft them in the first place. That's always a complication. Especially when the team doesn't to their diligence to develop the talent the right way. The team's culture, development, and the player's dedication determines whether or he will be deemed worthy or a bust.

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