OT Election Thread

[DuckIII]

The primary thing that needs to be addressed once the focus on the pandemic has been able to be lessened.
The President has to begin to work on uniting the American people again.

It is amazing to see how divided this country has become.

Yup! Its a problem on a large scale. Its mostly middle class white America hurling insults back and forth at each other of, You are a blind socialist or you are a stupid racist. We have let the very vocal extremes shape hate on both sides. Conversations never get far when the both sides are calling each other stupid. It is out of hand.

Well, you’re right. But considering that one of the “vocal extremes” just sat in the Oval Office for the last 4 years tweeting bilious hate, misinformation, and sowing distrust and fear, what do you expect?

Which is why it is absolutely critical for the good of our nation that the Biden, Harris and Pelosi take the high road not only now, but consistently going forward. Biden is off to a good start, but I don’t trust Pelosi to not gloat and try to score cheap points at Trump’s expense.

The less the Democratic Party says about Trump from here on out, the better it will be for all of us.

[Dresden]

From NYT:

Mike Noble, a Phoenix-based pollster, told me: “That’s a wrap for the presidential contest in AZ. Trump needed almost 60% on this ballot drop, he got very low 50s. #Ballgame.”

"So far, no one has projected Nevada for Biden, but this is all but a done deal. Virtually all of the remaining vote is from Clark County, which is heavily Democratic."

[MrFortune3]

The primary thing that needs to be addressed once the focus on the pandemic has been able to be lessened.
The President has to begin to work on uniting the American people again.

It is amazing to see how divided this country has become.

Yup! Its a problem on a large scale. Its mostly middle class white America hurling insults back and forth at each other of, You are a blind socialist or you are a stupid racist. We have let the very vocal extremes shape hate on both sides. Conversations never get far when the both sides are calling each other stupid. It is out of hand.

Well, you’re right. But considering that one of the “vocal extremes” just sat in the Oval Office for the last 4 years tweeting bilious hate, misinformation, and sowing distrust and fear, what do you expect?

Which is why it is absolutely critical for the good of our nation that the Biden, Harris and Pelosi take the high road not only now, but consistently going forward. Biden is off to a good start, but I don’t trust Pelosi to not gloat and try to score cheap points at Trump’s expense.

The less the Democratic Party says about Trump from here on out, the better it will be for all of us.

Pelosi is going to have to fall in line. Otherwise it will give the wrong impression.

[Dresden]

Looks like Biden is now on a strong pace to win all of PA, GA, NV, AZ. That should dampen down the Trump crowd's hysteria.

[Dresden]

Biden will win the popular vote by 5-6 Million.

[moorhosj]

I'm of the belief most of the republicans currently in DC are more than happy with getting rid of Trump all while suffering no real damage in Congress.

They didn't suffer much damage in Congress in 2020, but what happens going forward may be different. It is clear that Trump has put the base in charge of the party. Will he just step away? Will he run in 2024 as a Republican? If they abandon him, will he create a new party (absolute worst case scenario for Republicans)? Can Republicans get this type of turnout without Trump at the top of the ticket (also a question Democrats have to answer)?

[musiqsoulchild]

The primary thing that needs to be addressed once the focus on the pandemic has been able to be lessened.
The President has to begin to work on uniting the American people again.

It is amazing to see how divided this country has become.

Yup! Its a problem on a large scale. Its mostly middle class white America hurling insults back and forth at each other of, You are a blind socialist or you are a stupid racist. We have let the very vocal extremes shape hate on both sides. Conversations never get far when the both sides are calling each other stupid. It is out of hand.

Well, you’re right. But considering that one of the “vocal extremes” just sat in the Oval Office for the last 4 years tweeting bilious hate, misinformation, and sowing distrust and fear, what do you expect?

Which is why it is absolutely critical for the good of our nation that the Biden, Harris and Pelosi take the high road not only now, but consistently going forward. Biden is off to a good start, but I don’t trust Pelosi to not gloat and try to score cheap points at Trump’s expense.

The less the Democratic Party says about Trump from here on out, the better it will be for all of us.

I understand your sentiment.

I will say that it becomes impossible when Trunp is going to run again in 2024.

Or worse, an Ivanka - DeSantis ticket.

They might even win.

[DuckIII]

Yup! Its a problem on a large scale. Its mostly middle class white America hurling insults back and forth at each other of, You are a blind socialist or you are a stupid racist. We have let the very vocal extremes shape hate on both sides. Conversations never get far when the both sides are calling each other stupid. It is out of hand.

Well, you’re right. But considering that one of the “vocal extremes” just sat in the Oval Office for the last 4 years tweeting bilious hate, misinformation, and sowing distrust and fear, what do you expect?

Which is why it is absolutely critical for the good of our nation that the Biden, Harris and Pelosi take the high road not only now, but consistently going forward. Biden is off to a good start, but I don’t trust Pelosi to not gloat and try to score cheap points at Trump’s expense.

The less the Democratic Party says about Trump from here on out, the better it will be for all of us.

Pelosi is going to have to fall in line. Otherwise it will give the wrong impression.

Not just the wrong impression, but just flat out be wrong. The Left needs to have a consistent message: we’re in this together, we want to work together, so let’s get started.

Trying to make Trump’s base feel stupid or rejected won’t work, will actually backfire, and serves not productive purpose no matter how personally satisfying it may be to Pelosi. She became petty and it was pointless. She needs to get her **** together and be an adult now. Hopefully she’s up to it. I’ve lost a lot of faith in her as a leader of the party.

[DuckIII]

Yup! Its a problem on a large scale. Its mostly middle class white America hurling insults back and forth at each other of, You are a blind socialist or you are a stupid racist. We have let the very vocal extremes shape hate on both sides. Conversations never get far when the both sides are calling each other stupid. It is out of hand.

Well, you’re right. But considering that one of the “vocal extremes” just sat in the Oval Office for the last 4 years tweeting bilious hate, misinformation, and sowing distrust and fear, what do you expect?

Which is why it is absolutely critical for the good of our nation that the Biden, Harris and Pelosi take the high road not only now, but consistently going forward. Biden is off to a good start, but I don’t trust Pelosi to not gloat and try to score cheap points at Trump’s expense.

The less the Democratic Party says about Trump from here on out, the better it will be for all of us.

I understand your sentiment.

I will say that it becomes impossible when Trunp is going to run again in 2024.

Or worse, an Ivanka - DeSantis ticket.

They might even win.

Focusing even a little bit on him now, regardless of his future plans, plays right into his hands. The thing to do now, both for political strategy purposes and more importantly for the good of the nation, is to quickly move past Trump and give his tenure and future virtually no lip service.

I’m absolutely convinced of this.

[MrFortune3]

Well, you’re right. But considering that one of the “vocal extremes” just sat in the Oval Office for the last 4 years tweeting bilious hate, misinformation, and sowing distrust and fear, what do you expect?

Which is why it is absolutely critical for the good of our nation that the Biden, Harris and Pelosi take the high road not only now, but consistently going forward. Biden is off to a good start, but I don’t trust Pelosi to not gloat and try to score cheap points at Trump’s expense.

The less the Democratic Party says about Trump from here on out, the better it will be for all of us.

Pelosi is going to have to fall in line. Otherwise it will give the wrong impression.

Not just the wrong impression, but just flat out be wrong. The Left needs to have a consistent message: we’re in this together, we want to work together, so let’s get started.

Trying to make Trump’s base feel stupid or rejected won’t work, will actually backfire, and serves not productive purpose no matter how personally satisfying it may be to Pelosi. She became petty and it was pointless. She needs to get her **** together and be an adult now. Hopefully she’s up to it. I’ve lost a lot of faith in her as a leader of the party.

The goal is to move forward and leave the past 4 years behind with lessons learned. She has to get over it and help her party and the country. It serves no purpose to rub salt in the word.

[UnFadeable21]

Vote leads as of 11:38 a.m. Friday:

• Georgia (99% in): Biden +1,587

• Pennsylvania (95%): Biden +9,027

• Nevada (91%): Biden +22,076

• Arizona (93%): Biden +43,779

-Alaska and North Carolina to Trump

That would put Biden at 306 and Trump at 232

[dougthonus]

Vote leads as of 11:38 a.m. Friday:

• Georgia (99% in): Biden +1,587

• Pennsylvania (95%): Biden +9,027

• Nevada (91%): Biden +22,076

• Arizona (93%): Biden +43,779

-Alaska and North Carolina to Trump

That would put Biden at 306 and Trump at 232

Would be great if all these states hold and if NV/AZ are very clear winners, it ends the dispute since you'd need to flip 3+ states to change the results and hopefully end any thoughts of arguing it out.

[moorhosj]

The goal is to move forward and leave the past 4 years behind with lessons learned. She has to get over it and help her party and the country. It serves no purpose to rub salt in the word.

Agree put Trump in the rear-view and start focusing on policies again. Look at Florida, they passed a $15 minimum wage with 61% of the vote, while Biden will get about 48%. Without Trump sucking up all the air in the room, maybe the country can focus on actual issues. Remember, the President provided literally zero plans for what he would do in a second term, which is just amazing on it's face, but seems hard for any other candidate to pull off. If we can get back to policies rather than grievances and division, the Democrats have a clear advantage. Their peril is when they allow themselves to be labeled "socialists" or divide everything by race. Focus on the kitchen table economics; raise the minimum wage, lower taxes for people under ~$75k, healthcare access, rebuilding infrastructure, guaranteed family leave. Tell me how you will make my life better.

[Jvaughn]

He's one of the young names I was alluding to. I hope he's not 20 years too early. I'm sick and tired of a country with a median age of 37 continually voting for politicians in their 60s and 70s to represent the views of the average American. Hopefully he has a spot in the Biden cabinet to season him a bit in the political world. A few other names I'd like to see groomed more for the future are Beto, Joe Kennedy, Hakeem Jeffries, Pramila Jayapal, Stacey Abrams, and Eric Swalwell.

To be fair you should add the likes of Tom Cotton, Dan Crenshaw, Josh Hawley, Will Hurd, etc to that list. Our next generation of leaders come from both parties. Hopefully these groups can form strong working relationships.

I was speaking just about the Democratic party, and what moves they make moving forward since IMO Biden against any other normal republican doesn't win this election.

[League Circles]

Well, you’re right. But considering that one of the “vocal extremes” just sat in the Oval Office for the last 4 years tweeting bilious hate, misinformation, and sowing distrust and fear, what do you expect?

Which is why it is absolutely critical for the good of our nation that the Biden, Harris and Pelosi take the high road not only now, but consistently going forward. Biden is off to a good start, but I don’t trust Pelosi to not gloat and try to score cheap points at Trump’s expense.

The less the Democratic Party says about Trump from here on out, the better it will be for all of us.

I understand your sentiment.

I will say that it becomes impossible when Trunp is going to run again in 2024.

Or worse, an Ivanka - DeSantis ticket.

They might even win.

Focusing even a little bit on him now, regardless of his future plans, plays right into his hands. The thing to do now, both for political strategy purposes and more importantly for the good of the nation, is to quickly move past Trump and give his tenure and future virtually no lip service.

I’m absolutely convinced of this.

I definitely agree, but the dems IMO are going to have to sprout some good leaders to challenge Harris in 4 years assuming Biden passes away, chooses not to seek reelection or resigns. Many republicans are probably extremely pleased that they can "start the rebuild" 4 years earlier. Trump has been insane but the repubs will out out stronger candidates in 4 years, people like Dan Crenshaw types that could out up a very strong, possibly favored, challenge to the dems. Basically both parties need to rebuild badly, I just think the repubs are probably a little more aware of that overall.

[Jvaughn]

Another popular potential GOP candidate of the future.

Candace Owens

Not likely. The backlash to her candidacy would be more harmful than good for the GOP.

Yeah, I can't see this one. She's way too polarizing, and while I admit she's an intelligent person, she always looks foolish when she tries to debate her points. And a big part of me thinks that's because she doesn't believe in what she's arguing. Will just say controversial things because she knows she'll get attention for it.

[MrFortune3]

Another popular potential GOP candidate of the future.

Candace Owens

Not likely. The backlash to her candidacy would be more harmful than good for the GOP.

Yeah, I can't see this one. She's way too polarizing, and while I admit she's an intelligent person, she always looks foolish when she tries to debate her points. And a big part of me thinks that's because she doesn't believe in what she's arguing. Will just say controversial things because she knows she'll get attention for it.

I think she believes everything she says. She simply realizes after she says it that it is borderline nonsensical.

[MrFortune3]

The goal is to move forward and leave the past 4 years behind with lessons learned. She has to get over it and help her party and the country. It serves no purpose to rub salt in the word.

Agree put Trump in the rear-view and start focusing on policies again. Look at Florida, they passed a $15 minimum wage with 61% of the vote, while Biden will get about 48%. Without Trump sucking up all the air in the room, maybe the country can focus on actual issues. Remember, the President provided literally zero plans for what he would do in a second term, which is just amazing on it's face, but seems hard for any other candidate to pull off. If we can get back to policies rather than grievances and division, the Democrats have a clear advantage. Their peril is when they allow themselves to be labeled "socialists" or divide everything by race. Focus on the kitchen table economics; raise the minimum wage, lower taxes for people under ~$75k, healthcare access, rebuilding infrastructure, guaranteed family leave. Tell me how you will make my life better.

It's because he demanded absolute loyalty from the GOP and no one would raise questions about his policies and the way forward.
Think about his claims of forgiving the payroll tax debt that would be incurred from his order...It would cause absolute chaos for employers to account for all of the taxes and for the government to forgive that debt.

[johnnyvann840]

Well, you’re right. But considering that one of the “vocal extremes” just sat in the Oval Office for the last 4 years tweeting bilious hate, misinformation, and sowing distrust and fear, what do you expect?

Which is why it is absolutely critical for the good of our nation that the Biden, Harris and Pelosi take the high road not only now, but consistently going forward. Biden is off to a good start, but I don’t trust Pelosi to not gloat and try to score cheap points at Trump’s expense.

The less the Democratic Party says about Trump from here on out, the better it will be for all of us.

Pelosi is going to have to fall in line. Otherwise it will give the wrong impression.

Not just the wrong impression, but just flat out be wrong. The Left needs to have a consistent message: we’re in this together, we want to work together, so let’s get started.

Trying to make Trump’s base feel stupid or rejected won’t work, will actually backfire, and serves not productive purpose no matter how personally satisfying it may be to Pelosi. She became petty and it was pointless. She needs to get her **** together and be an adult now. Hopefully she’s up to it. I’ve lost a lot of faith in her as a leader of the party.

You are exactly right. This country needs healing.. now. Biden has to be like Lincoln was post Civil War and bring people together. And you are right that he is off to a good start. He is saying all the right things. Pelosi needs to go away. Enough Dems need to dissent and she needs to be voted out as Speaker.

[moorhosj]

Trump has been insane but the repubs will out out stronger candidates in 4 years, people like Dan Crenshaw types that could out up a very strong, possibly favored, challenge to the dems. Basically both parties need to rebuild badly, I just think the repubs are probably a little more aware of that overall.

I think the problem is that Trump has proven that the base (30% of the country) LIKES the insane part. Guys like Crenshaw, Cotton, Rubio, Cruz, DeSantis and Hawley may end up cannibalizing each other if they all enter the race. You have a group of Rockefeller Republicans in the northeast (Hogan, Scott, Baker) who could really compete nationally, but would have a tough time getting through a primary. That doesn't even include a QAnon or media-type (Trump Jr or Tucker Carlson). You also have Pence and Nicki Hayley who aren't going anywhere.