2020 Presidential Election Thread: IT'S THE FINAL (vote) COUNTDOWN! [update pg 61: Joe Biden elected 46th POTUS]

[rammagen]

is anyone else enjoying the twitter meltdown of the trump supporters. I have seen of the most stupid statements ever like I am moving to Hawaii so I dont have to live under Biden or one Redneck says he is going to Puerto Rico because he hates Biden? how the f&*^ can you be allowed to vote if you do not know what is American soil?
I cant tell if they want to count votes or stop counting either. I am so confused and I guess this is how the cult of trump works they confuse people who cant use logic and beat them down to their level

[stuporman]

If thats the case then why arent we talking about president Bernie right now? We keep hearing how all these policies are popular yet the obvious people to implement said policies dont get voted in. One can only blame the media and the establishment so much before one starts looking elsewhere. These last two presidential elections are proof that polling procedures have to be looked at. Something is seriously off, if progressive policies are popular yet the conservatives who call such policies evil socialist policies continue to be elected.

Wow, you are just going down the centrist dialog tree right out of their script. Bernie was on his way to being the nom if the establishment dems didn't pull them most unprecedented primary maneuver. Days before the SC primary every centrist candidate dropped out and endorsed Biden with the only one remaining was Warren to split some of the progressive vote.

This gave Biden a win and momentum into super tuesday which combined with negative media spin and the dems ability to suppress the vote in their own primaries that they have been using for decades to keep progressive out it worked in keeping Bernie, an Independent, from winning. Showing how much harder centrists fight left than they do right because they rarely fight that hard against the GOP.

Bernie was too soon, progressives hadn't gained enough of a coalition yet so his meteoric run showed the popularity of the policies but without the base in the party to get the support from it. Since then many more progressives, Justice Democrats, have won seats in federal offices and even in state and local so maybe in another few years the block they are building will be strong enough to make the establishment listen but right now they are still fighting them.

Republicans call everyone who isn't them socialists and communists but don't let them create the narrative. The GOP will not support a dem no matter what....Obamacare was actually Romneycare that was devised by a conservative think tank. They even hate their own ideas if it's a dem who is doing it so don't let them make your choices for you.

Their rabid base won't support dems either so don't try to change policy or rhetoric for them. Do what is necessary to get those policies that help people and the people will eventually recognize that and support it. If the establishment dems do nothing to help people then it shouldn't surprise you when they vote for someone else and that's how Trump got elected.

I don't think we should be afraid of the socialist word and run from it because then the story becomes about the label and the dems are constantly fighting the perception of it taking all the focus off the policies and onto a bullisht word. Even if one chooses not to use the word they need to explain the policies simply in bite sized ways to appeal to low info voters which most are.

As an example they need to say things about the public option that it gives Americans more choice free from the profit seeking corporate executive death panels. When the response comes back 'government controlled health care bad' the reply should be it's the same private health care providers not government run, just free from insurance companies blocking your choice of treatment and doctors.

The GOP will still try to obscure the truth but the message needs to be simple and repetitive to overcome it. Of course, if centrists don't even want to fight for those policies then it won't happen and they will lose any of the power they have gained this election cycle because people don't want excuses, they need help in a system that is constantly kicking them down.

There needs to be a sense of ruthlessness in governing the dems have to do to get some of these things going as soon as possible and publicly call out those who are standing in the way of them getting done. So either they will bend and give in to public scrutiny or they could be in jeopardy of losing their seat in 2022. It has to be an imperative to get things done not just make excuses.

When people start to see and feel the positive effects of those policies they will trust the next step and next policy that is offered up and more strongly support those who support the policies. The GOP will frame it as they will always do but at that point their message will have lost it teeth. It starts with a few small policy steps that can be made relatively quickly.

If you are worried about the word socialist and spend all your time fighting that they have won already. You let them frame the debate the label and it isn't on policy to help people. The policy shouldn't be long wonky explanations, it needs to be short and concise the way Bernie was framing it. He was just too soon and to be honest, not telegenic enough, the next wave of progressives should solve the latter if they can master the former of his traits.

Conspiracy theories are just that. Fact is Biden was a dead man walking till south carolina. Drop outs didnt really start happening until after that race when it became apparent that he had a virtual monopoly on the minority vote. Did people make deals to mae the drop outs easier, Im sure they did. Did the dems **** bernie against hillary? Sure, not this time. People came into this race with their eyes wide open and Bernie had everything going for him this time he just lost because like most things dems do, the support for his policies were overstated.

My issue isnt with the socialist term, it's with the fact that they're still getting elected at a relatively great clip despite the fact that they keep attacking progressive policies. If the policies are so popular, that shouldn't be the case. I honestly dont know how the dems are gonna turn this around, but they're gonna have to figure it out. They have 2 years to do so, and are on the clock as we speak.

I want new leadership, but we're obviously gonna be stuck with the same old ****, because dems as a whole never learn.

Conspiracy? It's fact! That's exactly what happened! Obama called them all and they all dropped out all at once and went on stage with Biden together. The democratic party has been called out for years about their manipulation of the primary process. But you know what, you're right, it's conspiracy, the DNC conspired to do it.

I'm not fooled by your trollish side stepping You're disingenuous or a fool but either way the centrist establishment dems are the reason for Trump and will bring another Trump if they keep doing the same garbage ass job that they have been doing. Blaming progressive is just weak ass attempts at deflecting blame from their own terrible behavior.

Oh and centrists lost seats this election while progressives gained. The dems win not because they have good policy it's because they are seen as the only party option if you don't want to align yourself with the GOP and their regressive policies. The dems suck and have been ineffective at helping people for decades but they do great for corporations which is why they get elected.

[rammagen]

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[GONYK]

is anyone else enjoying the twitter meltdown of the trump supporters. I have seen of the most stupid statements ever like I am moving to Hawaii so I dont have to live under Biden or one Redneck says he is going to Puerto Rico because he hates Biden? how the f&*^ can you be allowed to vote if you do not know what is American soil?
I cant tell if they want to count votes or stop counting either. I am so confused and I guess this is how the cult of trump works they confuse people who cant use logic and beat them down to their level

I'll take some highlights if you want to post them.

[stuporman]

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[robillionaire]

Wow, you are just going down the centrist dialog tree right out of their script. Bernie was on his way to being the nom if the establishment dems didn't pull them most unprecedented primary maneuver. Days before the SC primary every centrist candidate dropped out and endorsed Biden with the only one remaining was Warren to split some of the progressive vote.

This gave Biden a win and momentum into super tuesday which combined with negative media spin and the dems ability to suppress the vote in their own primaries that they have been using for decades to keep progressive out it worked in keeping Bernie, an Independent, from winning. Showing how much harder centrists fight left than they do right because they rarely fight that hard against the GOP.

Bernie was too soon, progressives hadn't gained enough of a coalition yet so his meteoric run showed the popularity of the policies but without the base in the party to get the support from it. Since then many more progressives, Justice Democrats, have won seats in federal offices and even in state and local so maybe in another few years the block they are building will be strong enough to make the establishment listen but right now they are still fighting them.

Republicans call everyone who isn't them socialists and communists but don't let them create the narrative. The GOP will not support a dem no matter what....Obamacare was actually Romneycare that was devised by a conservative think tank. They even hate their own ideas if it's a dem who is doing it so don't let them make your choices for you.

Their rabid base won't support dems either so don't try to change policy or rhetoric for them. Do what is necessary to get those policies that help people and the people will eventually recognize that and support it. If the establishment dems do nothing to help people then it shouldn't surprise you when they vote for someone else and that's how Trump got elected.

I don't think we should be afraid of the socialist word and run from it because then the story becomes about the label and the dems are constantly fighting the perception of it taking all the focus off the policies and onto a bullisht word. Even if one chooses not to use the word they need to explain the policies simply in bite sized ways to appeal to low info voters which most are.

As an example they need to say things about the public option that it gives Americans more choice free from the profit seeking corporate executive death panels. When the response comes back 'government controlled health care bad' the reply should be it's the same private health care providers not government run, just free from insurance companies blocking your choice of treatment and doctors.

The GOP will still try to obscure the truth but the message needs to be simple and repetitive to overcome it. Of course, if centrists don't even want to fight for those policies then it won't happen and they will lose any of the power they have gained this election cycle because people don't want excuses, they need help in a system that is constantly kicking them down.

There needs to be a sense of ruthlessness in governing the dems have to do to get some of these things going as soon as possible and publicly call out those who are standing in the way of them getting done. So either they will bend and give in to public scrutiny or they could be in jeopardy of losing their seat in 2022. It has to be an imperative to get things done not just make excuses.

When people start to see and feel the positive effects of those policies they will trust the next step and next policy that is offered up and more strongly support those who support the policies. The GOP will frame it as they will always do but at that point their message will have lost it teeth. It starts with a few small policy steps that can be made relatively quickly.

If you are worried about the word socialist and spend all your time fighting that they have won already. You let them frame the debate the label and it isn't on policy to help people. The policy shouldn't be long wonky explanations, it needs to be short and concise the way Bernie was framing it. He was just too soon and to be honest, not telegenic enough, the next wave of progressives should solve the latter if they can master the former of his traits.

Conspiracy theories are just that. Fact is Biden was a dead man walking till south carolina. Drop outs didnt really start happening until after that race when it became apparent that he had a virtual monopoly on the minority vote. Did people make deals to mae the drop outs easier, Im sure they did. Did the dems **** bernie against hillary? Sure, not this time. People came into this race with their eyes wide open and Bernie had everything going for him this time he just lost because like most things dems do, the support for his policies were overstated.

My issue isnt with the socialist term, it's with the fact that they're still getting elected at a relatively great clip despite the fact that they keep attacking progressive policies. If the policies are so popular, that shouldn't be the case. I honestly dont know how the dems are gonna turn this around, but they're gonna have to figure it out. They have 2 years to do so, and are on the clock as we speak.

I want new leadership, but we're obviously gonna be stuck with the same old ****, because dems as a whole never learn.

Conspiracy? It's fact! That's exactly what happened! Obama called them all and they all dropped out all at once and went on stage with Biden together. The democratic party has been called out for years about their manipulation of the primary process. But you know what, you're right, it's conspiracy, the DNC conspired to do it.

I'm not fooled by your trollish side stepping You're disingenuous or a fool but either way the centrist establishment dems are the reason for Trump and will bring another Trump if they keep doing the same garbage ass job that they have been doing. Blaming progressive is just weak ass attempts at deflecting blame from their own terrible behavior.

Oh and centrists lost seats this election while progressives gained. The dems win not because they have good policy it's because they are seen as the only party option if you don't want to align yourself with the GOP and their regressive policies. The dems suck and have been ineffective at helping people for decades but they do great for corporations which is why they get elected.

Thing is they are well within their legal grounds to tilt the scale in their primary or even just declare a winner if they want. Courts ruled that back in 2016. They had even expressed intent to use the super delegates to take the thing if it got too far. They have the power and it's just how it is. Until we build up enough of a coalition to remove the old guard and get rid of super delegates entirely and get our own party chair etc etc. It's just an uphill battle and it makes it harder that people will give up and just quit the party out of frustration. I'm still ready to keep fighting though

[GONYK]

I don't think saying "Bernie would have won as long as the vote was split 8 ways and it was unfair to ask him to get over 50% of the vote in a 2 person race" is a convincing one that he is what the people wanted.

Everyone dropped out, and the choice was clear to the voter. Biden or Bernie.

The people chose Biden.

[EricAnderson]

Have the few magas in here taken their medicine yet and admitted Trump lost or are they crying that it’s rigged?

[Fury]

Have the few magas in here taken their medicine yet and admitted Trump lost or are they crying that it’s rigged?

Maybe if you weren't SO MEAN TRUMP WOULD'VE WON!!!

[rammagen]

is anyone else enjoying the twitter meltdown of the trump supporters. I have seen of the most stupid statements ever like I am moving to Hawaii so I dont have to live under Biden or one Redneck says he is going to Puerto Rico because he hates Biden? how the f&*^ can you be allowed to vote if you do not know what is American soil?
I cant tell if they want to count votes or stop counting either. I am so confused and I guess this is how the cult of trump works they confuse people who cant use logic and beat them down to their level

I'll take some highlights if you want to post them.

I missed the ones from yesterday have not had a chance to really dig and see them today. I think it should deserve it's own thread for those of us that had to deal with the trumpers over the previous threads

[robillionaire]

I don't think saying "Bernie would have won as long as the vote was split 8 ways and it was unfair to ask him to get over 50% of the vote in a 2 person race" is a convincing one that he is what the people wanted.

Everyone dropped out, and the choice was clear to the voter. Biden or Bernie.

The people chose Biden.

well the everyone that dropped out endorsing biden probably helped push that a little too. if this thing was always bernie and biden head to head from day 1 I don't think it goes down the way it did, at all

[robillionaire]

Have the few magas in here taken their medicine yet and admitted Trump lost or are they crying that it’s rigged?

crying and saying that it's rigged, hoping for a judicial coup

also start calling him president elect biden at this point

[GONYK]

I don't think saying "Bernie would have won as long as the vote was split 8 ways and it was unfair to ask him to get over 50% of the vote in a 2 person race" is a convincing one that he is what the people wanted.

Everyone dropped out, and the choice was clear to the voter. Biden or Bernie.

The people chose Biden.

well the everyone that dropped out endorsing biden probably helped push that a little too. if this thing was always bernie and biden head to head from day 1 I don't think it goes down the way it did, at all

Maybe.

I'm not so sure. Mainly because of the older black vote. I don't think Bernie ever won them over.

[frothbrain]

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Hopefully whoever comes out of this election will put forth new standardized process for federal elections.

[GONYK]

Have the few magas in here taken their medicine yet and admitted Trump lost or are they crying that it’s rigged?

crying and saying that it's rigged, hoping for a judicial coup

also start calling him president elect biden at this point

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[robillionaire]

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[Jeffrey]

Here's the other side of examining the failures of the Democratic party down ballot...

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AOC very succinctly touching upon some of my complaints and adding more information and context to everything. The wildest part is how the DCCC didn't hire the best digital firms out of spite over helping progressive campaigns. They made that threat though I didn't think they'd follow through with it to the point of shooting themselves in the foot; I do admit that I have to take a closer look at that part though to verify...it does fit with what they said they'd be doing though.

And I hope she becomes NY senator soon. She gets it unfortunately Fox News knew how good she is and will make sure she is hateable like Hillary Clinton.

[Knick4Real]

[frothbrain]

I don't think saying "Bernie would have won as long as the vote was split 8 ways and it was unfair to ask him to get over 50% of the vote in a 2 person race" is a convincing one that he is what the people wanted.

Everyone dropped out, and the choice was clear to the voter. Biden or Bernie.

The people chose Biden.

well the everyone that dropped out endorsing biden probably helped push that a little too. if this thing was always bernie and biden head to head from day 1 I don't think it goes down the way it did, at all

Maybe.

I'm not so sure. Mainly because of the older black vote. I don't think Bernie ever won them over.

Bernie could never win that vote because it's organized by church leaders who get their congregation to vote as directed, and most effectively this year via canvassing and harvesting mail in ballots through the church hierarchy.
One of Biden's best campaign tactics is his network($$$) with black leadership, which he employed successfully in the primaries and the general election.
Biden beat Bernie with a fraction of the campaign funding because he actually has the full support of the DNC and their experienced campaign staff behind him. General election was a different story regarding funding, but the voting demographics show a similar story.

[frothbrain]

well the everyone that dropped out endorsing biden probably helped push that a little too. if this thing was always bernie and biden head to head from day 1 I don't think it goes down the way it did, at all

Maybe.

I'm not so sure. Mainly because of the older black vote. I don't think Bernie ever won them over.