Miami Heat Speculation Thread - 2020 and beyond...

[Kobewade11]

Half-truths? Where's the lie?

Tchuuuuuirps... Come on RBR: are you saying Giannis is at no fault? Every time we play them our entire defensive strategy is attacking him

How many superstars with #1 seeded teams are we letting off the hook for not getting to the finals? It's not his fault that he almost got swept by a lower seeded team, if not for his B-squad? Y'all faking the funk for no reason. He had a good supporting cast, he had good shooters-- he's just easy to game plan against for a decent defensive team

Not saying he’s not at fault at all, but you’re making my point. Our entire defensive strategy was loading up on Giannis because we know they dont have anyone else that can beat us. Middleton is a faux “star”, the worst kind of co-star to have in the playoffs because he comes and goes. Same strategy the Lakers employed against Houston, loaded up on your boy Harden because they knew his co-star was too much of a knucklehead to carry the burden.

[twix2500]

I will be really surprised if the Heat do not make a trade before the season starts.

Oladipo
Holiday
Aldridge
Derozan
Mystery Meat

I think we should put a pole up which player will likely be a Heat on Dec 22nd

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[twix2500]

If Giannis signs an extension i have a feeling Heat will close a deal for Jrue.

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[Bishop45]

Half-truths? Where's the lie?

Tchuuuuuirps... Come on RBR: are you saying Giannis is at no fault? Every time we play them our entire defensive strategy is attacking him

How many superstars with #1 seeded teams are we letting off the hook for not getting to the finals? It's not his fault that he almost got swept by a lower seeded team, if not for his B-squad? Y'all faking the funk for no reason. He had a good supporting cast, he had good shooters-- he's just easy to game plan against for a decent defensive team

Not saying he’s not at fault at all, but you’re making my point. Our entire defensive strategy was loading up on Giannis because we know they dont have anyone else that can beat us. Middleton is a faux “star”, the worst kind of co-star to have in the playoffs because he comes and goes. Same strategy the Lakers employed against Houston, loaded up on your boy Harden because they knew his co-star was too much of a knucklehead to carry the burden.

Middleton's a better co-star than anyone on our team outside of Jimmy. Giannis has a good supporting cast, Harden didn't-- Harden lost to a better squad, Giannis lost to a lesser team... Again.

Comparing Houston and Milwaukee's supporting cast is such a bad false equivalency that I don't know where to start. Pls, where is the lie?

[twix2500]

We have Duncan's bird rights I believe, so we can go over the salary cap to resign him, retaining him would be a non-issue

It would be, if Duncan can get an extremely high offer somewhere else. 3 max contracts and then Duncan who might get 20 plus mill per. Is that feasible especially he will be playing a lesser role with Giannis added to the roster? Its may cause a problem like Philly. Paying Horford all that money when Embiid is taking his usage a away.

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Good point but I still think you gotta do it Twix, I believe that Duncan's role actually increases if you get Giannis because you need shooters around him. The Philly situation is different, because that was not a wise allocation of funds when Horford is pretty redundant for them.

Adding Giannis is a 19.2 shots a game player. Who giving up there shot attemps to Giannis? I doubt Butler. Bam maybe? Is Duncan going to get the amount of attempts playing with Bam, Butler and Giannis?

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[Kobewade11]

Middleton's a better co-star than anyone on our team outside of Jimmy. Giannis has a good supporting cast, Harden didn't-- Harden lost to a better squad, Giannis lost to a lesser team... Again.

Comparing Houston and Milwaukee's supporting cast is such a bad false equivalency that I don't know where to start. Pls, where is the lie?

Again, you’re not seeing the whole picture. Regular season is one thing, Giannis may be the most talented player on the floor but the sum of our pieces is greater than the sum of theirs. Saying we’re the lesser team when we manhandled them head to head all year is a misrepresentation. The championship formula over the last decade has been simple: two guys that are going to get their own every night (LA, Cleveland, GSW), or star(s) with elite role players (Heatles to a degree, GS again, Toronto). Does anybody really consider Middleton a championship second in command? Do we look at Matthews, Lopez, Korver caliber players as an elite core or guys that benefit from playing with an elite player?

[Bishop45]

Middleton's a better co-star than anyone on our team outside of Jimmy. Giannis has a good supporting cast, Harden didn't-- Harden lost to a better squad, Giannis lost to a lesser team... Again.

Comparing Houston and Milwaukee's supporting cast is such a bad false equivalency that I don't know where to start. Pls, where is the lie?

Again, you’re not seeing the whole picture. Regular season is one thing, Giannis may be the most talented player on the floor but the sum of our pieces is greater than the sum of theirs. Saying we’re the lesser team when we manhandled them head to head all year is a misrepresentation. The championship formula over the last decade has been simple: two guys that are going to get their own every night (LA, Cleveland, GSW), or star(s) with elite role players (Heatles to a degree, GS again, Toronto). Does anybody really consider Middleton a championship second in command? Do we look at Matthews, Lopez, Korver caliber players as an elite core or guys that benefit from playing with an elite player?

Is this truly the mountain you guys are choosing to die on?

Middleton shouldn't have to be a "championship second-in-command" for the reigning MVP and #1 seed not to get swept in the playoffs. Giannis had help, he just wasn't enough

Yes, we were the lesser team. Lesser in talent and playoff experience-- y'all want it to be one way, but it's the other way

[Kobewade11]

We’ll agree to disagree

[greg4012]

It would be, if Duncan can get an extremely high offer somewhere else. 3 max contracts and then Duncan who might get 20 plus mill per. Is that feasible especially he will be playing a lesser role with Giannis added to the roster? Its may cause a problem like Philly. Paying Horford all that money when Embiid is taking his usage a away.

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Good point but I still think you gotta do it Twix, I believe that Duncan's role actually increases if you get Giannis because you need shooters around him. The Philly situation is different, because that was not a wise allocation of funds when Horford is pretty redundant for them.

Adding Giannis is a 19.2 shots a game player. Who giving up there shot attemps to Giannis? I doubt Butler. Bam maybe? Is Duncan going to get the amount of attempts playing with Bam, Butler and Giannis?

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Why do you doubt Butler? Butler seems to WANT to give up his shots most of the time

[AirP.]

Good point but I still think you gotta do it Twix, I believe that Duncan's role actually increases if you get Giannis because you need shooters around him. The Philly situation is different, because that was not a wise allocation of funds when Horford is pretty redundant for them.

Adding Giannis is a 19.2 shots a game player. Who giving up there shot attemps to Giannis? I doubt Butler. Bam maybe? Is Duncan going to get the amount of attempts playing with Bam, Butler and Giannis?

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Why do you doubt Butler? Butler seems to WANT to give up his shots most of the time

Butler and the current Giannis game work much like Butler and Embiid would have, Butler lets the other guy score most of the game and when it comes down to teams ramping up their defense in the 4th, Butler's triple threat ability is much better than a dominate near the basket scorer like Embiid or even Giannis. Basically any team will be happy to pack the lane and allow Embiid or Giannis try to beat them with their outside shots.

[AirP.]

So the 5 on the floor podcast has mentioned a package headlined by Olynyk and Iggy for Aldrdige(1 year left), they also mentioned some of Butler's friends in FA may take less to join up with Miami. One of those friends could be a free agent if he opts out named DeRozen. Also mentioned Crowder may take less to stay in Miami since he's been trying to get there and is also one of Butler's friends.

So if you can get Aldridge, sign DeRozen for below his market value for a few years, retain Crowder and probably retain Dragic, this team is set and should if needs to do a sign and trade or just get rid of salary to straight up sign Giannis.

A core of Butler, Bam, DeRozen, Aldridge, Herro, Robinson, Crowder and Dragic sounds like a championship contender to me, they seem to be trying to get Matthews(who has a player option) to join them also.

They also mentioned P.Milsap as a possible FA.
Here's the video of the podcast.

Watch on YouTube

[twix2500]

https://youtu.be/ZWBuyLHHs0A

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[greg4012]

https://youtu.be/ZWBuyLHHs0A

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Looking like the love child of Danny Green and Duncan Robinson as a prospect. We could make very good use of him

[Beenie]

I will be really surprised if the Heat do not make a trade before the season starts.

Oladipo
Holiday
Aldridge
Derozan
Mystery Meat

I think we should put a pole up which player will likely be a Heat on Dec 22nd

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That last five on the floor pod compelled me to think it's Aldridge. They never specially stated what it would take from the Spurs' POV, though.

[RonaldSeikaly]

I will be really surprised if the Heat do not make a trade before the season starts.

Oladipo
Holiday
Aldridge
Derozan
Mystery Meat

I think we should put a pole up which player will likely be a Heat on Dec 22nd

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That last five on the floor pod compelled me to think it's Aldridge. They never specially stated what it would take from the Spurs' POV, though.

The package they hinted at was our 1st, iggy, olynk, and maybe silva.....not nunn.


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[Beenie]

I will be really surprised if the Heat do not make a trade before the season starts.

Oladipo
Holiday
Aldridge
Derozan
Mystery Meat

I think we should put a pole up which player will likely be a Heat on Dec 22nd

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That last five on the floor pod compelled me to think it's Aldridge. They never specially stated what it would take from the Spurs' POV, though.

The package they hinted at was our 1st, iggy, olynk, and maybe silva.....not nunn.


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I must have missed that part. Thanks.

If it's legit that SA would accept that package then it's a no brainer for me.

I wonder though If Mia has set their sights on the same package being offered for any other players.

[RonaldSeikaly]

That last five on the floor pod compelled me to think it's Aldridge. They never specially stated what it would take from the Spurs' POV, though.

The package they hinted at was our 1st, iggy, olynk, and maybe silva.....not nunn.


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I must have missed that part. Thanks.

If it's legit that SA would accept that package then it's a no brainer for me.

I wonder though If Mia has set their sights on the same package being offered for any other players.

It was more pure speculation of what a package could look like. i remember just being surprised silva had any trade value.


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[BenoUdrihFTL]

Want nothing to do with surrendering assets for Holiday. Love him as a player but he would not come cheap and we have other options

Would still love a sign/trade for Ibaka and Lowry if we can still keep cap room for Giannis (iirc it's possible)

If we strike out on Ibaka/Lowry, I'm warming to the idea of Dipo if he can be had for something like Nunn/KO/FRP. Dipo + a guy like Nerlens Noel would address some of our greatest weaknesses and give us another season of title contention before going whale hunting in 2021. Fun fact: if we acquire Dipo we'd have 3 Most Improved Player award winners (Dipo, Yimmy, Gogi). I feel like that would be so befitting of Heat culture lol. And Dipo himself doesn't even have to be a whale caliber addition for him to work for us given the right transaction

Regardless I think Riles brings back Gogi and Jae without compromising our 2021 cap space

[Beenie]

Want nothing to do with surrendering assets for Holiday. Love him as a player but he would not come cheap and we have other options

Would still love a sign/trade for Ibaka and Lowry if we can still keep cap room for Giannis (iirc it's possible)

If we strike out on Ibaka/Lowry, I'm warming to the idea of Dipo if he can be had for something like Nunn/KO/FRP. Dipo + a guy like Nerlens Noel would address some of our greatest weaknesses and give us another season of title contention before going whale hunting in 2021. Fun fact: if we acquire Dipo we'd have 3 Most Improved Player award winners (Dipo, Yimmy, Gogi). I feel like that would be so befitting of Heat culture lol. And Dipo himself doesn't even have to be a whale caliber addition for him to work for us given the right transaction

Regardless I think Riles brings back Gogi and Jae without compromising our 2021 cap space

Lowry has a bigger contract than Holiday and the Raptors might very well want the same kind of assets that would be required to land Holiday. Is it that you just prefer Lowry over Holiday?

[Miami590]

Aldridge Is an interesting option. I don’t think I would trade for him though because I think that there’s a high possibility of him getting a buy-out later in the season.

We could easily get him or Derozan if we want by simply giving up KO, Iggy and our #20 pick.